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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:14 pm
  • In theory, and assuming the VERY best case scenario, it would be great for the Hawks to trade for Percy Harvin and add him to our offensive arsenal.

    In reality, the very best case scenario rarely happens, especially for high-priced FA WRs hat switch teams... they just don't produce to the same level on their new teams as they did on their old teams.

    My vote is "Pass".

    Let's not ruin a good thing (Rice, Tate and Baldwin) for a potential great thing that never comes to pass.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:31 pm
  • Vikings will not make Ponder compete for job
    Vikings coach Leslie Frazier told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Christian Ponder will not face competition for his starting job in 2013 camp.
    Mortensen recently spoke to Frazier, who said Ponder is locked in for 2013. "Leslie Frazier said, 'Go look at his games in December,'" Mort relayed. "There were a couple of games in December where they saw the Christian Ponder they drafted. ... They really believe Ponder will continue to get better. He is the starter going into the season. They expect nothing to change that. No competition." The Vikings will try to upgrade on backup Joe Webb, but it now seems doubtful that they'd seriously pursue Matt Moore, who is free agency's top quarterback.



    There goes the whole Flynn+ for Harvin thought..
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:33 pm
  • The Vikings organization is a debacle, has been for a while. Coddling Ponder is a terrible mistake.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:49 pm
  • Harvin wants too much money.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:06 pm
  • I've come around on this. Was concerned about the cap implications and the ability to sign current core of young players, but I am not going to sweat it. If signing him impacts retaining one of the young guys, the FO didn't plan properly and that would be their fatal flaw. Miller and Rice, with the contracts they have currently look to be cuts or contract modifications in the next few years whether Harvin signed here or not. Same with Red and/or Mebane. However, the talent Harvin has cannot be denied.

    I wouldn't want to see a Branch-like deal and it sounds like the Vikings may only get a 2nd or 3rd, if you trust LaConfora's latest post.

    Personally don't like players who have sideline tantrums but not going to get bent about it. Signing him does put Leon at risk, but he is at risk anyway. I could see a Baldwin or Tate moving on. Baldwin is like a Steve Breaston-type from the Fitz/Boldin/Breaston days. He has some good intangibles but more talent at the position can only make the offense that much more lethal.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:17 pm
  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Harvin wants too much money.


    This.

    Rumor has it he's asking for something similar to what Megatron has. Happy hunting, Percy.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:15 pm
  • It would be great if we could afford him, but bottom line is we can't.

    Too bad they're so sold on their shitty quarterback... Flynn's about as good a trade piece we could ask for.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:19 pm
  • hawker232 wrote:It would be great if we could afford him, but bottom line is we can't.

    Based on what? Our cap situation is fine and none of our core players have contracts that expire in the next few years.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:37 pm
  • the idiot wants Megatron money. He's delusional if he thinks he's worth that. Hell no. no no no. pass
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:47 pm
  • The Seahawks are missing a "X" receiver. A split-end type of receiver. Harvin is not that. Harvin is a slot type just like Tate and Baldwin are. So is Tavon Austin in draft (so I don't see them going after him at all). There are too many slot type of receivers on the team already. If they get Harvin then Tate or Baldwin (maybe both) would need to go. They become expendable. So trading for Harvin makes little sense. He's great but not at the price and they already have Tate and Baldwin. While not as great as Harvin, they are still good and progressing plus considerably cheaper.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:48 pm
  • He may "want" Megatron money, but he isn't going to get it...not even close.

    Dude needs to look at his injury history and adjust his reality. He doesn't miss a lot of games on the whole, but he is always coming up gimpy.

    Obviously we would all love to have him, but in reality I think we need a bigger/faster coverage buster more so than a Harvin type. He is similar to Tate (not saying Tate is the same as Harvin, so all you vultures calm down).
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:53 pm
  • YES he wants Magatron money, do you expect him to say, ".Net thinks I am like Baldwin, so give me Baldwin type cash"

    Start high and meet in the middle, any other move would make him look stupid.

