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I've thought about all the intangibles he could bring, and the willingness to take a pay-cut or to play second-fiddle, but we ask our LB's to work special teams also. I'm sorry, but I just can't find enough tangibles that put BU onto the team in anything other than simply the backup role Pe suggests. Can we afford to (or have the luxury to) have an aging vet that has limited contribution potential pocketing some of our team's cash?

If anything, he would bring the experience, attitude, and just plain football knowledge necessary to eliminate a good portion of those plays that we say, "well, they got us on that one". The ones when that one or two guys guess wrong on that playaction and a back gets into the secondary for a first. He's got to have good discipline on the practice field as well.

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Could he replace Hill?


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He WAS one of the best Tampa2 dropper LBers ever. He is now just old,slow,can't change direction or stay healthy who wants to be paid based on his reputation. Did anyone really think Ray looked good last year in the playoffs/SB? I thought he was a liability most of the time. Give me Alan Branch back for the money it would require to get a washed up player who would end up being a backup or hurt.

Yeah, FO must be totally wrong about urlacher being one of the top 10 LBers at stopping the run and everyone who says he's too slow must be right.

Cuz Golden Tate getting run down 40 yards downfield is a sure sign of an aging LBer with bad knees. :roll:

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He is the definition of old and slow and we have a budding superstar second year player at his position...I just can't see it


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Can Urlacher grow dreads? Can someone dig up stats on this?


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You know which team is in the best position to know how effective Urlacher still is? The Chicago Bears.


To be fair, the Bears did offer him a contract. A contract that was twice as much as the minimum. It will probably end up being the biggest contract Urlacher is offered this offseason. He made a mistake turning it down, IMO.



Don't remember for sure but didn't the Bears offer him $2 million and he wanted $2.5 million? I thought at the time I read it seemed pretty silly to be steamed over half a million bucks at this point in his career.

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What I heard he wanted 2 years @ 12 million or 6 million a year. The Bears offered 2.5 million for 1 year. Urlacher got butt-hurt and started crying to the media. He's acting like a cry-baby with all his complaining. Under NO circumstances would I want him in SEattle.


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Would he be any slower than Hawthorne?

If he's willing to be a depth guy, what's the harm? He could always be traded to the Saints during camp too.


You don't pay 3-4 million for a "depth guy". If he rejected 2.5 from the Bears than he's sure to cost 3-5 million to us. There's no logic to bring in a backup or 2 down player for that money. Considering you can roll your cap numbers into the following year. Why use that cap space now when you'll need it next year to extend some of our other players.


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Urlacher came in to last season from an injury and wasn't ready to go. He was still on pace for 90 tackles with 102 the year before. He had two forced fumbles and recoveries and one interception.

I am not ready to call the guy done yet but if PERCEPTION is that he is old and slow then of course he must be..........

Him starting at 2 years $12 million isn't really a big deal of course you start big and see what comes back. He didn't cry to the media until afterwards and his complaint was that he was told there would be negotiations and he supposedly was given one number and that didn't change period.

If he wants to play here and the people that knows wants him then I am sure he can contribute. We shall see....


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He WAS one of the best Tampa2 dropper LBers ever. He is now just old,slow,can't change direction or stay healthy who wants to be paid based on his reputation. Did anyone really think Ray looked good last year in the playoffs/SB? I thought he was a liability most of the time. Give me Alan Branch back for the money it would require to get a washed up player who would end up being a backup or hurt.

Yeah, FO must be totally wrong about urlacher being one of the top 10 LBers at stopping the run and everyone who says he's too slow must be right.

Cuz Golden Tate getting run down 40 yards downfield is a sure sign of an aging LBer with bad knees. :roll:


Please, it wasn't like Urlacher out-sprinted Tate. Tate had to make the catch jump over the defender and then put a nasty juke move on the 2nd defender- bringing him nearly to a stop and then started to accelerate again. All the while Urlacher was running at full speed. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he caught him.

