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 Post subject: Re: Travesty alert: Schneider DOESNT win exec of year
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Well the GM did come in and completely overhauled that roster. I think it was 26 of the 53 man roster were all new players he brought in, so it's not much of a robbery. They hit on some guys besides Luck, of course...that shouldn't even count. But TY Hilton, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, Brazill, Sowell, Ballard all contributed. And then of course, bringing in Pagano.

I think a couple years down the road and you look back at each respective bodies of work, Schneider will clearly be the winner, though...probably even the Exec of the Decade if such a thing existed.


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Yeah this is odd. I've heard some decent arguments for Elway and the guy in Miami, but Indy? It's probably because they started 20 something rookies. But I still don't see how they did better than Seattle.


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 Post subject: Re: John Schneider not named top executive of the year
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Lets be honest here. We want John to win as much for the last three years as the last one year. But the Colts did win 11 games with a rookie and while switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Not bad at all. Neither Schneider or Grigson is a bad choice.

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What you guys are saying:
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Both Schneider and Grigson did really good jobs, but he still put enough talent on a 2-14 team to take them to the playoffs. The Seahawks had a lot more talent this year so Schneider didn't do as much this year, Grigson should have won with Schneider as a close second


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Lets be honest here. We want John to win as much for the last three years as the last one year. But the Colts did win 11 games with a rookie and while switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Not bad at all. Neither Schneider or Grigson is a bad choice.


I know, right? The only way Schneider should have been in contention at all is if he also went 11-5 with a rookie quarterback. And if Schneider had somehow lucked out in the draft with top OROY and DROY candidates, he just might have pulled it off. Might have taken at least one more playoff win than teams like Indy and Denver, though.

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Lets be honest here. We want John to win as much for the last three years as the last one year. But the Colts did win 11 games with a rookie and while switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Not bad at all. Neither Schneider or Grigson is a bad choice.


I know, right? The only way Schneider should have been in contention at all is if he also went 11-5 with a rookie quarterback. And if Schneider had somehow lucked out in the draft with top OROY and DROY candidates, he just might have pulled it off. Might have taken at least one more playoff win than teams like Indy and Denver, though.

That award is voted on before the playoffs. And like I said, the Colts did switch defense schemes this year. Our D was in pretty good shape to begin the year.

I would love it if Schneider won, but he didn't. However, Schneider is getting a Bill Belichick reputation for personnel inside the league. I heard Amani Toomer say that all new GMs would be smart to just figure out who John Schneider likes instead of scouting players. Where our GM used to lose picks moving around in the draft targeting boy scouts, this guy accumulates picks.

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Eh, this doesn't bother me to much. Most of this team was built in 2010-11. Wilson and Wagner were great picks and really put us over the top, but the Colts were completely overhauled, much like Schneider did here in 2010. Luck was clearly the main reason for the Colts turnaround (that and their cakewalk schedule,) but still, going from 2-14 to 11-5 while completely overhauling the roster is impressive.

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Definitely agree that Schneider was more deserving, but people need to quit pretending that all Grigson did was draft Luck. Grigson was deserving, definitely.

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Wasn't their schedule ranked like #32 in terms of difficulty?


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Didn't their GM get like 50% new players on the roster?

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These kinds of accolades usually precede a fall off in performance for executives in other businesses. I don't know if that happens in the NFL but at least we don't have to find out the hard way. Being the best is better than being named the best.


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If I'm reading this right, isn't this the Sporting News exec of the year, and not the official AP award?


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If I'm reading this right, isn't this the Sporting News exec of the year, and not the official AP award?

I think you're right, actually. Looking into it...

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After a couple google searches, it appears there is no AP award for Exec of the Year. So maybe this is as official as it gets? I have no idea.

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AP doesn't name an Executive of the Year. The Sporting News award is considered the premiere one for the category.

