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I find that how good a player is is best found by seeing what his old team's fans are saying about him leaving, and here are the links. Many are very bummed, while others are saying no big deal... but they care! Believe you me... I'm totally pumped about this deal. They all call him their second best player behind Peterson, and that's pretty damn good! Instantly puts our offense into lethal territory. Would be more pumped if we hadn't had to part with more than our first rounder. I trust our front office and Pete, so I totally endorse this deal. Now, lets get us some pass rushers! THAT will cement us as SB TOP contenders. Now is such a great time to be a Seahawks fan... We so deserve this! Training camp can't get here soon enough!!! *girlish squeal*

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PART II OF OUR REVENGE FOR THE STEVE HUTCHINSON DEBACLE!!!! BUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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PART II OF OUR REVENGE FOR THE STEVE HUTCHINSON DEBACLE MF'ERS!!!! BUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



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Not to spoil the party but this is a far cry from revenge. The Vikes actually scored huge on this deal. They get a bevy of picks for a player that was likely going to hold out and at the very least conduct himself like an absolute prick until traded. We still owe them for the Hutch thing and I look forward to owning their ass' for years to come.

For the record, I am stoked with this signing and understand we gave what we had to give. I have a feeling we're about to see the very best of Percy Harvin. RW will see to that. No way do we avg less than 30 per game in 13 (etc.). Add some pass rush and we could / should become an all-timer.


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Yeah, I don't see the revenge angle. Harvin was disgruntled, and Minnesota still managed to get a 1st, a 7th, and a mid-round pick next year for him. They didn't walk away empty-handed. Granted, their WR corps is completely trashed now, and they'll be taking on plenty of uncertainty in trying to replace Harvin, but they did okay in this deal. Better than they would have, in fact, if the 49ers hadn't been part of the push for Harvin.

What I find funny is that so many Vikes fans on some of those boards are convinced that Seahawks fans are upset over this trade. I'd put the overall vibe at .NET at about 90% positive and 10% negative. Sound about right?

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meh. Beyond the first rounder, the seventh ain't really nothin'. The mid-rounder next year concerns me more. Wish we could have avoided that. Our front office is going for it right now, big time. And I gotta say, I'm pretty f'ing excited by it. We're young enough as a team to toss a few picks around, and we have a few to throw around. I want a SuperBowl trophy NOW, and I hope they do whatever it takes to do it... Just for that season opener where we all get to witness the World Champion Banner unfurl from the rafters... My goosebumps would be so huge that I'd look like a porcupine! GO Front Office! Waste the salary cap and lets go for it RIGHT NOW!!!! We're THIS CLOSE!!!

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Yeah, I don't see the revenge angle. Harvin was disgruntled, and Minnesota still managed to get a 1st, a 7th, and a mid-round pick next year for him. They didn't walk away empty-handed. Granted, their WR corps is completely trashed now, and they'll be taking on plenty of uncertainty in trying to replace Harvin, but they did okay in this deal. Better than they would have, in fact, if the 49ers hadn't been part of the push for Harvin.

What I find funny is that so many Vikes fans on some of those boards are convinced that Seahawks fans are upset over this trade. I'd put the overall vibe at .NET at about 90% positive and 10% negative. Sound about right?


I didn't really mean that. I was just making a flippant response. But yeah, I'd put the positive at roughly 90%. What's not to like? I could see some people saying we were adequate at WR and should have broke the bank on a pass rush, and I would probably have agreed. But when a guy like Percy enters the coversation, ya gotta jump... Ya just gotta...

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I was hoping we'd get Harvin and Webb for our 1st, 5th and Flynn. In any event, right when you thought this team couldn't be much more fun to watch...we just got A LOT more fun to watch. ;) That's the good news. The bad news is this will surely be the longest off-season in (Seahawk fan) history.


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Yeah, I don't see the revenge angle. Harvin was disgruntled, and Minnesota still managed to get a 1st, a 7th, and a mid-round pick next year for him. They didn't walk away empty-handed. Granted, their WR corps is completely trashed now, and they'll be taking on plenty of uncertainty in trying to replace Harvin, but they did okay in this deal. Better than they would have, in fact, if the 49ers hadn't been part of the push for Harvin.

What I find funny is that so many Vikes fans on some of those boards are convinced that Seahawks fans are upset over this trade. I'd put the overall vibe at .NET at about 90% positive and 10% negative. Sound about right?


