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What should be the Hawks stance on the TE position?

Sit back and be estatic the fact we have Miller & McCoy.
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Feel very confident with those two but a pass-catching specialist makes sense to add.
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Definitely room to get better here, target Fred Davis in FA.
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Definitely room to get better here, target any FA for the right price.
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Definitely room to get better here, target Chris Gragg thru the Draft.
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Definitely room to get better here, target the best fit/value thru the Draft.
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Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:07 am
  • Zach catches all of his opportunities and in the Playoffs he showed he is capable of having big games. McCoy is talented yet inconsistent. How do you feel about our current situation at TE ? Priority, luxury, satisfactory, ex cellent etc.?

    Personally if we went into the season as is I would feel good about it. Not great, but the current state doesn't strike me as an urgent need. Zach Miller graded out (profootballfocus) as the best all-around tight end in the NFC West, however that was primarily for his blocking. To add a pass receiving TE would be awesome and add another dimension to a rapidly & exponentially improving offense.

    Jared Cook would have been a perfict addition, but obviously that price was to much. Dustin Keller would have been great as well but not at what the Fins paid. I'm thinking Fred Davis as a potential sleeper FA addition. He will be cheap coming off his achilles tear, Pete coached him at USC, and a one year "prove it"deal is likely all it would take. Outside of that I don't think there are many viable options in FA left

    Outside of Eifert and Ertz I don't know much about the rookie TE's, except for the freakishly athletic Chris Gragg. I think he could be had in the 4th thru 6th round range. Some of the more educated Draft Guru's here (Kearly, English , etc), are there any recommended primarily pass catching, athletic, H-back type prospects that would be a good fit?

    Or do we not even need help at TE?
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:40 am
  • Miller caught 60 balls for over six hundred yards in 2010. He has all the skills needed and he showed it in ATL, even with a bum wheel. Its not his fault his number doesnt get called that often and they keep him in to block.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:20 am
  • I personally think we're fine at TE, but if someone pops up in the draft that they felt highly about how can you argue with taking them?
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:23 am
  • This Darren Fells guy we signed is intriguing. I wonder how quickly he can pick things up.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:52 am
  • I'm always for getting better....but I'm not impartial on this particular subject because I happen to know Russell's favorite pass catcher from his NC State days, George Bryan. He and Russell stay in touch but last I spoke with his sister George was on the practice squad in Cleveland. He has great hands and is a huge target down the middle and in the red zone. He would be great for depth and a very low price and he has so much chemistry already with our young QB.
    *I might add that the Colts brought in Luck's two TE's from Stanford and had success with the move.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:58 am
  • If there is anyone I'm interested in upgrading, it's McCoy. Someone to come in as #2 TE that can learn from Miller and eventually take over for him. McCoy is just too inconsistent and doesn't strike me as a player that can eventually become a #1 TE. Miller, on the other hand, is absolutely a must have for this team. A veteran presence who does everything that is asked of him. Yes, he had a great game against Atlanta, but I'm convinced we don't get past Washington without him. His shoestring catch and run for our first 1st down was the biggest play of the game, with Lynch's scoop fumble recovery a close second, in my opinion.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:08 am
  • I know it's easy to, but I'm trying not to forget about Cameron Moorah or Sean McGrath. At the very least, they'll make for great competition for whomever the team brings in.

    The team obviously has some hope for Moorah, which explains why he's still on the roster despite his nagging injuries, and McGrath caught everything thrown his way during the Preseason. Moorah can also line up out wide, while McGrath can line up as an H-Back on occasion and give Seattle that "Joker" they might be looking for, although he lacks ideal speed/athleticism for that type of look.

    I think the team brings in another guy, but I also think that Moorah and McGrath might factor heavy into the mix.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:33 am
  • Zach will continue to do a fantastic job blocking, as well as a great job catching the ball when his number is called with the potential for the occasional ATL game depending on match ups across the field. But just think of how dynamic our passing attack would be with an athletic seam-stretching / match-up nightmare TE. Speed, agility, acceleration, size, route running and hands.

    Fred Davis screams JS&PC to me. Low risk, extremely high reward type signing. Should cost a minimal amount on a one year deal. Player has something to prove and thus will be motivated all season. And has the Pete USC connection. Let's get it done! Save our Draft picks for defense (DT and OLB) and offensive line.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:31 am
  • It's all about competition. McCoy would be a good #3, but I think we can improve.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:04 am
  • Unless something comes up in the draft that PC/JS cannot pass up I am fine with what we have. Zach had a great second half of the year.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:53 am
  • I like the Hawks selecting Travis Kelce from Cincinnati in the 4th round.

