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 Post subject: Re: Sherman on ESPN first take. 12:30
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Skip was clearly being a dick, but Sherman clearly let Skip get to him. By looking unprofessional, Sherman looked weak. I hope Sherman learns that he looked weak, and therefore gets back to impersonal trash talking. But overall he is an intelligent dude so I'm not really too worried about anything he does -- he know's what he's doing.

Sherman never got emotional. He was insulting, but not emotional. He brought up a very important issue that not only applies to Skip Bayless but the entire media from Fox News to ESPN, from the sports to the political to every issue in general. These guys spout off all day every day without a trace of factual evidence to back them up. It didn't used to be that way. They teach you that in journalism it's NOT supposed to be that way, but it is.
I'm glad to see at least one mediot get hammered for it.

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The beginning and the end of the interview (if you can call it an interview) I'm fine with, but the middle part where Sherm's personally attacking Bayless was bush league at best. Sherm's better than that.

Here's the problem Sherman's creating for himself by going after everyone and anyone that says something bad about him. He's leaving himself no room for error. Sherman's put himself so high up on a pedestal publicly with all this chest thumping that there's nowhere for him to go but down. He's created a persona that everyone other than Hawk fans will be rooting against him.

I think that's the part that drives him. Like another poster said, it forces Sherman to elevate his level of play because he's left himself no room for error. He has to show up or be laughed off the field.




I guess what I'm trying to say is up until yesterday I was on Sherm's side because he always kept everything light and fun...........but with Bayless it crossed over into mean and ugly territory.


I don't mind subtle sarcastic jabs one and again but this wasn't subtle at all, Sherman was hurt and he responded with foolish comments, there is really no other way to state it. He needs to stay away from the media for a while imo. :179419:

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Bayless is mean and ugly. He got what he deserved and its nice to see someone stand up to him finally.


You're cut from the same cloth as Sherman, I guess? lol Who cares what the guy looks like.

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I love Sherman's story, but I guess thats where I would have wanted him to settle in. If he wants to take on Bayless, im all for it. But why not calmly sit there and reflect on his accomplishments? All we heard was "Im all pro-stanford grad".... not int numbers, passes defended, his background, etc... Or, since he was interested in comparing his successes with Bayless, how many awards has Bayless won, or the shambles of his writing career? It just became a name calling adventure. And that's the thing, Sherman had the ammo.

Im not judging Sherman. Like you said, he's done nothing wrong. As a fan, i just think its getting old. No, he's not going to dial it down. But at what point does this self promotion start to hinder the team? When does he go from Deion to Owens? Thats my only concern.


Well said. If he planned to break that 4th wall and expose Skip the person behind the hot air, he could have compiled a laundry list of comparables. The Deion to Owens thing nailed it. As long as he doesn't start interviewing with everybody this way, I too hold out hope that Sherman's excellent play and that great smile will charm his way into peoples' hearts. There will be some bumps, but I think he'll get there.

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Skip was clearly being a dick, but Sherman clearly let Skip get to him. By looking unprofessional, Sherman looked weak. I hope Sherman learns that he looked weak, and therefore gets back to impersonal trash talking. But overall he is an intelligent dude so I'm not really too worried about anything he does -- he know's what he's doing.

Sherman never got emotional. He was insulting, but not emotional. He brought up a very important issue that not only applies to Skip Bayless but the entire media from Fox News to ESPN, from the sports to the political to every issue in general. These guys spout off all day every day without a trace of factual evidence to back them up. It didn't used to be that way. They teach you that in journalism it's NOT supposed to be that way, but it is.
I'm glad to see at least one mediot get hammered for it.


Thats not the point, do you think by Sherman doing this, it's somehow going to change what the media does? Lets not confuse what the media's job description is which is basically to be an asshole, to ask stupid questions, to get a reaction for the most part at least in sports reporting it is. Anyone can be a casual sports journalist but thats not why Skip is where he is.... sadly. There is too many journalists out there for everyone to do the same thing and become famous for it. Skip was just doing his job. Richard Sherman doesn't have the longevity to talk like this, but then again what do I know since being an All Pro is all thats important to a players career. I don't want to sound like I'm against Sherman because I'm not but some of his facts were dumb some of his statements were dumb, simple as that, as a person I can say that. This whole thing is silly and I wish we could just erase it. First help bring a super bowl to Seattle then you can talk some more.