I didn't really mean that. I was just making a flippant response. But yeah, I'd put the positive at roughly 90%. What's not to like? I could see some people saying we were adequate at WR and should have broke the bank on a pass rush, and I would probably have agreed. But when a guy like Percy enters the coversation, ya gotta jump... Ya just gotta...


I couldn't agree more. Initially, I wanted to pass on the temptation because he was acting like a bitch. But the more I thought about the draft and prospects like Wallace, the more I warmed up to Harvin. When I saw the news today, I went thru the roof and decided to call it a 3 day weekend. ;)


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The bad news is this will surely be the longest off-season in (Seahawk fan) history.


I know huh?? It is complete torture. Mini-camp will be a slight fix before nirvana... HURRY UP SEASON DAMNIT!! :D

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HawkWow wrote:
The bad news is this will surely be the longest off-season in (Seahawk fan) history.


I know huh?? It is complete torture. Mini-camp will be a slight fix before nirvana... HURRY UP SEASON DAMNIT!! :D




It's going to be hateful. And worse, the first day of the draft just got a lot less exciting as well. The NFL is just too big and successful these days for an 8 month off season. It's insanity. We need 64 teams and a 4 month off-season, IMO.


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BTW...and regarding the topic: I got just one text from a Viking fan today. It read "good luck with your new headcase". I took the high road and wrote back..."Good luck in the play-offs". That was the end of that. ;)


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I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did. A #25 pick in a year where the 25th pick is almost as good as the 5th pick is, plus a 7th and a future mid rounder ("likely a 3rd"). Plus all the cap space saved. This is also a ridiculously loaded draft for WR. All of this for a player that had they kept him would have held out, played the minimum, and then left in 2014. This is a HUGE win for the Vikings, on par with the epic win the 49ers got when trading Smith.

From our end, I think the trade was worth it, but at an extremely heavy cost. So overall, I'd say that I'm supportive of the trade and I'm very excited to have Harvin in our offense, but I wouldn't have personally made it myself. Schefter hinted at Harvin getting close to $16 million per. If that's $13 or $14 million, factored with the draft pick cost, it's like trading 3 or 4 good players for Harvin. So he'd need to be King Shit for us just to break even. I think he will be, and Seattle is at a place on their roster where 1 elite player means way more than 1 good player since our roster is so incredibly good right now. Still, I think we did okay, I think they did outstanding. Win-win, but they won more than we did, IMO.


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I don't know, I see where you are coming from kearly but I also think you are way overrating some guys in this draft. Every year there are guys who over achieve and guys who bust, but I can't think of the last 20 something pick we had that worked out for us. Last 25 was Carp, and he's to be determined, but teetering on bust.


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Viking fan here. Just wanted to register to give my input as someone who has watched him play every game since he has come into the league. You are going to love him. It may seem like a big price to pay, but in terms of talent Percy is actually worth more than what you ended up giving up to get him in my opinion. Last year Peterson referred to himself and Percy as 'Jordan and Jordan', not 'Jordan and Pippen', which shows how highly he thinks of Percy cause we know high his expectations are for himself. As much as it might seem like a silly thing to say, Percy really was playing at or at least close to an MVP caliber level until he got hurt last year and it really did feel like I was watching a wr version of AP. He was leading the league in yds from scrimmage, and even still was doing so with a qb that was mediocre at best. Many of his catches were quick screens behind the line of scrimmage that he would turn into 10+ yd gains on his own by making 2 or 3 guys miss. Every kickoff he takes feels like it's going to the house. Playing with RW, I think the sky is the limit for him in terms of how productive he can be, because he'll have more opportunities to catch passes down the field.

Injuries are a concern with him not because he is injury prone, but because he is so difficult to bring down that it usually takes 2 or 3 guys or a huge hit to do so. He is incredibly tough. Several times last year you could tell he was playing hurt but he would always come back into the game. It's one of the things I came to love about watching him play every week is that you can really tell he leaves it all out on the field. That is until he finally stayed out after tearing a ligament in his ankle, but even still I think most people believe his placement on IR was more because his rift with coach Frazier than the actual injury. I'm really not sure why the rift got so bad, but if the change of scenery fixes it then you still got one heck of a deal to land him. As long as he is playing, he gives you everything he has and it's something that's pretty special to see. If Sea utilizes him downfield more often than the vikes did, which I imagine they will with RW, it should help him avoid taking some of the pounding he takes from starting so much of his work behind the line of scrimmage.


