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 Post subject: Re: What we do not need
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:43 am 
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We don't need losses. Those are bad. Especially in the playoffs. We tried that last year and it didn't work.


It's pretty hard to argue with this kind of logic.

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I'm sorry but this post just seems entirely predicated on a single stat without any thought into the actual player or scheme. Im so sick of hearing about how he lead rooies in some stat completely devoid of context like it means much. Irvin would get destroyed as the starter at LEO.


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Pass rush, pass rush, pass rush. On defense, that is the most important part of the game. You can never have enough pass rushers.


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Pretty sure they a confident their long term starter is already on the roster . . . Irvin .


And who replaces Irvin when he replaces Clemons? Who's our depth? Some guy who's name sounds like Chupacabra?

That Chupacabra signing might have been the most desperate in Seahawks franchise history btw. The guy hadn't played in the NFL in three years, and hadn't played at any level in two years. And he was well over 30. And he was never any good. And of course, he had zero impact in that Atlanta game. I'm not even sure if he played.

I think Pete still has nightmares about it. He won't let that happen in 2013.


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Pretty sure they a confident their long term starter is already on the roster . . . Irvin .


And who replaces Irvin when he replaces Clemons? Who's our depth? Some guy who's name sounds like Chupacabra?

That Chupacabra signing might have been the most desperate in Seahawks franchise history btw. The guy hadn't played in the NFL in three years, and hadn't played at any level in two years. And he was well over 30. And he was never any good. And of course, he had zero impact in that Atlanta game. I'm not even sure if he played.

I think Pete still has nightmares about it. He won't let that happen in 2013.


Totally agree . . . But do you spend 7 million on a Freeney/Osi free agent or a 1st round drafting for depth/occasional role player when you already have your long term starter on the roster.

I say no. I Say you sign a second tier free agent and/or mid round draft pick.

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i don't think we need to replace bruce irvin but we need to find a strong side defensive end in the justin tuck kind of mold. to improve the athleticism throughout the defensive line to help play against the spread offense and read-option. kind of like the giants d line of a few years ago


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I think a lot of you guys are right on both sides. We do need players that can challenge for the LEO spot and step in when need be. You prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. What if Irvin get's hurt this year in preseason? Then what do we do if we haven't brought in more Leo's?

However Leo is such an in-between sort of position that it's hard to carry multiple because you are wasting roster spots on guys that usually can't be plugged in elsewhere. It seems like a lot of guys that are good for the Leo are guys that failed as DE's or LB's. Like Clemons who was lost in the league (too small for DE and too big for LB) until coming here to play our hybrid position.

I think the correct way to satisfy both is to try and find guys that can be more than just a Leo. We shouldn't be targeting guys in the draft to just fit the Leo position but we should be targeting guys that we think could handle other positions full time (OLB, Normal DE) but also challenge or fill in at Leo if/when needed.


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If we sign the Chupacabra, Mexicans will support us and look what that did to Romney.

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From the game wrapup at PProFootballFocus.com
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There might not be a more important player to the Seahawks defense than Chris Clemons. We drew attention to that during the week and wondered where the pressure would come now that he was out of the line-up. The answer, unfortunately for Seattle, is that it didn’t come from anywhere. Bruce Irvin (-4.1) was ineffective as a full-time player, leading the Seattle D-line rotation with 47 snaps (tied with Brandon Mebane for the most), but produced only one hurry, and was visibly hesitant and slower off the ball when he had to diagnose the play first.

Combined the Seahawks could only pressure Matt Ryan on ten snaps, and only knocked him down once, with none of the defensive linemen accounting for more than three pressures in total. While Irvin might be an impressive rush-specialist, this game showed he has a long way to go if they ever want him to be an every down defensive end. If they don’t, then they need to find cover for Chris Clemons going forward.


The irony of McGruff's OP? He says both that Irvin was the only one providing pass rush and that we don't need another pass rusher. SMH

Yeah, it's just too bad that Clemmons didn't have any sacks to prove his worth :34853_doh:


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McGruff wrote:
kearly wrote:
McGruff wrote:
Pretty sure they a confident their long term starter is already on the roster . . . Irvin .


