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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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5th or 6th round pick for Baldwin? God, no way I'd want us to do that trade. What a joke.


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Sounds like reporters are shooting down the Cruz link. Could mean nothing, but could also make Baldwin more likely.

I kind if think it is bigger than that. Irsay said they had been working on it for days. Which makes me think a sizable salary is involved. Doug would be a quick trade, no cap issues, one/maybe two picks.


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doug has stated in the past that him and Luck are good friends and communicate every now and then. THis may be one of the reasons why Indi is perusing him?



This is the only reason I can see it happening. They can't draft someone that has what Baldwin offers Luck. A history at Stanford and they train offseason together.

if the security blanket is important and Luck wants it they will over pay for him


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Yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense from our side to trade Baldwin, unless someone pays what most consider over market value.

I say keep Baldwin and draft a WR or two for PS/backup/future development.

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I don't understand why some of you would trade him for a 3rd. Are we really that greedy? Baldwin has great chemistry with our offense and has amazing talent for a 4th WR, not to mention he's on a UDFA salary.

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I don't understand why some of you would trade him for a 3rd. Are we really that greedy? Baldwin has great chemistry with our offense and has amazing talent for a 4th WR, not to mention he's on a UDFA salary.


Like you just said, he is a 4th WR, who we found as a UDFA. I think most teams would take a third in a heartbeat for that player. A obvious net gain in a vacuum. Even considering our SB aspirations, still pretty solid value for your 4th guy.


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I'd even want more than Indy's late third. Not that Doug is necessarily worth more than that, but if we trade him, all of a sudden we need to go seek out depth at WR. As it stands, we've got 4 roster spots basically locked up, and can let the other 2 be battled out by existing guys or rooks. If you trade Doug, we lose a guy that we know is a dependable slot guy, whose presence gives us some of that freedom we need to move Percy all over the field, including into the backfield. I know Doug isn't absolutely necessary, but he's more than just a slight luxury to me.


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I think it's Jeremy Maclin. The situation makes more sense, he's in last year of contract, only 24 years old, new coach, doesn't overlap with TY Hilton, Eagles aren't settled at QB


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The Colts appear to NOT have a round-5 pick this year, so IMO, if they want Baldwin to play with his former OC and QB-Luck, their round 4 pick, #118 overall MIGHT be a potentially acceptable option. Per current cbssports.com rankings their round 4 - #118 pick could result in players like:

CB-Leon McFadden, CB-Brandon McGee (both projected as potential slot corners),
DE-Devin Taylor, DE-Cory Lemonier, DT-Jordan Hill,
OLB-Jelani Jenkins, OLB-Gerald Hodges,
OT-David Quessenberry, OT-Jordan Mills,
WR-Kenny Stills, WR-Cobi Hamilton, WR-Chris Harper, WR-Steadman Bailey (if he somehow falls),
RB-Marcus Lattimore, RB-Kenyon Barner, RB-Le'Veon Bell.

--Thinking as if this were a straight-up trade, which of these, IF ANY, would we consider trading for Doug Baldwin?

If not a 4-th this year, maybe the Seahawks would take a round 7 pick this year and a round 3 pick next year that replaces the ones given up in the Harvin trade? We all know how JS values draft picks.
I'm sure PC/JS would consider any possibilities they think will help the team, so you never know.......

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I don't understand why some of you would trade him for a 3rd. Are we really that greedy? Baldwin has great chemistry with our offense and has amazing talent for a 4th WR, not to mention he's on a UDFA salary.

Ask yourself this, if the Seahawks used their 3rd round pick next month on a guy whom they envisioned long-term being a #4 WR, would you be happy? Of course not. A 3rd round pick is a top 100 selection, and has to be a projected impact starter a la Russell Wilson or KJ Wright (2nd pick of the 4th round). If somebody offers you a #3 for a nice-but-ultimately-limited rotational guy who has already hit his ceiling at what is a relative position of strength for you already, you take it. Every time.


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Strength now, next year you have two contracts up and with Harvin starting and Tate on the bench unless we go trips you think Tate stays if he can try to start somewhere, then the strength takes a hit and Baldwin is a nice supplement to a potential depth issue.

