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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:22 pm
  • I'm sure that those that figure if your not starting you should be paid minimum wage, and if you screw up you should be cut are great Management types.

    There is a list of Free Agents or possible cuts, Vick probably fits our system best and will only cost 15 million, we should go for him, because if the glove fits you must take the cap hit.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:34 pm
  • The only way Flynn is gone is if we get value for him 2nd or 3rd round pick IMO. There is zero percent chance we cut him, zero.

    We've already invested a lot in him, and a capable back up that we would feel comfortable in would cost 2 MM a year anyways. Flynn will have value, and if not, then he will next off season. Let me ask you a question, if we didn't have Wilson, and we still had Tavaris, what would you give up for Flynn who's locked up for 2 more years at a reasonable starter salary? People still have the GB vs Det and GB vs NE tape that we all once drooled over. However, if by some slight chance we weren't able to get the value that JS mentioned this off-season, then we would certainly keep him. By cutting him you are admitting that you saw wrong in him, and that it was a mistake- signing Flynn wasn't a mistake..PC and JS rarely make them.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:03 pm
  • [quote=theenglishseahawk]
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:What a half ass tweet. I don't buy it. We trade him or hold onto him.


    If you were expecting a diatribe there's a 140 character limit...

    [/quote]

    You managed to say nothing of value within 140 characters as well. Congratulations.

    I work in social media, I am obviously aware of the character limit.

    I think Cole could have at the very least said 'per sources', or supply a link to a blog post that actually says something to back his tweet. Is cole a legit source?
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:22 pm
  • Free Agents and 2012 Salarys off of Google Search


    Brian Hoyer – ARI - Tainted, has been touched by Arizona and actually looked better then what they had there in Skelton and Lindley I thnk his name is.1.927 million USD (2012)
    Luke McCown – ATL - One of the McCowns, serviceable but can't hold a job 825,000 USD (2012)
    Joe Flacco – BAL - He's not Elite, Brady said so........ No chance this guy goes anywhere. 4.61 million USD (2012)
    Tarvaris Jackson – BUF - Knows our offense but has limitations. 4 million USD (2012)
    Tyler Thigpen – BUF - If Buffalo drafts another QB then could be the odd man out also. 2.5 million USD (2012)
    Derek Anderson – CAR - Going to Cleveland possibly..... Again 825,000 USD (2012)
    Jason Campbell – CHI - Here's a possibility, mobile , strong Arm, but when cold icey and not enough Hot. Could be intrigueing though if we think we know whats wrong with him or can limit his chances to make mistakes .1.5 million USD (2012)
    Josh McCown – CHI - One of the McCowns, serviceable but can't hold a job Salary: 825,000 USD (2012)
    Bruce Gradkowski – CIN - I like this guy, smart savvy and finds a way to win, mobile enough to get out of trouble 1.8 million USD (2012)
    Drew Stanton – IND - Who? 1.25 million USD for last year.
    Brady Quinn – KC - Actually did a lot with very little time behind center, still not a fit for us. 1.5 million USD (2012)
    Pat Devlin – MIA – umm undrafted and on Dolphins roster, scout team guy I would have to think. (Ex) 390,000 USD (2012)
    Matt Moore – MIA He's back up and wants to start, would not be happy here, same situation were in with Flynn. 2.5 million USD (2012)
    Chase Daniel – NO seen him step in for Brees and he looked good, doubt they let him go easily. He's a bargain based on other salries and they can afford to pay him a bit.700,000 USD (2012)
    David Carr – NYG Just not what he was, beat up to much and read option I think is the last thing we would want to see him do now.925,000 USD (2012)
    Matt Leinart – OAK He thinks he is still good enough to start, made several comments last year as he would possibly be there in case Palmer falters or gets hurt. Then sucked when he got a chance. He gets paid well though.3 million USD (2012)
    Charlie Batch – PIT His best days are in the past I'm afarid for a new start. 925,000 USD (2012
    Byron Leftwich – PIT Often injured and not someone I think fits our needs either.825,000 USD (2012)
    Kellen Clemens – STL He doesn't stink it up, he's too short though :) 6-2 Weight: 220 just remember that when he was drafted, not ideal height. 700,000 USD (2012)
    Rex Grossman – WAS Pocket passer and the Hot and Cold is the same issue with him. 1.3 million USD (2012)

    Everyone else is on the scrap heap for one reason or another, I don't think any of them can help except Vince Young if he had his head straght, seems he could not even make it in Buffalo and that says something.