EDIT: I think the deadspin video was edited to make Sherman look worse than he was, I just heard more of the audio version and it sounds like Sherman has more of a level head to start, so maybe it's not as bad as it first seemed, still it was dumb overall.

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Many say it was ugly, but having the balls to go after Bayless where it may have seemed awkward to hear Sherman will have a bunch of support from Professional Athletes across all sports, Bayless is nothing more then a Instigator of controversial propaganda when it comes to sports. Call him Jerry Springer of sports or as someone said Howard Stern.

I would be willing to bet that Sherman will never be caught in that type of situation again without being completly prepared to take someone down a bit more surgically.

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I love Sherman and this didn't change that.

As Mark Cuban made very clear, Skip's entire career is based on stating his broad opinions as facts. If you don't think so, refresh your knowledge of the meaning of 'fact' and 'opinion' then listen very closely. He can't answer a simple question like 'what defense were they running?' He spews tired, uneducated clichés like 'they wanted it more' and he represents the inner workings of athletes' brains as if he were their therapist or confidant.

This laziness gets a pass from most because in the long run it's much less important than so many other real-life things. But that's how mediocrity thrives, by not being important enough to get worked up over. There is an art to being just annoying enough to be relevant and there is an art to being just vague enough to not get called out for being wrong. These are not terribly specialized artforms, but Skip has made a career of it. That doesn't mean everyone has to play along. Mark Cuban didn't. And Richard Sherman wouldn't even pretend to do it. Just MHO, but I bet there are loads of professional athletes out there who would love to have done what Sherman did on that show, but don't want to deal with the backlash.

Richard Sherman not only escaped Compton, but has risen to the top of his professional field via Stanford, then the Seahawks. He feels compelled to let people – the people who keep questioning him or flat out trying to put him down – know the facts. Maybe this stems from growing up in a place where a person with dreams gets a lot more grief than support. Maybe Richard Sherman has the perfect balance of self-assuredness, outspokenness, and work ethic to succeed where others from similar backgrounds and circumstances fail.

Maybe he has been doubted and disrespected his whole life, from pee-wee, to high school, to college, where his coach tried to marginalize him, to the national media where an attention-seeking, opinion-as-fact spewing talk show host uses the time leading up to the interview to knowingly rile up the interviewee with put-downs.

For anyone unsure of why Sherman would go on the show, think of it this way. Imagine if a sports columnist started saying things about you in his column like, "You are not a great poster. Your statements and ideas are nowhere near as good as (So-n-so .NET screen name)." If this went on for a few weeks or more, and this columnist was known for badgering other posters, maybe you would feel the need to respond. Maybe not. What if the columnist said the same thing about your professional career? What if you were about to go on a show to discuss your recent charitable events, or to answer the question, "How good do you think you are at your job?" and the interviewer spent the time leading up to the interview saying you are nowhere near as good as another guy in your organization. No numbers, no facts, just "you are not nearly as good." I'm not a trash talker myself, but I'd be a little steamed. Either way, it is at least understandable why Sherman wanted to call out Skip and do it no-holds-barred.


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The beginning and the end of the interview (if you can call it an interview) I'm fine with, but the middle part where Sherm's personally attacking Bayless was bush league at best. Sherm's better than that.

Here's the problem Sherman's creating for himself by going after everyone and anyone that says something bad about him. He's leaving himself no room for error. Sherman's put himself so high up on a pedestal publicly with all this chest thumping that there's nowhere for him to go but down. He's created a persona that everyone other than Hawk fans will be rooting against him.

I think that's the part that drives him. Like another poster said, it forces Sherman to elevate his level of play because he's left himself no room for error. He has to show up or be laughed off the field.




I guess what I'm trying to say is up until yesterday I was on Sherm's side because he always kept everything light and fun...........but with Bayless it crossed over into mean and ugly territory.

I hear ya. From what I understand of Sherman, he seems to give what he gets. He's said before,there'd be games where him and the WR he's facing don't even say a word to eachother. Then there's those that challenge him and he steps right up and accepts. So with Bayless, after weeks of spewing nonsense about Sherman, he got the same in return.


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No offense hawkaroundtheclock... but Sherman went on the show because he craves attention and conflict. Thats it. How you deal with a guy like Bayless is ignore him, or challenge him with facts. Sherman did neither. He responded emotionally.