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Strength now, next year you have two contracts up and with Harvin starting and Tate on the bench unless we go trips you think Tate stays if he can try to start somewhere, then the strength takes a hit and Baldwin is a nice supplement to a potential depth issue.

You say that as if there's no such thing as the 2013 Draft, the 2014 Draft, 2014 free agency, and the trade market. There's a whole lot of other transactions that are going to happen between now and the start of the 2014 season, its not as though all the WR's that we have today is all that we'll be allowed to have then. Also, Baldwin will be a RFA after the 2013 season so its not a mortal lock that he'd even be in Seattle for the 2014 season anyway.


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I say a UDFA can be brought back a lot easier then a 2nd round pick, I also say we have been trying to fill WR spots for a few years and would not have traded for Harvin if Tate had been able to step up his game faster since Harvin is essentially what we were looking for in Tate when we drafted him. We keep rotating our depth chart at WR to find competent back up and depth, Baldwin is a proven cheap commodity. Those future drafts are future, they may or may not bring in a guy that sticks, you have one here now. So many people look a gift horse in the mouth and then bitch and moan when that player leaves based on what we try to replace them with.

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This is a draft that Schneider has admiited, he likes the WR position as far as talent goes.

I could see a trade if it makes sense. Right now, we have 3 guys capable of playing the slot. This draft seems pretty deep at slot guys. It's a position we can get younger and cheaper in 2014 at, while maintaining quality. I'd hope we explore that option.


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I don't understand why some of you would trade him for a 3rd. Are we really that greedy? Baldwin has great chemistry with our offense and has amazing talent for a 4th WR, not to mention he's on a UDFA salary.

Ask yourself this, if the Seahawks used their 3rd round pick next month on a guy whom they envisioned long-term being a #4 WR, would you be happy? Of course not. A 3rd round pick is a top 100 selection, and has to be a projected impact starter a la Russell Wilson or KJ Wright (2nd pick of the 4th round). If somebody offers you a #3 for a nice-but-ultimately-limited rotational guy who has already hit his ceiling at what is a relative position of strength for you already, you take it. Every time.


There has always been a group of folks on this board that have been Baldwin bashers. I don't get it. You're talking Bout the team's leading receiver in both receptions and yards in 2011 , and he was just as good in 2012 when he was finally healthy. If you don't believe that, just watch the Seahawks/49es game again, which has recently been posted to YouTube (that video served as the topic of a recent thread here). Baldwin makes two spectacular TD grabs, the first of which was also quite acrobatic, and you and the other Baldwin belittlers are going to sit here and bash him as "nice, nut limited"? Please...


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I don't understand why some of you would trade him for a 3rd. Are we really that greedy? Baldwin has great chemistry with our offense and has amazing talent for a 4th WR, not to mention he's on a UDFA salary.

Ask yourself this, if the Seahawks used their 3rd round pick next month on a guy whom they envisioned long-term being a #4 WR, would you be happy? Of course not. A 3rd round pick is a top 100 selection, and has to be a projected impact starter a la Russell Wilson or KJ Wright (2nd pick of the 4th round). If somebody offers you a #3 for a nice-but-ultimately-limited rotational guy who has already hit his ceiling at what is a relative position of strength for you already, you take it. Every time.


There has always been a group of folks on this board that have been Baldwin bashers. I don't get it. You're talking Bout the team's leading receiver in both receptions and yards in 2011 , and he was just as good in 2012 when he was finally healthy. If you don't believe that, just watch the Seahawks/49es game again, which has recently been posted to YouTube (that video served as the topic of a recent thread here). Baldwin makes two spectacular TD grabs, the first of which was also quite acrobatic, and you and the other Baldwin belittlers are going to sit here and bash him as "nice, nut limited"? Please...


Umm, I am not "Baldwin bashing." Go back and read my first post in this thread on page 1. I've already stated that Baldwin's value to the Seahawks - even as a #4 WR - is enough that only an overpay by Indy (which to me would be a 3rd round pick) would make a trade worth consummating.


