Cullen Jenkins Signs with Giants

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  • According to Schefter

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    Former Eagles DL Cullen Jenkins, who visited Giants on Friday, is scheduled to visit Seahawks on Monday and 49ers on Tuesday.

    Apologies if this has been posted earlier or if I have missed it.
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  • Don't apologize dude - this is the only original news post we've had in about 2 weeks!
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  • So, what about the dude?....Can he ball or what, I don't know anything about him.
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  • If we signed Jenkins we'd truly be in position to go BPA in the draft. If he's open to signing a reasonable contract I hope JS gets this done.
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  • 32 years old. 39 career sacks as a DT. 6'2", 305 lbs. Released by Philly because he wasnt living up to his big contract. Wouldnt be bad as a rotational player but I wouldnt want him as a starter at this point in his career.
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  • The Packers version of Cullen Jenkins is exactly what we need here. I haven't followed him since he went to Philly, so I can't say much about his time there.
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  • I think it is a smart move, If we can add a DT and DE in Free agency it will allow us a lot of freedom draft wise. We could still go DL but it would only be if we got great value. As it stands we are desperate for DL and would likely be having to reach to get somebody.
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  • I wouldn't mind btinging him in to compete at all. No one played well in Philly. Can't blame him entirely.
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  • I see he still has a hustle to him and can lay the BOOM. He would most likely be in a rotation unless he balls out. I still wanna watch some film before I decide how much I really like him.

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  • I'm not super familiar with him. Is he a pocket collapser like Melton or a space eater like Branch?
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  • More like Melton than Branch. He's a guy who can get 4-6 sacks a year and collapse the pocket, creating opportunities for others. Older, but productive.
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  • I'm all for anything we can do in free agency that prevents us from having to use our #1 pick on a defensive linemen for the second straight year.

    The offense needs some love in round 1, for once.
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  • WR please, or prolific T.E. in the draft early on, lets get a playmaker for the O. Decent DL can be had later on in this 2013 draft.
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  • Jenkins is the type of player we need. Someone who can provide inside pressure and collapse the pocket but also who can move around a bit on the line. I'll never understand the people thinking we need another leo... I guess maybe they see we need pass rush and think leo is the only position that can do it?
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  • Sign him- RW needs a toy with the first pick.
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  • I'll always dislike signing defensive players in their 30's, its fairly risky. But, he would be a nice rotational guy and again add total flexibility come draft day. Although, the Seahawks do what they please on draft day anyways.
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  • I expect it to be Ruud type contract. He has to make the team and show he can contribute.
    One of the things I hope they address with the players they bring in are adding high motor guys. Some games and plays it was pretty obvious players were for some reason taking plays off. The 1st AZ game, the 1st St L. Game as well as Detroit.
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  • A good friend of mine is a Packers fan and always loved Cullen Jenkins, so I'd support a Jenkins signing just for the fact of being able to crush my friend's spirit alone. For real though, I've always liked Jenkins' game. He's one of those "non-stop motor" type players, kind of a poor man's Sheldon Richardson with regards to his ability to make plays most DT's won't down the field, and he can spell Red at the 5 tech on occasion. As part of a rotation, Jenkins is just the kind of guy you want to have.

    I wouldn't like it much at all if he ended up in San Francisco. Depends on what kind of money he's looking for, I guess. Schneider's definitely familiar with the guy, that's for sure.
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  • You gotta like this kind of hustle:

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  • Who would be a better fit for the Hawks at DT, Jenkins or Desmond Bryant? Who would be more expensive? I really like Bryant and he's younger but I assume he will be fairly expensive, especially with Melton and maybe Starks off the FA market
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:Who would be a better fit for the Hawks at DT, Jenkins or Desmond Bryant? Who would be more expensive? I really like Bryant and he's younger but I assume he will be fairly expensive, especially with Melton and maybe Starks off the FA market

    I'm guessing Bryant is the answer on both counts, but he's young and worth it.
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  • I would be okay with this as long as we don't give him a lot of dough. Desmond Bryant is the guy I really want.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:I'm all for anything we can do in free agency that prevents us from having to use our #1 pick on a defensive linemen for the second straight year.

    The offense needs some love in round 1, for once.



