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If, like me, you live in the UK, you may not have heard JS on this morning. Here is a link to a summary.


http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201303 ... -Radio-KJR

I was interested to see him talking about the restructuring and people wanting to be paid like the best paid in their positions. I wondered if he was meaning Kam might be asking for the earth in negotiations. Who knows?!


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I heard it this morning. He had some interesting things to say. He did say they were working on some extensions like they did last year. On a related note, Laron Landry signed a 4 year, $24 million dollar deal this offseason. That seems like a pretty reasonable figure for Kam. I hope he does not expect Dashon Goldson money. If so, its likely bye bye as much as that would suck.


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With all these young guys who are going to need to get paid soon I really hope Kam is near the bottom of the priority list. Nothing personal but I feel like the system helps him more than he helps the system. I'd love to keep everybody but of all the guys with contracts expiring in the next 1-2 years, I'd take a harder line with Kam in what we're willing to pay him. Goldson-like money would be insane, in my opinion.


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I heard it this morning. He had some interesting things to say. He did say they were working on some extensions like they did last year. On a related note, Laron Landry signed a 4 year, $24 million dollar deal this offseason. That seems like a pretty reasonable figure for Kam. I hope he does not expect Dashon Goldson money. If so, its likely bye bye as much as that would suck.


Kam tweeted yesterday that he had "a very long day at the VMAC"......not sure what to read into that. Is that a good thing, or bad thing?

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I like Kam. He is also the most expendable guy in the legion, though Jeremy Lane may make the same true for Browner.

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I like Kam. He is also the most expendable guy in the legion, though Jeremy Lane may make the same true for Browner.


Browner is definitely the most expendable imo (especially considering his age)


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I like Kam. He is also the most expendable guy in the legion, though Jeremy Lane may make the same true for Browner.


Agreed and agreed.

My hunch is neither Browner nor Kam will see extensions here. Unless they're reasonable.


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My hunch is neither Browner nor Kam will see extensions here. Unless they're reasonable.


It'll be interesting to see how these two contract negotiations play out. Much like Flynn, Kam and Browner's value might be more here than elsewhere.

Personally I see the Legion of Boom as ONE cohesive unit that presses, hits and uses their size to intimidate and frustrate timing. Would either Kam or Browner be as successful or productive on another team? Hard to tell, but I'd say no.

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The grass is most often not greener. Kam is a strong safety, not supposed to be a lock down cover guy but a guy who can play heavy run support and deliver the boom ala V. Davis hit. Browner is long, fast and nasty, a perfect compliment to Sherman. They bring unique qualities not often found at their position, and something that PC and JS value...highly: uniqueness. Both will be here until someone beats them, which hasn't happened.


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Sgt. Largent wrote:
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I heard it this morning. He had some interesting things to say. He did say they were working on some extensions like they did last year. On a related note, Laron Landry signed a 4 year, $24 million dollar deal this offseason. That seems like a pretty reasonable figure for Kam. I hope he does not expect Dashon Goldson money. If so, its likely bye bye as much as that would suck.


Kam tweeted yesterday that he had "a very long day at the VMAC"......not sure what to read into that. Is that a good thing, or bad thing?


Negotiations are almost always done WITHOUT the player being present. It's more likely that he was at the VMAC rehabbing from his offseason surgery. His agent and the FO will take care of the number crunching until it gets close to where the agent believes Kam should be valued at.

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The good thing in all this is players in the final year of their contract play lights out, especially younger players (and of course older hungry vets). This will be good for us this season, and all we can hope is the core of the team remains intact in 2014. But as with all teams the cap will catch up if the FO is slacking. Which JS will not let happen.

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http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks ... more-17147

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While unwilling to give specifics, Schneider said the team is working on a couple extensions on core players set to the hit the market in 2014


Players on their last year and will become unrestricted.

Breno Giacomini
3,500,000

Paul McQuistan
3,000,000

Michael Bennett
3,000,000

Michael Robinson
2,500,000

Clint Gresham
1,323,000

Kam Chancellor
1,323,000

Will Blackmon
715,000

Walter Thurmond
630,000

Anthony McCoy
630,000

Golden Tate
630,000

Dexter Davis
630,000

Lemuel Jeanpierre
555,000

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Kam Chancellor is one of my favorite Seahawks. In fact, the minute they drafted him I was just hoping he would succeed (not just because of the normal feelings when we draft a player, but because at his size it would just be awesome).

That being said, He reminds me of the situation with Roy Williams (safety for the Cowboys). It seemed like his star faded so fast.

I believe that Chancellor can excel in a particular role, the role of enforcer. He is athletic enough not to get embarrassed in coverage. I just agree with everyone that he is more replaceable than Sherman and Thomas. You could put a guy back there with a different set of strengths and tweak the D and be just as successful.