    Vince Young – FA
    Sage Rosenfels – FA
    Seneca Wallace – FA
    Donovan McNabb – FA
    A.J. Feeley – FA
    Troy Smith – FA
    Chris Redman – FA
    John Beck – FA
    Stephen McGee – FA
    Jordan Palmer – FA
    J.P. Loseman – FA


    At some point I would like to look at the rosters and see who the cut targets are going to be. Hass and Fitzpatrick, Vick, Tebow are a few possibles. But need to look deeper.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:50 pm
  • You guys over-value Flynn. We started a rookie with a 1/10th of the offense for 8 games of this season over him. Just because RW turned out to be an incredible stud doesn't mean that at one point Matt Flynn wasn't sitting on the bench behind a 3rd round 5'10" rookie.

    I'll happily cut Flynn, pick up a 4/5th round QB, pay him the minimum and have an as-competent backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:10 am
  • I'm not worried about this situation. Seattle doesn't have to trade Flynn any time soon. The start of FA (and trade) is still 2 months away, and as that unfolds we'll see teams evaluating their options. Flynn's contract isn't bad by starter standards, and if he was a free agent he'd be the best quarterback on the open market. He's probably a better QB than several current NFL starters. This isn't perceived as a great draft for QBs. And you have desperate GMs/coaches out there.

    All it takes is one bidder and suddenly the "Seattle's going to cut Flynn attitude" goes out the window. I would be pretty surprised if at least one team didn't offer a can of peanuts for Flynn by the end of August. And when that happens and teams realize that Flynn's not going to be a UFA, you might even have a mini bidding war for him. Flynn might be open to restructure and Seattle can always get a little creative with their trade demands (like they did for trading Kelly Jennings).

    Bottom line, I'd be very surprised if Seattle got a ton for Flynn. I think a mid round pick or a draft pick swap might be the best case scenario. Whatever happens, releasing Flynn doesn't really make a lot of sense, not this year. Flynn is going to be a better 2013 backup than any rookie QB Seattle drafts this year. He's the kind of QB that can come in and keep the Seahawks alive if Wilson has to miss a few games from injury.

    My prediction is that Seattle deals him for minor compensation sometime in late March.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:31 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:I think Cole could have at the very least said 'per sources', or supply a link to a blog post that actually says something to back his tweet. Is cole a legit source?


    So the difference between you accepting this tweet and not was the lack of 'per sources' in his 140 character limit?
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:19 am
  • I'm with kearly here. I think the team ends up "TJacking" Flynn, the Hawks get a 5th rounder or so before draft time, and head into the draft with 11 picks instead of 10 and without Flynn's contract hanging over their heads. They draft a guy like Matt Scott to come in and hold a clipboard for peanuts for the foreseeable future and EVERYONE (.Net, Flynn, his hot girlfriend, his parents, JS, PC, etc.) goes home happy. Flynn talks up how great it was to be a member of such a class organization, JS and PC talk about how great of a backup Flynn was, and people will look back on 1/23/2014 as we prepare for the Super Bowl and think "remember when Matt Flynn was a major subject at the beginning of the offseason?!" and we'll all laugh about it.

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:51 am
  • lukerguy wrote:Let me ask you a question, if we didn't have Wilson, and we still had Tavaris, what would you give up for Flynn who's locked up for 2 more years at a reasonable starter salary?