If we looked at the production, Health concerns, and age and lets say his name instead of being Urlacher was John Smith, would you be fired up to sign him for 3-5 million? I would imagine that would be a resounding NO by nearly everyone on here. But because it's Brian Urlacher people like the idea. Makes no sense to me. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability in 2013.


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Urlacher came in to last season from an injury and wasn't ready to go. He was still on pace for 90 tackles with 102 the year before. He had two forced fumbles and recoveries and one interception.

I am not ready to call the guy done yet but if PERCEPTION is that he is old and slow then of course he must be..........

Him starting at 2 years $12 million isn't really a big deal of course you start big and see what comes back. He didn't cry to the media until afterwards and his complaint was that he was told there would be negotiations and he supposedly was given one number and that didn't change period.

If he wants to play here and the people that knows wants him then I am sure he can contribute. We shall see....


He's done ALOT of crying since his release. I don't want him.


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Is Urlacher, Wright and Wagner a better trio then Hill, Wright and Wagner? methinks so. Assuming the price is cheap I say do it !

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My point is simply that Bears have vastly more information about Urlacher than you (or I) do. If they thought he was still elite they would certainly have been willing to talk about the $5.5 number, especially when Urlacher has said he was expecting to work down from that. I would have no problem with the Seahawks signing him, but fan expectations should be set by the Bears willing to pay him $2 million and not by pie in the sky wishes. If FO's limited statistics disagree with the Bears your first thought should be "I guess FO still has some tweaking to do" not "Looks like the Bears are stupid."

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Don't remember for sure but didn't the Bears offer him $2 million and he wanted $2.5 million? I thought at the time I read it seemed pretty silly to be steamed over half a million bucks at this point in his career.

Urlacher wanted $5.5 mil/yr and the Bears offered $2/yr. He wasn't furious about it, he just didn't agree with how they saw his salary. He gave an interview on Sirius where he sounded a bit unhappy because he mentioned that his initial $5.5 mil figure was just a starting point and he was expecting to negotiate down, but felt like their offer was a "take it or leave it" that undervalued his contributions.

IMO, Urlacher is making the very common mistake of comparing his salary to previous years instead of to his competition in 2013. $2 million is a lot more than a third round MLB would cost to say nothing of his $5.5 mil request.

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Yes, a million times yes!! Move Wagner to the WILL where his body and athleticism are best suited, and bring in Urlacher for 1st and 2nd downs. A true run stopper in the middle. We need one against SF, and Washington and Minn if they make the playoffs. Urlacher also prepares like Peyton Manning does. Our defense, knowing what play is coming, becomes that much more elite. He isn't going to play for the vet minimum. He would walk away. But get it done!! Been saying this for weeks.

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Urlacher came in to last season from an injury and wasn't ready to go. He was still on pace for 90 tackles with 102 the year before. He had two forced fumbles and recoveries and one interception.

I am not ready to call the guy done yet but if PERCEPTION is that he is old and slow then of course he must be..........

Him starting at 2 years $12 million isn't really a big deal of course you start big and see what comes back. He didn't cry to the media until afterwards and his complaint was that he was told there would be negotiations and he supposedly was given one number and that didn't change period.

If he wants to play here and the people that knows wants him then I am sure he can contribute. We shall see....


He's done ALOT of crying since his release. I don't want him.



That's what I thought reading the various articles.

If I own a pro football team the players that make the top of my list are of course the ones that negotiate via the media. Yep, that's about my favorite thing to do. Right up there with having someone hit me in the head with a cast iron skillet.

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If Brian Urlacher was still Brian Urlacher then he would have a contract in Chicago. They have moved on from him without his replacement being on the roster. That has to tell you something guys. He's not playing for chump change and he won't want to be a backup so why are we even discussing this?


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If Brian Urlacher was still Brian Urlacher then he would have a contract in Chicago. They have moved on from him without his replacement being on the roster. That has to tell you something guys. He's not playing for chump change and he won't want to be a backup so why are we even discussing this?

