Register    Login    Forum    Search    FAQ    Contact Us  Your donations are greatly appreciated! Donate  Chat Room

Board index » SEAHAWKS.NET - THE VOICE OF THE 12TH MAN » [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 156 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:50 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
Posts: 4664
Location: The 5-0
aawolf wrote:
The answer is in the draft...EJ Manuel in the fourth round.


That's the problem with the 12 draft (plus Kaep). Traditionally, I'd expect Manuel to be there in the 4th (maybe not 25th in the 4th but....) but after the league witnessed an assload of wins by these rooks (plus Kaep), I won't be shocked if Manuel is gone by the time we pick in the 3rd (or even 2nd). Great idea though...if he was sitting there when we pick in the 4th, we'd have to take him.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:56 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 10:34 pm
Posts: 1084
how about taylor martinez?


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:04 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
Posts: 4664
Location: The 5-0
SharkHawk wrote:
T-Jack sucked. He took an awful offense and only squeezed as many wins out of it as Ring of Honor man Matt Hasselbeck. What a LOOOOOOSER. Some people need to lighten up. He's not Johnny Unitas, but he's not Art Schlicter either. He's a competent backup QB that is tough as hell and a good teammate. I didn't see Russ miss any snaps last year except when we were blowing people out. I think T-Jack and Russ would work well together. Who knows... maybe Russ could even teach T-Jack a thing or two. Guys have been known to pick things up when around supportive teammates. Many NFL QB's don't hit their peak for many years. I heard plenty of guys whine and gripe endlessly when their beloved 49ers gave up jack and squat for Steve Young the "run first turnover machine of Tampa Bay". Some guys need better coaching, better teammates, better situations, and they do fine. I'd love to have T-Jack back for the record, because I think he'd be a good influence on Russ. How? Because he wouldn't be pressuring him to be the starter. He'd be a supportive backup and help carry the load as a team leader because the team already respects the heck out of the man. Leadership is good. Even if it's coming from your second stringer, because he leads the 2nd's and preps them for action when needed. Next man up is prepared, because they play with a leader in practice.


T-Jack was (and is probably worse now) just too frikin indecisive. Easy for me to sit here as the Monday morning QB, but watching T-Jack run the offense, despite the wins, was excruciatingly painful. He was a tough guy but not much more.
I pray we never stop bringing in guys that will pressure our starters. In his football life, I sincerely doubt there was many years RW didn't feel (tremendous) pressure. The results of that pressure speak for themselves and I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:14 pm 
* Mr Random Thought *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:44 am
Posts: 9819
aawolf wrote:
The answer is in the draft...EJ Manuel in the fourth round.


If he lasts that long, definitely. I think Manuel will be a surprise pick in the 2nd round though (not by us, obviously). He's basically this year's Colin Kaepernick.

Anyway, assuming the Seahawks don't sign available undrafted players with mobility from last year (Zach Collaros, Darron Thomas)- if they wanted to they probably already would have- here are some options that I know of in the 2013 offseason for mobile QBs:

Free Agency:

T-Jack
Vince Young
Jason Campbell
Seneca Wallace (lol)
Chase Daniel (solid mobility, short, smart, reminds me of Case Keenum or Austin Davis from last year)

Mid to late round NFL Draft:

EJ Manuel (if he lasts that long) (he won't)
Matt Scott (a favorite of mine, but a few teams are interested in him)
Collin Klein (the closest thing this year to Tim Tebow)
Denard Robinson (more Antwaan Randle El than a true QB, but Seattle will probably draft him anyway)
Jordan Rodgers (brother of a very famous NFL QB)

It's not a long list. Wouldn't be surprised if Seattle or some other team pulled the trigger on Matt Scott in round 4 or 5, as this is a pretty weak year for mobile QBs.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:40 pm 
NET Rookie
User avatar
Online

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:13 pm
Posts: 236
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Surprised we didn't sign Josh Johnson when we brought him in. Seems like a good fit for backing up Wilson and would have been cheap.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:57 am 
* NET Baller *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 17368
Location: Graham, WA
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!


