UPDATE: Seahawks traded for Percy Harvin

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    Lords of Scythia wrote:Somewhere out there, Harbaugh is having a temper tantrum.....
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    Ha ha. That boy sho nuff is soiling hisself.

    Looks like a temper-tantrum toddler in an adult's body.



    Lol.. As a Die Hard 49er fan I can flat out tell you Jim is not worried at all about Seattle or Pete The Cheat Carroll. Love how you guys go out and overspend for overrated talent and we Niners spend far less( 6th round pick) and got a much better player and deal.
    Will Harvin even play a full season? Or will be become a diva? Or will his headaches comeback in the loudest stadium in sports? Will his ankle hold up? Way to many questions... Too many question...We both have squads and this is gonna be a bloodbath next season.. I just think SF took all your heat with one move. It went from Seattle made a trade too Percy who? Within 20 mins.

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  • Shadowhawk wrote:
    w00t wrote:i heard the niners were interested in Harvin. I wonder if we tried to give our 2nd round pick for him but the niners countered with the 2nd round pick they got from alex smith trade (which is an early 2nd rd pick). Then we threw our 1st rounder in there. hmm


    That would make sense. There's no doubt that the Niners (or whomever) drove the price up.

    BTW, per Pro Football Talk, the contract is essentially set:

    "Despite a report that Harvin wants to be paid in the range of Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald and Lions receiver Calvin Johnson, both of those players are in the range of $16 million. Per the source, Harvin’s deal won’t be close.

    In reality, Harvin’s deal will be more in line with the current one-up high-jump that began last year with Bucs receiver Vincent Jackson with five years, $55.5 million, and which was extended by Chiefs wideout Dwayne Bowe and his five-year, $56 million deal."

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/11/harvin-contract-in-place-deal-hinges-on-physical/


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  • I bet Bevell and Rice got HUGE smiles on now. Hawks fans who think this team had swagger are gonna be in for a real surprise.
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  • I'm encouraged by PFT's source that says his deal will be in line with that second tier of WRs. Hope they are legit.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
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    Lol.. As a Die Hard 49er fan I can flat out tell you Jim is not worried at all about Seattle or Pete The Cheat Carroll. Love how you guys go out and overspend for overrated talent and we Niners spend far less( 6th round pick) and got a much better player and deal.
    Will Harvin even play a full season? Or will be become a diva? Or will his headaches comeback in the loudest stadium in sports? Will his ankle hold up? Way to many questions... Too many question...We both have squads and this is gonna be a bloodbath next season.. I just think SF took all your heat with one move. It went from Seattle made a trade too Percy who? Within 20 mins.

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    This 49ers fans super bowl loss still rips at his heart, that being said lets state the obvious logical thing and we all should agree.

    Boldin is a better WR and they got him for less. Oh well.

    Percy Harvin is a risk and I thought we were done taking chances on maybe talent (see Irvin... even though he had a good year)

    As a Gator Fan all Harvin was about was himself and we already have one of those guys in Sherman. If the team wants to win, someone is going to need to step up and put people in their place when shit hits the fan.

    That being said good move but I'm not as ecstatic as I would have been if Boldin "sure hands" had arrived here.
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  • I feel like it should also be stated Harvin has the most pure raw talent maybe in the NFL behind AP so theres that but eh... I feel like this is a 50/50 type of deal.

    San Francisco was the ONE place I didn't want Boldin to go to.

    Also Harvin had this:

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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:I feel like it should also be stated Harvin has the most pure raw talent maybe in the NFL behind AP so theres that but eh... I feel like this is a 50/50 type of deal.

    San Francisco was the ONE place I didn't want Boldin to go to.