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:53 am
  • I find this whole thread pretty funny, English is just carrying forward his angst for Flynn. His posted opinion of Flynn before we signed him was he has a weak arm, isn't mobile and has done nothing to show he is any good at all. If you believe English, Flynn in the Detroit and NE games simply took the snap, stepped back and hucked the ball as far as he could (15 yards) and that amazing receiving core in GB did the rest.

    Remember this is the guy that was willing to bet his house that Seattle had no interest in Flynn. Kind of speaks volumes of why he is now trying to suggest again that Flynn sucks and there is no market for the guy and never was.

    Is it possible that no market develops for Flynn? Sure but using last year as a reference for that while ignoring both markets is beyond dumb. This is much more in the mind set of hoping there is no market so for even a short time he looks like he was right about Flynn to begin with. I guess there is no possible way we are ever going to get something for Jackson at 4 million a year either.

    I get more the feeling that the FO might have made a promise to Flynn to keep him happy last season and if they do release him before the 4th week of next season, there is nothing that will change my mind on that. We paid Jackson and Whitehurst 4 Million a year and we are in better cap position now than then. Cutting Flynn to pay another back up 4 mil, unless you as a FO believe you wouldn't be hurting the position is not smart and when you consider that this FO traded alot for Whitehurst and then signed Jackson, you have to question if they themselves believe they can just go grab any old back up.

    For those that say just cut him and draft or grab anyone or that we have no shot at a super bowl with him, go look at history. There are a ton of backups the came in and won super bowls. There are also starters that were backup quality that did. It isn't just about a major injury either. If your starter gets nicked up for a week or 6 you want a guy that can keep your team in the win column. When playoff seeding happens that can make a huge difference in home field or playing at Fedex field again.

    Even if no real market surfaces for Flynn in the off season you still hang onto him (assuming you haven't committed to releasing him before hand) and wait to see who gets injured next year. Did anyone think the Bengals would get up to 2 first rounders for Palmer?

    Again this thread isn't about whether Flynn is starter quality or even worth the money he is scheduled to make. It's about the guy who has been committed to discrediting Flynn since before he was a Seahawk. Anyone surprised who created the thread to begin with? I'm not.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:59 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:
    For those that say just cut him and draft or grab anyone or that we have no shot at a super bowl with him, go look at history. There are a ton of backups the came in and won super bowls. There are also starters that were backup quality that did. It isn't just about a major injury either. If your starter gets nicked up for a week or 6 you want a guy that can keep your team in the win column. When playoff seeding happens that can make a huge difference in home field or playing at Fedex field again.


    A ton?

    Name them. I'll even spot you two: Jeff Hostetler and Doug Williams.

    Who are the rest that make up this "ton"?
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:59 am
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:06 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:I find this whole thread pretty funny, English is just carrying forward his angst for Flynn. His posted opinion of Flynn before we signed him was he has a weak arm, isn't mobile and has done nothing to show he is any good at all. If you believe English, Flynn in the Detroit and NE games simply took the snap, stepped back and hucked the ball as far as he could (15 yards) and that amazing receiving core in GB did the rest.

    Remember this is the guy that was willing to bet his house that Seattle had no interest in Flynn. Kind of speaks volumes of why he is now trying to suggest again that Flynn sucks and there is no market for the guy and never was.

    Is it possible that no market develops for Flynn? Sure but using last year as a reference for that while ignoring both markets is beyond dumb. This is much more in the mind set of hoping there is no market so for even a short time he looks like he was right about Flynn to begin with. I guess there is no possible way we are ever going to get something for Jackson at 4 million a year either.

    I get more the feeling that the FO might have made a promise to Flynn to keep him happy last season and if they do release him before the 4th week of next season, there is nothing that will change my mind on that. We paid Jackson and Whitehurst 4 Million a year and we are in better cap position now than then. Cutting Flynn to pay another back up 4 mil, unless you as a FO believe you wouldn't be hurting the position is not smart and when you consider that this FO traded alot for Whitehurst and then signed Jackson, you have to question if they themselves believe they can just go grab any old back up.