Because P&J are discussing this.

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If Brian Urlacher was still Brian Urlacher then he would have a contract in Chicago. They have moved on from him without his replacement being on the roster. That has to tell you something guys. He's not playing for chump change and he won't want to be a backup so why are we even discussing this?



Well, pardon us new guy. Please dictate to us what we can and cannot discuss.

As far as the rest of your post, The only thing that I read into Chicago not bringing Urlacher back is that they have a new coach and a new identity therefore necessitating the need to get rid of the old face of the franchise. They offered him a contract to sell to the fans that they tried but knew that he would never accept.

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If Brian Urlacher was still Brian Urlacher then he would have a contract in Chicago. They have moved on from him without his replacement being on the roster. That has to tell you something guys. He's not playing for chump change and he won't want to be a backup so why are we even discussing this?



Well, pardon us new guy. Please dictate to us what we can and cannot discuss.

My aren't you the nice guy in the room,,,,not!

Because his opinion us just as good as yours. Better actually cause he was pleasant about it something you can't be accused of.

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My aren't you the nice guy in the room,,,,not!

Because his opinion us just as good as yours. Better actually cause he was pleasant about it something you can't be accused of.

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My aren't you the nice guy in the room,,,,not!

Because his opinion us just as good as yours. Better actually cause he was pleasant about it something you can't be accused of.

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when the market has proven that it has dried up where do all good players go that wanna win? :D hopefully I was pleasant enough....

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Because P&J are discussing this.


We don't know this... that said, I see no reason not to discuss the possibility


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Why does everyone on here have to act like the old male cat after the new kitten gets brought home? Last time I checked, we are all waiting to celebrate the Lombardi trophy? Hell I've been waiting since 1976 when I was 10 years old so not sure why my opinion ,which is more fact based, gets jumped on so bad? If we had a big hole at mike then maybe I see it a little more some of your guys way but that isn't the case. Anyhow sorry to ruffle feathers, maybe someone can let me know what the proper pecking order is here and when/when not I can post my thoughts on OUR team?


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Why does everyone on here have to act like the old male cat after the new kitten gets brought home? Last time I checked, we are all waiting to celebrate the Lombardi trophy? Hell I've been waiting since 1976 when I was 10 years old so not sure why my opinion ,which is more fact based, gets jumped on so bad? If we had a big hole at mike then maybe I see it a little more some of your guys way but that isn't the case. Anyhow sorry to ruffle feathers, maybe someone can let me know what the proper pecking order is here and when/when not I can post my thoughts on OUR team?


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It is called a forum for a reason. I would expect anything and everything Seahawks related, rumors be damned. That said, kicking the tires on Urlacher or anyone else that the front office might feel can contribute to the team this year should be expected.

I do not think we are done signing free agents at all this off-season. We are just waiting for the market to settle some and see who the bargains will be. As we should be imo. JS/PC will bring people in, the players still will have to make the team!

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I assume from this thread's continued presence on the board that this rumor has been vetted in some way? I'd hate to see IHateSleeves join Rob Staton in the stocks after turning out to be wrong...

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Not against kicking the tires on every FA out there but in the end they will take a little time to watch last years tape and add that to the contract he said he would not put his body through another NFL season for and they will move on to the next guy. Would I take him as a role player on a minimal 1 year deal? Sure but I bet Urlacher would beg to differ on that.


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I think it's clear anyone who signs Urlacher is more interested in his legacy then his current production. Who was the last aging linebacker to sign with a team and put them over the top?


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Ray Lewis. Tested the FA market at 34 and then resigned with the Ravens.


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Ray Lewis. Tested the FA market at 34 and then resigned with the Ravens.


I would be hard-pressed to say he put the Ravens over the top, not only did their defense actually regressed last year and I would say that he played at a lower level than he did in previous years.


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Ray Lewis. Tested the FA market at 34 and then resigned with the Ravens.