Except Wilson can actually throw and is a real QB.

_________________
Image
3elieve


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:42 am 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 7:26 am
Posts: 2767
SharkHawk wrote:
T-Jack sucked. He took an awful offense and only squeezed as many wins out of it as Ring of Honor man Matt Hasselbeck. What a LOOOOOOSER. Some people need to lighten up. He's not Johnny Unitas, but he's not Art Schlicter either. He's a competent backup QB that is tough as hell and a good teammate. I didn't see Russ miss any snaps last year except when we were blowing people out. I think T-Jack and Russ would work well together. Who knows... maybe Russ could even teach T-Jack a thing or two. Guys have been known to pick things up when around supportive teammates. Many NFL QB's don't hit their peak for many years. I heard plenty of guys whine and gripe endlessly when their beloved 49ers gave up jack and squat for Steve Young the "run first turnover machine of Tampa Bay". Some guys need better coaching, better teammates, better situations, and they do fine. I'd love to have T-Jack back for the record, because I think he'd be a good influence on Russ. How? Because he wouldn't be pressuring him to be the starter. He'd be a supportive backup and help carry the load as a team leader because the team already respects the heck out of the man. Leadership is good. Even if it's coming from your second stringer, because he leads the 2nd's and preps them for action when needed. Next man up is prepared, because they play with a leader in practice.


The only thing T-Jack squeezed was losses out of should be wins. There wasn't a single game that year you can reference as T-Jack being the reason for the win and way to many losses that can be directly blamed on him. We ended up having one of the easiest schedules in years and not just because of strength of schedule but because we faced teams at just the right time when thay were forced to play their back up. Our defense was top ten and our running game the second half was best in the league. Comparing T-Jack that year with that team to Matt the previous year is incredibly bias but for what reason I don't know. One guy gets labeled tough because he stood in the pocket way to long and took tons of hits and played through a torn (or was it just strained? He never requird surgery) peck while the other guy played with two broken ribs. One guy couldn't muster a single come from behind win even with a defense that kept the score low and the other guy took us to a super bowl. One guy played here one year and the other guy was the face of our franchise and in the ROH. I really don't get what the desire to hoyst Jackson over Hasselbeck. It makes no sense at all to me.

How many offenses does it take to realize it may not be the coaching? T-Jack has been through three now. One for seven years and couldn't execute the play book. Once in a new system he couldn't even beat out the 2nd sting guy and that was what he was brought in to do. Zero active games, zero. Obviously the guy is the problem and not the coaching.

Why do you think he would be a good influence on Wilson? What evidence is there to support that? Just because players didn't openly complain about him doesn't mean they seen him as a leader. It just means they didn't hate him. Teams devote unrealistic amounts of support for whoever their QB is and this team has yet to have anyone go public about another player. Pete gets those types out of here fast.

If you want evidence of a QB who supported his replacement, take a look at Tennesee. Matt worked with Locker before during and after he became the starter. He was the shining example of exactly what you believe Jackson "might" do. If you want that characteristic in a veteran backup QB then you are making the argument to bring back Matt, not T-Jack.

You often have good insight into the NFL so please explain to me how Jackson is a competant backup but couldn't beat out anyone on the Bills roster. A roster filled with crap QBs. Why was he so easily discarded here in Seattle? Flynn and Wilson both took less than an offseason to beat him out so what evidence is there to support him being a competant backup? So far there is more evidence to support that he is not. Put him in a new system and he fails and if he had to play on a team without a top defense and running game, he would be exposed for what he really is. Incompetant. Why would you think anything else?

That John got even a 7th rounder for him should have made him executive of the year alone.

_________________
The Lion has no interest in the opinion of the sheep.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:15 am 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:47 pm
Posts: 2824
Location: Seattle
TJack has been in 2 offenses. He followed Bevell.