For myself I'm good with the trade because I had already mentally accepted the vikes would have to trade him, and so I'm satisfied with what they got for him. That being said I will miss watching him line up every week and I think you guys got a steal. I feel like I should root against him because of how he basically quit on the vikes, but I just love everything he brings to the field so much that I'm not sure i'll be able to do that. I like the team you guys have put together a lot.


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I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did. A #25 pick in a year where the 25th pick is almost as good as the 5th pick is, plus a 7th and a future mid rounder ("likely a 3rd"). Plus all the cap space saved. This is also a ridiculously loaded draft for WR. All of this for a player that had they kept him would have held out, played the minimum, and then left in 2014. This is a HUGE win for the Vikings, on par with the epic win the 49ers got when trading Smith.

From our end, I think the trade was worth it, but at an extremely heavy cost. So overall, I'd say that I'm supportive of the trade and I'm very excited to have Harvin in our offense, but I wouldn't have personally made it myself. Schefter hinted at Harvin getting close to $16 million per. If that's $13 or $14 million, factored with the draft pick cost, it's like trading 3 or 4 good players for Harvin. So he'd need to be King Shit for us just to break even. I think he will be, and Seattle is at a place on their roster where 1 elite player means way more than 1 good player since our roster is so incredibly good right now. Still, I think we did okay, I think they did outstanding. Win-win, but they won more than we did, IMO.



My feelings exactly. When I heard 1st and 7th...I was pleasantly surprized. Then they casually mentioned the mid rd next year...almost in passing, and I was like...say what? I'm cool with it largely because of Wilson. I can't think of a better toy for RW.


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Viking fan here. Just wanted to register to give my input as someone who has watched him play every game since he has come into the league. You are going to love him. It may seem like a big price to pay, but in terms of talent Percy is actually worth more than what you ended up giving up to get him in my opinion. Last year Peterson referred to himself and Percy as 'Jordan and Jordan', not 'Jordan and Pippen', which shows how highly he thinks of Percy cause we know high his expectations are for himself. As much as it might seem like a silly thing to say, Percy really was playing at or at least close to an MVP caliber level until he got hurt last year and it really did feel like I was watching a wr version of AP. He was leading the league in yds from scrimmage, and even still was doing so with a qb that was mediocre at best. Many of his catches were quick screens behind the line of scrimmage that he would turn into 10+ yd gains on his own by making 2 or 3 guys miss. Every kickoff he takes feels like it's going to the house. Playing with RW, I think the sky is the limit for him in terms of how productive he can be, because he'll have more opportunities to catch passes down the field.

Injuries are a concern with him not because he is injury prone, but because he is so difficult to bring down that it usually takes 2 or 3 guys or a huge hit to do so. He is incredibly tough. Several times last year you could tell he was playing hurt but he would always come back into the game. It's one of the things I came to love about watching him play every week is that you can really tell he leaves it all out on the field. That is until he finally stayed out after tearing a ligament in his ankle, but even still I think most people believe his placement on IR was more because his rift with coach Frazier than the actual injury. I'm really not sure why the rift got so bad, but if the change of scenery fixes it then you still got one heck of a deal to land him. As long as he is playing, he gives you everything he has and it's something that's pretty special to see. If Sea utilizes him downfield more often than the vikes did, which I imagine they will with RW, it should help him avoid taking some of the pounding he takes from starting so much of his work behind the line of scrimmage.


For myself I'm good with the trade because I had already mentally accepted the vikes would have to trade him, and so I'm satisfied with what they got for him. That being said I will miss watching him line up every week and I think you guys got a steal. I feel like I should root against him because of how he basically quit on the vikes, but I just love everything he brings to the field so much that I'm not sure i'll be able to do that. I like the team you guys have put together a lot.

Classy post. Thanks for the insight fellow Vikings fan.

I'm excited for Harvin in our offense! I've heard he's a "diva" or "headcase" but it will help that he will have a familiar face lining up on the other side in Sidney Rice.


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Thanks for the post chimpston17. I knew we were getting someone special, and you helped confirm it. I was worried about the injury thing, but I'm not worried anymore. Hope you have good luck with your picks that you got... maybe we'll cross paths in the playoffs soon! c'ya soon! BT

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I have a hunch (and so does the FO) that Harvin the "headcase" will do for us what Dillon the "headcase" did for NE. IF Harvin plays the diva in Seattle, he will hold that moniker for eternity. IF he plays his heart out, he can put the messy past on Minnesota. His agent is wisely advising him of this right now.


