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What should be the Hawks stance on the TE position?
Sit back and be estatic the fact we have Miller & McCoy. 22%  22%  [ 23 ]
Feel very confident with those two but a pass-catching specialist makes sense to add. 25%  25%  [ 26 ]
Definitely room to get better here, target Fred Davis in FA. 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Definitely room to get better here, target any FA for the right price. 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Definitely room to get better here, target Chris Gragg thru the Draft. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Definitely room to get better here, target the best fit/value thru the Draft. 48%  48%  [ 49 ]
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I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.


My dream scenario would be to get Fred Davis on a 1 year 1.5 mil deal and next year trade whatever we need to so we can Draft Austin Sefarian-Jenkins. He'll be a top 5-10 pick barring an injury. I want #88 in Seahawk blue desperately

And Scott Zach will most likely live out the rest of his contact with us simply because his contract was set up so it's all front loaded. He has a 9 mil cap hit this year and then it drops to around 2 mil per year for the rest of the contract. Brilliant planning by JS


I like Sefarian Jenkins a lot. Don't know if he has the speed to go in the top 10. Certainly a top 20-25 guy though. I'll be interested to see what his 40 time is at the combine next year.

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I think he'll be a 4.6-4.65 kinda guy. His acceleration and agility in the 3 cone and short shuttle is where he will really stand out. And the vertical and broad jump he'll be off the charts

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I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.


Doubt we'll get either with the #32 pick next year... *sigh*

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I think he'll be a 4.6-4.65 kinda guy. His acceleration and agility in the 3 cone and short shuttle is where he will really stand out. And the vertical and broad jump he'll be off the charts


If by "off the charts" you mean a DISTANT 2nd to Colt Lyerla, then I totally agree with you. :)

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I'll admit Colt is one hell of an athlete, I don't know how good of aTE he is but I do know he is a freak of nature.

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I think TE might be high on Schneider's list--due to Miller's contract (not because he's not a good receiver). He'll be hard to hold onto when Sherm, Okung, Earl, and Kam need new contracts.

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I think TE might be high on Schneider's list--due to Miller's contract (not because he's not a good receiver). He'll be hard to hold onto when Sherm, Okung, Earl, and Kam need new contracts.


At first glance his contact is a hand cuff, but it you look at the way the contact is structured, the first three years had about 80% of the money. The next year and the year after he only carries a little over a 4M 2014 and then 2M 2015 cap charge. No need to cut a player of his caliber when he is that cheap. Jon planned it perfectly

EDIT: Hmmmm... Looks like I'm WAY off. Time to put the crack pipe down. I swear I saw somewhere reputable that his cap hit was substantially going down the next two years. This site says otherwise.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... ch-miller/

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ASJ will go top 15, he's the best TE prospect in a long time. He became a really good blocker last year and TE's are great value picks since they get really small contracts.


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I think TE might be high on Schneider's list


I read that as Schindler's List at first..

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I'll admit Colt is one hell of an athlete, I don't know how good of a TE he is but I do know he is a freak of nature.

I voted Sit Back, but you are probably right. Next offseason the Seahawks will have to decide do they resign Tate? Do they release one of Miller or Rice to save cap space? If they have a Tight End in the fold it makes the decision to release Miller a lot easier.


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I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?

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JSeahawks wrote:
I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.
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I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?

the cost is the main concern...... would you rather sign branch or davis??


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If there is anyone I'm interested in upgrading, it's McCoy. Someone to come in as #2 TE that can learn from Miller and eventually take over for him. McCoy is just too inconsistent and doesn't strike me as a player that can eventually become a #1 TE. Miller, on the other hand, is absolutely a must have for this team. A veteran presence who does everything that is asked of him. Yes, he had a great game against Atlanta, but I'm convinced we don't get past Washington without him. His shoestring catch and run for our first 1st down was the biggest play of the game, with Lynch's scoop fumble recovery a close second, in my opinion.

I think McCoy is the best you can want in a 2nd te unless you're intent on running two te sets most of the time. McCoy is talented, gets open, makes some big plays, is a fine blocker, and costs next to nothing. With miller on the roster we don't need our second te to be a potential star (though to be honest I think McCoy eventually may be worthy of a starting job). Wanting to improve your second te is like wanting to improve your fourth wideout or your third running back. You don't have to be that good to be worthy of that position, and if you're too good you won't be happy with that position.

Which is all to say that I think McCoy is fine.


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I think TE might be high on Schneider's list


I read that as Schindler's List at first..


Haha as did I! Na, I think we're fine, Zach is among the top all around TE's in this league, maybe spend a midround pick to compete for the number two slot perhaps but Zach is clutch.