Flynn has been in 2, couldn't beat out either guy, and has reportedly been a grump on the sidelines. And that's your boy. I'm a lot more comfortable with TJack back there as moral support than a butt hurt dude who either can't catch a break or just isn't as good as people think he is. If you think it's entirely coincidental that the conditional trade to Buffalo w/ TJack had to do with him being active on the roster and Buffalo never activating him, that's you, but I think he'd be a fine guy to have sitting behind Russell if we can even squeeze a late round pick out of a guy like Flynn and save even a dollar in cap space.

I definitely agree that Matt would be absolutely stellar behind our run-blocking line that requires a QB to make plays with his feet, there's no amount too small to pay him. Man, Rich, you love those backups from Green Bay, don't ya? :P


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:43 am 
NET Rookie
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:31 am
Posts: 109
Sorry, don't know if he has been mentioned, but do you think the Raiders could be persuaded to let loose of Terrelle Pryor?


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:45 am 
* NET Staff Alumni *
* NET Staff Alumni *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:14 am
Posts: 1413
Location: Blaine, WA
I like the idea of looking to Canada . . . But at also like my idea of making a phone call to Troy Smith. He's been maintaining his skills in the last year out of football.

_________________
<A>
<IMG></A>


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:53 am 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
Throwdown wrote:
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!


Except Wilson can actually throw and is a real QB.


I have heard the phrase "being real gets you hated" But lets be real for a minute.

"Except Wilson can actually throw"
Wilson was great at TD's, the man even tied the rookie record...that is freaking amazing!
But the hawks were 27th in passing yards. Yeah he only got 189 yards a game - and no game over 300 yards during the regular season. Those numbers suck at the NFL level, I mean really sucks! If he did not have those TDs, Flynn would have been in there pretty fast.

Tebow got over 300 yards in only his 3rd game as a rookie, So lets be real and not just mimic what ESPN says. Do the research and speak so you can have creditability.

"and is a real QB"
Again you are mimicking ESPN. What position did he play in High school? College? NFL? QB? Yes. Here is the question you have to ask...When was the last time a guy spent his life as a QB and you or ESPN said "He is not a QB"? It has never happened and it will never happen again. If you disagree just look in the past at QBs that you have said "He is no QB" Not even Michael Vick got that crap. You have got sucked into an agenda, and now you are a poster board for something you know is wrong. Be real not a puppet.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:03 am 
*NET FCC Liaison*
User avatar
Online

Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 8:39 am
Posts: 22665
Location: Kirkland, WA
Those of you dreaming about T-Jack backing us up, it's not going to happen:

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
Bill re-signed QB Tarvaris Jackson, according to @ChrisBrownBills.

_________________
Sam Bradford is a game changer.

*He can change a win into a loss.
*He can change a loss into a win by getting injured.
*RedAlice is right.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:05 am 
* NET Baller *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 17368
Location: Graham, WA
Well there goes our chances at the Super Bowl.

_________________
Image
3elieve


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:35 am 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:14 pm
Posts: 1516
Ryan Nassib in the 4th round. Book it.

_________________
Image
"God Bless Russell Wilson"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:05 am 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 7:26 am
Posts: 2767
Interesting if the Bills resigned Jackson. I wonder what that contract looks like. Is Thigpen still under contract too? Who makes more?

I get the feeling Jackson and Thigpen will battle for the backup spot and the loser gets released. Maybe they thought Tyler had a better grasp of the offense for last season so they stayed with him because you don't give up even a conditional pick for a guy on the last year of his contract and then don't activate him all season. This will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

_________________
The Lion has no interest in the opinion of the sheep.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:15 am 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:00 pm
Posts: 1363
Throwdown wrote:
If Tahj Boyd slips? maybe? Matt Scott? thats just the draft though...

Josh Portis is still out there... :)


Huh?? Boyd is returning to school.

_________________
Image

"We all we got, we all we need"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:25 am 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:46 pm
Posts: 912
Location: in "The" mouth
Spokane wrote:
Throwdown wrote:
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!