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Apparently one of Irsay's tweets referenced a quote in 'On Golden Pond', so there's that to chew on.


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This is a draft that Schneider has admiited, he likes the WR position as far as talent goes.

I could see a trade if it makes sense. Right now, we have 3 guys capable of playing the slot. This draft seems pretty deep at slot guys. It's a position we can get younger and cheaper in 2014 at, while maintaining quality. I'd hope we explore that option.


So you want to get rid of a cheap 24 year old a year removed from being the first UDFA in about 50 years to lead his team in yards and receptions to get one of these guys?


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I know it means absolutely nothing, but on my season in Madden 13, after the first season I drafted a WR in the first round. I then had a trade request for Doug Baldwin from Indianapolis for a 3rd round pick. Thought that was kind of crazy...


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Dude, that article is 100% self-described SPECULATION based on nothing but Doug's prior relationships with Luck and Indy's OC.

Can't believe anyone is talking about this like it's a legit possibility. Doesn't make sense for either team.


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Hell no we don't shop Baldwin. Won't trade him either, unless the trade is absolutely ridiculous and we fleece Indy out of a very high pick. I'd say front office wouldn't pull the trigger on a trade for less than a first or second, and that's not going to happen. Otherwise it isn't worth it. Baldwin is a known entity and a proven quality player. No way we get that in a third or fourth rounder without a gamble.

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Baldwin in 4 WR sets and his salary that makes him basically free to us unless Grigson is offering a third or higher.



Agreement. He has third round value TO US, imo.

To Indy? Dunno.

Well BFS, if he does have third round value in the Seahawks evaluation chart that Pete and John probably pretty much adhere to, then unless they think that they might be able to take a 4th or lower and group it with another 4th or 5th of their own and move up to grab some other Receiver or maybe another position that might tickle their fancy in this draft, if they have some particular player that they want up the hill that they'd be willing enough to take a chance on?
PC & JS have done some off the wall moves that have paid off big time, and some moves that I bet they wish that they could take back, but if they could turn down a trade deal with the Buc's for L. Washington, who knows what they might be tempted do here LOL


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I think the biggest crux to me is how high of a pick do you spend to replace Baldwin? Is he your #4? Yeah, kind of, but he's going to be your go to slot guy in a lot of cases depending where Percy is lined up (and we've talked a lot about him in the backfield). Dougie is on a minimum contract and under team control for 2 more seasons with the RFA tag. I don't see the value in a trade that isn't an overpay.


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Could that be a subtle reference to Golden Tate? If so, I would think the trade compensation would be at the very least a 2-nd rounder+, if not a 1-st. I'm thinking that might not be a bad trade considering the overload at slot receiver and the expressed desire to go bigger at WR. With that higher pick, several of the taller WR's could come into play, or perhaps even DeAndre Hopkins! If that were possible I'd think the Seahawks would probably be fairly interested.

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Two new tweets from Irsay just now:

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I'd be shocked if it was Golden despite the movie reference, or even Doug... They have to like Hilton in the slot and given Reggie Wayne's age, they have to target outside guys and probably taller guys... Cruz, Baldwin, Tate, Bess all don't fit that bill, imo. Maclin isn't a big guy, but plays outside, has a contract due up, has a new coach and a team that isn't settled at QB, so extending him doesn't make a lot of financial sense. Better to get some value for him now.


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Gah. I like our set of wide receivers. No reason to trade unless someone wants to overpay significantly imo.


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I guess a trade for Golden makes sense if the Hawks have no plans to resign him after next season. I wouldn't do it for anything less than a 3rd rounder. A Baldwin trade doesn't make sense to me, especially with Harvin's injury history.


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This better not happen, our WR group is pretty solid right now. Why weaken it for a late rd pick at best?

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Harvin's best year was his rookie year and his DYAR on FO was nearly identical to Baldwin's rookie year. Last season Tate had a much better season than either of them according to DYAR.

So I figure if Harvin is worth a 1st rounder then so is Baldwin and Tate is completely off the board. Anything else wouldn't make any sense.