    Boldin is repetitive for the niners. Why do you fear him?
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  • In the end I think this is a huge turning point for this franchise, we are now a destination team that players want to be at. 15 years ago NE was just like Seattle nobody wanted to go their unless it was for overmarket. They are now a reimer destination for older vets who are in thier last few years and want a shot at a championship. We are on the cusp and few budget signings on the DL and we are set. I wonder if we can still afford Dez Bryant, if not I'd still be happy with Abraham and Seymore.
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    SeaStar49 wrote:Lol.. As a Die Hard 49er fan I can flat out tell you Jim is not worried at all about Seattle or Pete The Cheat Carroll. Love how you guys go out and overspend for overrated talent and we Niners spend far less( 6th round pick) and got a much better player and deal.
    Will Harvin even play a full season? Or will be become a diva? Or will his headaches comeback in the loudest stadium in sports? Will his ankle hold up? Way to many questions... Too many question...We both have squads and this is gonna be a bloodbath next season.. I just think SF took all your heat with one move. It went from Seattle made a trade too Percy who? Within 20 mins.

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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
    NFSeahawks628 wrote:I feel like it should also be stated Harvin has the most pure raw talent maybe in the NFL behind AP so theres that but eh... I feel like this is a 50/50 type of deal.

    San Francisco was the ONE place I didn't want Boldin to go to.


    Boldin is repetitive for the niners. Why do you fear him?


    I'm not sure what him being repetitive means, but he's an amazing slot receiver and he just won a super bowl, he's less of a headache and is probably more of a guaranteed talent than Harvin and he went to the 49ers, anyone the 49ers get that makes them better concerns me. That being said Harvin's talent level is ridiculously high, so good deal but...

    I really feel like WR was a secondary need, we need more dominant pass rushers. Get it done Pete!
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:This 49ers fans super bowl loss still rips at his heart, that being said lets state the obvious logical thing and we all should agree.

    Boldin is a better WR and they got him for less. Oh well.

    Percy Harvin is a risk and I thought we were done taking chances on maybe talent (see Irvin... even though he had a good year)

    As a Gator Fan all Harvin was about was himself and we already have one of those guys in Sherman. If the team wants to win, someone is going to need to step up and put people in their place when shit hits the fan.

    That being said good move but I'm not as ecstatic as I would have been if Boldin "sure hands" had arrived here.



    Wait, you think Boldin at this stage of his career is better than Percy Harvin? I'd like to hear your reasoning on that.

    Besides disagreeing with you that Sherman is only about himself, I think team is in fine position leadership wise with Russell and the rest of the team. There weren't any major issues last year and I highly doubt one player is going to wreck the team in that regard.
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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:
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    NFSeahawks628 wrote:I feel like it should also be stated Harvin has the most pure raw talent maybe in the NFL behind AP so theres that but eh... I feel like this is a 50/50 type of deal.

    San Francisco was the ONE place I didn't want Boldin to go to.


    Boldin is repetitive for the niners. Why do you fear him?


    I'm not sure what him being repetitive means, but he's an amazing slot receiver and he just won a super bowl, he's less of a headache and is probably more of a guaranteed talent than Harvin and he went to the 49ers, anyone the 49ers get that makes them better concerns me. That being said Harvin's talent level is ridiculously high, so good deal but...

    I really feel like WR was a secondary need, we need more dominant pass rushers. Get it done Pete!


    He is an older crabtree. Not only that, his strengths as a wide receiver line up perfectly with our cornerbacks strengths.
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  • Happybelly wrote:
    HawkFan72 wrote:This 49ers fans super bowl loss still rips at his heart, that being said lets state the obvious logical thing and we all should agree.

    Boldin is a better WR and they got him for less. Oh well.

    Percy Harvin is a risk and I thought we were done taking chances on maybe talent (see Irvin... even though he had a good year)

    As a Gator Fan all Harvin was about was himself and we already have one of those guys in Sherman. If the team wants to win, someone is going to need to step up and put people in their place when shit hits the fan.

    That being said good move but I'm not as ecstatic as I would have been if Boldin "sure hands" had arrived here.



    Wait, you think Boldin at this stage of his career is better than Percy Harvin? I'd like to hear your reasoning on that.

    Besides disagreeing with you that Sherman is only about himself, I think team is in fine position leadership wise with Russell and the rest of the team. There weren't any major issues last year and I highly doubt one player is going to wreck the team in that regard.


