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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Emmet Smith was correct, "This rule doesn't make any sense."


    Emmitt Smith probably isnt smart enough to know what the potential new rule is. Its only for leading with the helmet when outside of the tackle box. And it makes perfect sense. Why should RB's be able to lead with the helmet when defenders cannot? It will have no effect in short yardage situations and will have no effect on beast mode since he rarely leads with his head in the open field, preferring to give monster stiff arms.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Its only for leading with the helmet when outside of the tackle box. And it makes perfect sense. Why should RB's be able to lead with the helmet when defenders cannot?


    Seems reminescent of what MRob did in a game (can't remember which one) where he lowered his head and just ruined a corner...and then immediately went over to see if the guy was alright, looking real concerned. Is that what they're talking about here?
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  • gargantual wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Its only for leading with the helmet when outside of the tackle box. And it makes perfect sense. Why should RB's be able to lead with the helmet when defenders cannot?


    Seems reminescent of what MRob did in a game (can't remember which one) where he lowered his head and just ruined a corner...and then immediately went over to see if the guy was alright, looking real concerned. Is that what they're talking about here?


    I know the play youre talking about but can't remember if M Rob led with his head or not. The play I remember is Adrian Peterson spearing Early Thomas 20 yards down the field. Pissed ET off pretty badly.
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  • gargantual wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Its only for leading with the helmet when outside of the tackle box. And it makes perfect sense. Why should RB's be able to lead with the helmet when defenders cannot?


    Seems reminescent of what MRob did in a game (can't remember which one) where he lowered his head and just ruined a corner...and then immediately went over to see if the guy was alright, looking real concerned. Is that what they're talking about here?


    No. The play you mentioned was a shoulder to shoulder hit on Jennings from the Bears.
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  • I don't like the rule. The enforcement of the current helmet-to-helmet contact rule (the official name escapes me) has been inconsistent at best, and this would be no different, IMO.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
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    JSeahawks wrote:Its only for leading with the helmet when outside of the tackle box. And it makes perfect sense. Why should RB's be able to lead with the helmet when defenders cannot?


    Seems reminescent of what MRob did in a game (can't remember which one) where he lowered his head and just ruined a corner...and then immediately went over to see if the guy was alright, looking real concerned. Is that what they're talking about here?


    No. The play you mentioned was a shoulder to shoulder hit on Jennings from the Bears.

    Yup, that's the one. Da Bears game last year.

    I coulda sworn he lowered his head and hit with his helmet. (It made such an impression that maybe my mind was getting it mixed up with that Tatupu hit in the NFCC Game, which was a helmet to helmet cruncher!).

    Of course any way getting hit by Michael Robinson would be devastating to take!
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  • BAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


    Running backs are going to look so STUPID running around with their bodies straight up and down.


    If this passes, I will have lost all hope for the future of the NFL.
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  • It's spearing with your helmet not lowering your shoulders, using the crown of your helmet as a weapon type hit. If your lower your shoulders your head will follow and hit somwhere but not the noticable head dip to use the headbutt.

    All that being said in a moment of impact I'm sure the officials will screw this up more then get it right.
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  • Rog and the owners - as good as the game has been to them - what a bunch of scared little boys.

    They're so afraid of litigation they'll diminish the NFL until it's unrecognizable. No backbone. No line in the sand. I wish this would come back and bite them somehow, but they're too busy making money hand over to fist to care.
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  • Basically they want RBs to run like they want defenders to tackle - ie. no leading with the head, which is fine by me. I hate seeing running backs do to wannabee tacklers exactly what they're not allowed to do to the running backs.

    Fortunately Lynch doesn't run like that, he puts his head down and runs but he'll never use it to take a defender out (physically, mentally he takes defenders out all the time)
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  • This rule better not be passed. How is the running back supposed to protect himself if he has to keep his head up and be exposed to shots under the chin?

    It makes no sense!
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  • Jerhawk wrote:This rule better not be passed. How is the running back supposed to protect himself if he has to keep his head up and be exposed to shots under the chin?

    It makes no sense!


    You know how you make people stop leading with their head? Get rid of the helmets. Self preservation instincts will kick in.

    As iconic as the football helmet has become to the sport, it has caused (imo) just as many injuries as it has ever prevented.
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  • So, they are saying the running back should stop and say, you silly savage, you can tackle me after the game? Pathetic does not even describe this.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:They were talking about this on the radio the other day. It would only be in effect when the runner is outside of the tackle box. So would not be in effect on 3rd and 4th adn short situations or when running between the tackles.

    They're talking about plays like when Adrian Peterson speared Earl Thomas last year. I think its a good rule personally. And would not effect Beast Mode at all.


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  • I think this is more in line with their intentions.
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  • Basis4day wrote:

    I think this is more in line with their intentions.


    That was in the tackle box so would be allowed within the rules, from what I understand.
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  • What about a sweep or bubble screen are we talking about only out of the back field , that's just off the top of my head there's to many damn variables JSeahawks . There really making a big mistake if this goes through.
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  • General Manager wrote:What about a sweep or bubble screen are we talking about only out of the back field , that's just off the top of my head there's to many damn variables JSeahawks . There really making a big mistake if this goes through.


    When have you ever seen a guy lead with a helmet on a sweep or a bubble screen? They use stiff arms out in the open field 95% of the time.

    i really dont think this rule would have much impact at all.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    General Manager wrote:What about a sweep or bubble screen are we talking about only out of the back field , that's just off the top of my head there's to many damn variables JSeahawks . There really making a big mistake if this goes through.