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I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?

the cost is the main concern...... would you rather sign branch or davis??


Given our current cap situation there is no reason at all why we can't do both. And I want both. Branch's market has been dso slow to develop that he will be dirt cheap, and Davis is coming off major Achilles surgery so he still be dirt cheap too. There's no reason why we can't get both, and I also want Charles Woodson s a nickel back/3rd safety. Maybe I'm stuck in Madden but it is POSSIBLE we get all three.

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Darren Fells will win the job convincingly. Stop ignoring him.


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Going back to Zach Miller's salary and cap hit after this year, it's in alignment with what he is worth... $6M - $7M/ yr.

We just need an upgrade over McCoy as the #2 TE, imo.

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I have high hopes for Fells too, but he's completely unknown - just all upside. Fred Davis is a proven #1 TE when healthy.Think of our team with two #1 TE's to pair with one of the best 3 wide sets in football, a top 10 QB, a top 3 HB, top 3 LT and the best Center in the entire game. Thats is stacked. Starting to look like my Madden teams lol.

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I posted this in another thread before seeing this one, but given the personnel on hand and the direction the coaching staff is taking the offense, what the Hawks really need is a "Move TE" (in the modern day TE nomenclature), who runs/plays well in space. This is particularly important for offenses like Seattle's which employ a mobile QB with read-option elements, as these are the offenses which are gradually moving towards a more 'space the field' strategy which is particularly common in the college game due to the spread offenses and wider hashmarks at the collegiate level. Thus I wouldn't be the least bit surprised (or disappointed) if the Hawks target/take Florida's Jordan Reed in the 3rd round range, which is a player who profiles perfectly in this regard and is eerily similar to Aaron Hernandez.


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I think we're fine at TE for the time being, but I can still see them drafting someone if the right guy fell far enough to give tremendous value.

Miller's contract was front loaded (as posted earlier ), so we're not hurting for a true #1. Just like our WR's showed "slow" development at the beginning of the year, so did the TE's. Once Wilson was unchained, you saw a progression and a chemistry take place. Miller literally took over that Atlanta game; he was gashing the Falcons something fierce.

The title of the post is "pass catching TE needed?"....so we're not talking blocking here. Are we going to find a TE in the draft better than Rice, Harvin, Tate and Miller ? Because with the addition to Harvin, we're going to be seeing a LOT more 3 WR sets, and go away from the 2 TE sets that Carroll was envisioning 2 years ago. Miller is capable of splitting out wide, and coming in to block; you have bubble screens with Harvin and Tate, and Rice and Harvin can stretch a defense deep.

We have too much money and talent tied up in the WR position to not be running these 3 guys all the time. Harvin creates space for Tate and Miller; we'll be seeing the field open up a ton. I'm not worried about the TE position at all. McCoy showed he can find open holes in the zone and also gash defenses, so I really think we're fine in the depth dept. as well.


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I voted for the draft option but we would be fine this year if we stand pat on TE. The acquisition of Harvin is going to put less emphasis on our two tight end packages, and we appear to have no issue with Miller's salary for the upcoming season given that we see an immediate window of opportunity. McCoy and Morrah would likely be serviceable platooning as blocker and receiver respectively, and we have McGrath and Helfet on the roster as developmental prospects.

On the other hand, TE is the position we have the least value in terms of effectiveness per dollar. The real question here is "are we comfortable with McCoy or Morrah as the #1 in 2014?" and my answer to that is no. As a result, value will be the main incentive for us to address this position in the draft (and/or UDFA) with a high value rookie if one is BPA for a given pick. We could have two rookies make the 53 man this year and provide enough competition for Miller in 2014 that we feel comfortable asking him to restructure.

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On the other hand, TE is the position we have the least value in terms of effectiveness per dollar. The real question here is "are we comfortable with McCoy or Morrah as the #1 in 2014?" and my answer to that is no. As a result, value will be the main incentive for us to address this position in the draft (and/or UDFA) with a high value rookie if one is BPA for a given pick. We could have two rookies make the 53 man this year and provide enough competition for Miller in 2014 that we feel comfortable asking him to restructure.

According to spotrac.com, Zach Miller has the 7th highest average salary for a TE in 2013... even though his cap hit is $11M, which is entirely on the Seahawks since they felt that 2013 was the best year to absorb a lot of Miller's contract.

Zach's average salaries for 2014 and 2015 will be the 5th highest for a TE... at least at this point in time.

I don't see the Hawks asking Miller to take a pay cut. Asking him to restructure doesn't make much sense either as the team still has cap space for 2013 and this is the year that Miller eats a lot of cap space.

And after this year, he's due no more guaranteed money and he only represents $2M in dead money after this year... and only $1M after 2014.

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