    Yes I think he's better, for reasons stated above, sure hes older but so what. I think Harvin has the ability to be a great player if he wants to, but he's also got the ability to become a headache and a team cancer. I will agree though you're right if anyone is able to handle it, it's definitely Russell. I hope it all works out but I'll wait and see for things to play about before I deem this the best move we could have made.
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  • I'l go ahead and call this the best move we've ever made. The only reason harvin had problems is because he wants to win and he knows the vikings aren't winners, they're about christian ponder, harvin plays at another speed and another intensity both of which I don't think we've seen here, ever.
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  • My god, the wacks really come out of the wood work for these deals... I think I found about 52 new ones to "ignore" from this thread alone...
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  • When I see guys post "cautiously optimistic" I take that as ..... I want to say "I told you so" if it doesn't work....or ride the hype train when it does. Weak sauce.

    LawlessHawk wrote:My god, the wacks really come out of the wood work for these deals... I think I found about 52 new ones to "ignore" from this thread alone...


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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:I really feel like WR was a secondary need, we need more dominant pass rushers. Get it done Pete!


    We still have some work to do in that regard, definitely, but if Harvin is as productive here as he was in Minnesota, we just helped our pass rush. Statistically, we had a better defense in 2006 than we did in 2005. But the 2005 defense made more plays and forced more turnovers because opposing teams had to play from behind for nearly the entire season. If our offense with Harvin is as good as some believe it will be, the same thing will happen in 2013, and we will be able to be more aggressive rushing the passer because teams will have to play from behind against us.

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  • I was pro trading for harvin back when there was just speculation, but I was also very pro 6'2+WR in the draft. I could still see both but I think we are going to add TE who can catch to this offense. I'd love to get Jordan Reed or Gavin Escobar in the 2nd or 3rd and wow would our offense be exciting.
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  • If we draft a TE now it is to create salary room.... Don't see it happening

    I suspect six defensive players in the draft, one kicker and one offensive line player

    We just spent our first round so guess we can't bid on Victor Cruz :)
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  • I dont think we're quite as set on the OL as people like to think. If the DL player we want is not there when when we are ready to pick in any paticular round, I can easily see us choosing OL because this draft is loaded with good OL talent.
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  • Man a good TE paired with Miller would just be killer. Think NE's dual TE's, think Harvin=walker, Rice+Tate better than NE's WR's, Lynch better than NE's RB's. Brady still a little better but almost=RW.

    The offense would be stupid good. I still want a TE, we have to plan for the future and Zach might not be worth his contract next year.
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  • SeaStar's post made my night. "Already crownd" is going to be added to my signature.
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  • Didn't realize Sherman was all about himself. Those type of players almost always cause havoc in the locker room. Interesting that he's so well-liked on the team.
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  • *cough cough, Carpenter was at #25, cough cough*

    You're right, dude is a massive talent, and only 24 years old. No way in hell we get someone at his level at the bottom of first round.
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  • Mods, can we get a hold on all the new threads? It seems like 80% have something to do with Harvin.
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  • -The Glove- wrote:Didn't realize Sherman was all about himself. Those type of players almost always cause havoc in the locker room. Interesting that he's so well-liked on the team.


    Huh? What did Sherman say?
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  • Hawken-Dazs wrote:
    -The Glove- wrote:Didn't realize Sherman was all about himself. Those type of players almost always cause havoc in the locker room. Interesting that he's so well-liked on the team.


    Huh? What did Sherman say?

    Nothing lately...it was a sarcastic response to another poster saying Sherman is all about himself.
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  • Tentatively excited. If this works out like I think it could work out...the sky is the limit. I'm only tentatively excited because I don't want to see another disappointment alla Branch or Housh. I'm hoping this is one of those one in a million trades that works out in the end and helps bring Seattle the championship they have been working their collective tails off for. Welcome to Seattle Percy!
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  • Some Guy From Another Board wrote:....And you DEFINITELY don't trade him to a team with badass Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll's pimp walk and GOD I AM SO F***** ANGRY THERE ARE LASERS SHOOTING OUT OF MY EYES RIGHT NOW PEW-PEW-PEW-PEW-PEW.
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  • lukerguy wrote:Mods, can we get a hold on all the new threads? It seems like 80% have something to do with Harvin.