    We have no clue what the market will pony up for a superstar WR who has issues in 2013, but it will be fun to watch.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:00 pm
  • You can't possibly get megatron money as you're being traded. Doesn't make sense.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:25 pm
  • I understand he won't get megatron money, but how will that affect him? He feels he deserves that type of money. There's already rumors he may hold out and he's been having locker room issues in Minne. Sure we can trade for him and it won't cost much now but, I think it will only be a rental. Why trade for that and lose a high pick in the meantime? I don't think one guy is going to put this team over the top, and if so, it won't be Harvin.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:39 pm
  • We have been hard on this receiving group, my perspective is we finally have a QB, we are just beginning to see a relationship begin to develop with them. Baldwin and Tate are just beginning to learn the Pro game and producing, they will get better still once they can learn to play Wilson ball and where to be on his roll outs and coming back. Rice is playing healthy for the first time in a few years and will only keep showing us his capabilities as that relationship gets better. As this group Gells and can react instinctively we will see a very solid group that will make coverage of them a nightmare with Miller underneath and running seams.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:38 am
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:I'm wary of paying BIG money for a backup QB whose only job is to call a coin toss but some folks seem okay with that too.

    Harvin's proven to get nearly 700 yards receiving in half-season while also rushing from scrimmage and having returning duties.
    Harvin has proven to be a quality #1 receiver in Minny for the last several years even with incompetent QB play. He HAS EARNED IT.
    If 1000 yards receiving happens then that's great given RW's propensity to spread the ball. We need scores and over-the-top talent if we wanna do this right.


    So that's what we're reduced to, targetting big money FAs that have proven they're "good" over half a season?

    "Nearly" 700 yards in 9 games when he's the only receiver on the team better than awful is not particularly impressive - he made 62 catchs compared to Sidney Rice's 50 and ended up with less yards. Hardly an indication of a terrific "YAC guy"
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:23 am
  • themunn wrote:
    Russ Willstrong wrote:"Nearly" 700 yards in 9 games when he's the only receiver on the team better than awful is not particularly impressive - he made 62 catchs compared to Sidney Rice's 50 and ended up with less yards. Hardly an indication of a terrific "YAC guy"


    ^^^ wrong ^^^

    Now if you want to say he's too expensive, that would be understandable.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:11 am
  • Harvin is one of the best recievers in the League period... is he worth Megatron money? maybe not, but he's up there.. injuries is my only concern with this guy.. as far as ability , not too many guys in this league are in his class.... not sure he would be a good fit here, but he would be a upgrade to any recieving core.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:14 am
  • I wonder if some of you will admit Tate cand hold a candle to Harvin when he's tearing up the NFL as a 9er. :49ersmall:
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:21 am
  • I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)

    1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?

    2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.

    3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.

    4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?

    5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.

    Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:26 am
  • I can always get down with rational arguments from 'the other side' and NYCoug just laid it down. Well done. Can't argue with that logic, if that's your viewpoint/philosophy. There are always 'ifs' to both sides of any argument.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:03 am
  • I know that Harvin is extremely gifted but if we do sign a FA, I want it to be DL for pass rush and then draft a WR/LB/OL.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:38 am
  • NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)

    1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?

    2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.

    3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.

    4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?

    5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.

    Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.


    While I'm on the pro-Harvin side, I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

    1) It is what it is...and you're right. You don't want any character issues. One redeeming quality of Percy is that he is a 'fierce competitor'. I've heard from multiple sources that this is the root of most of his 'rap sheet'. He doesn't have a blatant disregard for authority.

    2) Asking for money doesn't make you a "whiny little bitch". 80% of the stars in this league make a stance like this at one point in their career. Is Clem a "whiny little bitch"? He held out...Percy has never held out.

    3) I'll skip this one because it's not exactly an argument.

    4) I will never be concerned with Chemistry as long as PC is our head coach. He has an uncanny ability to bring people together for a common purpose of competing. Percy hasn't messed with any chemistry in Minnesota. Ask all of the players what they want, they want him to stay and they have been vocal about it.