Except Wilson can actually throw and is a real QB.


I have heard the phrase "being real gets you hated" But lets be real for a minute.

"Except Wilson can actually throw"
Wilson was great at TD's, the man even tied the rookie record...that is freaking amazing!
But the hawks were 27th in passing yards. Yeah he only got 189 yards a game - and no game over 300 yards during the regular season. Those numbers suck at the NFL level, I mean really sucks! If he did not have those TDs, Flynn would have been in there pretty fast.

Tebow got over 300 yards in only his 3rd game as a rookie, So lets be real and not just mimic what ESPN says. Do the research and speak so you can have creditability.

"and is a real QB"
Again you are mimicking ESPN. What position did he play in High school? College? NFL? QB? Yes. Here is the question you have to ask...When was the last time a guy spent his life as a QB and you or ESPN said "He is not a QB"? It has never happened and it will never happen again. If you disagree just look in the past at QBs that you have said "He is no QB" Not even Michael Vick got that crap. You have got sucked into an agenda, and now you are a poster board for something you know is wrong. Be real not a puppet.



here's an easy qualifier of "can't throw and isn't a real QB"

Tim Tebow in 15 career starts has 12 games at or UNDER 50% completion percentage and a whopping ONE game over 56% with a total career average of 47.9%

Argue away for the reality of those numbers representing a "real" qb :pukeface:

_________________
Wilson after ATL- " before I got back to the tunnel, walking off the field, I got so excited for the next opportunity"

"I have a lot of things built up in me that I'm ready to unleash on the field.....when it's time to explode, I will." - Percy


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:26 am 
* NET Baller *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 17368
Location: Graham, WA
lukerguy wrote:
Throwdown wrote:
If Tahj Boyd slips? maybe? Matt Scott? thats just the draft though...

Josh Portis is still out there... :)


Huh?? Boyd is returning to school.


Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, miss priss! I haven't been paying attention at all this offseason, too wrapped up in this Sonics crap.

_________________
Image
3elieve


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:54 am 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:48 pm
Posts: 3179
Spokane wrote:
The big question is who has the same skill set as Wilson? And at what price? Maybe the draft again.

I've grown to expect the unexpected out of Pete Carroll & John Schneider, so I'm not going to be surprised if they find a QB in the 4th to 6th round of the Draft, that everyone else around the League considers a wasted pick, only to find him an absolutely shoulda been a first round pick :16:


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:03 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:48 pm
Posts: 3179
pinksheets wrote:
TJack has been in 2 offenses. He followed Bevell.

Flynn has been in 2, couldn't beat out either guy, and has reportedly been a grump on the sidelines. And that's your boy. I'm a lot more comfortable with TJack back there as moral support than a butt hurt dude who either can't catch a break or just isn't as good as people think he is. If you think it's entirely coincidental that the conditional trade to Buffalo w/ TJack had to do with him being active on the roster and Buffalo never activating him, that's you, but I think he'd be a fine guy to have sitting behind Russell if we can even squeeze a late round pick out of a guy like Flynn and save even a dollar in cap space.

I definitely agree that Matt would be absolutely stellar behind our run-blocking line that requires a QB to make plays with his feet, there's no amount too small to pay him. Man, Rich, you love those backups from Green Bay, don't ya? :P

You mean like, MATT, HASSELBECK?


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:07 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:55 pm
Posts: 2446
Location: Battle Ground, Wa
We got M-Rob as a #3

_________________
http://personal-spectrum.com/


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:17 pm 
* Report Button *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 9923
I like the Pryor idea, but doubt the Raiders are ready to part ways.

Man, its FUN discussing back-up QB possibilities. Way more fun than the discussing starting QB possibilities.