    For those that say just cut him and draft or grab anyone or that we have no shot at a super bowl with him, go look at history. There are a ton of backups the came in and won super bowls. There are also starters that were backup quality that did. It isn't just about a major injury either. If your starter gets nicked up for a week or 6 you want a guy that can keep your team in the win column. When playoff seeding happens that can make a huge difference in home field or playing at Fedex field again.

    Even if no real market surfaces for Flynn in the off season you still hang onto him (assuming you haven't committed to releasing him before hand) and wait to see who gets injured next year. Did anyone think the Bengals would get up to 2 first rounders for Palmer?

    Again this thread isn't about whether Flynn is starter quality or even worth the money he is scheduled to make. It's about the guy who has been committed to discrediting Flynn since before he was a Seahawk. Anyone surprised who created the thread to begin with? I'm not.



    Yes I told Jason Cole to put the tweet out there. We're in cahoots. It's to aid my agenda to prove to the world that Matt Flynn is a weak armed quarterback.

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:09 am
  • LymonHawk wrote:IIRC: Flynn gets 2mil out of the 5mil, guaranteed. So the savings is only 3mil. Now consider how much we would have to pay for a competent backup, and it's no great savings in cutting Flynn.

    Maybe we could trade him for Carson Palmer? :twisted:

    Now there is a guy who will probably be released.

    My take on this whole thread: Last year is not this year. Kolb was rumored to move for two years before he did get traded.

    Miami was so hot and heavy for Manning last year, before we forget. In fact, Miami was shocked he went elsewhere. Flynn would have been a pretty big letdown after that. I think English and I were shocked Seattle even cared one bit for Flynn, he simply doesn't fit their biggish arm/mobile template. Miami had just let Matt Moore go, Flynn is just a slightly better Moore. IMO, before the 480/6 crew gets pissed at me.

    Manning was the wildcard last year, it's hard to settle for lime rickeys when you were all set for margaritas. The pursuit of Manning had Alex Smith almost out of a job, Kolb on the verge of release, Pete and John waiting on the Denver tarmac, Tennessee on the verge of a new civil war, and a half dozen teams we never heard of probably lining up for lotto tickets. Miami though they had him for sure, partly because Manning leveraged them for more cash.

    Jason Cole is a troll. Just go read his yahoo archive if you have the stomach. He fancies himself an insider, I bet Doub has as many inside sources (say 3). The market isn't even open yet, so speculation is unwarranted unless Flynn has a big roster bonus like Kolb coming up. Which he doesn't. The QB market is going to be more packed this year, too many new GMs and head coaches. The aisles are going to be more bare this year, there are potentially 3 or 4 first rounders. All with questions. The free agent market is going to be drier.

    The hidden truth in here is this: Matt Flynn will not be a Seahawk for the 2013 season. I will guarantee it. My guarantee is worth precisely dick. I know 2 things, our front office is open to talks, and Flynn is desperate to start in the NFL. Flynn wants to be in Seattle next year about as much as Jim Harbaugh. Pete and John will accomodate his wish. If they have to cut him, they will.
    I am going one farther, I think Flynn is going to Jacksonville for a 5th. Jacksonville is still stinging from a 1st round miss with the hippie QB, and a flirtation with Chad Henne opened their eyes about needing a superior athlete at QB. I think Bradley is going to do the usual NFL routine of filling your luggage with familiar items. His GM may be the real boss down there, but they didn't hire him because his philosophy of strong D, game manager QB is outdated.

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:18 am
  • RichNhansom wrote: Cutting Flynn to pay another back up 4 mil, unless you as a FO believe you wouldn't be hurting the position is not smart and when you consider that this FO traded alot for Whitehurst and then signed Jackson, you have to question if they themselves believe they can just go grab any old back up.

    For those that say just cut him and draft or grab anyone or that we have no shot at a super bowl with him, go look at history. There are a ton of backups the came in and won super bowls.


    I doubt they'd cut Flynn and bring in a similarly priced FA back up. The back up next year will almost certainly be a draft pick or a FA on a much cheaper deal.