    Okung, Carp, were round one's so I don't get that statement. Earl and Irvin were our other picks, Earl the same year as Okung, Irvin last year. Where were they suppose to get another first rounder to use on offense. It's been 50/50 so far.
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  • I think with the number of teams courting Jenkins and his age factored in to they equation I doubt he will be a seahawk. But he is the type we are looking for.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:I'm all for anything we can do in free agency that prevents us from having to use our #1 pick on a defensive linemen for the second straight year.

    The offense needs some love in round 1, for once.


    Okung, Carp, were round one's so I don't get that statement. Earl and Irvin were our other picks, Earl the same year as Okung, Irvin last year. Where were they suppose to get another first rounder to use on offense. It's been 50/50 so far.


    Skill players, not linemen. We haven't drafted a WR/TE/RB in round 1 since Stevens 11 years ago.

    That's the part to get.
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  • He's visiting here on Monday then with the '9ers on Tuesday.

    He's been in the league since 2004 and started slowly but has been pretty durable for the past several years. I believe he's had 38.5 sacks since joining the league thus has been averaging 4.27 sacks/yr. he's always been comparatively stout against the run.

    At this stage finding a comfortable situation with a potential contending team and $ will be the key factors interesting him. JS knows him well and knows what kind of team guy he is, we could do worse at 3 tech as he'd likely form part of a rotation at DT anyways.

    He'd be an interesting add as it would open the draft up some.
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  • I won't pretend to be an expert on Cullen Jenkins, but I will say this- Seattle has shown time and again to be big fans of old players on 1 year contracts. Lawyer Milloy, Brandon Stokely, Raheem Brock, Marcus Trufant, Leroy Hill, Anthony Hargrove (an eight year vet at 28). They even brought in Terrell Owens last preseason.

    And for the most part, the results of those signings have been fantastic from a contribution per dollar perspective. Including the playoffs, we got 10 sacks out of Brock (a career year) for $1 million in salary. Yes please. I thought Hargrove and Milloy had really nice seasons for us in 2011 and 2010 respectively.

    I wouldn't expect Seattle to sign him right away. He seems like the kind of signing the team would make several weeks into free agency after some better options fall through.
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  • Why not? Not everyone needs to be young. Once the window for a championship opens it can beneficial to add in some solid vets on short term deals if its the right guys (see Raves: Birk,Boldin,McKinnie)
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  • Jenkins in his prime is exactly what we're looking for. The Eagles released him because he was overpaid. Then again, damn near everyone was overpaid on that team last year.

    Jenkins had 4.5 sacks last year, which is more than Jason Jones had. He's also better against the run than Jones. If we could rotate him, maybe give him 2/3 of the snaps, I think he'd be a hell of a get. He started and played a lot of snaps last year for the Eagles, and if I'm not mistaken, he was durable.

    The fact that the Niners are after him should say a lot as well. I think he's better technique wise, with more savvy and experience than Desmond Bryant; Bryant just has age on his side, but rumors out of Oakland question his motivation and drive.

    As for the whole "we really need to draft a skill player in the 1st because we haven't yet" the FO isn't buying into that for a second. You look at the draft as a whole, and this is the draft where you can supposedly get a guy like Swope or Bailey in the 3rd. If I'm getting one of those guys in the 3rd, why the heck wouldn't I want to scoop up an elite 3 tech DT, rush end, or WLB talent earlier ?
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  • The Packers run D took a big hit with the loss of Jenkins. Raji looked really good paired with Jenkins, human without him. He was never a good fit for the wide 9 in Philly.

    Most definitely, he would be here to fill the Branch spot.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:I'm all for anything we can do in free agency that prevents us from having to use our #1 pick on a defensive linemen for the second straight year.

    The offense needs some love in round 1, for once.


    Okung, Carp, were round one's so I don't get that statement. Earl and Irvin were our other picks, Earl the same year as Okung, Irvin last year. Where were they suppose to get another first rounder to use on offense. It's been 50/50 so far.


    Skill players, not linemen. We haven't drafted a WR/TE/RB in round 1 since Stevens 11 years ago.

    That's the part to get.


    Well we may not have drafted but we did go get them, Rice, Lynch, Miller. How can you look at it as not being taken care of, doesn't matter how it matters was it. I think we did ok with those positions so far.
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  • Anything that lets us go BPA this year. That's how to find us a superstar at DT instead of a "need pick" forced into the role.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well we may not have drafted but we did go get them, Rice, Lynch, Miller. How can you look at it as not being taken care of, doesn't matter how it matters was it. I think we did ok with those positions so far.