I hope that he remains a Seahawk. I love the way our back end is constructed, so that is definitely my vote, but he's not the guy I would break the bank over. IMO, YMMV, and suchlike, lol...


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twisted_steel2 wrote:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/03/26/john-schneider-on-kjr-michael-bennett-has-torn-rotator-cuff-but-will-not-have-surgery/#more-17147

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While unwilling to give specifics, Schneider said the team is working on a couple extensions on core players set to the hit the market in 2014


Players on their last year and will become unrestricted.

Breno Giacomini
3,500,000

Paul McQuistan
3,000,000

Michael Bennett
3,000,000

Michael Robinson
2,500,000

Clint Gresham
1,323,000

Kam Chancellor
1,323,000

Will Blackmon
715,000

Walter Thurmond
630,000

Anthony McCoy
630,000

Golden Tate
630,000

Dexter Davis
630,000

Lemuel Jeanpierre
555,000


Chris Maragos, Clinton McDonald.


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I think Kam's the most expendable. He is the "Alex Smith" of our secondary in that he plays at a high level largely because he is enabled by his surroundings. Browner is a similar story, but quite frankly Browner has been better the last two years, and he's got two cheap years left (RFA in 2014) compared to just one for Chancellor (UFA in 2014). I feel like in the box safety is more "plug and play" than a starting corner is. Pete's been pretty successful with guys like Lane and Maxwell, but Browner was a homerun and finding good 6'4" 220 corners is a lot harder than finding a good strong safety that doesn't even need to have great speed.

I love Chancellor and would hate to see him go, but I think I'd rather watch him walk and replace him in the draft than watch the team hand him $6-8 million dollars a year.

Edit: Isn't it interesting that JS waits until a month before the 2013 draft before trying to lock up Chancellor? I just realized the obvious. If talks stall and don't work the way JS wants to, he can draft a strong safety in the 2013 draft and be prepared for losing Chancellor in 2014. It would also give him added leverage in further extensions that occur down the road with Chancellor.


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Kam Chancellor causes drops and knocks dudes out. Possibly the most feared safety in the league at present. We have the perfect compliment in Earl. Pay the man.

I don't think Browner gets huge money on the open market, and I also think he is essential to what we do. If the money isn't crazy, pay that man as well.

These two guys are two of the main reasons we're an intimidating defense. It is hard to picture us being so bad-arsed without them.

Besides QB, the secondary is the most common link between championship teams. And we have the best one in the NFL. Lets keep it that way. Pay Okung, Percy, Lynch, Wilson, and the secondary, maybe a d-lineman. Plug and play everywhere else. The secondary is too important, and I don't think we're talking huge money for either one of them. They're both incredibly unique. There aren't other players out there like them, and PC and JS brought them in for a reason, and they're fulfilling that reason. They're a huge part of our identity, our bullies. If it costs us KJ Wright, Golden Tate, Zach Miller and Sidney Rice, and adding additional pieces in the next few years, I'm comfortable with that.

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twisted_steel2 wrote:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/03/26/john-schneider-on-kjr-michael-bennett-has-torn-rotator-cuff-but-will-not-have-surgery/#more-17147

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While unwilling to give specifics, Schneider said the team is working on a couple extensions on core players set to the hit the market in 2014


Players on their last year and will become unrestricted.

Breno Giacomini
3,500,000

Paul McQuistan
3,000,000

Michael Bennett
3,000,000

Michael Robinson
2,500,000

Clint Gresham
1,323,000

Kam Chancellor
1,323,000

Will Blackmon
715,000

Walter Thurmond
630,000

Anthony McCoy
630,000

Golden Tate
630,000

Dexter Davis
630,000

Lemuel Jeanpierre
555,000


Chris Maragos, Clinton McDonald.


They're restricted free agents.

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I hope Kam settle's for Landry $$, he is not worht Goldson money to me and could be replaced. To me he is the most likely to get overpaid of all the LOB, I don't think Earl or Sherman would be overpaid if they got paid #1 for their position $, and Browner is older so won't get much on the market.

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Kam Chancellor is one of my favorite Seahawks. In fact, the minute they drafted him I was just hoping he would succeed (not just because of the normal feelings when we draft a player, but because at his size it would just be awesome).

That being said, He reminds me of the situation with Roy Williams (safety for the Cowboys). It seemed like his star faded so fast.

I believe that Chancellor can excel in a particular role, the role of enforcer. He is athletic enough not to get embarrassed in coverage. I just agree with everyone that he is more replaceable than Sherman and Thomas. You could put a guy back there with a different set of strengths and tweak the D and be just as successful.