    As for back ups winning superbowls: Brady was in just his second season (he passed 3 times for 6 yards as the 4th choice QB on the roster during his first) having been a 6th round pick when he stepped in and took the Pats all the way. It's a pretty far fetched analogy and not one that is likely to be repeated, but I bet there was nobody who thought, when Bledsoe went down, that Brady would have a hope in hell of taking them all the way. He was both cheap and inexperienced, not a seasoned vet on starter money. So Schneider, go find us a Brady!
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:32 am
  • I think English is hoping we can trade Flynn for Courtney Upshaw.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:42 am
  • If last offseason doesn't satisfy the idea that Flynn is just not that much of a hot commodity in the NFL, try the fact that he's a 28-year-old career backup with a mediocre arm, mediocre mobility, and experience with top receivers in a pure passing system where somebody was almost always open. He has less ceiling than Colin Kaepernick or Andy Dalton, both of whom went for second-round picks. I'm not even convinced his W-L record would outdo T-Jack's 7-8 from 2011.

    There is absolutely nothing pointing to the idea that some team will be so lustful for Flynn that they'll give up that level of pick, except for people appealing to the stupidity of a GM. For me, that stupidity exists but probably nets us a 4th at absolute best.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:53 am
  • I dont appreciate Scott equating his inside source ability to "dick". And, you cant be Cole, because, well, I am already. Oh, and Miami kept Moore, he was on their roster last year (reason 1,345 why Miami never wanted Flynn that English will deny).

    English got taken for London Bridge (British jokes!!!!) here, but thats okay, we still love him.

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:59 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:LINK: https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/stat ... 2142918656

    "While Seattle has told QB Matt Flynn they are willing to trade him, finding trade partner is problematic because several expect he'll be cut."


    Not that surprising.



    I read that as 'other teams' expect him to be cut so they will be less likely to offer a trade which in turn will make him more likely to be cut. It's a vicious cycle.

    I don't know why the Seahawks would cut him. I believe they have the cap room to keep him around another year. Then they would be able to drop him the following year when they have to start signing all our overperforming low draft picks.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:00 am
  • And people actually thought Matt Flynn was worth as much as a first round pick, lol! I knew this all along, that Flynn doesn't have much (if any) value on the market. He is simply not a proven quarterback. If he had a full season under his belt, where he put up good or at least decent numbers, then we would be talking 3rd or even 2nd round picks.

    We overvalued Matt Flynn, so this kind of news [if he does get cut] really shouldn't be so surprising. Just because we're paying him a starting QB's salary, doesn't make him a valuable asset to other teams around the league. Even to teams that need a QB. They'd rather draft one or pick a proven veteran up.

    Tarvaris Jackson is actually worth more than Flynn.

    QB's are not exactly a dime a dozen though, so I can see why a lot of people put more value on Flynn than he is actually worth. Kinda funny how things work out, sometimes...
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:04 am
  • Further correspondence from Cole on this Twitter thread:

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    @JasonColeYahoo Zero chance he's cut. That would be to admit they were wrong to sign him. They weren't wrong...it's just Wilson was right.


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:09 am
  • Press the weasel on "who" these sources are. My bet would be its; English, Flynn's agent and Schneider. Although I'm pretty sure the first two people are one in the same.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:28 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:I think Cole could have at the very least said 'per sources', or supply a link to a blog post that actually says something to back his tweet. Is cole a legit source?


    So the difference between you accepting this tweet and not was the lack of 'per sources' in his 140 character limit?


    Did I say that? Or did you read incorrectly? Sheesh you are being pretty dense. It's poor journalism to just make a brash statement without saying where it came from. Most legitamate reporters will at least say it was from sources, or per another report with link etc. Id expect you know this at least to some extent, as I have seen you complain about it in the past. Guess you are selective that way. The tweet has near zero credibility as is (jason coles name is on it, thats it. who cares?) Might as well be from bleacher report. Saying it is from a reliable source, is again, a start. Should fit in the character limit, too.