The PS dude that started Week 17 for the Browns looked intriguing.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:45 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
tooshort wrote:
here's an easy qualifier of "can't throw and isn't a real QB"

Tim Tebow in 15 career starts has 12 games at or UNDER 50% completion percentage and a whopping ONE game over 56% with a total career average of 47.9%

Argue away for the reality of those numbers representing a "real" qb :pukeface:


lets have some fun and go over your "end all" career completion % information that constitutes a "real" QB

Doug Williams 49.5%
Tim Tebow 47.9
George Blanda 47.7%

Were you one of the racist who said Doug was not a real QB, or are you just religiously bias?
George Blanda is in the Hall of Fame, Did anyone question if he was a "real" QB

And if career % mattered at all to determine if you are a "real" QB, I don't think T-jack and Dan Marino would be locked up at 59.4%

The list goes on and on of QBs who had a rough 15 games and then went on to greatness!

If you play a QB, you are a QB, its that simple...don't be someone's tool.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:02 pm 
*SILVER SUPPORTER*
*SILVER SUPPORTER*
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:40 am
Posts: 4367
Location: Southern CA
Spokane wrote:
Info from ESPN.com Tebow completed 75% of his passes in 2012...If the jets were not flat out retarded, they would have played him more.

That 75% makes him one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL last year by about 7%...He is one solution to the problem

That might be because he threw a grand total of 8 passes.

In 2011, as a starter, his completion rate was 46.5%.

http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/profile

_________________
Help bring peace to the South LA / Puget Sound communities. Are you in?
http://www.abetterla.org | http://www.abetterseattle.com


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:08 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:15 am
Posts: 3092
sc85sis wrote:
Spokane wrote:
Info from ESPN.com Tebow completed 75% of his passes in 2012...If the jets were not flat out retarded, they would have played him more.

That 75% makes him one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL last year by about 7%...He is one solution to the problem

That might be because he threw a grand total of 8 passes.

In 2011, as a starter, his completion rate was 46.5%.


To be fair to Tebow, Denver only really allowed him to throw the ball on low-percentage third-and-long plays.

I still don't think he's a legit NFL QB. But I'd like to see him start somewhere (else) just for the entertainment value.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:11 pm 
* NET Staff Alumni *
* NET Staff Alumni *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:00 pm
Posts: 12380
Location: Anchorage, AK
Spokane wrote:
tooshort wrote:
here's an easy qualifier of "can't throw and isn't a real QB"

Tim Tebow in 15 career starts has 12 games at or UNDER 50% completion percentage and a whopping ONE game over 56% with a total career average of 47.9%

Argue away for the reality of those numbers representing a "real" qb :pukeface:


lets have some fun and go over your "end all" career completion % information that constitutes a "real" QB

Doug Williams 49.5%
Tim Tebow 47.9
George Blanda 47.7%

Were you one of the racist who said Doug was not a real QB, or are you just religiously bias?
George Blanda is in the Hall of Fame, Did anyone question if he was a "real" QB

And if career % mattered at all to determine if you are a "real" QB, I don't think T-jack and Dan Marino would be locked up at 59.4%

The list goes on and on of QBs who had a rough 15 games and then went on to greatness!

If you play a QB, you are a QB, its that simple...don't be someone's tool.


Why is it that the completion percentage is such a great indicator when you originally used it, but it's not a great indicator when it's shown to go against what you originally thought and posted?

_________________
Image


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:27 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:50 am
Posts: 1053
Missing_Clink wrote:
Regardless of how we feel about it...I too am sensing a very realistic possibility of a Seahawks - TJack reunion.

Good point.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:30 pm 
* Report Button *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 9923
When Tebow does complete passes, it's in scenarios where he buys time. I.e., anything NOT involving a traditional 5-7 step drop. He'll never be accurate in a "drop and throw to that spot" system. But, that's not what Seattle runs either, really.

He played in Denver kinda similar to Wilson the first 2-3 weeks of the season. Tim was ugly, yet clutch.

