Is Bennett's role strictly that of a pass-rusher?

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  • I've been thinking maybe Bryant takes over the Branch role on running downs meaning Bennett is the starting 5-tech that slides over to 3 on passing downs with Irvin taking the end spot. I really like Bryant and if he is healthy I hope he can play like he did in 11' but Bennett has a chance to show he is a beast and get paid. Going to be fun seeing what Quinn comes up with.

    Either way, they have the option of moving all starting linemen around and if an injury happens they aren't screwed.
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  • Liz Mathews 710 ESPN ‏@Liz_Mathews
    Schneider said #Seahawks new DE @cliffavril fits at both Leo position and Sam LB.


    That was Schneider on John Clayton's radio show earlier today
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  • Bryant is solid as a run stuffing DE, but the reason he is playing that position is because he was not good playing DT. He got pushed around in the trenches and he's not exactly a pass rushing threat either so moving him back to the 3-Tech DT position just doesn't make sense.
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  • What is also great, someone is getting one on one assignments with this many dangerous pass rushers can't double them all.
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  • GCrow wrote:
    Liz Mathews 710 ESPN ‏@Liz_Mathews
    Schneider said #Seahawks new DE @cliffavril fits at both Leo position and Sam LB.


    That was Schneider on John Clayton's radio show earlier today


    Interesting. Sounds like they are going to play Avril as a pass rushing SAM when Clemons returns. That is one way to get all of them on the field at the same time.

    On obvious passing downs, I could see:

    RDE: Clemmons
    RDT: Scruggs/Howard ( LB: Wagner)
    LDT: Bennett/Howard (LB: Avril)
    LDE: Irvin
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  • Thanks for the responses to my query, guys, and also for the tacit welcoming. And needless to say... it's a real good problem to have, possessing so many talented players that you're not exactly sure how to logistically maximize each and every one of their talents. But I trust the Seahawks' staff to do what's best. Personally, I think that'll mean seeing much more of Bennett than just him playing the 3-tech on passing downs (most of you agree), but we'll see- they obviously know what they're doing.
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  • AWESOM-O wrote:I've been reading quite extensively on the board that most Seahawks' fans expect that Red Bryant's role won't change and that he's firmly entrenched at LDE as that massive and immovable run-stopping, lineman-occupying, 5-tech DE in Seattle's "elephant" scheme. And I've also been reading that Michael Bennett will play the Jason Jones' role, which implies that he won't start and he'll strictly play in passing downs- because I've also been reading that many Seahawks' fans expect Seattle to still do something significant at 3-tech DT alongside Brandon Mebane, either by re-signing Alan Branch or using a late-2nd on the position.

    Anyway, I only bring this up to mention what an extraordinary run-stopping DE Bennett actually is. Pro Football Focus, an analytical football website which dissects each and every player and play (and has really gained in popularity and reputability), has given out phenomenal grades to Bennett each of the last two years for his work against the run, actually suggesting that his play has been borderline elite in this regard. Even people who believe that Bennett is a "one-year wonder" because they exclusively look at sack totals fail to realize that in 2011, despite "just" 4 sacks from him that season, that he was absolutely dominant against the run.

    I know that Red Bryant's role is unique and that he really doesn't offer a lot of versatility along the defensive line (hence why most Seahawks' fans seem so convinced he's locked in at LDE). But I really think that Seattle would be wasting quite a bit of Bennett's talent if they restrict him purely to passing downs- he's really incredibly well-rounded.

    What do you think? Does Bennett have to pigeon-holed into purely passing the passer even when he offers so much else?


    Welcome! I have to agree with others in saying that for a first post, you certainly got in the End Zone with this one -- excellent observations.

    On Bennett, I wouldn't say that he is going to be pigeon-holed whatsoever. Far from it. In fact, I'd argue it's exactly the OPPOSITE. Part of the reason that I've advocated for signing Michael Bennett from the very beginning is that he is very much a Swiss Army Knife.

    When Bennett was here before back in 2009, Jim Mora and the rest of the Hawks coaching staff ended up moving him inside to Defensive Tackle in the Pre-Season --and he looked very good there. He showed a lot of real natural quickness and an ability to penetrate in to the backfield with regularity. Why that regime would choose to let him go is simply beyond me (well, I guess it was Ruskell after all).

    Anyway, Seahawk fans are naturally excited about the fact that Bennett racked up 9.0 Sacks in 2012 (and rightfully so. I am as well).

    But the thing that I'm really pumped up by is the fact that Bennett notched 10 Tackles for Loss last year. Tackles for Loss is a stat that I'm personally high on, as it illustrates just how often a defensive player is getting in to the opposing backfield ... and bringing down opposing RB's/QB's/etc. before they can get going. For a lineman, it's a real mark in showing how effective they can be against the run. JJ Watt had 23 TFL ... and Von Miller had 14 TFL for example. Watt and Miller were a large part of the reason why their teams were among the league leaders in Rush Defense last year. Likewise, Bennett was a large reason why the Buccaneers finished #1 in fewest rushing yards allowed.

    And those 10 TFL weren't simply an aberration. Bennett also notched 9 TFL in 2011 as well. So over the past 2 years, Michael Bennett has proven to be one of the most disruptive and one of the best in the league at bringing down opposing runners in the backfield for loss. He is not only a sack artist -- he is one of the NFL's best defensive lineman against the run.

    For the Seahawks especially, THAT is something that they desperately need. I don't know how many of you know this or not ... but believe it or not the entire Seattle Seahawks defense recorded a grand total of 36 Tackles for Loss. Folks -- that was the LOWEST total in the NFL. Yep. Your Seattle Seahawks were DEAD LAST in the NFL in Tackles for Loss ... and to me that inability to get in to the opposition's backfield showed up week after week last season.

    So, no -- Bennett isn't simply someone who is going to be "pigeon-holed" whatsoever.

    In Passing Situations, we could possibly see:

    LDE Michael Bennett
    LEO Bruce Irvin
    WILL Cliff Avril (ala Aldon Smith as a blitzing SAM)
    [How's that for a Bermuda Triangle of death!]

    In Run Situations, we could possibly see:

    LDE Red Bryant
    LDT Michael Bennett (in that Jason Jones role)
    RDT Brandon Mebane


    So Michael Bennett is not only a lethal weapon rushing the passer ... he is also a terror to opposing running backs and a whale of an asset in the run defense. For $5 Million, the Seahawks just got themselves one heck of a Blue Light Special.
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  • Awesome stuff here.

    I think part of Red's injury problems have been due to wear and tear. He's played so many snaps.

    My guess is that par of Bennett's value is to spell Red, part of it is to play a typical DE in more typical 4-3 fronts, and to get some snaps inside on obvious passing downs.

    There's plenty of snaps for him, and it should benefit everyone on the line.
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  • GCrow wrote:
    Liz Mathews 710 ESPN ‏@Liz_Mathews
    Schneider said #Seahawks new DE @cliffavril fits at both Leo position and Sam LB.


    That was Schneider on John Clayton's radio show earlier today


    Ohhhh ... I LOVE being on the same wavelength as the GM. Just imagine the possibilities IF Chris Clemons comes back and is even close to his old self.

    Just envision a passing situation of ...

    LDE -- Bruce Irvin
    LDT -- Michael Bennett
    LEO -- Chris Clemons
    SAM -- Cliff Avril

    That's scarier than the most terrifying Wes Craven film he's ever made. :twisted:
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