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I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did. A #25 pick in a year where the 25th pick is almost as good as the 5th pick is, plus a 7th and a future mid rounder ("likely a 3rd"). Plus all the cap space saved. This is also a ridiculously loaded draft for WR. All of this for a player that had they kept him would have held out, played the minimum, and then left in 2014. This is a HUGE win for the Vikings, on par with the epic win the 49ers got when trading Smith.

From our end, I think the trade was worth it, but at an extremely heavy cost. So overall, I'd say that I'm supportive of the trade and I'm very excited to have Harvin in our offense, but I wouldn't have personally made it myself. Schefter hinted at Harvin getting close to $16 million per. If that's $13 or $14 million, factored with the draft pick cost, it's like trading 3 or 4 good players for Harvin. So he'd need to be King Shit for us just to break even. I think he will be, and Seattle is at a place on their roster where 1 elite player means way more than 1 good player since our roster is so incredibly good right now. Still, I think we did okay, I think they did outstanding. Win-win, but they won more than we did, IMO.


This is kind of where I'm at. Minnesota did well and their fans should be very happy. There are a lot of wide receivers in this draft and they might be able to come away with Tavon Austin and Justin Hunter or a similar pair that would really improve their receiving corp.

For me though, the 25th pick in itself isn't bad, except that we need DL so bad and if Jarvis Jones falls to 25 because of his stenosis, I'll be really upset. I love Corey Lemonier and I have a feeling he'll be long gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Add to that, if Percy is given a huge contract and we start losing some key parts of the Legion of Boom because of it, I'll be really upset.

A lot of how this turns out is dependent upon luck. If Percy stays healthy throughout the season and doesn't take a big hit over the middle, that will be a plus. If Percy doesn't demand Calvin Johnson money (one rumor is that he used that as a bargaining ploy to get out of Minne) and we are able to sign our own over the next 1 to 3 years, that will be a good thing. If we get a great defensive lineman at 58, that will be yet another huge bonus.

The Viking fans have every reason to be happy, they got a first, a seventh and a 3/4 round pick for someone that may have held out and might be gone next year. They can turn those picks in to 3 players that they will have for the next 3 plus years.

Seahawks fans like me on the other hand are cautiously optimistic. A lot will depend on the contract. Listening to Hill and Schlereth today, Mark Schlereth said "10% of the players get 90% of the money and the other 10% has to be split up between the remaining 90% of the players." IMAHO, that's no way to run a team, and no way to win a Superbowl.

I hope Percy was just trying to force his way out of Minnesota and doesn't really want Larry Fitzgerald money, but instead just wants to play on a contender and for a coach that is fun to play for.

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Watching Vikings PLAYER reactions, tells me they feel they lost a great one, they are not happy.

To that locker room, I think it's as devastating as our Hutchinson loss.

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Watching Vikings PLAYER reactions, tells me they feel they lost a great one, they are not happy.

To that locker room, I think it's as devastating as our Hutchinson loss.


To the veterans, yes. But the future just got brighter for the youngsters of Minnesota.


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Thanks for the post Decimation. I knew we were getting someone special, and you helped confirm it. I was worried about the injury thing, but I'm not worried anymore. Hope you have good luck with your picks that you got... maybe we'll cross paths in the playoffs soon! c'ya soon! BT



He had those migraine issues his first 2 years in the league which I think hampered him, but he seems to have that under control as I didn't hear anything about it this past year. He seems to have found a way to transfer it into headaches for vikings brass instead haha. I'm not really sure what the problem was, I'm guessing it was a mixture of conservative playcalling and a qb that didn't allow him to be as productive down the field as he should be. You're definitely getting a special player with elite talent.


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I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


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Harvin is better than whatever 1st round pick plus the 7th we would have gotten this year. We had a 2nd 7th rounder this year anyways.

I think we went overboard with the mid round pick next year. We've found some really good talent in the mid rounds and especially since we are going to have to PAY Percy, we won't have the pick to cheaply fill out the roster. That pick will sting.

That said, I like what Percy can bring. I have images of a 3 WR set with Harvin, Rice, Tate and keeping the defense honest. Miller can do well and essentially, we always have at least 2 runners in the backfield, 3 with Robinson. Yeah, the offensive possibilities look pretty good. Now if we can just get Harvin up here catching balls from Wilson to get a jump start we'd be set.