I get it, the anti-Tebow thing's the hipster thing to do, because you can buck ESPN and the national coverage machine, but he would NOT be an awful choice. Not at all.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:11 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:46 pm
Posts: 912
Location: in "The" mouth
Spokane wrote:
tooshort wrote:
here's an easy qualifier of "can't throw and isn't a real QB"

Tim Tebow in 15 career starts has 12 games at or UNDER 50% completion percentage and a whopping ONE game over 56% with a total career average of 47.9%

Argue away for the reality of those numbers representing a "real" qb :pukeface:


lets have some fun and go over your "end all" career completion % information that constitutes a "real" QB

Doug Williams 49.5%
Tim Tebow 47.9
George Blanda 47.7%

Were you one of the racist who said Doug was not a real QB, or are you just religiously bias?
George Blanda is in the Hall of Fame, Did anyone question if he was a "real" QB

And if career % mattered at all to determine if you are a "real" QB, I don't think T-jack and Dan Marino would be locked up at 59.4%

The list goes on and on of QBs who had a rough 15 games and then went on to greatness!

If you play a QB, you are a QB, its that simple...don't be someone's tool.


So we're arguing over the definition or implication of the word real? :177692:
everyone that plays QB is a QB, some just suck at what they do.

Religious bias? Racism? whaaaaaa??? Troll much?

_________________
Wilson after ATL- " before I got back to the tunnel, walking off the field, I got so excited for the next opportunity"

"I have a lot of things built up in me that I'm ready to unleash on the field.....when it's time to explode, I will." - Percy


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:23 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
kidhawk wrote:
Why is it that the completion percentage is such a great indicator when you originally used it, but it's not a great indicator when it's shown to go against what you originally thought and posted?


The NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and last year Tim made 75% of his passes.

So with that I was trying to say, "Hey wait a minute, you may think he is inaccurate, but just last year he proved us all wrong when given the chance".

Then one fine member got crafty and pulled out all the stops to find a negative within Tim's game with a career stat (to show Tebow is not a real QB) . However I noted that there were other QBs with worse career stats however they are considered very good.

I think we all have missed on the answer to finding Wilson Jr! And the winner is...Denard "Shoelace" Robinson from Michigan. He is the fastest QB in the nation. He runs a 4.3 40


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:42 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
tooshort wrote:
So we're arguing over the definition or implication of the word real? :177692:
everyone that plays QB is a QB, some just suck at what they do.

Religious bias? Racism? whaaaaaa??? Troll much?


Before you call names remember you said Tim was not a QB, but then you switched to the idea that "He sucks" That is a huge difference.
Now you are trying to act like you were using a QB tier system like WR vs. a #1 WR.
If you say something, stick to your guns or admit you were wrong (it happens to all of us) Don't try to find loopholes to cover up your beliefs.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:47 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
I'd trade Flynn to Buffalo for TJ! straight up. Then they'd have both the QB's that look exactly like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:50 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:47 pm
Posts: 2824
Location: Seattle
Zebulon Dak wrote:
I'd trade Flynn to Buffalo for TJ! straight up. Then they'd have both the QB's that look exactly like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

LOL you're right. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a dead ringer for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Matt Flynn looks more like Ryan Fitzpatrick, though.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:52 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
pinksheets wrote:
Zebulon Dak wrote:
I'd trade Flynn to Buffalo for TJ! straight up. Then they'd have both the QB's that look exactly like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

LOL you're right. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a dead ringer for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Matt Flynn looks more like Ryan Fitzpatrick, though.


Nobody looks more like Ryan Fitzpatrick than Ryan Fitzpatrick but Matt Flynn is a close 2nd. Except at football. Fitz > Flynn.

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:00 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
lets check the tape...pretty freaking close!


Attachments:
fitz.jpg
fitz.jpg [ 3.99 KiB | Viewed 391 times ]
flynn.jpg
flynn.jpg [ 6.66 KiB | Viewed 391 times ]
Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:05 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
Not bad. Not bad at all.