I would be hard-pressed to say he put the Ravens over the top, not only did their defense actually regressed last year and I would say that he played at a lower level than he did in previous years.


Without question. Lewis was a liability for the Ravens last year. The FO won't be asking Suggs and Ngata go to his home and plead for his return. You can bank on that.

Welcome to the forum Penihawk. Your post (that was attacked) was spot on the mark. Urlacher was the modern day Butkus to Bear fans. IF he was worth keeping they'd pay him. They low-balled him so that he would walk. inferior posters will insult you hoping you too will walk. The ignore button is your friend.


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Thanks for the kind words and advice guys. Just trying to help guys see the reality of a guy that joined the fraternity of getting old over night. Ray hung on because of his leadership and being the franchise from the start or he would of met the same fate a year or two prior. Its a fact of life and the NFL and there are only a couple positions that players can hang around longer as backups and role players. LBer aint one of them imo.


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I would love to see the Hawks sign him. I think he still has a lot left in the tank and would be an big upgrade over Bobby Wagner


I don't even know what to say to this.


Anyway, Urlacher's looking for a multiple year contract in the 3-4 million a year range. That's WAY too much to pay for a backup middle linebacker.

But if we could get him on a one year deal for 2 million + incentives? Sure. Great leadership, work ethic, etc.

I hardly doubt Urlacher would go to a team where he knows he's going to be backup though. Especially if it means a one year deal + incentives.

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I would love to see the Hawks sign him. I think he still has a lot left in the tank and would be an big upgrade over Bobby Wagner


I don't even know what to say to this.


Anyway, Urlacher's looking for a multiple year contract in the 3-4 million a year range. That's WAY too much to pay for a backup middle linebacker.

But if we could get him on a one year deal for 2 million + incentives? Sure. Great leadership, work ethic, etc.

I hardly doubt Urlacher would go to a team where he knows he's going to be backup though. Especially if it means a one year deal + incentives.



Yeah, heaven forbid he have to work for his money rather than rest on his considerable laurels.(yes that's what they are calling it now)

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Yeah, heaven forbid he have to work for his money rather than rest on his considerable laurels.(yes that's what they are calling it now)


Urlacher's going to be in the HOF, his work ethic isn't what's in question here. What's in question is does he continue to beat the crap out of his body for 1-2 million a year as a backup in Seattle?

My guess is the answer is no. If he's going to accept less to prove he can still play, he's going to a team where he can compete for a starting position..........and that ain't in Seattle.

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Yeah, heaven forbid he have to work for his money rather than rest on his considerable laurels.(yes that's what they are calling it now)


Urlacher's going to be in the HOF, his work ethic isn't what's in question here. What's in question is does he continue to beat the crap out of his body for 1-2 million a year as a backup in Seattle?

My guess is the answer is no. If he's going to accept less to prove he can still play, he's going to a team where he can compete for a starting position..........and that ain't in Seattle.



What I meant was I think he's wanting someone to pay him for what has been not what might be.

I know his work ethic but seems to me the people who had him for so many years might have an idea what he has not become.

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 Post Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:14 pm 
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I'm so happy we now have our own identity and no longer feel compelled to bring in the Franco Harris' of the world.

I like the heck out of Brian Urlacher. Enough that I watch him sometimes exclusively during Bear's games. There was a time when he was incredibly fast for a man of his size. Now, more times than not, he looks like he's carrying a piano on his back. Unless he is in need of money, the next team he should be with is in Canton (IMO).


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 Post subject: Re: Rumor....Urlacher
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I could see him in situational role, but I doubt he'll accept 'situational' money.
I'm steadfastly against displacing Wagner from MLB, and that's what is being dicussed anyway you want to frame it. We aren't talking about 3 spots that are equal in difficulty and importance, and I don't want some OTH 1-2 yr player slowing Wagner's learning process. Vetran leadetship or not, less snaps = less learning. Sorry Madden crew.


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