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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Unless they feel Leon's numbers are gonna be restricting when it comes to the future of our young players (I won't pretend to understand cap hits at all), I'm fine keeping him as the main return guy and putting Harvin back there when you're down late and really need a spark. I don't like the idea of Harvin taking many special team hits, even if he has done it a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Leon represents a potential 3.25 million cap saving. The Harvin deal is going to need to come from somewhere. I like Leon, but you're paying a pretty penny for a special teams player.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Cant see them brooming Leon over this. Harvin may, or may not be a better return man but Leon is a proven entity within the organization and in the league. Would truly disappoint me if he is a casualty of this trade.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Washington might have as much trade value now as he did in 2010. He can still play at a very high level. Trading Washington makes a lot of sense, IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Making the numbers work this year is going to be tough. This is what Percy signing does to seahawks.

Leon. Gone, no trade value
Obomanu. Gone, no trade value
Tate/Baldwin. On trading block, not a priority to resign.
Flynn, traded. I cannot see our fo signing Percy without a trade here in the works.
Miller, actively looking for replacement in draft /fa. Will be asked to take a pay cut if we find one.

This signing does not fit with the organic growth if the last three years. My guess is that our front office was scared of letting percy sign up with the niners. Ballsy move for sure. Go Hawks!


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Harvin is here to be a #1 WR. As others mentioned, you don't risk your top receiver by having him return punts and kickoffs. Especially when you have one of the league's best at that role on the team already. Washington is safe. However, Tate's spot may be in jeopardy. Possibly even Baldwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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He is a playmaker. You put the ball in his hands any and every way possible as often as you can.

If he is too fragile to handle it you don't pay him mega bucks and give up a first rounder, IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Ask yourself this question.

Who on our team is tied for the NFL record on kick off/punt returns for touchdowns??

Now ask yourself this.

Why would anyone consider letting that guy go when he can also play a couple of other positions?

Can you now answer your own question?


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Looks like that might actually be the case.

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/stat ... 7568252929

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As the Seahawks reconfigure cap and budget following today's blockbuster trade for Percy Harvin, they're shopping return man Leon Washington

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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volsunghawk wrote:
Looks like that might actually be the case.

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/stat ... 7568252929

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As the Seahawks reconfigure cap and budget following today's blockbuster trade for Percy Harvin, they're shopping return man Leon Washington


Yep that sounds right, I think Leon and Obo are on their way out the door. Tate and Baldwin are more valuable.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Harvin is here to be a #1 WR. As others mentioned, you don't risk your top receiver by having him return punts and kickoffs. Especially when you have one of the league's best at that role on the team already. Washington is safe. However, Tate's spot may be in jeopardy. Possibly even Baldwin.


Looks like the Seahawks disagree with you.

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CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Seahawks are shopping KR/RB Leon Washington.
We could see this coming after the acquisition of Percy Harvin, who is just as potent in the return game. Washington has a $2.875 million cap number, and that's too expensive for a No. 3 running back who may or may not be used on returns. Washington, 30, finished second in the NFL with his 29.0 YPR average on kickoffs in 2012. He might be able to fetch a late-round pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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What are the odds that they put Golden Tate back there on punt returns if Leon gets traded or cut?

He was kind of scary back there as a rookie, but the staff seems to have coached him up. He plays within himself now.

Leon is fantastic as a special teams player, but I don't know if he's worth that much to our team, especially if the coaching staff thinks that Tate can give even 75% of the production that Leon Washington does now.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Wouldn't shock me to see a pick like Kerwynn Williams as a RB#3/KR/PR in place of Washington.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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maybe a marcus lattimore to be our 3rd back???????

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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JS will probably get our 7th rounder back for Leon.

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Leon is a stud when it comes to the return game, with that said Percy Harvin is far better then Leon. I love Leon but i think he's as good as gone, i'm sure one of the 12 million reason a year we got Percy is the return game.


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Leon was great on and off the field for us. I really hope we don't cut him but rather trade him to get something back. If we cut him there's a high % that he will end up in SF :/

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Any ability to have traded Leon has gone out the window. Everyone in the league will know that we are now hamstrung with his salary and there just won't be enough teams out there wanting to trade to get him. He will most likely be released and will end up on a pretty good team for 35 - 50% of this year's salary.

I really liked having Leon on the team.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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mikeak wrote:
With Percy's history I simply don't see us using him as a return man

Doesn't mean Leon is gone / staying just don't see Percy factoring into that except for the money being spent


What history?