I just saw the voting breakdown:

Ryan Grigson - Indianapolis - 9
John Elway - Denver - 8
John Schnieder - Seattle - 3

Bruce Allen - Washington - 2
Rick Smith- Houston - 2

WOW. That. Is. Ridiculous.


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AP doesn't name an Executive of the Year. The Sporting News award is considered the premiere one for the category.

I just saw the voting breakdown:

Ryan Grigson - Indianapolis - 9
John Elway - Denver - 8
John Schnieder - Seattle - 3
Bruce Allen - Washington - 2
Rick Smith- Houston - 2

WOW. That. Is. Ridiculous.
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Wow, they really missed their marks.


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Well the GM did come in and completely overhauled that roster. I think it was 26 of the 53 man roster were all new players he brought in, so it's not much of a robbery. They hit on some guys besides Luck, of course...that shouldn't even count. But TY Hilton, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, Brazill, Sowell, Ballard all contributed. And then of course, bringing in Pagano.

I think a couple years down the road and you look back at each respective bodies of work, Schneider will clearly be the winner, though...probably even the Exec of the Decade if such a thing existed.


Didn't john do this same thing two years in a row?
I guess we will see soon enough who builds a better club.


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Scottemojo wrote:
Lets be honest here. We want John to win as much for the last three years as the last one year. But the Colts did win 11 games with a rookie and while switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Not bad at all. Neither Schneider or Grigson is a bad choice.


Kind of rings hollow for me. This snub reminds me of what the Academy Awards does all the time, anointing a flavor of the month film over an obvious all time classic. The Colts had the underlying indicators of a sub .500 team. It is possible, not likely but possible, that Grigson may not even have a job 5 years from now while Schneider is very likely to be the consensus top GM in the league. It wouldn't be the first time this award has looked pretty stupid in retrospect.


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the colts had a MASSIVE roster turnover this past season. I don't remember the exact number but I think it was less than 50% of the roster was on the team last year.

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the colts had a MASSIVE roster turnover this past season. I don't remember the exact number but I think it was less than 50% of the roster was on the team last year.


Schneider had to overcome the same thing. The difference is that the Colts GM inherited 3 future hall of fame players and the top pick guaranteed to land the chosen one Andrew Luck.

Schneider inherited a pile of turds too thick to flush.
No teams over the last few drafts have done half as much as he has. He filled a crappy roster with oodles of probowlers and all-pros and didn't have to have any number one overall picks to do it.


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Lets be honest here. We want John to win as much for the last three years as the last one year. But the Colts did win 11 games with a rookie and while switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Not bad at all. Neither Schneider or Grigson is a bad choice.


If you want to be honest, also bring up the cupcake schedule the Colts had, and having the #1 overall pick which they only got because Curtis Painter's a worse QB than my cat.

John Schneider, on the other hand, was so convinced of what Russell Wilson turned out to be, that he wanted to draft him in the 2nd round instead of the 3rd, and Papa Pete had to talk him down. Just like Elway signing Peyton, it's a move a brain-dead moron would have made, too. Well, even if the Colts didn't, they'd have been fine with RG3 and likely would have made him be more of a passer than the Redskins; but I digress.

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Well the GM did come in and completely overhauled that roster. I think it was 26 of the 53 man roster were all new players he brought in, so it's not much of a robbery. They hit on some guys besides Luck, of course...that shouldn't even count. But TY Hilton, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, Brazill, Sowell, Ballard all contributed. And then of course, bringing in Pagano.

I think a couple years down the road and you look back at each respective bodies of work, Schneider will clearly be the winner, though...probably even the Exec of the Decade if such a thing existed.


Didn't john do this same thing two years in a row?
I guess we will see soon enough who builds a better club.

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All I hear Re: Luck's ROY candidacy is how he has NO DEFENSE, NO RUN GAME, NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, and HAS TO DO IT ALL ON HIS OWN. So, which is it? Did the golden boy carry a terribly assembled roster on his back or did their GM surround him with good-enough talent by replacing half the roster?