I could care less except for when you have chance to take on a douche like Bayless, you have to be prepared. Sherman wasnt, and what that shows me is he was only interested in furthering the attention around him.

whether its a big deal is yet to be seen, but as a fan i'd prefer Sherman step away from the spotlight for a bit


No offense taken. We're all just sharing ideas. Speaking of which, how should Sherman have been better prepared? With more facts? He's been doing that constantly ever since Super Bowl week! And Skip still gives him an earful of 'you are not in the same stratosphere as Revis' leading right up to interview time? How many facts can Sherman restate?

Skip's entire career rests on zings and barbs disguised as knowledgeable sports talk. Sherman recognized his game and played it better. It's not a coincidence that this is the first time we've ever seen Sherman get chippy and emotional like that. I argue that he WAS prepared for the show and he was prepared to do what many others have wanted to but wouldn't. He was not caught off guard nor was he shaken. He knew exactly what the show is and what he went there to do. He bullied a bully, plain and simple. Sure that makes for some tense and even uncomfortable TV, but don't pretend that Sherman was duped into a playground exchange he didn't want to be a part of.

Now, ignoring Skip might be how you and I would handle it, but why should we expect any other individual to handle it like we would? Because it's the only right way? Because it gets you more favor with other national media or NFL fans? Those are so unimportant to Richard Sherman. Yes, he wants attention, but he's not going to shake his ass in public unless he knows he can back it up on the field. Put another way, he is not going to 'dial it down' or 'dumb it down' or quiet down just to get approval in the sports columns and message boards.

Aside from winning a Super Bowl, Richard Sherman seems to want two things in his professional life: to be the best corner the game has ever seen, and for people to acknowledge his accomplishments. I don't see anything wrong with that or with how he chooses to go about attaining those goals. When he was selected 1st team All-Pro, that was an achievement toward his second goal. For Skip to come off like Sherman has not attained anything, or is nowhere near the discussion of the best cornerbacks in the NFL is absolutely worthy of an emotional comeback.

I feel ya, though, it's not the way I would handle it. I am flat-out AWFUL at self-promotion. I am like the anti-Sherman in that sense. Doesn't mean it's the only way or even the best way. I'll trust a guy that earned his way out of Compton, into Stanford, and onto a tough roster as a 5th round draft choice. I'll trust a guy who earned his place with those 50 writers as one of the best in the league in his first complete season to know what is best for himself without placing my particular value system on him.



I love Sherman's story, but I guess thats where I would have wanted him to settle in. If he wants to take on Bayless, im all for it. But why not calmly sit there and reflect on his accomplishments? All we heard was "Im all pro-stanford grad".... not int numbers, passes defended, his background, etc... Or, since he was interested in comparing his successes with Bayless, how many awards has Bayless won, or the shambles of his writing career? It just became a name calling adventure. And that's the thing, Sherman had the ammo.

Im not judging Sherman. Like you said, he's done nothing wrong. As a fan, i just think its getting old. No, he's not going to dial it down. But at what point does this self promotion start to hinder the team? When does he go from Deion to Owens? Thats my only concern.


But Sherman did go there, he did say all of those things. He repeatedly said 12 INTs in 26 games. Over and over and over he said that. I would personally love it if ESPN had the balls to put Terrell Suggs, Mark Cuban, and Richard Sherman all at a table across from Skip Bayless for about 15 minutes. Skip would retire on the spot.


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But Sherman did go there, he did say all of those things. He repeatedly said 12 INTs in 26 games. Over and over and over he said that. I would personally love it if ESPN had the balls to put Terrell Suggs, Mark Cuban, and Richard Sherman all at a table across from Skip Bayless for about 15 minutes. Skip would retire on the spot.


I'd love to see him have a chat with Sherman and the man who he rips the most out of, Lebron James. It'd be must see TV.

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I don't know how anyone that saw Sherman's facial expressions on that show could say he didn't get emotional. Virtually every time Sherman has gone after someone in the past, he has been smiling very noticeably. This time, his facial language was very different. He was flat-out pissed.

He definitely got emotional on this one, but I love him anyways.

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Oh, well. At least none of the trained seals have mentioned Kelly Jennings. I'd call that progress!

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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.

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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.