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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I don't know much about what Leon is owed this year, but it makes sense to keep him around. Harvin is currently the best return man in the game, but Minnesota didn't use him exclusively. They just put him back there when they needed a big return. I would optimally like to do the same thing here.


3/1/2011: Signed a four-year, $12.5 million contract. The deal contains $3.5 million guaranteed, including a $1.5 million signing bonus and Washington's first-year base salary. Another $3.5 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2014: $2.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent


This makes me believe he is gone following the 2013 season.


Would be ideal in my eyes, throwing Harvin on every return isn't wise (see Devin Hester) but using him situationally is smart.


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Wouldn't shock me to see a pick like Kerwynn Williams as a RB#3/KR/PR in place of Washington.



^ I'd sign up for that


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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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Leon was great on and off the field for us. I really hope we don't cut him but rather trade him to get something back. If we cut him there's a high % that he will end up in SF :/


Based on what? They have Tedd Ginn...


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If the running game is reduced to the point the Lynch gets about 280 carries instead of the 315 he did last year, I have little problem keeping Washington. I cant see us rushing 55% of the time this next year, probably pretty close to 50/50.

Still, if Lynch misses games, I think we'll be in trouble with Washington on the RB depth chart. Perhaps they plan on using Harvin on the ground as well.


havent you ever heard of Robert Turbin ?

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Leon was great on and off the field for us. I really hope we don't cut him but rather trade him to get something back. If we cut him there's a high % that he will end up in SF :/


Based on what? They have Tedd Ginn...


My gut feeling. He would want to stick it to the hawks.

Ted Ginn is also gonna test the FA market

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/6/40 ... nt-profile

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 Post subject: Re: Leon Washington Stage Left?
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No way.

Leon helps bigtime with field position.

Besides, why would we want to take a weapon we traded for that we need to stretch the field, and throw him into kick returns to assure he gets hurt and does not produce for us? Especially considering the guy has a history of injuries.

No thank you. We need him on passing downs.


I agree 100%. Leon Washington was a top 3 returner last year. I get that this board is hyped for Percy Harvin but there is so many questions.

Leon Washington is underrated imo.

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I would hate to see Leon go. He's a class act and a key special teams performer. He's also very tight with the guys in the locker room and is a favorite of his teammates.

But with that said, on paper it makes all the sense in the world to see what you can get for him.

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If the running game is reduced to the point the Lynch gets about 280 carries instead of the 315 he did last year, I have little problem keeping Washington. I cant see us rushing 55% of the time this next year, probably pretty close to 50/50.

Still, if Lynch misses games, I think we'll be in trouble with Washington on the RB depth chart. Perhaps they plan on using Harvin on the ground as well.


havent you ever heard of Robert Turbin ?


Yeah, having the Turbine isn't going to help if Lynch misses games to injury or a conviction in his court case. Washington is little threat running the ball and is advanced in age. So depending on him to be a number two back behind Turbin is unreaslistic. There is a reason to carry a 3rd down back capable of shouldering a #2 back load, else the running game falters with Lynch gone. This is why most teams carry a KR specialist among the WRs or DBs where the depth pool is larger to protect them in case of injury.

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I think it depends on what Harvins number is and how much more they spend in FA to sign a DL.


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man harvin got some wheels... he looks way faster then leon to my eye!!


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Leon was great on and off the field for us. I really hope we don't cut him but rather trade him to get something back. If we cut him there's a high % that he will end up in SF :/


Based on what? They have Tedd Ginn...


My gut feeling. He would want to stick it to the hawks.

Ted Ginn is also gonna test the FA market

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/6/40 ... nt-profile


Why would he want to stick it to the team that rescued him from the Jets when everyone thought he was done because of his brutal broken leg? Seattle resurrected his marketability.

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I hope not, but I see him as gone. Haven't they announced that he is available,
trying to get something rather than just cutting him?

Leon brings value beyond his on the field play, though that is very good.
He is a leader in the locker room and an enthusiastic one on the sidelines.


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Leon was 3rd in the NFL last year in KO return average. I've said it before, but it's hard to justify trying to get the top two guys, or expecting a rookie to come in, and beat the 3rd guy who's already on your team.

We have bigger holes, and guys making more money to worry about. Leon will stay this year at least.

If he's only a return specialist next year, maybe they restructure him, but even at 3.5 million, he's not that expensive for what he brings to the team.

Any speculation after this year is going to be contingent upon how much money we give Harvin.


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well this thread is closed.

Just waiting for the front office to call and offer a job. LOL

If coach only would have put me in in the 4th quarter we would have won state!

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