    What do you expect? The long offseason with virtually no news is interrupted by arguably the biggest trade in franchise history. I do agree though. It's damn frustrating to have to go all the way to page 3 for a uniform thread.
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  • Well maybe someone should start the QB threads back up, all this WR talk is boring. :)
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  • After really being excited about this move, I have digested, taken a step back, and don't like it anymore.

    I LOVE Percy. I even have a Percy Harvin T-shirt. I think he's a great player, possibly elite. Expecting 13 games or whatever doesn't really bother me either. What bothers me is that the Hawks are a run-first team that now has a bazillion dollars tied up at WR and TE. The Seahawks' leading receiver had 50 catches last year. 50. And the Hawks WR corps wasn't bad. Golden Tate has come miles. Rice is very good when healthy. Did we just spend a first rounder and 12+ million per year for a player that is going to catch 50 balls? If the Hawks threw the ball around the lot, I would be all over this. But WR might be the least impactful position on the entire roster considering the style the Seahawks play with.

    The Seahawks need DL help. They need OL help. They need LB help. They soon have to negotiate with Okung, Sherman, Earl Thomas and Tate, and Wilson isn't going to be far behind.

    Percy's money if 12 mil per year, cost them 2-3 quality players they could have added, and possibly the chance to keep one of their studs at more impactful positions long-term.

    Of course I hope he is the guy that puts our offense over the top and makes us incredibly dangerous. This team has needed a speedy playmaker for thirty years. But I'm thinking all the resources could have been best used at a position that helps the Seahawks play the way they are built to play, which is by running the ball and playing defense.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Hopefully this guy becomes the team player once he gets paid.

    I just heard in an interview on KJR that this fella has had issues with authority dating back to college. He is a tinderbox. Hopefully Pete can be that guy that can get through to him.

    I will be monitoring this situation very closely.


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  • The money argument could be moot, with the rumor that the salary cap will be raising a lot in 2014.
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  • Tical21 wrote:After really being excited about this move, I have digested, taken a step back, and don't like it anymore.

    I LOVE Percy. I even have a Percy Harvin T-shirt. I think he's a great player, possibly elite. Expecting 13 games or whatever doesn't really bother me either. What bothers me is that the Hawks are a run-first team that now has a bazillion dollars tied up at WR and TE. The Seahawks' leading receiver had 50 catches last year. 50. And the Hawks WR corps wasn't bad. Golden Tate has come miles. Rice is very good when healthy. Did we just spend a first rounder and 12+ million per year for a player that is going to catch 50 balls? If the Hawks threw the ball around the lot, I would be all over this. But WR might be the least impactful position on the entire roster considering the style the Seahawks play with.

    The Seahawks need DL help. They need OL help. They need LB help. They soon have to negotiate with Okung, Sherman, Earl Thomas and Tate, and Wilson isn't going to be far behind.

    Percy's money if 12 mil per year, cost them 2-3 quality players they could have added, and possibly the chance to keep one of their studs at more impactful positions long-term.

    Of course I hope he is the guy that puts our offense over the top and makes us incredibly dangerous. This team has needed a speedy playmaker for thirty years. But I'm thinking all the resources could have been best used at a position that helps the Seahawks play the way they are built to play, which is by running the ball and playing defense.

    I am a step ahead of you. I liked it, hated it, and like it again.
    Number one, we don't know the money. Speculating about how it is going to hamstring us is worrying about the unknown. Number two, when I look back at playoff contenders over the last several years, they have some really big money tied up at skill positions and have to adjust their lineups accordingly.
    And number three, I trust these guys to find players with unique skills in later rounds who will fill out the lineup.

    Your 50 balls number is pointless. Almost all pass heavy quarterback centric offenses begin as conservative run first offenses. Tom Brady used to be a game manager with Cory Dillon running the rock. The Ravens were a run first team for a time, but aren't now. It took us a half to figure it out agaisnt Atlanta, but we don't have to be a run first team either. Being pass first is not the goal, being multiple is.