Great idea. Lets get rid of T.O version 2.0 the biggest cancer ever! /sarcasm

Seriously? He has swagger, and he's good. Something we have never had. I love sherman and I hope he plays for us for a long time.


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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.


THIS!

Is a horrible idea.

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My guess, knowing that show, is that much of it was scripted.

Skip Bayless is loving all attention.

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My guess, knowing that show, is that much of it was scripted.

Skip Bayless is loving all attention.


This was my impression. I'm thinking that much of it was agreed upon before the show, and Sherm was trying to ad-lib his way through it.

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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.

Wow...most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yeah, let's trade our all-pro DB because he talks too much. It's a good thing you're just a CASUAL fan.


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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.


My 49er fan alert just went wild, where's peaches to confirm this?

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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.


My 49er fan alert just went wild, where's peaches to confirm this?


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I would be all for trading sherm....dude is a goof. I was a casual seahawk fan his first year and I remember he cost us a penalty on a MNF game for his stupid antics. It was so stupid I remembered him...for wrong reason. Get rid of him while his stock is high.


My 49er fan alert just went wild, where's peaches to confirm this?


True that, takes one to know one.


You shut up!

And bubbrubb is a Browns fan, anyone can see that.

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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


Come on, man. Not even close. Skip does NOTHING but make a living talking about how he thinks other people are not doing their job well and he does so with a veil of authority that is only opinion masquerading as fact.

Richard Sherman shuts down one side of the football field for a living. In his spare time he inspires children to better themselves and set goals, he tweets counterarguments to people telling him he isn't as good as other players, and he's an engaging interview (see the NFL AM stuff). This one time he took a personal angle on an argument with the aforementioned man who makes a living by personally disparaging professional athletes.

People can say that commenting on athletes' play is not personal, but Skip says things like 'he didn't show up' or 'he didn't want it enough' when he could not possibly know those things. THAT is the ridiculousness of Skip Bayless, and those are the tamest examples. Sherman played him at his own game in one interview, but that's not what he does for a living. BIG difference.

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Wow I should have stopped reading this thread a few pages ago...
Can't believe how people see this as anything other than Sherm finishing a beef that Skip started
KEEP TALKIN SHERM! GO HAWKS!

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hah, been a seahawk fan my whole life, but holmgren era tested that. Sherm is annoying...I think he's a goof....I like the whole secondary but him. Just like the one poster said, you guys harp on Bayless/Smith for yapping uncontrollably, but Sherm is in same boat.

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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


How so? Shermans just giving him a taste of his own medicine. That's why I and many others love it. Is Sherman always like that? No! Bayless is. It's about time someone put him in his place


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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


How so? Shermans just giving him a taste of his own medicine. That's why I and many others love it. Is Sherman always like that? No! Bayless is. It's about time someone put him in his place

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Sherman didn't put anyone in their place. Anyone who is being honest with themselves knows he looked stupid. Young guy that was too jacked up. It's not that he attacked Skip, it's that he poorly articulated himself. The things he said were just stupid. Sherman better back it up on the field.

Wonder what Scheinder and Pete are thinking. Bet it isn't what most Hawks homers are saying.


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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


How so? Shermans just giving him a taste of his own medicine. That's why I and many others love it. Is Sherman always like that? No! Bayless is. It's about time someone put him in his place


You can put someone in their place without stooping to name calling and "I'm better than you" like some 12 year old.

The entire sports media world would have been standing and cheering if Sherm would have just kept it to what he said during the last minute of the interview. But the reason people aren't is because Sherman made it personal and went down the juvenile name calling road.

Again, it's not hard to debate idiots like Bayless with a little more class and tact. That's all some of us are saying. No need to get nasty.

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hah, been a seahawk fan my whole life, but holmgren era tested that. Sherm is annoying...I think he's a goof....I like the whole secondary but him. Just like the one poster said, you guys harp on Bayless/Smith for yapping uncontrollably, but Sherm is in same boat.

Just calling it like I see it my brother...er.....


But he's arguably the best player in the secondary and you in all your genius said we should trade him. That's not going to go over well with anyone, whether you like him or not.

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hah, been a seahawk fan my whole life, but holmgren era tested that. Sherm is annoying...I think he's a goof....I like the whole secondary but him. Just like the one poster said, you guys harp on Bayless/Smith for yapping uncontrollably, but Sherm is in same boat.

