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  • Just for the sake of balance... he is 35 and was just released by another contender. It's not like Atlanta are a rebuilding team making room.
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  • he was scheduled to make 7m-9m this year . Any team would release him
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Just for the sake of balance... he is 35 and was just released by another contender. It's not like Atlanta are a rebuilding team making room.


    He is by no means ideal. But then, who is? We gotta put something together, here, for a pass rush. I anticipate the pile approach.
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  • What a difference a year makes. Last year I was harping to get him, and all here were "he is too old". Now 10 sacks and a year later he isn't.
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  • Largent80 wrote:What a difference a year makes. Last year I was harping to get him, and all here were "he is too old". Now 10 sacks and a year later he isn't.


    I think that last loss at ATL where the DL could not generate any kind of pass rush is still fresh in our minds. The last thing that happened always seems to be the most important, I suppose.

    Combine that with Chris Clemons almost certainly starting the season on PUP, and circumstances have changed enough that people identify the D-Line as a big enough need to go with an older vet on a one year contract.

    It hurts to think about how with a guy like Raheem Brock coming off the bench, SEA probably wins that game in ATL.
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  • I would rather he signed here back a few years instead of going to Atlanta.

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  • He had 10 sacks and 6 forced fumbles last year?? That's exactly what this team needs.
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  • McGruff wrote:Abraham will probably come cheaper and shorter than Osi or Freeney.


    I've thrown this out there before ... but something to keep in mind in terms of Osi Umenyiora -- he makes his offseason home in Atlanta. That's home for him. So, if the Falcons want him, it's highly likely that's where he ends up. It's an important factor to consider when trying to figure out where all these DE Free Agent dominoes will fall.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:He had 10 sacks and 6 forced fumbles last year?? That's exactly what this team needs.


    What teams doesn't need that?
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  • Exactly my point. He's still very solid, and can be had for a heck of a lot less than some other guys like Dumervil. I get the impression that some people think he's past his prime or just some old dude band-aid type of guy. Not the case at all when you put up 10 sacks and 6 Forced Fumbles. Shoot, we could get Him AND Osi or him and Woodson for likely less than it would cost to get a guy like Dumervil.
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  • As to the "he was just let go by a contender", he was getting paid at least 4.5 million this next year (or that was his cap hit or bonus. hell, I read 4.5 mil somewhere) but Atlanta is barely under the cap. They want to resign Brent Grimes and their safety that is pretty decent (don't remember his name) so they need cap space to work with.

    Pretty sure it was money and not as much production, although he was fighting an ankle issue late in the year. Still, 10 sacks and 6 FF's while having 2-3 down games with an injury isn't anything to sneeze at.
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  • Hey, nothing is signed yet. Worth a look for sure. Bring him in and check him out. If he's a fit, negotiate.

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  • A guy on softies show today said he liked Abraham because he was better against the run than Freeney or Osi. If we can get a LEO that is adequate against the run and can provide the potential for 10+ sacks I am all for bringing him in for a year or two on an incentive laden contract. Can we let Branch and Jones walk and pick up Seymour and Abraham?
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  • How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?
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  • I wouldn't mind this singing. He gives relief and could see geting cut prior to season with no repercussion if it isn't meant to be.
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  • Just something to keep in mind for some who might be a bit uncomfortable with the idea of bringing in a 35 year old DE ...

    Bruce Smith (6'4" 262 Pounds) ...
    1998 (Age 35) -- 10.0 Sacks
    1999 (Age 36) -- 7.0 Sacks
    2000 (Age 37) -- 10.0 Sacks

    Reggie White (6'5" 291 Pounds) ...
    1995 (Age 34) -- 12.0 Sacks
    1996 (Age 36) -- 8.5 Sacks
    1997 (Age 37) -- 11.0 Sacks
    1998 (Age 38) -- 16.0 Sacks

    Chris Doleman (6'5" 289 Pounds) ...
    1996 (Age 35) -- 11.0 Sacks
    1997 (Age 36) -- 12.0 Sacks
    1998 (Age 37) -- 15.0 Sacks
    1999 (Age 38) -- 8.0 Sacks