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All I hear Re: Luck's ROY candidacy is how he has NO DEFENSE, NO RUN GAME, NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, and HAS TO DO IT ALL ON HIS OWN. So, which is it? Did the golden boy carry a terribly assembled roster on his back or did their GM surround him with good-enough talent by replacing half the roster?

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All I hear Re: Luck's ROY candidacy is how he has NO DEFENSE, NO RUN GAME, NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, and HAS TO DO IT ALL ON HIS OWN. So, which is it? Did the golden boy carry a terribly assembled roster on his back or did their GM surround him with good-enough talent by replacing half the roster?

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These kinds of accolades usually precede a fall off in performance for executives in other businesses. I don't know if that happens in the NFL but at least we don't have to find out the hard way. Being the best is better than being named the best.



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Sorry Blueandgreen I disagree. ROY decision could rightfully favor any one of the three QB's. But executive? No way. Schneider should've won hands down.


To be fair the Colts GM made massive additions to the roster. 6 of their draft picks played very significant roles in their offense. The had rookie QB, RB, 2-TE's, 2-WR's. Pretty good haul.

Though I think it's hard to overlook 1) OROY candidate Russell Wilson (Best value in the entire draft), 2) DROY candidate Bobby Wagner, 3) Rookie Sack leader Bruce Irvin.

Than you add in Turbin, Guy (at end of year), Sweezy, Scruggs, and Lane and I think you have the most complete draft in the league in terms of contributors.


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All I hear Re: Luck's ROY candidacy is how he has NO DEFENSE, NO RUN GAME, NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, and HAS TO DO IT ALL ON HIS OWN. So, which is it? Did the golden boy carry a terribly assembled roster on his back or did their GM surround him with good-enough talent by replacing half the roster?

Can't have it both ways.

That really is an excellent point.

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All I hear Re: Luck's ROY candidacy is how he has NO DEFENSE, NO RUN GAME, NO OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, and HAS TO DO IT ALL ON HIS OWN. So, which is it? Did the golden boy carry a terribly assembled roster on his back or did their GM surround him with good-enough talent by replacing half the roster?

Can't have it both ways.


Kudos on pointing out the doublethink.

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Colts GM wins.

Of course he would, he took a team that purposely tanked a Season so the Colts would get Andrew Luck to replace FHOF P. Manning, so nothing the bullsh*t folks do anymore, surprises me in the least. :pukeface:
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Here is the biggest irony of it all to me.

Luck for Rookie of the Year argument -- he did it all himself. Didn't have any help. Such a great rookie - just crap around him rookies etc. RG3 and RW had much better personnel around him

Ryan Grigson - Executive of the Year argument - Assembled such a great team. Managed to move so many pieces into one place and it wasn't about making the obvious number one pick it was about all those other great pieces coming together.......


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Congratulations to the Colts GM for having the guts to make the most obvious move in the last 20 years of football.


Take over for a team that gave up midway through last season in order to secure the draft status.. they tanked the season last year so the cupboard was not nearly as bare as many thought..

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Why would you give an award for being Pete's lackey?

The award for best guy to pick up Pete's dry cleaning, draft players Pete tells him to draft, sharpen Pete's pencils, Pick out flowers and a nice romantic card and some chocolates and sign Pete's name to the card and make dinner reservations for Pete's wife's birthday, oh and get her something sexy like some panties or something, I don't know what size she is, Jesus John should I get Idzik to do it.

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Lol are you implying JS is just a glorified, overachieving secretary? If that's the case, then secretaries are criminally undervalued in the eyes of the media.


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Grigson getting the award, I can at least understand.

But Elway finishing second to Schneider's distant third is too ridiculous for words. At least for words I can post here.


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Yeah, really tough to win with Peyton Manning, what a tough choice for Elway. And the Colts were so smart to pick that Luck guy, wow, what an amazing front office they have :roll:

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He should just hand the trophy to Andrew Luck.

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