Just calling it like I see it my brother...er.....


Dominating the NFC West more often than not and getting to the SB tested you? Man you're one hard man to please. And you're the one that called yourself a casual Seahawk fan, so I don't know what you're trying to defend here.

You like the whole secondary but him? ET and Sherm are the 2 best. Yeah, let's get rid of Sherm because "he's a goof". Weird how you've been a Seahawk fan your whole life but can't appreciate an all-pro shutdown corner. You can hate him as a person, but to not even want him on your team, is ridiculous.


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Great job by Sherm. Bayless has been a bully that doesn't expect to have to be accountable for what he says as a lot of athletes are easygoing and let Skip get awat with that stuff (Lebron, Kobe). But some guys take him to task: Cuban, Suggs; and now Sherm.

Sherm brought facts (All-pro, statistics, Stanford grad) while Bayless only used opinion. Most of the time Sherm is cordial and upbeat with his trash talking, this time he decided to be the bad guy to take on the bully. Somewhere Lebron, Kobe, Flacco and other past targets are slow clapping.

Bayless is like the annoying goofs at the games that run their mouth about pro athletes knowing that they'll never have to answer for it, only this time the pro athlete brought the fight. Sherm is that dude.


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Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


Come on, man. Not even close. Skip does NOTHING but make a living talking about how he thinks other people are not doing their job well and he does so with a veil of authority that is only opinion masquerading as fact.

Richard Sherman shuts down one side of the football field for a living. In his spare time he inspires children to better themselves and set goals, he tweets counterarguments to people telling him he isn't as good as other players, and he's an engaging interview (see the NFL AM stuff). This one time he took a personal angle on an argument with the aforementioned man who makes a living by personally disparaging professional athletes.

People can say that commenting on athletes' play is not personal, but Skip says things like 'he didn't show up' or 'he didn't want it enough' when he could not possibly know those things. THAT is the ridiculousness of Skip Bayless, and those are the tamest examples. Sherman played him at his own game in one interview, but that's not what he does for a living. BIG difference.

Good, so you agree with me as well. Bayless makes things personal so Sherman "went there" and made things personal.

Again, The reasons people are complaining about Bayless are the same things Sherman did in this interview. Sherman has been great on NFLAM, Bleacher Report, and others but this was not good.

I strongly dislike Bayless and i LOVE Sherman but Bayless pulled him right into this trap and down to his level. Sherman has said that he talks to WRs to throw them off their game and unfortunately Bayless actually played Sherman the same way.


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Now, if Sherm could somehow show up on the Nancy Grace show and hand that nasty loud mouth bitch the same treatment.

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Sherman knows what he's doing. Just like that, he's signed with powerful agents Ben Dogra and Jimmy Sexton. Two of their clients are Mario Williams and Adrian Peterson. You may think Sherman looks foolish, but the guy's calculated and intelligent.

The agency also signed many of the the biggest names in the upcoming draft.


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Interesting read for 10+ pages.
I expected Hawk fans would like anything Sherman does but I cannot see how more of you do not see how this was way overboard and crossed the line. I have spoken to a few of my Hawk friends and tbh they are sensible and dont really like that Sherm went crazy like that. He should do just what he mentioned, "Let the tape speak for itself"! He has got his 15+ minutes of fame and he will get his money in a few seasons.(wait til you have to pay that bill :P )

My opinion is he completely reminds me of an even more crazed Terrel Owens, who never could just let his great play speak for him, instead he would seek out media attention and it always worked against him rather he saw it that way or not. Sharpie anyone?

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FargoHawk wrote:
Interesting that the people who hate Bayless for being loud, obnoxious, and opinionated are the same people who are backing our loud, obnoxious, and opinionated CB.


How so? Shermans just giving him a taste of his own medicine. That's why I and many others love it. Is Sherman always like that? No! Bayless is. It's about time someone put him in his place


You can put someone in their place without stooping to name calling and "I'm better than you" like some 12 year old.

The entire sports media world would have been standing and cheering if Sherm would have just kept it to what he said during the last minute of the interview. But the reason people aren't is because Sherman made it personal and went down the juvenile name calling road.

Again, it's not hard to debate idiots like Bayless with a little more class and tact. That's all some of us are saying. No need to get nasty.