    Even in the next tweet from the exchange with lurker "just relaying what people think", He gives zero detail or credibilty. I mean really? Are these people that matter? Are they even football people? Or did he just read some random community convo and then make a generic and largely baseless statement?
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:37 am
  • All you Flynn lovers make me sick. :lol:

    In a perfect world we keep both he and Wilson next year, or trade Flynn for a pick of some sort.. but if we cant and that $3M is the difference between a Richard Sherman staying in Seattle for 5 more years or him going to a Dallas or Washington.. ummm sorry Flynn, love ya buddy and wish you the best.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:40 am
  • If we cut Flynn, it will not be about money or cap. It will be because we either found someone else who is a better fit for us, or because we reach the decision that Flynn is just not right for the Hawks.

    Look at our roster and count how many guys we have in their first 4 years. Only those in their 4th year have contracts under the old CBA. Using Wilsons contract as an example, (3rd round Qb), his third year will pay him about 700K. If that is "average", and you have 40 guys on your team in their first 4 years, thats about 30M, leaving 90M to spread out on vets. 30 in the first 4 it goes down to 20M leaving 100M for vets. Welcome to life in the new NFL.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:42 am
  • If we cut or traded Flynn, who would be the backup? We are only carrying two QB's on the roster. Would we draft another rookie to back up Wilson? Pick a veteran off the scrap heap, like Cassel, Quinn, etc? If we trade Flynn it would be for draft choices. If we trade Flynn it will be because the Hawks have their eye on a veteran coming available or another sleeper in the draft. I don't see him being cut.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:47 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:All you Flynn lovers make me sick. :lol:

    In a perfect world we keep both he and Wilson next year, or trade Flynn for a pick of some sort.. but if we cant and that $3M is the difference between a Richard Sherman staying in Seattle for 5 more years or him going to a Dallas or Washington.. ummm sorry Flynn, love ya buddy and wish you the best.


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:55 am
  • As much as people want to point to the high numbers produced in Flynn's two starts, no one ever mentions that in his two starts he threw interceptions on probably 30% of his passes that traveled over 15 yards. He is a risk taker down field and doesn't have the arm to back that up.

    The true question and one that no one but the coaching staff can answer is, is Josh Portis ready to be the number two guy and come in and get us wins if our starter gets injured (I am not willing to put his name and injured in the same sentence)? A lot of Seahawk fans got very excited about Portis after two drives in the preseason two seasons ago, but his last preseason was not impressive at all. The lack of reps probably killed him, but this offseason he should be putting in work as much as either one of the guys ahead of him on the depth chart with our receivers. All of them have already stated they will be working with Russell Wilson, and I wonder if they will extend the same for Portis.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:58 am
  • Zowert wrote:And people actually thought Matt Flynn was worth as much as a first round pick, lol! I knew this all along, that Flynn doesn't have much (if any) value on the market. He is simply not a proven quarterback. If he had a full season under his belt, where he put up good or at least decent numbers, then we would be talking 3rd or even 2nd round picks.

    We overvalued Matt Flynn, so this kind of news [if he does get cut] really shouldn't be so surprising. Just because we're paying him a starting QB's salary, doesn't make him a valuable asset to other teams around the league. Even to teams that need a QB. They'd rather draft one or pick a proven veteran up.

    Tarvaris Jackson is actually worth more than Flynn.

    QB's are not exactly a dime a dozen though, so I can see why a lot of people put more value on Flynn than he is actually worth. Kinda funny how things work out, sometimes...


    Don't agree, people will always pay for QBs they think can "maybe be the guy".
    Last year was different in that the QB class was deep and full of quality, the top 2 picks were slam dunk starters, and then people were high on Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Cousins, Foles and Wilson - maybe not first round high, but "possible starter guys", and pretty much everyone has been proven right bar a couple. This year there's talk that a QB won't go in the first round (I doubt that will happen), but that also means that the value of backup QBs increase.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:58 am
  • seedhawk wrote:If we cut Flynn, it will not be about money or cap. It will be because we either found someone else who is a better fit for us, or because we reach the decision that Flynn is just not right for the Hawks.