    5) You aren't going to find a person of Harvin's God-Given abilities in the 3rd round. I would venture to say that you could grab Austin in the 1st round and he may compare long term, but even Randall Cobb is not Percy Harvin. Harvin is one of a kind..he really is that gifted.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:46 am
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    NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)

    1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?

    2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.

    3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.

    4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?

    5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.

    Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.


    While I'm on the pro-Harvin side, I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

    1) It is what it is...and you're right. You don't want any character issues. One redeeming quality of Percy is that he is a 'fierce competitor'. I've heard from multiple sources that this is the root of most of his 'rap sheet'. He doesn't have a blatant disregard for authority.

    2) Asking for money doesn't make you a "whiny little bitch". 80% of the stars in this league make a stance like this at one point in their career. Is Clem a "whiny little bitch"? He held out...Percy has never held out.

    3) I'll skip this one because it's not exactly an argument.

    4) I will never be concerned with Chemistry as long as PC is our head coach. He has an uncanny ability to bring people together for a common purpose of competing. Percy hasn't messed with any chemistry in Minnesota. Ask all of the players what they want, they want him to stay and they have been vocal about it.

    5) You aren't going to find a person of Harvin's God-Given abilities in the 3rd round. I would venture to say that you could grab Austin in the 1st round and he may compare long term, but even Randall Cobb is not Percy Harvin. Harvin is one of a kind..he really is that gifted.


    I don't think he's a whiny little bitch for asking for money. I think he's a whiny little bitch for the tantrum he threw on the sidelines this year vs. the Hawks and for walking out on his team at the end of the season even though they were in the playoff hunt, and eventually made it in without him.

    Also, normally you'd say that can't find someone of Russell Wilson's abilities in the 3rd round, but it happens. Richard Sherman in the 5th round? He's arguably the best player at his position and he was had in the 5th round. Harvin's not the best player at his position so I'm willing to venture that they could do the same work and find the next Harvin. It's possible to find amazing natural talent later in the draft, there are so many examples.

    Let me throw an example at you. I work at a bar, obviously extremely different from being an NFL receiver. If I were to try and choke out my boss because I disagreed with them, I'd be fired and would have a hard time finding another job. I wouldn't get labeled a "fiery worker" like it's some sort of good thing. Sprewell didn't get labeled a fiery competitor. I don't get how people can try and explain that away. How is that NOT blatant disregard for authority? Normally, I'd say who really cares about "authority" but there's human decency and something like that lacks in human decency.
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:09 am
  • NYCoug wrote:
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    NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)

    1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?

    2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.

    3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.

    4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?

    5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.

    Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.


    While I'm on the pro-Harvin side, I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

    1) It is what it is...and you're right. You don't want any character issues. One redeeming quality of Percy is that he is a 'fierce competitor'. I've heard from multiple sources that this is the root of most of his 'rap sheet'. He doesn't have a blatant disregard for authority.

    2) Asking for money doesn't make you a "whiny little bitch". 80% of the stars in this league make a stance like this at one point in their career. Is Clem a "whiny little bitch"? He held out...Percy has never held out.

    3) I'll skip this one because it's not exactly an argument.

    4) I will never be concerned with Chemistry as long as PC is our head coach. He has an uncanny ability to bring people together for a common purpose of competing. Percy hasn't messed with any chemistry in Minnesota. Ask all of the players what they want, they want him to stay and they have been vocal about it.

    5) You aren't going to find a person of Harvin's God-Given abilities in the 3rd round. I would venture to say that you could grab Austin in the 1st round and he may compare long term, but even Randall Cobb is not Percy Harvin. Harvin is one of a kind..he really is that gifted.


    I don't think he's a whiny little bitch for asking for money. I think he's a whiny little bitch for the tantrum he threw on the sidelines this year vs. the Hawks and for walking out on his team at the end of the season even though they were in the playoff hunt, and eventually made it in without him.

    Also, normally you'd say that can't find someone of Russell Wilson's abilities in the 3rd round, but it happens. Richard Sherman in the 5th round? He's arguably the best player at his position and he was had in the 5th round. Harvin's not the best player at his position so I'm willing to venture that they could do the same work and find the next Harvin. It's possible to find amazing natural talent later in the draft, there are so many examples.