    I think Percy adds 3 to 4 points per game to our team. He makes stress for defensive coordinators, and if our offense is potent, opposing offensive coordinators are stressed to score early and often as well. He stresses special teams coordinators too.

    Next year, some of the cap hit from Miller goes away. And like it or not, we were never going to keep all of our legion of boom, can you see a team tying up 30 to 40 million a year up in a secondary? Guys like Lane and Maxwell are here just for that.
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  • Here's another plus for Harvin... he stretches the field more so than any other skill player we currently have on the roster.

    He's the ultimate additional weapon to add to the Hawks offense.
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  • Exactly. Harvin adds misery to opposing D.C.'s game plans.

    And like Scott said. The teams that get over the hump have coin tied up in their skill positions.

    With the stupid cap, it makes it impossible to keep ALL your players and they are trying to get paid and that is understandable.

    Hell, Pete and John are hiring basketball players, and we need to trust and respect what they are doing.
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  • A few points here, some of which are more or less repeats from other posts (that strengthen my overall thought):

    Yes, Harvin does have some injury history. He had migraine issues that seem to have been dealt with effectively; he hasn't had one in a couple of years now). He had surgery while at Florida to address a foot problem that was ultimately causing some other issues. And he had an ankle problem last year. It's understandable that these facts would give one pause, and that's why this trade is subject to Percy passing a physical. If the Seahawks docs aren't satisfied, he will not be coming to Seattle. Pete also has experience dealing with player migraine issues as Joe McKnight had them during his time at USC.

    He has reportedly exhibited some attitude at times. Fortunately for us, we have a coach who is really good at bringing the best out in his players. We have a strong locker room with a QB who has the support of the team. We have an OC and #1 WR who worked with this kid in MN and who presumably don't have a problem with him (or he wouldn't be coming).

    Finally, Pete recruited Harvin out of high school. I give you this tidbit from Scott Schrader, known USC recruiting guru of 247Sports: "It wasn't often Pete was denied access for an in-home visit, but Percy's mom knew how much he loved SC and blocked Pete from even entering their home when he showed up for the in-home Visit.:-)" http://usc.247sports.com/Board/29/Percy ... #a17405282

    This could be a brilliant move or it could turn into a nightmare, but the same could be said of any decision made. There are no guarantees with any trade or player draft. Would we all prefer to have a young rookie superstar for less money? Sure. But without having a crystal ball, I think this leans more toward "sure thing" than an unproven rookie.
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  • Tical21 wrote:After really being excited about this move, I have digested, taken a step back, and don't like it anymore.

    I LOVE Percy. I even have a Percy Harvin T-shirt. I think he's a great player, possibly elite. Expecting 13 games or whatever doesn't really bother me either. What bothers me is that the Hawks are a run-first team that now has a bazillion dollars tied up at WR and TE. The Seahawks' leading receiver had 50 catches last year. 50. And the Hawks WR corps wasn't bad. Golden Tate has come miles. Rice is very good when healthy. Did we just spend a first rounder and 12+ million per year for a player that is going to catch 50 balls? If the Hawks threw the ball around the lot, I would be all over this. But WR might be the least impactful position on the entire roster considering the style the Seahawks play with.


    Personally I do not believe we are a power running football team anymore..........

    OK Here are my thoughts. PC is all about compete and get better. EVERY DAY - ALL THE TIME. I believe that he has changed enough in his career to realize that the right change is good for you. Russell Wilson changed his way at looking at the game or at least realized he had a different team last year. On top of this you add doing just about everything right and being in close games against Detroit, GB, Arizona, Chicago and Atlanta and yet the opponents either won or you had to pull out some kind of miracle. That is power football of today. It is playing a low scoring game that if unlucky or with a few missed playes you loose because of that one or two mistakes.

    He has a special player in RW, he has a special running back in Lynch, he has a special player in Percy Harvin. I think Tate and Rice will be better for this and I expect this offense to putting up 35 pts per game all year long.