    Look at our roster and count how many guys we have in their first 4 years. Only those in their 4th year have contracts under the old CBA. Using Wilsons contract as an example, (3rd round Qb), his third year will pay him about 700K. If that is "average", and you have 40 guys on your team in their first 4 years, thats about 30M, leaving 90M to spread out on vets. 30 in the first 4 it goes down to 20M leaving 100M for vets. Welcome to life in the new NFL.


    Actually, it could be about all three.

    It will definitely be about money/cap, and we may find a journeyman or rookie that we feel fits the offense better and for less money.

    The thing is, sure, if you look at our current cap situation and don't consider the future at all, we're in pretty good shape. But we've got a lot of amazing, key guys who are so much more important to the team than the backup QB, and we're going to need to start preparing to pay these guys as they come off their rookie deals.

    Given that we can roll cap room over to following seasons, maximizing your cap room in order to keep your crucial players from leaving in FA by signing them to long-term deals prior to them hitting FA is hugely important. Far more important than whether we have Matt Flynn or (for example) Tarvaris Jackson at backup.

    Yes, the Seahawks are very lucky that they don't have a ton of money tied up in the QB position, but it's primarily due to Wilson being the biggest bargain in the league at starting QB. But just because we don't HAVE to release Flynn doesn't mean we shouldn't try to maximize the value we're getting at all positions on the team. If we can get a guy that gives us the peace of mind at backup QB that Flynn does for closer to the vet minimum, then we should take it and let Flynn seek a starting gig elsewhere.

    In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team approach Flynn about reworking his contract to something more cap friendly in order to grease the wheels for a trade, or in the absence of that, to keep him around while giving the team more flexibility to sign guys like Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman, Browner, Okung, etc. to deals that will keep them far away from FA.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:13 am
  • It is pretty crazy how much some people over-value Flynn around here. He is a 28 year old career backup. He has no outstanding physical skills. Few teams were interested in him as a free agent. Since then, he lost out to a rookie in a QB competition. I just don't get why people think he would be worth so much in a trade, or why a struggling team with a pissed off fanbase would even want to sell Matt Flynn as "the answer" to those pissed off fans.

    I think the most you could hope for is that another team is willing to give him exactly the same kind of opportunity Seattle gave him last year: Bring him in, let him compete with a high upside rookie and see what happens. But the thing is, no team is going to give up a high pick for the opportunity to bring him in for a QB competition.

    Despite all that stuff, I do really like him. I think he probably could be a pretty good player, maybe even a good starter. I think he is a fantastic backup. If he was content with it, I'd just assume keep him, unless we have to have that cap space to address other needs.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:15 am
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:26 am
  • We are not CUTTING Flynn. The cost of doing so plus the cost of the backup has to much risk vs the reward. If you can save $10 million and get a great improvement fine but in this case we would save a few millions on the cap but get a huge downgrade.

    Now trading Flynn is surely on the block. Get rid of the full contract and get someone in there cheap but with upside for the future but he will be good enough to come in and play.....
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:27 am
  • I don't see it. There is more value for him this year than last, and he had at least two teams - Seattle and Miami - interested then.

    To say he won't amount to anything because he's been a "perpetual backup" is not really telling the whole story anyway. He backed up a perennial top-5 (and arguably the league's current best) quarterback in Green Bay, and even if Wilson was a 3rd round rookie, his play put him soundly in top-5 quarterback play this year. Flynn would have had to beat out two top-5 quarterbacks on two different teams to make the cut as a starting quarterback. What are the odds of that? But he doesn't have to do that if he's traded. All he has to do is be one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the league to be a starter. He obviously still has the potential for that.