    He reminds me of Zach Miller and that's a good thing.

    Zach does everything well and I believe that Kelce could be an excellent eventual replacement for Zach when his contract expires in three years (after the 2015 season).

    McCoy just doesn't do it for me... especially in the run game. He's just too inconsistent in both the pass game and the run game.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:56 am
  • Adding a future #1 TE would be pretty easy this year with such a deep TE draft class. It will give us a ton of flexability on offense which we already have, and another good target for RW down the seem. I would not be surprised to see our 2nd or 3rd used on a TE. I'm all for upgrading our weapons for Russ and giving him another big Red Zone target.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:16 am
  • NYCoug wrote:I know it's easy to, but I'm trying not to forget about Cameron Moorah or Sean McGrath. At the very least, they'll make for great competition for whomever the team brings in.

    The team obviously has some hope for Moorah, which explains why he's still on the roster despite his nagging injuries, and McGrath caught everything thrown his way during the Preseason. Moorah can also line up out wide, while McGrath can line up as an H-Back on occasion and give Seattle that "Joker" they might be looking for, although he lacks ideal speed/athleticism for that type of look.

    I think the team brings in another guy, but I also think that Moorah and McGrath might factor heavy into the mix.


    Morrah and McGrath both look like players that can really emerge as receiving threats. Combine that with Miller who is a probowl caliber receiving TE and McCoy who finally showed that he deserves a place in the NFL, I think adding another TE would be overkill
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:38 am
  • We can improve thru the draft, but I wouldn't make it a 2nd or 3rd round pick unless we have fixed our 3TechDT and WLB positions before the draft. Since that hasn't happened to date, I would think we go there first come draft day.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:41 pm
  • Cameron Moorah is a free agent that has yet to sign anywhere. He probably is quicker and faster than the tight ends understudies currently under contract to compete for the #2 & #3 positions. Many believe Cameron came out of college too early and has struggled to stay healthy and to develop. Although I once had great expectations for him, I think he turned out to be a much better athlete than football player.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:18 pm
  • I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:31 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.

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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:33 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.

    No reason we can't take a TE two years in a row. I don't think Zach will be here in two years anyway. Which means we may need two tight ends over the next two years.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:34 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.


    My dream scenario would be to get Fred Davis on a 1 year 1.5 mil deal and next year trade whatever we need to so we can Draft Austin Sefarian-Jenkins. He'll be a top 5-10 pick barring an injury. I want #88 in Seahawk blue desperately

    And Scott Zach will most likely live out the rest of his contact with us simply because his contract was set up so it's all front loaded. He has a 9 mil cap hit this year and then it drops to around 2 mil per year for the rest of the contract. Brilliant planning by JS
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:43 pm
  • Didn't really care for the options. There should have been one that said "Yes. A big, huge, reliable pass-catching tight end is arguably the last puzzle piece to assure a Lombardi trophy being hoisted for this already talent-loaded team, just ahead of a new monster or two on the O-line". Well, that's kind of long-winded, so I doubt it would have fit. But that's what I would have voted for. :D
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:45 pm
  • The Yugoslavian wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.


    My dream scenario would be to get Fred Davis on a 1 year 1.5 mil deal and next year trade whatever we need to so we can Draft Austin Sefarian-Jenkins. He'll be a top 5-10 pick barring an injury. I want #88 in Seahawk blue desperately

    And Scott Zach will most likely live out the rest of his contact with us simply because his contract was set up so it's all front loaded. He has a 9 mil cap hit this year and then it drops to around 2 mil per year for the rest of the contract. Brilliant planning by JS


    I like Sefarian Jenkins a lot. Don't know if he has the speed to go in the top 10. Certainly a top 20-25 guy though. I'll be interested to see what his 40 time is at the combine next year.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:51 pm
  • I think he'll be a 4.6-4.65 kinda guy. His acceleration and agility in the 3 cone and short shuttle is where he will really stand out. And the vertical and broad jump he'll be off the charts
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:56 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.