I hope that he remains a Seahawk. I love the way our back end is constructed, so that is definitely my vote, but he's not the guy I would break the bank over. IMO, YMMV, and suchlike, lol...


I think an example closer to home would be Michael Bouleware (sp?) remember how good of a strong safety he was his 2nd year with the club, when they went to the super bowl? Only for his play to fall off and be out of football after 4 years. Hopefully Kam won't be like this. I also agree he and Browner are most replaceable.


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Agréé with Kearly. I don't think that people appreciate Browner enough though with Shermans emergence. Browner is a phenomenal defensive player and great at forcing fumbles. His play against Cam Newton and the toss to the running back was amazing. Then there was the FF against Green Bay almost won the game before the hail mary.

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Edit: Isn't it interesting that JS waits until a month before the 2013 draft before trying to lock up Chancellor? I just realized the obvious. If talks stall and don't work the way JS wants to, he can draft a strong safety in the 2013 draft and be prepared for losing Chancellor in 2014. It would also give him added leverage in further extensions that occur down the road with Chancellor.


I wouldn't read to much into that. It's understandable that the first priority was to shore up roster deficiencies. Including temporary replacement of Clemons. That requires that you don't know what your cap situation is until after UFA signings (which start like 7 weeks before the draft). I wouldn't have expected them to even begin negotiations until after the league year started. Simply because they needed cap flexibility as there was no telling what the market would be going into it.

Remember too, we could well have been looking at signing Henry Melton or Randy Starks at essentially Percy Harvin dollars. I can't imagine we would have hogtied those potential deals by locking up Chancellor first.

The timing is convenient for us no doubt. But I think it's just merely coincidence. In fact, I think that there was a fair bit of unexpected surprise at having money left over due to an unexpectedly weak market.

Truth be told, other than real franchise cornerstones (Thomas/Okung/Wilson), I would expect extensions to come after the UFA period in almost every offseason. You always want to have the flexibility to make a move on a guy if the market/price is to your advantage. Extensions reduce a teams' ability to make those kinds of moves. I can't envision this FO giving up that avenue to improve our team for essentially no reason.

EDIT: I guess I just realized the obvious too. Maybe the timing of the UFA/league year start isn't so coincidental after all. But a way to put teams at a position of advantage in the renegotiation period.


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I wouldn't read to much into that. It's understandable that the first priority was to shore up roster deficiencies. Including temporary replacement of Clemons. That requires that you don't know what your cap situation is until after UFA signings (which start like 7 weeks before the draft). I wouldn't have expected them to even begin negotiations until after the league year started. Simply because they needed cap flexibility as there was no telling what the market would be going into it.

Remember too, we could well have been looking at signing Henry Melton or Randy Starks at essentially Percy Harvin dollars. I can't imagine we would have hogtied those potential deals by locking up Chancellor first.

The timing is convenient for us no doubt. But I think it's just merely coincidence. In fact, I think that there was a fair bit of unexpected surprise at having money left over due to an unexpectedly weak market.

Truth be told, other than real franchise cornerstones (Thomas/Okung/Wilson), I would expect extensions to come after the UFA period in almost every offseason. You always want to have the flexibility to make a move on a guy if the market/price is to your advantage. Extensions reduce a teams' ability to make those kinds of moves. I can't envision this FO giving up that avenue to improve our team for essentially no reason.

EDIT: I guess I just realized the obvious too. Maybe the timing of the UFA/league year start isn't so coincidental after all. But a way to put teams at a position of advantage in the renegotiation period.


I couldn't agree more. I think / hope that PC and JS value Kam more than most here. As someone mentioned in another thread, where they happened to run into Kam somewhere - the extension has been SLOWLY in the works for a while. I see him getting locked up. He might be the most expendable in our backfield, but that's not saying much at all. We're talking about 3 other guys who are Pro Bowlers and 2 All Pro caliber players. This, to me is the perfect time to lock Kam up, and I think JS knows it. Yes, he had a down year of sorts but if the front office believes he's capable of rebounding, or better yet improving on his 2011 year, then this is the perfect time to sign him because his stock is down, just a bit.

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Seattle only has one real good reason to do this deal now, a discount on a 4 or 5 year deal in exchange for giving up the one cheap season Kam still has left. If Kam wants a Goldson deal, Seattle should just let him play out, franchise him for a season, and find his replacement over those two seasons.

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Adding onto Scott's point, it may involve a rather large discount because a lot can happen over an entire season. We will be picking multiple safeties over the next two drafts, and one of them may be able to play the enforcer role for less than 1 million per season. Kam may not be able to stay healthy.

The guaranteed money on a longer deal would be enough to set Kam up for life and is preferable to many players over taking a risk for even more money in the future. That big second contract future never happens for most players. Sometimes they get injured, but more often they lose the competition to new hungry rookies who will be playing for a fraction of what it costs to sign an aging veteran.