I disagree. Being on the show? That was the mistake. getting nasty with Bayless? Might as well, you are on his shitty show now. ONce you decide to swim in the sewer, own the stink. Even if Sherman had never opened the way he did, he was never asked onto that show to talk about charity work. The questions that followed later were intended to make him look like an ass. Bayless tried to set him up to disrespect the Niners (he didn't take the bait), disrespect the Redskins (thank goodness he didn't come out and say that if RGIII were healthy we still would have beat them), disrespect his teammates (the whole thing about him being so good because of our front 7 could have been a disaster if Sherm had pointed out the truth about just how they actually played down the stretch).

Sherm was told he was going to be on First Take to describe his SWAG charity. Most of you have only watched the snippet in the youtube video, right before the commercial break that preceded the show Sherman was described by Bayless as badmouthing Tom Brady (not true), getting slapped by a Skins player for talking trash (also not true), and not belonging in the same conversation as Revis (seeing as both have been voted all-pros, that is also untrue). The whole intent of the dialogue before the break was to Eff with Sherman just before he came on air.

Skip Bayless does this shit for money. If Sherm were not going to be on, I would never watch it. Bayless is a life long troll who built his career not on being good at journalism, but on being controversial. He came up in the newspaper biz and was hated by the readers in every city he was in, who could not wait to plunk their quarters down to read what the guy they hated would write tomorrow.

Keep in mind, thought, Sherm had to know what could happen before he agreed to be on this show. Don't forget, we are talking about the guy who trolled fans at the Super Bowl just to see the look on their faces when they realized they had been bagging on a pro player to his own face. ANd know that the next time Sherman does well, he will rub in in Skip's face. And the next time Sherman has a mistake, Bayless will rub it in the world's face. It won't matter how many rings Sherman has on his hand either.

And ESPN is laughing at all of us, all the way to the bank.

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Sherman knows what he's doing. Just like that, he's signed with powerful agents Ben Dogra and Jimmy Sexton. Two of their clients are Mario Williams and Adrian Peterson. You may think Sherman looks foolish, but the guy's calculated and intelligent.

The agency also signed many of the the biggest names in the upcoming draft.

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Interesting read for 10+ pages.
I expected Hawk fans would like anything Sherman does but I cannot see how more of you do not see how this was way overboard and crossed the line. I have spoken to a few of my Hawk friends and tbh they are sensible and dont really like that Sherm went crazy like that. He should do just what he mentioned, "Let the tape speak for itself"! He has got his 15+ minutes of fame and he will get his money in a few seasons.(wait til you have to pay that bill :P )

My opinion is he completely reminds me of an even more crazed Terrel Owens, who never could just let his great play speak for him, instead he would seek out media attention and it always worked against him rather he saw it that way or not. Sharpie anyone?

And yet, when given the chance on First take to talk shit about your Niners, he gave them props for winning the division. Respect. For the division winners.

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Sherm could have kept his cool better and stuck his stats to Skip (simply put: One season that matches Revis's best season should put Sherman in the conversation), but he wasn't hired for his ability to debate on national TV. Who cares if he gave a bad(ly articulated) interview? I only care if he helps take the Hawks to the next level by his play on the field, and I'll support him as long as he is a member of our team.

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FargoHawk wrote:
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Sherman knows what he's doing. Just like that, he's signed with powerful agents Ben Dogra and Jimmy Sexton. Two of their clients are Mario Williams and Adrian Peterson. You may think Sherman looks foolish, but the guy's calculated and intelligent.

The agency also signed many of the the biggest names in the upcoming draft.

What exactly are you implying?

That he's setting himself up to make a lot of money.


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Just in case you all forgot, Skip got his big break by calling Troy Aikman homosexual in one of his books to get people to read it. That is Skip Bayless. He deserves every insult that anyone throws at him at any time. He's the guy that would have been stoned to death or thrown out of town if this was the 1700's.


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I don't know why people are on here excusing Bayless for throwing darts at Sherman not expecting him to send a few back his way?


Maybe because an athlete of Sherman's stature should be above stopping down to SKIP BAYLESS levels? Do you see LeBron James going on first take? Hell no.

Plus, his trash talk wasn't even that great. He was way too emotional and sounded on the verge of tears. Sherman had nothing at all to gain by going on that show


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I don't think one person in 12 pages has professed the most remote inkling of respect for nor admiration of Skip Bayless. But, thanks.