    Yes ... but it would be nice to draft a young stud to grow with Wilson. He and Tate are developing a nice rapport, but I think we need a big, strong guy or even Tavon Austin.

    Rice is really good, but not dominating. Lynch is a workhorse racking up carries on his way towards the twilight of his career. Miller is rock solid, but not explosive or dynamic.

    We added Robert Turbin last year to help take the load off of Lynch. It would be nice to infuse the offense with a potential game breaker at WR or TE. Pete and John have made no secret of their desire to add touchdown makers. Only 3 of 10 picks in 2012 were offensive players, and one of those (Sweezy) was a defender when drafted and then converted.

    Just my opinion - we address the D primarily through free agency and give the offense some love in the draft.
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  • Well if we can get the defense pass rush fixed were close to being in a position to target a player or skill set for explosive quality. Those are scary in so many look the part but once in the NFL have a problem playing the part. A Fitzgerald type guy would cost a lot to move up and get if we continue our success. But that would be the kind of player I would look for before I would want to make a move up. Otherwise like Hutch and Alexander you luck into them falling due to other teams drafting for need. We reached up for Robinson and saw what it got us, there was another WR that same draft taken ahead of him that was also a bust. That is the problem I would worry about.
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  • Jenkins would be a great fit, scheme wise, and locker room wise. He is not too old to have 2 or 3 more productive years. He'd bring some leadership, and would be an upgrade over Branch. I'd love to keep Branch and get Jenkins.

    I think Bryant has a higher ceiling, will want a long term contract and will be much more expensive. With SF's interest in Jenkins I think we should do what we ahve to do to keep Jenkins in Seattle even if it is a little more than we wanted to pay. A 3 year deal that allows us an out after 2 and not cost us more than $5Mil this year and I'm all in. Jenkins will get sacks but will cause the disruption that you can't see with stats and that's something we really need.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well we may not have drafted but we did go get them, Rice, Lynch, Miller. How can you look at it as not being taken care of, doesn't matter how it matters was it. I think we did ok with those positions so far.


    Yes ... but it would be nice to draft a young stud to grow with Wilson. He and Tate are developing a nice rapport, but I think we need a big, strong guy or even Tavon Austin.

    Rice is really good, but not dominating. Lynch is a workhorse racking up carries on his way towards the twilight of his career. Miller is rock solid, but not explosive or dynamic.

    We added Robert Turbin last year to help take the load off of Lynch. It would be nice to infuse the offense with a potential game breaker at WR or TE. Pete and John have made no secret of their desire to add touchdown makers. Only 3 of 10 picks in 2012 were offensive players, and one of those (Sweezy) was a defender when drafted and then converted.

    Just my opinion - we address the D primarily through free agency and give the offense some love in the draft.



    I'm with you I want to get some young weapons to grown with RW. Tate could walk next year in FA and I'd love some insurance for Miller and Rice.
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  • I wanted to bring him in and if he becomes a Seahawk he will improve the team. But I am smelling the old SPRT (Seattle Pay Raise Trip)

    As of a couple of days ago he was set up for at least 6 visits to NFL teams. I think P and J will offer him a fair contract, but some desperate team could very well over pay. He will be leaning towards the bigger stack of gold.

    A 2 year deal would be ideal for filling a need with a solid player. I don't see it tho. I am thinking more of a CJ walks out with a Seahawk hat on backwards ending like that one guy.
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  • Still a decent player at this point, but not worth the money Philly gave him and Chip Kelly wants to go young and mold his own group. If Jenkins were to sign here there is no guarantee he would make the team a la most of the other older FAs we've brought in. While he's played a lot of games the last couple years he also hasn't been healthy and like most older players that's probably going to be a downhill trend.

    Looking to add a DT in the draft at 3 tech and I also think there's a good chance that Jaye Howard puts that top athletic ability he had in last year's combine to work under Quinn, who was his coach in Florida.

    If Jenkins were to not only sign, but make the team then that means we failed at one of the other two options and that I don't care for.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Anything that lets us go BPA this year. That's how to find us a superstar at DT instead of a "need pick" forced into the role.


    I hate BPA as a term. It oversimplifies the whole process. Not picking on you at all, but thinking like this caused us to sign Housh for big bucks and draft Aaron Curry over Michael Crabtree. A universal "BPA" is something Mel Kiper believes in. I think it's a crock full of shit, personally.