    Let me throw an example at you. I work at a bar, obviously extremely different from being an NFL receiver. If I were to try and choke out my boss because I disagreed with them, I'd be fired and would have a hard time finding another job. I wouldn't get labeled a "fiery worker" like it's some sort of good thing. Sprewell didn't get labeled a fiery competitor. I don't get how people can try and explain that away. How is that NOT blatant disregard for authority? Normally, I'd say who really cares about "authority" but there's human decency and something like that lacks in human decency.



    There are ways around that though. You act like Carroll doesn't have any balls to discipline players. I would venture to say that this would never come up, but if it did you can bet Carroll would not hesitate to suspend or discipline Harvin. There's no way Carroll would lose his players by being too soft.

    The incident with Harvin and WR's coach at UF was never confirmed but only reported. Meyer said the report was overblown but it was an incident. If it did indeed happen, then shame on Meyer for setting a terrible precedent in the young player's career. Any respectable coach would have suspended a player multiple games if that was the case.
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  • Well, word on the street is that that's the kind of program Urban Meyer runs but we'll never know so let's not speculate.

    And Pete has balls alright, big balls, I don't doubt that he'd discipline a player in a heartbeat. He's cold blooded. Having said that, why invite that kind of distraction in the first place? Look at the elite passing games around the leauge, most don't have that true #1 superstar receiver. I don't think we really need one either, especially one with Percy's track record.
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  • The problem with the pro "let's go after Harvin" camp on this forum is they can't assure us that signing Harvin won't impede on signing more important players in a year or two or more important D-Line free agents this off season.

    So if signing Harvin means we won't be able to keep the Legion of Boom together in 2014 or 2015, then my answer is no. If Pete and John can make it work with dumping Flynn and Washington's salary and maybe trading Tate because he now becomes expendable with Harvin in the slot?...................AND we don't have to give up too many draft picks? Then yes, I'm down with this.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:The problem with the pro "let's go after Harvin" camp on this forum is they can't assure us that signing Harvin won't impede on signing more important players in a year or two or more important D-Line free agents this off season.

    So if signing Harvin means we won't be able to keep the Legion of Boom together in 2014 or 2015, then my answer is no. If Pete and John can make it work with dumping Flynn and Washington's salary and maybe trading Tate because he now becomes expendable with Harvin in the slot?...................AND we don't have to give up too many draft picks? Then yes, I'm down with this.


    Perhaps, but look at our top contracts...Rice and Miller. It may simply mean Harvin vs. Miller or Harvin vs. Rice rather than Harvin vs. Chancellor, Thomas, Sherm...ect
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:The problem with the pro "let's go after Harvin" camp on this forum is they can't assure us that signing Harvin won't impede on signing more important players in a year or two or more important D-Line free agents this off season.

    So if signing Harvin means we won't be able to keep the Legion of Boom together in 2014 or 2015, then my answer is no. If Pete and John can make it work with dumping Flynn and Washington's salary and maybe trading Tate because he now becomes expendable with Harvin in the slot?...................AND we don't have to give up too many draft picks? Then yes, I'm down with this.


    Perhaps, but look at our top contracts...Rice and Miller. It may simply mean Harvin vs. Miller or Harvin vs. Rice rather than Harvin vs. Chancellor, Thomas, Sherm...ect


    Maybe, but then you're adding by subtraction. Sure you'd be strengthening the slot receiver/return game........but now you're greatly weakening the other WR slot, or TE slot. Neither of which we can afford to get weaker at.

    Harvin's a great talent, I just don't think he fits with what Pete and John are trying to do............which is rely heavily on developing their own guys through the draft that fit a particular skill set for a particular position. Add in the fact that we'd have almost 20 million tied up in two WR's with Rice's contract, and that's WAY too much for a team that runs the ball 50-60% of the time.
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Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:09 pm
  • Hawknballs wrote:I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.

    I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.

    There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.

    If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?


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  • Hawknballs wrote:I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.

    I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.

    There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.

    If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?