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The beginning and the end of the interview (if you can call it an interview) I'm fine with, but the middle part where Sherm's personally attacking Bayless was bush league at best. Sherm's better than that.

Here's the problem Sherman's creating for himself by going after everyone and anyone that says something bad about him. He's leaving himself no room for error. Sherman's put himself so high up on a pedestal publicly with all this chest thumping that there's nowhere for him to go but down. He's created a persona that everyone other than Hawk fans will be rooting against him.


I wonder when it comes contract extension time and Sherman is likely demanding one of the larger defensive contracts in the game how his act will be viewed here then?

In my opinion when his brashness turns into wanting to get paid, and there's no way I can imagine a guy making peanuts right now and self proclaiming himself the best in the game won't demand more money than anyone, people here won't be supporting him as much anymore(though he'll still likely have a lot of fans if he plays well)


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The beginning and the end of the interview (if you can call it an interview) I'm fine with, but the middle part where Sherm's personally attacking Bayless was bush league at best. Sherm's better than that.

Here's the problem Sherman's creating for himself by going after everyone and anyone that says something bad about him. He's leaving himself no room for error. Sherman's put himself so high up on a pedestal publicly with all this chest thumping that there's nowhere for him to go but down. He's created a persona that everyone other than Hawk fans will be rooting against him.


I wonder when it comes contract extension time and Sherman is likely demanding one of the larger defensive contracts in the game how his act will be viewed here then?

In my opinion when his brashness turns into wanting to get paid, and there's no way I can imagine a guy making peanuts right now and self proclaiming himself the best in the game won't demand more money than anyone, people here won't be supporting him as much anymore(though he'll still likely have a lot of fans if he plays well)

If he continues to play at the level he's playing at, he deserves to get paid. It's no secret that Sherman and Wilson are incredibly underpaid by NFL standards. I expect him to demand Revis+ money if he plays this well going forward. And I'll support him as long as he's a Seahawk. If he leaves, then sayonara.

It's the same thing if Sherman was on the Niners. We would be bashing him. You guys would be defending him.


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If he continues to play at the level he's playing at, he deserves to get paid. It's no secret that Sherman and Wilson are incredibly underpaid by NFL standards. I expect him to demand Revis+ money if he plays this well going forward. And I'll support him as long as he's a Seahawk. If he leaves, then sayonara.

It's the same thing if Sherman was on the Niners. We would be bashing him. You guys would be defending him.


True. There's no debating Sherman's talent. Guys who are really outspoken though tend to have some pretty messy/difficult contract extensions though. I think he's walking a really fine line in which right now a lot of people love him, but that might not be the case in a few years.

I would be kind of concerned about how he'd react if he felt like Seattle was disrespecting him in contract negotiations or he wasn't being taken care of, just based on his personality in the media. It might be tough to give the guy what he wants with so many other Seahawk players who are good and young also going to be needing contract(the gift and the curse of drafting so well like Seattle has done).


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If he continues to play at the level he's playing at, he deserves to get paid. It's no secret that Sherman and Wilson are incredibly underpaid by NFL standards. I expect him to demand Revis+ money if he plays this well going forward. And I'll support him as long as he's a Seahawk. If he leaves, then sayonara.

It's the same thing if Sherman was on the Niners. We would be bashing him. You guys would be defending him.


True. There's no debating Sherman's talent. Guys who are really outspoken though tend to have some pretty messy/difficult contract extensions though. I think he's walking a really fine line in which right now a lot of people love him, but that might not be the case in a few years.

I would be kind of concerned about how he'd react if he felt like Seattle was disrespecting him in contract negotiations or he wasn't being taken care of, just based on his personality in the media. It might be tough to give the guy what he wants with so many other Seahawk players who are good and young also going to be needing contract(the gift and the curse of drafting so well like Seattle has done).

That's true. Too many young guys playing out of their mind on rookie contracts. There's no doubt, not all of them will be retained. As for Sherman, being as he's my favorite current Seahawk, I tend to look into more of the context of these situations he's in. We get to know him a little better, and I've yet to see him disrespect someone that didn't disrespect him first. But I can understand from an outsiders perspective how he'd seem like just a loud, obnoxious ME type of guy when that's all you really get to see of him outside of a few Sundays a season.


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