    John Abraham (6'4" 256 Pounds) ... had 10.0 Sacks last season at Age 34. Outside of that ankle injury last season, he's been relatively healthy throughout his career. He's never struggled with injuries, keeps himself in great shape, and hasn't really shown any signs of slowing down. If we're talking about a 1 year deal for $4-5 Million ... and the medical report looks good ... why the heck not?
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  • Atlanta had him in a heavier rotation then the Hawks used with Clemons, so it would be wise for the Hawks to keep him in a rotation. He isn't the answer to missing the 3 down player in Clemons. Still have to draft some DE depth. He also had a 3 tech DT rotation that got satisfactory penetration at Atlanta. So, resigning Branch will probably not work in his favor. Signing Bryant along with Abraham, as well as drafting a worthy first round DT and hunting DEs in the later rounds would be quite an upgrade for the Hawks.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:Atlanta had him in a heavier rotation then the Hawks used with Clemons, so it would be wise for the Hawks to keep him in a rotation. He isn't the answer to missing the 3 down player in Clemons. Still have to draft some DE depth. He also had a 3 tech DT rotation that got satisfactory penetration at Atlanta. So, resigning Branch will probably not work in his favor. Signing Bryant along with Abraham, as well as drafting a worthy first round DT and hunting DEs in the later rounds would be quite an upgrade for the Hawks.


    I agree with that for the most part. Though I believe that Abraham/Umenyiora/Freeney could be part of the answer ... I don't know that I would say that any one of those guys is the full answer. So, absolutely I agree that a rotation would be best. Carroll and the coaching staff believe in that, so I certainly think that's exactly what we would see.

    As far as the whole Branch debate is concerned, I 100% agree that signing Bryant changes the entire complexion of that Defensive Line. In fact, I'd rank getting a dominant 3 Tech as a greater priority than a DE actually.

    If they are able to land Bryant, I'm not sure I would be looking to expend a 1st Rounder on another DT ... but I guess I'd be in favor with it if a DT is the BPA at #25. Drafting more DE's later on in the draft? Yes please. I've posted this before that I believe getting experience at the DT is a necessity. If you'll recall, Cortez Kennedy actually didn't do a whole ton in his rookie season. Neither do a lot of rookie DT's. Along with WR, that seems to be a position that requires some seasoning. Honestly, I think Pete believes the same thing. So, as I scan the entire FA Landscape ... I personally view Desmond Bryant as THE primary target in Free Agency. Just my .02.
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  • I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.
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  • DJrmb wrote:I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


    Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.
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  • Sign Abraham to a 1 year deal and let Irvin bulk up some more and learn from proven sack master, then sign a vet DT Seymore for 1 year and by the next season Scruggs and Howard will be ready to start. dRaft a few mid to late DE's and DT and let them compete for roster spots or stash on the practice squad until the old guys are gone then let them step up. Would a 1st round DT be more productive than Seymore or Bryant? I'd say not likely, would a 1st round LB be more productive than Malcome Smith, I'd bet $100 on it.
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  • SalishHawkFan wrote:How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.
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  • Wenhawk wrote:Sign Abraham to a 1 year deal and let Irvin bulk up some more and learn from proven sack master, then sign a vet DT Seymore for 1 year and by the next season Scruggs and Howard will be ready to start. dRaft a few mid to late DE's and DT and let them compete for roster spots or stash on the practice squad until the old guys are gone then let them step up. Would a 1st round DT be more productive than Seymore or Bryant? I'd say not likely, would a 1st round LB be more productive than Malcome Smith, I'd bet $100 on it.


    Something along these lines is exactly what I was going to write but then I read it :)

    Point being with a veteran like this you sign them to a 1 or 2 year deal and then you can draft in the middle of the pack hoping to find the gem and you also have Clemons coming back.

    Do you MAYBE hope to get a star by the time playoff comes around - of course. BUT at least you start the season with a very good player and hope to improve vs starting with a rookie hoping to find out he isn't a bust.......
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  • McGruff wrote:
    SalishHawkFan wrote:How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

    Bull. LEO doesn't have to stand up, but it's a hallmark of the position since Carroll coined the term LEO.
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  • i'd say sign abraham n pair him with or both seymour n jenkins and seattle will have no problem pushing the pocket n coming off the edge. all for a low 2 year want a ring deal
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  • SalishHawkFan wrote:
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    SalishHawkFan wrote:How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

    Bull. LEO doesn't have to stand up, but it's a hallmark of the position since Carroll coined the term LEO.


    A review of Clemons' snaps over the last three years proves otherwise. Clemons is in the up position maybe 10-20% of the time.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


    Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.

    I'm more talking to those that are saying to bring in 3 or 4 D-lineman. I think 2 is the magic number. 1 DT for 3-tech and 1 DE for depth and filling in while Clems out. If you can get a guy or two like Datone Jones that can play multiple positions all the better. I like Greg Scruggs to get more playing time this coming year, he looked pretty good at times last year.
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  • McGruff wrote:
    SalishHawkFan wrote:How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

    The whole point of the Leo is that he can do both. At USC we used 2 linebackers (Cushing and then Matthews the following year) in that role. Sometimes they'd put their hand in the dirt and sometimes not.
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  • DJrmb wrote:
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    DJrmb wrote:I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


    Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.