    We'd only have to face that matchup one game a year even if we played them three times because Harvin spends half his time on the DL.
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Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:22 pm
  • CPHawk wrote:I wonder if some of you will admit Tate cand hold a candle to Harvin when he's tearing up the NFL as a 9er. :49ersmall:


    It is perceived that the Niners are the likely landing spot for Harvin as we have the extra picks that will be needed to acquire him from the Vikings. And also that we will be freeing up cap space by making roster adjustments.
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Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:28 pm
  • I'm starting to like Tate too much for him to become an expendable piece in our offense. Harvin may be a better athlete, but Tate is more fun to watch IMO.

    If Harvin lands with the Niners, I think the Hawks D will be up for the challenge. After all, we finished him up for the season last time we played him. And maybe he'll throw Harbaugh to the ground once in a while.
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Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:48 pm
  • NinerLifer wrote:We will have probably 14 picks in this years draft, with I believe 3 3rd rounders if I am not mistaken.

    http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/0 ... aft-picks/

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/san-franci ... --nfl.html

    Don't think too many teams would want to see Harvin in a Niner uniform next year.


    People don't want to play against Harvin, period. Same with any good player. That's hardly a reason to go after a player solely so your competition can't. On the other hand i think most coaches/players/GM's like to think that they're good enough to stop any player.

    Bidding war and driving up the price though, absolutely.
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  • Basis4day wrote:Bidding war and driving up the price though, absolutely.


    This is key if Harvin does eventually go to the Niners. If he goes to them, I want them to pay dearly with lots of draft picks and a huge bloated salary.
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  • Drive up the price just so Harvin can go destroy the 49ers locker room.
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  • Jake Hawks wrote:Drive up the price just so Harvin can go destroy the 49ers locker room.


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    Russ Willstrong wrote:"Nearly" 700 yards in 9 games when he's the only receiver on the team better than awful is not particularly impressive - he made 62 catchs compared to Sidney Rice's 50 and ended up with less yards. Hardly an indication of a terrific "YAC guy"


    ^^^ wrong ^^^

    Now if you want to say he's too expensive, that would be understandable.


    So 551 of his 688 yards came after that catch, that means that he was catching the ball on average 2 yards past the line of scrimmage - or (more accurately), catching a high proportion of screens and dumpoffs which are DESIGNED for generating yards after the catch, also why the leader is a running back
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Re: Percy Harvin's Availaibility
Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:33 pm
  • Ever heard of Ponder? Harvin isn't playing with Brady or Manning you know. Also their offense is like ours--RUN FIRST. Ponder dinks and dunks even more than Flynn otherwise Harvin would be even closer to 1000 yards after 8 games.
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  • It's too bad Minny won't take Flynn. He dinks and dunks better than any available QB in the NFL.
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  • Not too worried even if he went to the 49ers, after all they had 5 number 1's last year and we beat them pretty convincingly here, I also think with our defense he would be seeing the return route of the Amtrak that hit Davis, that tends to make guys have short arms if he make it thru the game. I figure Seahawk game days he will be like a frigid women and have a headache.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Not too worried even if he went to the 49ers, after all they had 5 number 1's last year and we beat them pretty convincingly here, I also think with our defense he would be seeing the return route of the Amtrak that hit Davis, that tends to make guys have short arms if he make it thru the game. I figure Seahawk game days he will be like a frigid women and have a headache.


    That's the key word (see bold). You guys went 8-0 at home...which means you guys won how many away games? You guys need to learn to win on the road before claiming you guys aren't too worried about anything. Or do you guys actually believe you will HONESTLY never lose at home again? Just like you guys claim on here that Kaepernick will get figured out by defenders next season now that there is tape on him, what do you think opposing defenses are going to do next season to RW now that he isn't a rookie? You guys were the SURPRISE team this year, common sense dictates that next year will be much harder for you guys.
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  • Yet we whipped the Niners around 42-13, you should be more worried about your own team.
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Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:28 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:Not too worried even if he went to the 49ers, after all they had 5 number 1's last year and we beat them pretty convincingly here, I also think with our defense he would be seeing the return route of the Amtrak that hit Davis, that tends to make guys have short arms if he make it thru the game. I figure Seahawk game days he will be like a frigid women and have a headache.