On that note, is Harvin's ankle healed? What is the current status?


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I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)


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I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


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I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)


The Migraines were very legitimate, they came mostly in his rookie season and to a lesser extent in his second season. Both years were with Favre. He had sleep apnea, and some other issues that I'm blanking on right now. But after seeing many specialists, getting hooked up with a sleep apnea mask and meds, etc. the migraines disappeared. There hasn't been even a mention of them since 2010.


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saxmachine69 wrote:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


Sorry, I stopped reading when I got to "Seahags". This rendered the rest of your novel useless.

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I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.


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I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)



No he had migraine issues in his rookie year while Favre came in and was having his fantastic year. For the most part the migraines didn't cause him to miss games, he would tough it out, but it just caused him to miss a lot of practices. And no I don't think he was using it as an excuse to miss practice lol, the migraine issues were legit for him but he seems to have it under control now.


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saxmachine69 wrote:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.



Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat


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HawkWow wrote:
I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)


The Migraines were very legitimate, they came mostly in his rookie season and to a lesser extent in his second season. Both years were with Favre. He had sleep apnea, and some other issues that I'm blanking on right now. But after seeing many specialists, getting hooked up with a sleep apnea mask and meds, etc. the migraines disappeared. There hasn't been even a mention of them since 2010.


With migraines not something an observer would be able to detect, I was concerned (paranoid) he was using them as an excuse. Now I know better. Thanks!


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saxmachine69 wrote:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy


You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.



Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat


I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .


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Kearly wrote: "I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did."

I almost always agree with Kearly, usually because I get most of my Hawks'knowledge and consequently my opinions from him in the first place. However, on this one, I totally disagree that Minnesota got the better end of this deal. I agree this is a deep draft at #25 and later, a draft without obvious top ten players, making the 25th pick perhaps as good as a top ten pick this year.

That is not the test here. If Percy Harvin were available in ANY draft, knowing his true NFL skill set, he would be a top 5 pick. If he got thrown onto the pile in this year's draft, he might well be selected 1st overall. He is exactly the kind of game-change player that this draft is lacking.

Many (not Kearly, mind you) have come to this board quite prepared to give away a 2nd rounder to move up to even 10 or 12. That is certainly conventional value.

What PC/JS have done is the equivalent of move into the top 5 in a strong draft by trading the 25th and a 3rd next year (that should be very close to a 4th, hopefully). Assuming the Vikings' picks are competent, we have effectively traded an above average starter and an average one for a huge talent. We are not trading away our draft either this year or next.

I am pumped about this trade. We cannot lose sight of the fact Harvin is only 24 years old. He has a whole NFL career ahead of him. Both this year and next, he will be an advertisement for free agents who want to join a top tier team that we are serious contenders. Hands up all the top level free agents keen to sign on with the Vikings based on this trade?

On the Vikings boards, the preponderance of opinion is that Harvin is easily their 2nd best player after AP and that Harvin probably inflated Ponder's QB stats. Ponder's most quaint nickname is "Popgun". That might not impress Wallace, Jennings, etc. The best post, in reply to one that said "Harvin wants $$ and a good QB" said "Got 'em".

We just got a team's 2nd best player who is only 24. Who is our 2nd best who is that young? Sherman? Thomas? Okung? Wilson? Are any of these guys NOT worth a late 1st and later 3rd? Would you trade any of them for this year's 25th and a next-year's-96th?

So, Kearly, I probably owe you a beer or two anyways for the entertainment value of your contributions alone. But if the Vikings' 25th this year and 96th next year have a greater collective impact on wins for them than Harvin's impact on wins for the Hawks, I will buy you one beer more.

And even if I'm wrong, the entertainment value alone of watching Harvin at the CLink 12 games a year (pre-season and playoffs included) makes this a great trade. But I'm not wrong.


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You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.



Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat


I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .


Ok well believe what you will. I'm telling you from a Vikings fan perspective, I've watched him play for 4 years, I've seen him with Ponder/Favre/Webb/McNabb/TJack. He has always been best in short areas, never really a deep threat down field. He can go down field, don't get me wrong, it's just not where his ideal strength is.

I don't even know why you are being defensive, I've said he's a top 5 WR. He's just a different breed of WR then many of you seem to view him as. There is no reason for him to run deep routes, it's not what he's good at, and he can get just as much yardage out of a bubble screen or drag route over the middle. That's what he does, he makes huge plays out of nothing. He's YAC guy.