    I'm more talking to those that are saying to bring in 3 or 4 D-lineman. I think 2 is the magic number. 1 DT for 3-tech and 1 DE for depth and filling in while Clems out. If you can get a guy or two like Datone Jones that can play multiple positions all the better. I like Greg Scruggs to get more playing time this coming year, he looked pretty good at times last year.

    I think we fans in general tend to discount players already on the roster, partly because they were drafted lower or are otherwise not high profile guys.

    I also want to see Scruggs get more chances to prove himself.

    But I have no problem with adding a FA or two and drafting. The Pete/John mold seems to be to throw a lot of bodies at a problem area and let them fight it out. Just might see that this year with DL/pass rush.
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  • sutz wrote:I think we fans in general tend to discount players already on the roster, partly because they were drafted lower or are otherwise not high profile guys.

    I also want to see Scruggs get more chances to prove himself.


    We discount players already on the roster if they deserve to be discounted. There's a reason John and Pete are flying in free agents, because they know what we know, there's NO ONE on the current roster than can fill Clemons position. Scruggs is a 7th round draft pick, he's nowhere near ready to start.......and I don't think he'll ever be more than a one or two series a game sub.
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  • DJrmb wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


    Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.

    I'm more talking to those that are saying to bring in 3 or 4 D-lineman. I think 2 is the magic number. 1 DT for 3-tech and 1 DE for depth and filling in while Clems out. If you can get a guy or two like Datone Jones that can play multiple positions all the better. I like Greg Scruggs to get more playing time this coming year, he looked pretty good at times last year.


    This is the offseason, you can bring in multiple D linemen to challenge each other. since our DE depth was exposed last year, as well as 3 tech DT futility after J Jones was injured, I'm all for a FA DT signing like D. Bryant (or maybe a player like Vance Walker whose a run stuffer and gets penetration) and bringing in a high pick DT and 2-3 more draft picks of DE's along with Abraham. I don't expect all of them to be on the roster. But it will protect against a Clemons cut (not out of the question) and foster competition for the best DL we can build.
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  • I dont care what it costs. Its not my money.

    Just get someone who can make the other QB fall down and go boom!
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  • sc85sis wrote:
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    SalishHawkFan wrote:How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

    The whole point of the Leo is that he can do both. At USC we used 2 linebackers (Cushing and then Matthews the following year) in that role. Sometimes they'd put their hand in the dirt and sometimes not.



    That's a fact however, we have yet to do it here, so......
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  • djb28 wrote:I dont care what it costs. Its not my money.

    Just get someone who can make the other QB fall down and go boom!

    Or like that great Coach Robin Williams said, "Go out and attack all the O's on the field" :16:
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  • Abraham won't sign with us unless the Niners and other teams in a warmer, dryer climates than ours severely undercut his value. Bold prediction: He'll be a Niner when it's all said and done.
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  • He will get way more playing time for Seattle than SF, after the way Brandon Jacobs and Randy Moss got treate, and how much of a d-bag that Harbaugh is I don't think they are that desierable. Plus we crushed them and a younger and only getting better, they are starting their decline now.
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  • Plus, Abraham has to decide this late in his career if he's ready and to not Bly change defensive schemes, but defensive positions.

    In SF he'd play OLB.
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  • McGruff wrote:
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    Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

    Bull. LEO doesn't have to stand up, but it's a hallmark of the position since Carroll coined the term LEO.


    A review of Clemons' snaps over the last three years proves otherwise. Clemons is in the up position maybe 10-20% of the time.

    And I'm to believe that you just went over watched tape of every down for the last three years and counted. Riiiight.

    Tell me, what percentage of each down was Clemons standing? You got to the other numbers so fast, surely you have that stat right at your fingertips.
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  • Looks like he was just estimating. Simmer down.
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  • Wenhawk wrote:He will get way more playing time for Seattle than SF, after the way Brandon Jacobs and Randy Moss got treate, and how much of a d-bag that Harbaugh is I don't think they are that desierable. Plus we crushed them and a younger and only getting better, they are starting their decline now.


    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but SF is going to be annoyingly elite and a thorn in our sides for years to come.
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    Wenhawk wrote:He will get way more playing time for Seattle than SF, after the way Brandon Jacobs and Randy Moss got treate, and how much of a d-bag that Harbaugh is I don't think they are that desierable. Plus we crushed them and a younger and only getting better, they are starting their decline now.


    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but SF is going to be annoyingly elite and a thorn in our sides for years to come.