    That's the key word (see bold). You guys went 8-0 at home...which means you guys won how many away games? You guys need to learn to win on the road before claiming you guys aren't too worried about anything. Or do you guys actually believe you will HONESTLY never lose at home again? Just like you guys claim on here that Kaepernick will get figured out by defenders next season now that there is tape on him, what do you think opposing defenses are going to do next season to RW now that he isn't a rookie? You guys were the SURPRISE team this year, common sense dictates that next year will be much harder for you guys.


    Keep the topic on Harvin, please. Thanks.


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    chris98251 wrote:Not too worried even if he went to the 49ers, after all they had 5 number 1's last year and we beat them pretty convincingly here, I also think with our defense he would be seeing the return route of the Amtrak that hit Davis, that tends to make guys have short arms if he make it thru the game. I figure Seahawk game days he will be like a frigid women and have a headache.


    That's the key word (see bold). You guys went 8-0 at home...which means you guys won how many away games? You guys need to learn to win on the road before claiming you guys aren't too worried about anything. Or do you guys actually believe you will HONESTLY never lose at home again? Just like you guys claim on here that Kaepernick will get figured out by defenders next season now that there is tape on him, what do you think opposing defenses are going to do next season to RW now that he isn't a rookie? You guys were the SURPRISE team this year, common sense dictates that next year will be much harder for you guys.


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  • Hawken-Dazs wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Not too worried even if he went to the 49ers, after all they had 5 number 1's last year and we beat them pretty convincingly here, I also think with our defense he would be seeing the return route of the Amtrak that hit Davis, that tends to make guys have short arms if he make it thru the game. I figure Seahawk game days he will be like a frigid women and have a headache.


    That's the key word (see bold). You guys went 8-0 at home...which means you guys won how many away games? You guys need to learn to win on the road before claiming you guys aren't too worried about anything. Or do you guys actually believe you will HONESTLY never lose at home again? Just like you guys claim on here that Kaepernick will get figured out by defenders next season now that there is tape on him, what do you think opposing defenses are going to do next season to RW now that he isn't a rookie? You guys were the SURPRISE team this year, common sense dictates that next year will be much harder for you guys.


    Keep the topic on Harvin, please. Thanks.


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    But yet week 16 of LAST season has nothing to do with Harvin either.

    If that single game is the driver for why some of you aren't worried about Harvin maybe becoming a Niner this year, then WOW.

    And not too many of us Niner fans care about the "42-13" game anymore anyways. We kinda played a few more games after that. ;) Constantly posting "42-13" makes as much sense as a Niner fan posting "Atlanta" on here. Doesn't really matter anymore.
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    Keep the topic on Harvin, please. Thanks.


    42-13


    But yet week 16 of LAST season has nothing to do with Harvin either.

    If that single game is the driver for why some of you aren't worried about Harvin maybe becoming a Niner this year, then WOW.

    And not too many of us Niner fans care about the "42-13" game anymore anyways. We kinda played a few more games after that. ;) Constantly posting "42-13" makes as much sense as a Niner fan posting "Atlanta" on here. Doesn't really matter anymore.[/quote]

    What really doesn't make sense is you acting like you gave us a pounding in SF. You won by what? One score? What was the shape of our offense then? What was the situation with dropped balls? We were 1 play away from beating you at your place early in the season.... you could have played us for a week straight and still not caught up when we played you late in the year.

    You know as well as we all do that you guys had to wear a diaper when we played Atlanta, and you KNOW you all cheered like maniacs when they kicked that field goal. You fear us. So you're here. We don't hang out on your board. Know why? Because we have no fear of your team. We ARE talking about our team. You just played in the Super Bowl and you're here on a Seahawks board talking about the Seahawks. That to me shows me where your fan's heads are, and usually the fans are a reflection of the organization. The 49ers know the window just closed a bit more. Disagree if you want, but the only way I'll believe you is if you leave and don't respond. ;)
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