    Also, a 32 year old player wouldn't change Seattle's draft plans. DT is looking relatively thin this year- Seattle needs to grab one very early if they want a good one. WR and TE can definitely wait til later. Both are very deep groups. Seattle would probably need to go DT in round one if they wanted to assure themselves any of the three best options (Short, Richardson, Jones).

    Sadly, the NFL is catching on to Seattle's valuation methods and our types of players will be going much earlier than usual in this draft.
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  • kearly wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Anything that lets us go BPA this year. That's how to find us a superstar at DT instead of a "need pick" forced into the role.


    I hate BPA as a term. It oversimplifies the whole process. Not picking on you at all, but thinking like this caused us to sign Housh for big bucks and draft Curry for big bucks over Michael Crabtree.

    Also, a 32 year old player wouldn't change Seattle's draft plans. DT is looking relatively thin this year- Seattle needs to grab one very early if they want a good one. WR and TE can definitely wait til later. Both are very deep groups. Seattle would probably need to go DT in round one if they wanted to assure themselves any of the three best options (Short, Richardson, Jones).

    Sadly, the NFL is catching on to Seattle's valuation methods and our types of players will be going much earlier than usual in this draft.


    I disagree Kearly, they may be able to see a type but making it work will be a different story. I was one of those that was knocking Pete on his Rah Rah style, now after seeing it I don't think it's Rah Rah but one of opportunity and positive reinforcement. Vey few teams will open the competition up like we do. That will itself cause failurs of teams tryijng to do what we do. Pete speaks it, lives it, and executes it. Most teams front offices won't have the vision that John and Pete share, most staffs won't feel comfortable putting a high priced vet on the bench if a rookie is playing better and is a lower round pick.

    That type of commitment to a philosophy is what makes Seattles system work. The player types are those that fits Petes system and his coaches also, other systems may not look at the same skill set Pete looks at when he and staff grade players. Wilson and Irvins success brought the spotlight on us since most experts thought they were not impact players.
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  • There are quite a few DTs I like in this draft and IMO it would be a waste not to take advantage this year. I'd like to replace McDonald in the draft as well.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote: I'd like to replace McDonald in the draft as well.


    Definitely! It is no mystery that our defense seems to take a step back when McDonald is in. The funny thing is that he is still better than Jennings.
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  • chris98251 wrote:......Vey few teams will open the competition up like we do. That will itself cause failurs of teams tryijng to do what we do. Pete speaks it, lives it, and executes it. Most teams front offices won't have the vision that John and Pete share, most staffs won't feel comfortable putting a high priced vet on the bench if a rookie is playing better and is a lower round pick.

    That type of commitment to a philosophy is what makes Seattles system work. The player types are those that fits Petes system and his coaches also, other systems may not look at the same skill set Pete looks at when he and staff grade players. Wilson and Irvins success brought the spotlight on us since most experts thought they were not impact players.


    Agree 100%. How many other teams would've put Flynn on the bench and started RW last year? Probably one, Hardouche and the Whiners (Crapperneck over Smith as proof he'd do it). Otherwise playing it safe is what nearly all franchises do. Good post man.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
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    Definitely! It is no mystery that our defense seems to take a step back when McDonald is in. The funny thing is that he is still better than Jennings.


    Wasn't McDonald the backup to Jones in pass rush situations? Somewhat makes sense that you would have a drop-off when you don't have your 1st stringer.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote: I'd like to replace McDonald in the draft as well.


    Definitely! It is no mystery that our defense seems to take a step back when McDonald is in. The funny thing is that he is still better than Jennings.


    Wasn't McDonald the backup to Jones in pass rush situations? Somewhat makes sense that you would have a drop-off when you don't have your 1st stringer.



    I believe that was Scruggs. McDonald gave Mebane a breather if I remember correctly.
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  • Ian Rapoport of NFL.com passes along word that the visit with Seattle went well on Monday, and that in addition to checking in with the Niners while he's in the Bay Area, he'll also spend some time with the Oakland Raiders on Wednesday. Quite efficient.
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  • I'd love a signing like this. Like someone said above, it offers insurance and flexibility in the draft. The front office wouldn't be forced into drafting the first DT on their board (ignoring other higher-rated, BPA needs).

    Even with a signing like this, they are still going to draft a DT early in the draft, but they can do so in the 2nd or 3rd instead of having to do it in the first.
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