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  • Lady Talon wrote:This is the offseason, you can bring in multiple D linemen to challenge each other. since our DE depth was exposed last year, as well as 3 tech DT futility after J Jones was injured, I'm all for a FA DT signing like D. Bryant (or maybe a player like Vance Walker whose a run stuffer and gets penetration) and bringing in a high pick DT and 2-3 more draft picks of DE's along with Abraham. I don't expect all of them to be on the roster. But it will protect against a Clemons cut (not out of the question) and foster competition for the best DL we can build.


    This is the off-season but there is still a salary cap and guaranteed portions in contracts. You can bring in multiple guys to take a look at but you have to be careful. You're playing with fire doing that with FA's unless you are getting them on vet minimum deals with no guarantee's or signing bonuses (which is no one that's been mentioned here so far). One of the biggest focuses of this off-season will be rolling over as much money as possible so we can be ready for the big contracts coming up.

    People seem to be failing to realize we're actually in a little worst shape then it seems with our cap. We actually have the highest paid Offense in the league next year!
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  • Wonder if this raises the pressure to sign Abraham. Cullen Jenkins signed with Giants today.
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  • King Dog wrote:
    Wenhawk wrote:He will get way more playing time for Seattle than SF, after the way Brandon Jacobs and Randy Moss got treate, and how much of a d-bag that Harbaugh is I don't think they are that desierable. Plus we crushed them and a younger and only getting better, they are starting their decline now.


    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but SF is going to be annoyingly elite and a thorn in our sides for years to come.


    Yeah, I fail to see this 'decline' a few people are wishfully mentioning. The 9ers have plenty of good seasons ahead of them and a great coaching staff. They also dominated against GB and the Pat's...teams we barely scraped out a win against AT HOME. That's before even mentioning our losses to weak teams on the road. Great teams dominate mediocre teams like Detroit and GB, as SF did. Oh, and let's not forget about the almighty Dolphins.

    This team needs to prove that they can consistently win road games. If they can't figure that out, they'll be second or third fiddle in a strengthened NFC West.
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  • DJrmb wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:This is the offseason, you can bring in multiple D linemen to challenge each other. since our DE depth was exposed last year, as well as 3 tech DT futility after J Jones was injured, I'm all for a FA DT signing like D. Bryant (or maybe a player like Vance Walker whose a run stuffer and gets penetration) and bringing in a high pick DT and 2-3 more draft picks of DE's along with Abraham. I don't expect all of them to be on the roster. But it will protect against a Clemons cut (not out of the question) and foster competition for the best DL we can build.


    This is the off-season but there is still a salary cap and guaranteed portions in contracts. You can bring in multiple guys to take a look at but you have to be careful. You're playing with fire doing that with FA's unless you are getting them on vet minimum deals with no guarantee's or signing bonuses (which is no one that's been mentioned here so far). One of the biggest focuses of this off-season will be rolling over as much money as possible so we can be ready for the big contracts coming up.

    People seem to be failing to realize we're actually in a little worst shape then it seems with our cap. We actually have the highest paid Offense in the league next year!
    http://www.overthecap.com/offensebreakdown.php?Year=2013


    If Branch and Jones sign elsewhere, and Clemons isn't recovering fast enough to justify PUP listing him for months and swallowing his salary and gets cut, there goes a large slice of money that was allocated to the DL.

    In that situation, signing Bryant to a fair contract and Abraham to a lesser 1 year along with 1 first round rookie contract, and about 2 late round minimum contracts for competition wouldn't exactly bust the Seahawk's bank.

    I wasn't playing addition and forgetting my subtraction.
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  • I am concerned that, with Cullen Jenkins signing, Abraham's price has gone up since the FA pass-rushers' market is a bit thinner. I know that Jenkins plays on the interior, but still, it seems like the market tends to lump the pass-rushing market all together regardless of where the player lines up.

    Getting Jason Jones back is a must, IMO, injury history be damned. He was effective at getting a significant push when he played, and his work alone got Bruce Irvin some early sacks on stunts.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:If Branch and Jones sign elsewhere, and Clemons isn't recovering fast enough to justify PUP listing him for months and swallowing his salary and gets cut, there goes a large slice of money that was allocated to the DL.

    In that situation, signing Bryant to a fair contract and Abraham to a lesser 1 year along with 1 first round rookie contract, and about 2 late round minimum contracts for competition wouldn't exactly bust the Seahawk's bank.

    I wasn't playing addition and forgetting my subtraction.

    Well Branch and Jones currently aren't counting against the cap so there's no real saving there (though I know what you mean, we'll have to apply some money as we have to fill those positions with someone). As far as cutting Clemons, I don't think that's very likely. He still has guaranteed money on his contract so you would only save about 2.3M and that is only if he's healthy. If you cut him because he's hurt as you suggest then you have to give him an injury settlement which would likely eat up most if not all of what you would have saved...
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