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I'm really not sweating it. Our top 3 wideouts Rice, Harvin and Tate are pretty darn good. With Miller coming on late in the season 4 really good weapons to throw to.

Yes.. depth is good but Baldwin really underwhelmed last year. I'm fine with trading him or keeping him, we're good both ways, IMO.

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On his face book page he is talking about how he heard the rumors and that he talked to his agent and management and said that he "highly doubts" that those rumors are true.


That probably means he's good as done


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It sounds like Irsay backed off anyway, from what NorthDallas mentioned. I suppose that whatever deal he was alluding to broke down.

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Take it from the man himself he seems convinced nothing is happening


Great to hear. One of my favorite players...

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Take it from the man himself he seems convinced nothing is happening



Hot Dog!! Doug is a very valuable asset to our team this year. While he may not have "blinding speed" to get separation on every play, he has developed a set of "good hands".


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I don't think Irsay was talking about Baldwin. That's not the type of addition worth teasing the public over.

I do think trading Baldwin makes sense. He's very likely at his peak value right now since he'll be a #4 WR next year. Seattle doesn't have to trade him, he's cheap this year and relatively cheap the year after that (RFA tag), but if Seattle wants a decent pick in return for Baldwin, now is probably the time to shop him. Especially since a 3rd or 4th this year feels a lot like a 2nd round pick most other years with the draft being so loaded in 2013.


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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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Complete nonsense, we should keep him


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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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I actually think that if (big 'if') the Hawks and Colts are indeed in discussions about a trade for a WR (going to Indy), that it's in regards to Golden Tate and not Doug Baldwin. That would seem to make more sense on both sides, would be the bigger name that Irsay alluded to, and would entail a more complicated negotiation in terms of what Seattle would receive in return (not to mention a possible contract extension for Tate with the Colts), and it would coincide with the timing that Irsay alluded to last night when he mentioned that they'd been working on it for "5 days," which would back-date to last Monday, the day the Harvin trade was agreed to.


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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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kearly wrote:
I do think trading Baldwin makes sense. He's very likely at his peak value right now since he'll be a #4 WR next year. Seattle doesn't have to trade him, he's cheap this year and relatively cheap the year after that (RFA tag), but if Seattle wants a decent pick in return for Baldwin, now is probably the time to shop him. Especially since a 3rd or 4th this year feels a lot like a 2nd round pick most other years with the draft being so loaded in 2013.


Disagree. Doug is outperforming his contract. You don't trade away value. Does not make sense to trade him for a 3rd just for the privilege of paying MORE for what you can only hope is the same production.

Doug may technically be #4 on receiver depth, but Harvin isn't a prototypical WR and Doug is going to be featured heavily in our offense next year.


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It all depends on whether you want to keep Tate next year. There is currently no way we can pay both Tate and Baldwin when they are due. Getting something for Baldwin this year may be better than having him walk for nothing in two.

For me Tate has a lot to prove now that Percin is in the team. I see it more likely we keep Baldwin for two and let Tate walk next year.
It is clear that now that rookies are cheap teams are not going to overpay in free agency. So maybe letting Tate walk will work out for us.


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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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I love Baldwin. But I can't imagine any scenario where we get a 3rd back for him.

Undrafted 2 years ago, Good rookie year, average if not dissapointing 2nd year. I dont think he has much value. 5th round return at best, imo.

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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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This all doesn't take into account injuries. What are the odds our WRs make it through the season without missing any games? Somewhere between 0 and nil. I'd rather have Baldwin ready to step in more than any other option I could think of. That right there is reason enough for me to not want to trade him.

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 Post subject: Re: Doug Baldwin to be traded? (Colts, speculation)
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For Baldwin it's all about what you could get for him and if that is preferred over having him for depth for the season for little money, a restricted season for below average money, plus his compensatory pick value after that. For Seattle, that's probably a mid 3rd rounder or better and I'm not sure he could fetch that.


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Doug just retweeted this:

"#Colts have had no discussion with Seattle regarding WR Doug Baldwin"

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