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Players on their last year and will become unrestricted.

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They're restricted free agents.


Restricted this year. Meaning unrestricted next year.

I wonder if Taylor Mays would consider coming to Seattle on a 2 year deal? Yes, I know what Mays said after Pete Carroll passed him up in the draft but hear me out.

He hasn't been successful without Pete and that was 4 years ago. Carroll used him a lot like Chancellor when he was at USC. Same size and similar skill set. Mays would sign for a fraction of what Chancellor will get. He and his agent couldn't ask for a better situation. Come in and prove yourself, chance to start, resurrect his career, winning team, make pro bowls, and set himself up for one big pay day before he gets old. He'd get to get back at the 49ers 2-3 times a year. He's on the last year of his deal and if he gets cut he would be an ideal back up for a season or free agent next year. He plays special teams and I doubt he would rule out Seattle considering what we could offer vs. what he's going to command in the open market.

I also agree with others that think Chancellor is the most expendable and I could envision a 3 time All American like Mays doing just as well as Chancellor in our system. Its a unique system that Mays flourished in.


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With the way browner hustles to make tackles and strips balls from defenders and then just plays well at his position id say keep him
kam hits hard but the way these guys draft I don't think they're even worried about it
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Kam is the most expendable. He also missed the most assignments in coverage last year. I love his physicality, but Browner has made more impact plays, and is more assignment correct than Chancellor. Also, Browner is at his best just erasing his guy. You won't hear a lot of Browner's name called in a game, but you won't hear his WR's name called either. That's why people think Browner is so expendable. Look at how many INT's Browner had his first year, then look at last year. People went after Sherman and not Browner, and Sherm got all the picks.

The FO was VERY high on Winston Guy at the beginning of last year. In TC and the preseason, he was creating lots of buzz. He was playing at the end of the Atlanta game in the playoffs, and not Chancellor which says something. Gonzalez had a perfect catch on Guy, but Guy had incredible coverage on that play. If Ryn was a few inches off on that throw, it's incomplete. We may already have Kam's replacement on the roster.


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If the deal can't get done when the time is right (sometime between now and next year) - you will promote from within - whether that's Guy or someone through the draft. Nice thing is Chancellor is making good money this year and will essentially be auditioning for his next contract and/or his next team depending on negotiations. Worst case scenario we have him for 1 season - possibly two with a franchise tag. Best case we continue to evaluate and compete in the ranks and somebody else comes up and plays better - worst case, he's gone after one year.

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twisted_steel2 wrote:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/03/26/john-schneider-on-kjr-michael-bennett-has-torn-rotator-cuff-but-will-not-have-surgery/#more-17147

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While unwilling to give specifics, Schneider said the team is working on a couple extensions on core players set to the hit the market in 2014


Players on their last year and will become unrestricted.

Breno Giacomini
3,500,000

Paul McQuistan
3,000,000

Michael Bennett
3,000,000

Michael Robinson
2,500,000

Clint Gresham
1,323,000

Kam Chancellor
1,323,000

Will Blackmon
715,000

Walter Thurmond
630,000

Anthony McCoy
630,000

Golden Tate
630,000

Dexter Davis
630,000

Lemuel Jeanpierre
555,000

Didn't Clint Gresham get extended very recently (maybe after twisted posted this)?

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Cause Fullbacks don't get paid what starting NFL lineman do.

Why is the long snapper making 1.3million- holy sheep shit that is disturbing.

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Hawks46 wrote:
Kam is the most expendable. He also missed the most assignments in coverage last year. I love his physicality, but Browner has made more impact plays, and is more assignment correct than Chancellor. Also, Browner is at his best just erasing his guy. You won't hear a lot of Browner's name called in a game, but you won't hear his WR's name called either. That's why people think Browner is so expendable. Look at how many INT's Browner had his first year, then look at last year. People went after Sherman and not Browner, and Sherm got all the picks.

The FO was VERY high on Winston Guy at the beginning of last year. In TC and the preseason, he was creating lots of buzz. He was playing at the end of the Atlanta game in the playoffs, and not Chancellor which says something. Gonzalez had a perfect catch on Guy, but Guy had incredible coverage on that play. If Ryn was a few inches off on that throw, it's incomplete. We may already have Kam's replacement on the roster.


Winston Guy is Chancelor's replacement? This scares me. It really does!

Winston Guy had a very rough rookie year once the season started. Too many negative plays in his four regular season appearances ....... three of which resulted in loses. I thought the guy was a buzz kill. He doesn't look like a starter to me. In fact, he looks to have a lot to get his arms around before he can earn more playing time.


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