And who replaces Irvin when he replaces Clemons? Who's our depth? Some guy who's name sounds like Chupacabra?

That Chupacabra signing might have been the most desperate in Seahawks franchise history btw. The guy hadn't played in the NFL in three years, and hadn't played at any level in two years. And he was well over 30. And he was never any good. And of course, he had zero impact in that Atlanta game. I'm not even sure if he played.

I think Pete still has nightmares about it. He won't let that happen in 2013.


Totally agree . . . But do you spend 7 million on a Freeney/Osi free agent or a 1st round drafting for depth/occasional role player when you already have your long term starter on the roster.

I say no. I Say you sign a second tier free agent and/or mid round draft pick.


Look at it like this..it takes BOTH Justin Smith, AND Alden Smith to get the job done right, and by themselves, each are Pro Bowlers.
I love Irvin, BUT, he ain't going to get it done all by his lonesome, it's going to take an upgrade on the D-Line if we want to see him reach his potential sooner, rather than later, and I trust that Pete Carroll and John Schneider already have plans to address this in either FA's or the Draft.


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So right now we are going into next year with LEO's of Bruce Irvin and a hurt Clemon's coming off an ACL injury who we have no idea when he will be back to close to full strength. Irvin, in time might end up being a 3 own LEO but I sure as hell am not willing to bank a possible super bowl season on him being our full time starter at LEO. We need to bring in a LEO in free agency in some fashion whether it be a half season stop gap till Clemons gets healthy or a potential full time LEO for a year. As far as the draft goes I want us to take the best player available that has the biggest impact day 1 on this team. If we don't bring in a LEO in FA at all we will have to spend our first or second pick on a LEO unless of course Pete thinks Bruce is really to be a 3 down, well rounded LEO.

I think Bruce may be able to get to the point where he is a full time LEO but I see the position as bringing 3 things to the table. Those three things are pass rush, run defense and pass protection. Just going off what we have seen he is really only above average at one of the 3. Pass rush obviously. Our starting LEO needs to have at least 2 of those 3 qualities. Again, I am just not willing to bank this coming season on an unproven 3 down LEO and a mid to late round pick in the draft.


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Look at it like this..it takes BOTH Justin Smith, AND Alden Smith to get the job done right, and by themselves, each are Pro Bowlers.
I love Irvin, BUT, he ain't going to get it done all by his lonesome, it's going to take an upgrade on the D-Line if we want to see him reach his potential sooner, rather than later, and I trust that Pete Carroll and John Schneider already have plans to address this in either FA's or the Draft.


Yes . . . But Aldon Smith and Justin Smith don't play the same position, do they? Which is exactly my point.

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People doubting Irvin remind me of fans who called Browner garbage after the stealer game early last year. Players can and do play better with experience. Fans thought similar things about max Unger his first few years. People doubted Russell okung until this year. Irvin is by no means perfect, but it's ridiculous to me that people can convince themselves that he can't improve.

Is this the ghost of Aaron curry?

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I agree that we need a pass rushing three tech but they don't have one in the draft every year and most of the good ones are choosen later in the draft and developed. Defensive line is one of the hardest postitions for college players to pick up quick mario williams is a good example of the time it can take. the only real d lineman that did'nt have a learning curve had the last name suh that i can remember. the seahawks also have some young talent that did okay last year ( Scruggs, Irvin) they have to add more talent on the d line but they dont' need to force a pick i think they should pick the best pass rusher available and hopefully that player is either Richardson or Carradine.


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Look at it like this..it takes BOTH Justin Smith, AND Alden Smith to get the job done right, and by themselves, each are Pro Bowlers.
I love Irvin, BUT, he ain't going to get it done all by his lonesome, it's going to take an upgrade on the D-Line if we want to see him reach his potential sooner, rather than later, and I trust that Pete Carroll and John Schneider already have plans to address this in either FA's or the Draft.


Yes . . . But Aldon Smith and Justin Smith don't play the same position, do they? Which is exactly my point.


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