    When have you ever seen a guy lead with a helmet on a sweep or a bubble screen? They use stiff arms out in the open field 95% of the time.

    i really dont think this rule would have much impact at all.



    Running backs lower there helmut out on the edge all the time they lower there helmut all the time period. RB's run threw people it's what there paid to do . This rule hopefully will not be endorsed.
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  • The other thing is RB get hit in the legs casing them to lower their head as the fight to stay upright. What are they going to do next, tell the D they can't hit a stumbling RB to keep from a helmet hit from said RB?
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  • CPHawk wrote:The other thing is RB get hit in the legs casing them to lower their head as the fight to sty upright. What are they going to do next, tell the d they can't hit a stumbling RB to keep from a helmet hit from said RB?



    It's like asking a human being to quit breathing air to save Oxygen. It's not possible to consistantly enforce this rule or for a RB not to lower his helmut.
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  • Well look for a Pete Banazak run, he was a player that was mean running and if I remember used his head. John Riggens as well, there is a reason a running back has a bleeding scar all season from the helmet gashing his face.
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  • GoHawks wrote:Pretty sure when you lower your shoulder your head will follow . . . not rocket science - figure it out NFL


    EXACTLY! your head is always ahead of your shoulders when moving forward. are they supposed to run backwards?
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  • Sturm wrote:I think all the players need to strike until Goodell is fired and thrown out the door on his ass.

    Or, all the former players need to stop suing the NFL for their "poor health" after football. It goes both ways.
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  • When they're done rbs are going to have to turn around and run backwards through the line with their pants down.
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  • I will have to admit things are getting way to touchy feely in the NFL. What if Boxers filed lawsuits because they got concussions and blamed the associations they fought for unsafe work conditions, or MMA fighters? I always go back to every one of them are aware that injuries happen in football, every one of them have been wearing a helmet since they started playing organized ball with the reason behind it being to "HELP" protect their head. Not guarantee protection.
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  • FargoHawk wrote:
    Sturm wrote:I think all the players need to strike until Goodell is fired and thrown out the door on his ass.

    Or, all the former players need to stop suing the NFL for their "poor health" after football. It goes both ways.


    I agree with FargoHawk just because I think Goodell is a complete joke for an NFL Commissioner. He blew the CBA negotiations with the players and the owners off until it was too late and the season was compromised, then screwed up the start of the next season by blowing off the CBA negotiations with the refs. His unwarranted fining of players for "illegal" hits without oversight from a 3rd party was a major issue. His constant panty-waisting of the sport is sickening. The exclusive rights contract with DirecTV for NFL Sunday Ticket was equivalent to stepping over 10 or 20 one dollar bills in order to pick up a five dollar bill and it put a huge damper on the NFL's market exposure. The mismanagement and misuse of NFL Europe is another good example of his incompetency. Goodell has severely damaged the substance of the game and replaced it with a bunch of smoke, mirrors and fireworks. He's an idiot... pure and simple.

    Anybody that plays football knows what they're risking. This is why high school players and college players have to sign forms acknowledging that the possibility of serious injury is a likely possibility, releasing the school from responsibility. Why aren't these players going back and suing their college or their high school for their poor health conditions? Because they know every football program in the country would shut down if athletes started suing the schools for poor health conditions down the road. I'm not going to pay money to watch guys play catch. Hitting is part of the sport. If the players and owners don't want to accept that as a reality and think they're going to eliminate that aspect of the game, eventually they're going to find themselves playing the game for free.
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  • The safety-crats can do anything(!) In the name of "safety" ! Soon they will outlaw the tiny helmets and then Hans type devices will find their way in.
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  • leading with the helmet or leading with the crown?
    I think everyone here who has played football has it drilled inside their head to never lead with the crown regardless of position.
    if by leading in with the facemask then offensive linemen do this every running play.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well look for a Pete Banazak run, he was a player that was mean running and if I remember used his head. John Riggens as well, there is a reason a running back has a bleeding scar all season from the helmet gashing his face.



    Ricky Watters used his head all the time.

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  • What the proposal would change: A 15-yard penalty would be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul.


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    I still contend that this is hardly a big deal and will be called maybe 10 times a season total.

    They're not saying it will be a penalty to lower your head when meeting contact. It will be a penalty to intentionally spear opposing tacklers.

    Good rule.
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  • brimsalabim wrote:


    yep, great find... If this rule passes that's a penalty instead of a first down.... :roll:


    Not a penalty because he leads with his facemask, not the crown of his helmet.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    What the proposal would change: A 15-yard penalty would be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul.


    http://www.nflevolution.com/article/Hea ... ent_stream

    I still contend that this is hardly a big deal and will be called maybe 10 times a season total.

    They're not saying it will be a penalty to lower your head when meeting contact. It will be a penalty to intentionally spear opposing tacklers.

    Good rule.


    if defensive spearing is illegal for neck injuries, then why isn't offensive spearing illegal?
    This penalty would have saved us a big run in the ATL game when Jaquizz speared Earl Thomas.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    What the proposal would change: A 15-yard penalty would be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul.


    http://www.nflevolution.com/article/Hea ... ent_stream

    I still contend that this is hardly a big deal and will be called maybe 10 times a season total.

    They're not saying it will be a penalty to lower your head when meeting contact. It will be a penalty to intentionally spear opposing tacklers.

    Good rule.


    This sounds like some ESPN mid-level management talking point.
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