    Doubt we'll get either with the #32 pick next year... *sigh*
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:56 pm
  • The Yugoslavian wrote:I think he'll be a 4.6-4.65 kinda guy. His acceleration and agility in the 3 cone and short shuttle is where he will really stand out. And the vertical and broad jump he'll be off the charts


    If by "off the charts" you mean a DISTANT 2nd to Colt Lyerla, then I totally agree with you. :)
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:06 pm
  • I'll admit Colt is one hell of an athlete, I don't know how good of aTE he is but I do know he is a freak of nature.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:32 pm
  • I think TE might be high on Schneider's list--due to Miller's contract (not because he's not a good receiver). He'll be hard to hold onto when Sherm, Okung, Earl, and Kam need new contracts.
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:36 pm
  • nanomoz wrote:I think TE might be high on Schneider's list--due to Miller's contract (not because he's not a good receiver). He'll be hard to hold onto when Sherm, Okung, Earl, and Kam need new contracts.


    At first glance his contact is a hand cuff, but it you look at the way the contact is structured, the first three years had about 80% of the money. The next year and the year after he only carries a little over a 4M 2014 and then 2M 2015 cap charge. No need to cut a player of his caliber when he is that cheap. Jon planned it perfectly

    EDIT: Hmmmm... Looks like I'm WAY off. Time to put the crack pipe down. I swear I saw somewhere reputable that his cap hit was substantially going down the next two years. This site says otherwise.

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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:24 pm
  • ASJ will go top 15, he's the best TE prospect in a long time. He became a really good blocker last year and TE's are great value picks since they get really small contracts.
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:34 pm
  • nanomoz wrote:I think TE might be high on Schneider's list


    I read that as Schindler's List at first..
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:52 am
  • The Yugoslavian wrote:I'll admit Colt is one hell of an athlete, I don't know how good of a TE he is but I do know he is a freak of nature.

    I voted Sit Back, but you are probably right. Next offseason the Seahawks will have to decide do they resign Tate? Do they release one of Miller or Rice to save cap space? If they have a Tight End in the fold it makes the decision to release Miller a lot easier.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:07 am
  • I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:29 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wait til next year and hope either Lyerla or Sefarian Jenkins falls to us.
    sfj is a top 20 pick
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:36 am
  • The Yugoslavian wrote:I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?

    the cost is the main concern...... would you rather sign branch or davis??
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:07 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:If there is anyone I'm interested in upgrading, it's McCoy. Someone to come in as #2 TE that can learn from Miller and eventually take over for him. McCoy is just too inconsistent and doesn't strike me as a player that can eventually become a #1 TE. Miller, on the other hand, is absolutely a must have for this team. A veteran presence who does everything that is asked of him. Yes, he had a great game against Atlanta, but I'm convinced we don't get past Washington without him. His shoestring catch and run for our first 1st down was the biggest play of the game, with Lynch's scoop fumble recovery a close second, in my opinion.

    I think McCoy is the best you can want in a 2nd te unless you're intent on running two te sets most of the time. McCoy is talented, gets open, makes some big plays, is a fine blocker, and costs next to nothing. With miller on the roster we don't need our second te to be a potential star (though to be honest I think McCoy eventually may be worthy of a starting job). Wanting to improve your second te is like wanting to improve your fourth wideout or your third running back. You don't have to be that good to be worthy of that position, and if you're too good you won't be happy with that position.

    Which is all to say that I think McCoy is fine.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:28 am
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    nanomoz wrote:I think TE might be high on Schneider's list


    I read that as Schindler's List at first..


    Haha as did I! Na, I think we're fine, Zach is among the top all around TE's in this league, maybe spend a midround pick to compete for the number two slot perhaps but Zach is clutch.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:53 pm
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    The Yugoslavian wrote:I'm very surprised in the lack of people pounding the table for Fred Davis honestly. I would have thought that option would have been a close second to getting the best fit/value through the draft. It seems to me like a perfect potential match for the reasons I've already stated. Is there any particular reason some of you don't want Davis?

    the cost is the main concern...... would you rather sign branch or davis??


    Given our current cap situation there is no reason at all why we can't do both. And I want both. Branch's market has been dso slow to develop that he will be dirt cheap, and Davis is coming off major Achilles surgery so he still be dirt cheap too. There's no reason why we can't get both, and I also want Charles Woodson s a nickel back/3rd safety. Maybe I'm stuck in Madden but it is POSSIBLE we get all three.
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:04 am
  • Darren Fells will win the job convincingly. Stop ignoring him.
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:27 am
  • Going back to Zach Miller's salary and cap hit after this year, it's in alignment with what he is worth... $6M - $7M/ yr.