    I simply don't think we are a run first team or at least I see the pass being a much bigger part of our overall game setup from a read option formation that will have enough running to keep everyone honest and 3-5 scrambles by RW per game.....

    call me crazy but give me the benefit of the doubt until week 1 is over
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  • OK I am really excited about the trade, but one thing is eating at me: Can someone explain why Brandon Marshall is worth two 3rd picks and Percy Harvin is worth a 1st, 3rd and 7th? They both have similar checkered diva history.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:I am a step ahead of you. I liked it, hated it, and like it again.


    My position has steadily held, personally. Overpay, but JS/PC just got their perfect player. Not just for our needs, but in general. Seattle has always been on the hunt for Percy Harvin types.

    Harvin is almost uncoverable out of the slot. I think we just got our Wes Welker. Similar quickness, ability to get open, fieriness, yards per catch, YAC ability, and catch rate. We paid a lot more than the Patriots paid for Welker back in 2007, but if the Patriots paid a 1st, 3rd, 7th and ~13-14 million per for Welker do you think they would have regretted it?
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:OK I am really excited about the trade, but one thing is eating at me: Can someone explain why Brandon Marshall is worth two 3rd picks and Percy Harvin is worth a 1st, 3rd and 7th? They both have similar checkered diva history.


    Well off the top of my head:

    Marshall is 28, Harvin is 24

    Marshall has been a diva at multiple stops in the NFL. Harvin has not.

    Harvin tips the field more (slot, split wide, in the backfield) so he's worth more in money and picks.
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:OK I am really excited about the trade, but one thing is eating at me: Can someone explain why Brandon Marshall is worth two 3rd picks and Percy Harvin is worth a 1st, 3rd and 7th? They both have similar checkered diva history.


    Supposedly hit a woman in New York right before the trade

    Does that do it for you? If not on the scene of a shooting (murder) in 2007, arrested a few months later for other issues, arrested again later that year for drunk driving, arrested for battery charges in 2008, another dispute with the wife leading to police involvment in 2009 and supposedly hitting someone RIGHT BEFORE HE GOT TRADED

    Two months after the trade - On April 23, 2011, Marshall was stabbed near his stomach by his wife then

    Yeah with that list two 3rd round picks sounds very risky.......

    and yes diagnoes with personality disorder
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  • mikeak wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:OK I am really excited about the trade, but one thing is eating at me: Can someone explain why Brandon Marshall is worth two 3rd picks and Percy Harvin is worth a 1st, 3rd and 7th? They both have similar checkered diva history.


    Supposedly hit a woman in New York right before the trade

    Does that do it for you? If not on the scene of a shooting (murder) in 2007, arrested a few months later for other issues, arrested again later that year for drunk driving, arrested for battery charges in 2008, another dispute with the wife leading to police involvment in 2009 and supposedly hitting someone RIGHT BEFORE HE GOT TRADED

    Two months after the trade - On April 23, 2011, Marshall was stabbed near his stomach by his wife then

    Yeah with that list two 3rd round picks sounds very risky.......

    and yes diagnoes with personality disorder


    Oh yeah, the rap sheet. Forgot about that! :lol:
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  • Lol.. As a Die Hard 49er fan I can flat out tell you Jim is not worried at all about Seattle or Pete The Cheat Carroll. Love how you guys go out and overspend for overrated talent and we Niners spend far less( 6th round pick) and got a much better player and deal.
    Will Harvin even play a full season? Or will be become a diva? Or will his headaches comeback in the loudest stadium in sports? Will his ankle hold up? Way to many questions... Too many question...We both have squads and this is gonna be a bloodbath next season.. I just think SF took all your heat with one move. It went from Seattle made a trade too Percy who? Within 20 mins.

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    if we want to read this regurgitated crap we'll go over to a niner site.... come with some new idea's or a fresh take then we can talk some football...

    what's next wilsons too short and can't throw in the pocket, or how bout our empty trophy case, haven't seen that one in a while....
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