As for Ponder, I never said he didn't "suck". But he wasn't holding Percy back, he threw the ball to him every chance he could. Percy was Ponders only target other than Rudolph.


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You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.



Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat


I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .


Ok well believe what you will. I'm telling you from a Vikings fan perspective, I've watched him play for 4 years, I've seen him with Ponder/Favre/Webb/McNabb/TJack. He has always been best in short areas, never really a deep threat down field. He can go down field, don't get me wrong, it's just not where his ideal strength is.

I don't even know why you are being defensive, I've said he's a top 5 WR. He's just a different breed of WR then many of you seem to view him as. There is no reason for him to run deep routes, it's not what he's good at, and he can get just as much yardage out of a bubble screen or drag route over the middle. That's what he does, he makes huge plays out of nothing. He's YAC guy.

As for Ponder, I never said he didn't "suck". But he wasn't holding Percy back, he threw the ball to him every chance he could. Percy was Ponders only target other than Rudolph.[/quote]

Well now he's a consistent down-field threat cause Russell Wilson's deep ball has MOOOOOOJOOOOO! :mrgreen:


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I think my issue was you said he's not a number1 WR well yes he is. He's only 24 he has his whole career in front of him the book on Harvin is only in chapter 3 of 12 chapters , and i know he's going to stretch the field here in Seattle because Wilson was one of the most accurate QB's in the game last year in his first season and he's only going to get better.


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What I meant by that, and believe me it's an argument you'll see on a lot of Vikings message boards, is Harvin is not your "typical" #1 WR. Vikings fans have been really hoping for an outside the numbers WR, even with Harvin. He doesn't stretch the field the same way a real outside the numbers WR does. I understand you guys are loving your QB right now, the kid looks to be something special, but that doesn't really change who Percy is.

Again, you guys will soon see what I'm talking about, because what Percy does is unbelievable. He's just a whole different beast than what you typically see in the NFL. I think with Wilson's ability to extend plays with his feet, Percy's game is going to be that much scarier though. Because when defenses have to stop Wilson running, that's going to free up Percy, and if you give Percy the ball with space in an over pursued defense, LOOK OUT!


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thanks for your insight! i hope PC can fix his attitude problem. The radio said if Harvin enter this year draft, he would be no. 1 choice. so i guess #25+7th round and 3 or 4th round next year < first overall pick this year. I am excited about this coming season. Can't wait for opening day.

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I don't know, I see where you are coming from kearly but I also think you are way overrating some guys in this draft. Every year there are guys who over achieve and guys who bust, but I can't think of the last 20 something pick we had that worked out for us. Last 25 was Carp, and he's to be determined, but teetering on bust.


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A first, 7th and "conditional"3rd is just fine compensation for a 24 year old reciever the likes of Harvin. The only reason they didn't get more was the elephant-sized contract in the corner of the room

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I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did. A #25 pick in a year where the 25th pick is almost as good as the 5th pick is, plus a 7th and a future mid rounder ("likely a 3rd"). Plus all the cap space saved. This is also a ridiculously loaded draft for WR. All of this for a player that had they kept him would have held out, played the minimum, and then left in 2014. This is a HUGE win for the Vikings, on par with the epic win the 49ers got when trading Smith.

From our end, I think the trade was worth it, but at an extremely heavy cost. So overall, I'd say that I'm supportive of the trade and I'm very excited to have Harvin in our offense, but I wouldn't have personally made it myself. Schefter hinted at Harvin getting close to $16 million per. If that's $13 or $14 million, factored with the draft pick cost, it's like trading 3 or 4 good players for Harvin. So he'd need to be King Shit for us just to break even. I think he will be, and Seattle is at a place on their roster where 1 elite player means way more than 1 good player since our roster is so incredibly good right now. Still, I think we did okay, I think they did outstanding. Win-win, but they won more than we did, IMO.


What many have been saying since the playoffs was that we don't have that one wide receiver that can put true fear in the opposing defense. In one move that has changed to our favor. This can be the equivalent of an extra 7-10 points a game. Considering that we lost almost every game last year by a touchdown or less this could be the difference in us making the Super Bowl game, and in fact winning it. That makes it worth it in my book. Also, just think how this will help our defense when we can jump out to even larger leads and the opposing teams have to play serious catchup in every game. That plays even more to our defense who will be much better rested with the offense having longer drives.

Who knows. Perhaps we even do the unthinkable and roll off an undefeated season. That would be epic!


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