    We just need an upgrade over McCoy as the #2 TE, imo.
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:30 am
  • I have high hopes for Fells too, but he's completely unknown - just all upside. Fred Davis is a proven #1 TE when healthy.Think of our team with two #1 TE's to pair with one of the best 3 wide sets in football, a top 10 QB, a top 3 HB, top 3 LT and the best Center in the entire game. Thats is stacked. Starting to look like my Madden teams lol.
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:21 am
  • I posted this in another thread before seeing this one, but given the personnel on hand and the direction the coaching staff is taking the offense, what the Hawks really need is a "Move TE" (in the modern day TE nomenclature), who runs/plays well in space. This is particularly important for offenses like Seattle's which employ a mobile QB with read-option elements, as these are the offenses which are gradually moving towards a more 'space the field' strategy which is particularly common in the college game due to the spread offenses and wider hashmarks at the collegiate level. Thus I wouldn't be the least bit surprised (or disappointed) if the Hawks target/take Florida's Jordan Reed in the 3rd round range, which is a player who profiles perfectly in this regard and is eerily similar to Aaron Hernandez.
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:58 am
  • I think we're fine at TE for the time being, but I can still see them drafting someone if the right guy fell far enough to give tremendous value.

    Miller's contract was front loaded (as posted earlier ), so we're not hurting for a true #1. Just like our WR's showed "slow" development at the beginning of the year, so did the TE's. Once Wilson was unchained, you saw a progression and a chemistry take place. Miller literally took over that Atlanta game; he was gashing the Falcons something fierce.

    The title of the post is "pass catching TE needed?"....so we're not talking blocking here. Are we going to find a TE in the draft better than Rice, Harvin, Tate and Miller ? Because with the addition to Harvin, we're going to be seeing a LOT more 3 WR sets, and go away from the 2 TE sets that Carroll was envisioning 2 years ago. Miller is capable of splitting out wide, and coming in to block; you have bubble screens with Harvin and Tate, and Rice and Harvin can stretch a defense deep.

    We have too much money and talent tied up in the WR position to not be running these 3 guys all the time. Harvin creates space for Tate and Miller; we'll be seeing the field open up a ton. I'm not worried about the TE position at all. McCoy showed he can find open holes in the zone and also gash defenses, so I really think we're fine in the depth dept. as well.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:27 am
  • I voted for the draft option but we would be fine this year if we stand pat on TE. The acquisition of Harvin is going to put less emphasis on our two tight end packages, and we appear to have no issue with Miller's salary for the upcoming season given that we see an immediate window of opportunity. McCoy and Morrah would likely be serviceable platooning as blocker and receiver respectively, and we have McGrath and Helfet on the roster as developmental prospects.

    On the other hand, TE is the position we have the least value in terms of effectiveness per dollar. The real question here is "are we comfortable with McCoy or Morrah as the #1 in 2014?" and my answer to that is no. As a result, value will be the main incentive for us to address this position in the draft (and/or UDFA) with a high value rookie if one is BPA for a given pick. We could have two rookies make the 53 man this year and provide enough competition for Miller in 2014 that we feel comfortable asking him to restructure.
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Re: Pass catching TE needed?
Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:57 am
  • AgentDib wrote:On the other hand, TE is the position we have the least value in terms of effectiveness per dollar. The real question here is "are we comfortable with McCoy or Morrah as the #1 in 2014?" and my answer to that is no. As a result, value will be the main incentive for us to address this position in the draft (and/or UDFA) with a high value rookie if one is BPA for a given pick. We could have two rookies make the 53 man this year and provide enough competition for Miller in 2014 that we feel comfortable asking him to restructure.

    According to spotrac.com, Zach Miller has the 7th highest average salary for a TE in 2013... even though his cap hit is $11M, which is entirely on the Seahawks since they felt that 2013 was the best year to absorb a lot of Miller's contract.

    Zach's average salaries for 2014 and 2015 will be the 5th highest for a TE... at least at this point in time.

    I don't see the Hawks asking Miller to take a pay cut. Asking him to restructure doesn't make much sense either as the team still has cap space for 2013 and this is the year that Miller eats a lot of cap space.

    And after this year, he's due no more guaranteed money and he only represents $2M in dead money after this year... and only $1M after 2014.
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