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:07 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:47 pm
Posts: 2824
Location: Seattle
Zeb, you're looking at those pictures and you're going to tell me that Flynn isn't at least 20% more Fitz than Fitz?


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
I'll give you 20.

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:17 pm 
* Report Button *
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 9923
Colt McCoy is growing a beard, and I'd hope he'd join his crew in Buffalo. 3 small white guys, w/weak arms, championship.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:31 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
Now we got us a thread goin'!!

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:43 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:48 pm
Posts: 3179
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!

If Tim Tebow had the same "skillset" as Wilson, the Jets would be dumber than a box of shit to let him leave, so I ain't buyin' what you're try'n to peddle :roll:


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:48 pm 
* The Producer *
* The Producer *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:57 pm
Posts: 13441
Location: King In The North
scutterhawk wrote:
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!

If Tim Tebow had the same "skillset" as Wilson, the Jets would be dumber than a box of shit to let him leave, so I ain't buyin' what you're try'n to peddle :roll:


Similar skill set, I'd say. Physically at least. Not the same skill level though.

_________________
Image Image Tanzania¹² Image "ALERT THE LEGION!!!"


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:50 pm 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:14 am
Posts: 2232
Throwdown wrote:
If Tahj Boyd slips? maybe? Matt Scott? thats just the draft though...

Josh Portis is still out there... :)

Boyd isn't in this years draft.

_________________
The artist formerly known as T-Sizzle


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:33 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
scutterhawk wrote:
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!

If Tim Tebow had the same "skillset" as Wilson, the Jets would be dumber than a box of shit to let him leave, so I ain't buyin' what you're try'n to peddle :roll:


PC and JS fully understand there is no other Wilson in the NFL. Not even close, not Brees, not Manning, not Brady. Wilson is all of those dudes with wheels enough to out run every D-line man, if he can see him. What I loved was that he got better and better as the year went on. There is a reason why there were rumors of him asking for a pay raise, no player deserved it more. We will never get a true Wilson Jr.


So I was wrong on saying they have the same skill set, I should have wrote Tim has the closest skill set. Tim is a good runner, improviser, has the ability to come back late in the game, finisher, and Yes 6 for 8 does not normally mean crap but it is his 2012 body of work that they allowed him. Why did they spend all that money for 8 passes? Kind of a dumb idea. J-E-T-no.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:09 am 
*Scott of Smacksville*
*Scott of Smacksville*
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:14 am
Posts: 10044
Spokane wrote:
scutterhawk wrote:
Spokane wrote:
BINGO, Tebow would be the answer! But at what price? Tim's skill set is the same as Wilson!

If Tim Tebow had the same "skillset" as Wilson, the Jets would be dumber than a box of shit to let him leave, so I ain't buyin' what you're try'n to peddle :roll:


PC and JS fully understand there is no other Wilson in the NFL. Not even close, not Brees, not Manning, not Brady. Wilson is all of those dudes with wheels enough to out run every D-line man, if he can see him. What I loved was that he got better and better as the year went on. There is a reason why there were rumors of him asking for a pay raise, no player deserved it more. We will never get a true Wilson Jr.


So I was wrong on saying they have the same skill set, I should have wrote Tim has the closest skill set. Tim is a good runner, improviser, has the ability to come back late in the game, finisher, and Yes 6 for 8 does not normally mean crap but it is his 2012 body of work that they allowed him. Why did they spend all that money for 8 passes? Kind of a dumb idea. J-E-T-no.


You were blowing up his 6 for 8? shame on you, you shameless stat slinger. How about we just make Golden Tate the backup, he was 1 for 1 on the season.
Was it the 1 for 1 passing against us that got you all excited? Or the 8 yards?

