Well, if you are just moving money around that doesn't really help us. We aren't up tight against the cap right now- we just need to look for ways to streamline the roster so that we have money to spend for years to come. X amount of money is still X amount of money even if you change it's shape, especially in the new CBA which has a rolling cap structure.

As far as suggesting less money for more guaranteed money, I think that's a good idea, but a player will probably refuse it if he feels he's secure on the roster and is going to earn his base salary anyway.

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Would be interested to hear some of the thoughts of those against (or moderately to severely concerned about) the Harvin deal?

Personally i applaud the move, but recognize the pitfalls. Living in MN and listening to Vikes fan justify the trade isnt exactly beneficial.

Thoughts?

I smell a thread merge.

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On the flip side of this Kip, I think you are way over estimating the COST of trading away these picks, and whatever contract Harvin will sign. "3 players from draft alone" is extremely misleading because we are getting arguably a better player out of that ONE pick than we would for all three. The 2-3 players from the financial side isn't a known factor either, because their is NO guarantee those players would stick around in FA or that the team would want those contracts to begin with. This is not a "blockbuster" trade in the way you are making it out to be, this is essentially us using that 1st round draft pick on Harvin, and sliding Minny a mid round pick and a 7th round pick for compensation. You cannot factor out what you believe to be unimportant, while over emphasizing the things you think are.




I will take the names with a grain of salt because, KC is the only guy on that list that would be hard for me to swallow. Even then, Kam is replaceable. As for your last sentence, you are incorrect. It doesn't have to be comparable in TALENT just in CAP SPACE. You are trying to equate the two, which is extremely naive. As the Hawks have shown, this last year in particular, talent and the amount of money you spend don't have to be correlated. This front office has shown they know how to get talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball (where you have most of your cuts/losses at), cheaply and affectively. Draft well, and this will NOT be a problem, with the way contracts have gone with the CBA.



Like most everything else you have said, this is conjecture that is essentially a scare tactic. What if, what if, what if. None of these things HAVE to be true, and even IF Seattle feels the need to jump back into the first round, they have a penchant for acquiring draft picks. Rounding off my point above, another way to deal with players that have large contracts looming, you can trade them before their contracts are up. In fact, that is how the most successful teams have done it. Keep the nucleus, trade the ones you can't/won't pay, and keep moving on.




Reworking is never a given, but neither is anything else you are saying here. A lot of churning of the wheels for no reason, when most of these problems are at least a year or two away. I haven't seen anything from this front office that makes me think they will get caught with their pants down, and it is surprising to me to see someone of your insight into the team question that. These aren't the same guys that trade for CBJ.

So while some of us maybe naive for underestimating the impact, that cloth cuts both ways with the nervousness you are portraying here.

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Need to see the contract details in a couple of hours before this question can begin to be assessed.

did I miss a thread? I looked (not real hard tbf). The Harvin trade thread is 27 pages, but isnt specific. Figured this would be just for anyone against it.

Well with a topic like this, I am certain it will get merged. The topic of whether we like it or not is a by product of the trade itself, which has 27 pages. Maybe a poll would be a better choice?

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I like some of the deal, the fact he will play for us is outstanding, HOWEVER we paid too damn much for him, considering what the 49ers did. I think we could have got him less the first round pick, ie- a couple middle round picks. Our GM finally got took

That might cost us those players... the fact that we already have a solid team with few glaring holes likely means that instead of drafting players then cutting them, we can draft players and keep them. Also no way will Kam Chancellor cost 7m a year, there are only 7 safeties in the entire league earning more than 5m next year. Maybe Kam will want paid like a top 5 safety, but the likelihood is he'll "settle" for around 4m a year (average salary of the 10th highest paid safety in the league).

I think this math is flawed

1) You just got a player just earlier than the draft so to me that reduces the number of players to two
2) Very likely that the 7th rounder doesn't make the 53-man roster team so now you are looking at 2 or maybe 1 player only that you lost
3) Those 1 or 2 players are at a risk. They could be good they could be horrible. Here the risk is replaced with injury risk (like all players have) but you know the guy can play in this league

4) you would have paid those draft picks as well so you can't just count three guys salary on the team and not count the money spent on the first round and 4th rounder (I am assuming 7th rounder gets cut)

Sure there is a cost - there always is but it isn't 3 guys in the draft and 3 others on the team.

Check out the following thread with poll. Most people are voting positive about the Percy Harvin trade.

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66344

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The niners are getting a possession receiver at the end of his career, while we're getting one of the best receivers / playmakers in the game today.

I think a lot of fans still aren't aware of how big of an acquisition this was. With the time that RW can buy with his legs, no DB in the league will be able to stick Percy for that long. They're going to make so many plays.

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Its doubtful there is a WR at pick 25 or whatever that is as ready as Harvin will be. He is only 24-5 years old. If you look at him as the first round pick, its a great move. The 7th rounder probably doesn't help the team this year or next. The Seahawks have set themselves up to "win now" . Its a good to great move (assuming PH doesn't turn into a malcontent that he was in Minny)

The value of giving away those draft picks is probably equivalent to moving up 4-5 spots in the first round (going by the fact that we got a 4th and 6th round pick for moving down from 12 to 15), which is very good value for Harvin if he's as good as you believe he is.

Those picks turned into Jeremy Lane and Jaye Howard. Now say what you want about that, but would anyone say we overpaid if we moved those 2 over to Minnesota with our 1st round pick?

No. We weren't the only ones in on Harvin. We actually beat out the 9ers for his services, barely. This isn't a video game, stop acting like Schneider and Carroll didn't know the market.

You're wrong though, Harvin would not be a Hawk right now had we offered "a couple middle round picks"

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Was hoping for rationale not a vote... thanks

Yes, I think someone worked it out to be like moving up to the 22nd-23rd pick. If Harvin was in this draft, he would be LONG gone before then.

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If we win the superbowl this year I don't care if we pay him 20 million

Juries still out for me. I re-watched the Vikings game from last season and he got hurt in the third quarter but he didn't really give me much to go off of before that.

That game may have contributed to the end of his season? I'll reserve final judgement until I see who we lose over this.

I'm not worried about the 7th round pick because there are ways of acquiring those. Off the top of my head, I think we had like four 7th round picks anyway. It's almost like a preferred UDFA.

The mid-rounder is of more concern, obviously, but it seems like our front office tries to get a certain number of picks per draft. I am sure they will do something to add picks next year to replace it, if need be.

I don't see Harvin as injury prone. He had a problem last year, but he is young. I wouldn't think it will be a problem going forward. A player like Harvin may be of more value to this offense than anybody outside of Calvin Johnson and one or two other elite receivers. He fits in with what we like to do on offense.

I would love to see us get a great outside receiver, but you add what you can, when you can.

Overall, I am glad we pulled the trigger.