The real reason Matt Flynn's trade value will probably suck

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  • kearly wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:The reason? RG3.


    RG3 was a walking injury before he ever played a down in the NFL. That's why I viewed him as only a top 10 pick instead of the once in a generation type that everyone wanted to make him out to be last year.

    Kaepernick and Wilson both have a long history of being durable. Cam Newton is durable. EJ Manuel is durable. Even RG3 could up his shelf life if he learns how to protect his body.

    I don't think this is a fad. It's not the wildcat, it's not a wrinkle in a playbook. It will become the new normal NFL offense until an even better offense takes it's place down the road. The whole point of the point guard style is that it forces defenses to defend more threats. Plus, it's really hard to defend a QB who is good at running and passing. This has been true for decades. Nothing gimmicky about that.

    Even before the read option wave hit the NFL, evaluators were over-rating QB mobility going back forever (it was the main reason Tom Brady reached the 6th round, and a big reason why nearly half the GMs in the NFL preferred Sanchez over Stafford). Teams have always coveted mobile QBs, but finding good ones who could also throw is hard to do. But with this new system, it makes the life of a QB so easy that it's a lot easier to find those mobile QBs who can also be effective passers. Colin Kaepernick just gashed the crap out of the Falcons without running almost at all. It was because that whole time the Falcons had to waste a defender just to spy Kaepernick as a runner.



    I think that RW is a QB that can run. The other cant pass...Kapernick has very little touch and Has that "I'm invincible". Huge head thing. Meaning he's going to take a shot and be done, he's got that cocky attitude where I think he will start to get targeted if you will

    Those teams had better have 2-3 good backups

    That's the challenge going forward I beleive...going to have to cycle through qb's (if injury happens...RG 3)..so now to keep some talent you have to pay...then you start to get qb controversy. Back up says "I can play!! Then the chemistry starts to get all effed up. Distraction is not what teams need.

    Cam is 6-6 260...and can't throw. They are in the bottom of the league...here is a trivia question. Who's his backup?

    These defensive guys are going to start getting tired of chasing these guys!! Someone wo blast one of them with a concussion...and they won't be running so much

    Bottom line...if they are passers first and can get out like RW. Different story. He can bomb it around so...
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  • kearly wrote:
    Kaepernick is good and isn't a fluke, but he isn't yet as good as his numbers. He's a lot like Alex Smith- a beneficiary of maybe the best football coach in the world. Kaepernick locks onto receivers, runs a simple offense, and has struggled under adversity.


    Wow Kearly, you really missed on this part above....you actually reinforce my point that you guys undervalue Kap.
    Kap consistently hits 2nd and 3rd receivers, UNLESS the 1st option is open and by harbs offensive design that happens quite often.

    Next, "runs a simple offense"??? Thats actually funny! Harbaughs offense is anything but simple and Kap(100+ plays at their disposal each week (quote from OC Roman), comes to the LOS at every snap with 2 plays called and he has decide which play is best based on the defense OR audible to a completely new play which he has done for some big plays since he became the starter. so easy?...please

    Lastly, "struggled under adversity"...not as funny as the simple offense but quite near.
    So, 1st start is against Chicago on MNF and he killed em! how about rolling into NO and beating Brees in primetime, what abot defeating the patriots in Foxboro in december for the first time in 10 yrs or taking out GB and Rogers in his 8th start and doing it in record setting fashion, or getting down by 17 points in Atlanta in the NFCCG and remaining cool and leading his team with his arm to a berth in the Superbowl. He struggles pretty well I think.

    reg season stats:
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    136 compl., 62.4%, 1814 yds, 8.32 yds per, 10 TDs/3 ints and a 98.2 rating

    In the 2013 playoffs Kap is 33/52 for 499 yards and 3 Tds and 1 int...plus over 200 yds rushing

    So if that is your definition of a QB running a simple offense while locking onto 1 receiver and struggling with adversity then Keep it up Kaepernick!!!
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  • Why are we talking about the 49ers on a Seahawks site? Are there no 49ers sites for that?
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:Why are we talking about the 49ers on a Seahawks site? Are there no 49ers sites for that?

    It's amazing that they sift through threads just in case there might be a 49er mention to argue with.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:Why are we talking about the 49ers on a Seahawks site? Are there no 49ers sites for that?


    I don't know. Apparently it must have something tangential to do with Matt Flynn.
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  • just responding to Kearly and his thoughts on Kaepernick...whats so confusing?
    This is a NFL pro football website, we can discuss all NFL related information I would presume. Plus, I live here in the PNW and have these conversations literally daily with hawk fans, if you dont like my thoughts you dont have to read them right.
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  • Ninerguy wrote:just responding to Kearly and his thoughts on Kaepernick...whats so confusing?
    This is a NFL pro football website, we can discuss all NFL related information I would presume. Plus, I live here in the PNW and have these conversations literally daily with hawk fans, if you dont like my thoughts you dont have to read them right.


    This thread is about Matt Flynn and his value as a Seahawk. If you'd like to talk about Kaepernick, go to the NFL forum. Or, dare I boldly suggest, a 49ers forum.

    I strongly suggest you don't come in here and tell us to bend the way our board works. Don't hijack our threads to talk about your players.
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  • The only reason the Redskin's season didn't tank when RG3 got hurt was that Shanahan is a damn smart dude who drafted Cousins at a value. If they don't have a good backup QB, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.

    The only thing this will do to trade value is maybe up the value of backup QBs. I can see mid round QBs being reached on because if you're going to run the read option, you're going to need 2 good QBs on the roster. Cam Newton and maybe Kaepernick are different because they're such big guys and they can take the abuse....but Newton regressed this year (mainly due to intangibles). Even then, guys like Big Ben are also large guys, but Ben is always dinged up because he holds the ball too long and takes too many hits; hits that aren't nearly as violent as ones he'd sustain in the open field.

    I think Flynn's trade value will be fine...maybe 2nd round or so. There aren't any good QBs in this draft; I'd rather reach on a guy that has NFL seasoning and has shown in flashes that he can play than a raw rookie that you know you're also reaching on. PLus, looking at how Wilson played this year will also help Flynn's trade value; he no longer lost his job to a rookie he couldn't beat out, he got beat out by one of the best QBs in the NFL in his emerging season.
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