There is only one guaranteed benefit of trading for Tebow-Jersey sales to idiots who buy jerseys for backup quarterbacks. There are millions of dollars to be mined in that idiot market. Maybe some of you can put a Tebow 15 next to your Flynn. Everything else is conjecture. Wilson extends plays to find a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th target. Tebow scrambles because after he dropped back from center and did a play action fake, he doesn't know where his first target is. Tebow does not have a similar skill set to Wilson. Saying he does just because you have seen both run a successful play option is lazy analysis. By that definition, Colt McCoy has a similar skillset, as does Jake Locker. Except they don't. Russell has a smooth throwing motion, and Tebow still looks like he is unfolding a lawnchair behind his back. Russell slides to play another down, Tebow is a meathead who goes head first.

_________________
SEAHAWKS.NET. We All We Got, We All We Need


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:48 am 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 am
Posts: 700
Scottemojo wrote:

You were blowing up his 6 for 8? shame on you, you shameless stat slinger. How about we just make Golden Tate the backup, he was 1 for 1 on the season.
Was it the 1 for 1 passing against us that got you all excited? Or the 8 yards?

There is only one guaranteed benefit of trading for Tebow-Jersey sales to idiots who buy jerseys for backup quarterbacks. There are millions of dollars to be mined in that idiot market. Maybe some of you can put a Tebow 15 next to your Flynn. Everything else is conjecture. Wilson extends plays to find a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th target. Tebow scrambles because after he dropped back from center and did a play action fake, he doesn't know where his first target is. Tebow does not have a similar skill set to Wilson. Saying he does just because you have seen both run a successful play option is lazy analysis. By that definition, Colt McCoy has a similar skillset, as does Jake Locker. Except they don't. Russell has a smooth throwing motion, and Tebow still looks like he is unfolding a lawnchair behind his back. Russell slides to play another down, Tebow is a meathead who goes head first.


First off and most importantly thank you for my new signature, I did not think any phrase would be as cool as "that is all" But for my money shameless stat slinger is pretty close.

Yes I am handing out a lazy analysis for some back up on the other side of the country, I have no clue who our own 3rd string guy is at the moment

Left handed dudes always seem to be herky jerky whenever they move, so you have to expect a little lawn chair throwing motion with him. That guy gets a ton of crap for his play, so he has to go head first just to get every yard. If he didn't, some stat slinger would not be able to defend his 3.2 yards per carry. Hey give him the ball all 4 downs and he can rush it in for a TD with those numbers. Long story short, Tim fits the mold PC is looking for and should come cheap if we choose to trade for him.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:18 pm 
NET Veteran
Offline

Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 am
Posts: 568
Well I suppose we do need to counter the Ninner's 'Kaepernicking' with our own 'Tebowing' right? :sarcasm_off:


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:26 pm 
* NET Baller *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 17368
Location: Graham, WA
Russ Willstrong wrote:
Well I suppose we do need to counter the Ninner's 'Kaepernicking' with our own 'Tebowing' right? :sarcasm_off:


Man we're Russellin'

Which is 1000000000000000000000000x better than both those scrubs.

_________________
Image
3elieve


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:32 am 
NET Veteran
User avatar
Online

Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:50 am
Posts: 1053
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2013/02/07/nick-florence-baylor-bears-nfl-draft-robert-griffin-rg3-rgiii/1900755/

Florence from Baylor seems to have some similar attributes to Wilson. Could we sign this guy after the draft as a project?


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fresh Seahawk QB news
 Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:40 am 
* NET Baller *
User avatar
Online

Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 17368
Location: Graham, WA
brimsalabim wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2013/02/07/nick-florence-baylor-bears-nfl-draft-robert-griffin-rg3-rgiii/1900755/

Florence from Baylor seems to have some similar attributes to Wilson. Could we sign this guy after the draft as a project?


I think he pulled out of the draft to pursue an even higher education

_________________
Image
3elieve


Top 
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 156 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Board index » SEAHAWKS.NET - THE VOICE OF THE 12TH MAN » [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]



 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Seahawks.NET is an independent fan site and not associated with the Seattle Seahawks or the NFL (National Football League).
All content within this Seahawks fan page is provided by, and for, Seattle Seahawks fans. Copyright © Seahawks.NET.