    The thing we're overlooking somewhat here is Flynn's contribution to this team. As I recall, both Carroll and Wilson said he was extremely instrumental in keeping our heads and hearts in the game when we came back against Atlanta. He played a vital role in pumping up spirits on the sidelines, and coaching everyone up to stay in it and come back for what would have been the win. So to dismiss him as so much fodder just because he's making more money than Wilson as Wilson's backup is a bit off. There is a set amount of money tied up in the quarterback position, and even next year, it's not anything to break the bank. He may be cut or (more likely) traded, but he could well remain on our roster next year. We've seen the need for a quality backup. Why open yet another position to be a position of need just to save a few bucks?
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:29 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Did I say that? Or did you read incorrectly? Sheesh you are being pretty dense. It's poor journalism to just make a brash statement without saying where it came from. Most legitamate reporters will at least say it was from sources, or per another report with link etc. Id expect you know this at least to some extent, as I have seen you complain about it in the past. Guess you are selective that way. The tweet has near zero credibility as is (jason coles name is on it, thats it. who cares?) Might as well be from bleacher report. Saying it is from a reliable source, is again, a start. Should fit in the character limit, too.

    Even in the next tweet from the exchange with lurker "just relaying what people think", He gives zero detail or credibilty. I mean really? Are these people that matter? Are they even football people? Or did he just read some random community convo and then make a generic and largely baseless statement?



    I think the rules of the forum say attack the post, not the poster. You might want to keep that in mind next time.

    It's a tweet.

    He relayed some information. There was nothing 'brash' about it. You're arguing he didn't use the words 'per sources'. The world continues to turn whether he uses those words or not. It's completely irrelevant considering it's implied that he has indeed spoken to sources. Anybody can see that.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:31 am
  • It's okay to attack posters not in the country. At least thats what Les said.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:32 am
  • I am wondering why the Seahawks even gave Matt Flynn the amount of money they did. He only has two career regular season starts, and other teams in the league weren't exactly falling over trying to sign him. Actually I think we were the only ones really pursuing him. I did hear about the Miami Dolphins having a little interest in him, and maybe one or two others. But none of them were going to give him a long term deal and especially not the amount of money we dumped into his contract.

    I bet if the talent available in the Quarterback position wasn't so deep in last year's draft. Then Flynn's stock on the free agent market would've been much higher. However, that wasn't the case and we ended up overpaying the guy. Now we're out what could have been the best backup QB in the league because his salary is not worth keeping him on the roster. We're either going to have to sign Portis off the practice squad [before he gets signed to attend another team's training camp] or look around for a decent backup. Its going to tough to find a second string QB that everyone (fans, players and coaches) can be confident in..

    Lets just hope that Russell Wilson has a skeleton with the indestructible metal; adamantium, like the X-Men character "Wolverine".. Since "adamantium" is a fictional metal. Maybe the Seahawks team surgeons can put DangeRuss under the knife this off-season and replace his ordinary bone skeleton with Grade 4 Titanium alloy rods. Then reconstruct all of his ligaments (ACL, MCL, etc) with Type-49 Kevlar, or maybe some type of carbon nanofiber material. Graphene [200x stronger than steel] if you could somehow use it to make knee ligaments. Basically, I want RW to be indestructible.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:35 am
  • pehawk wrote:It's okay to attack posters not in the country. At least, thats what Les said.


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:40 am
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    pehawk wrote:It's okay to attack posters not in the country. At least, thats what Les said.


    Hell yeah! Let's gang up on the foreigners!


    You'd like that wouldn't you, Air Supply?

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:58 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Did I say that? Or did you read incorrectly? Sheesh you are being pretty dense. It's poor journalism to just make a brash statement without saying where it came from. Most legitamate reporters will at least say it was from sources, or per another report with link etc. Id expect you know this at least to some extent, as I have seen you complain about it in the past. Guess you are selective that way. The tweet has near zero credibility as is (jason coles name is on it, thats it. who cares?) Might as well be from bleacher report. Saying it is from a reliable source, is again, a start. Should fit in the character limit, too.

    Even in the next tweet from the exchange with lurker "just relaying what people think", He gives zero detail or credibilty. I mean really? Are these people that matter? Are they even football people? Or did he just read some random community convo and then make a generic and largely baseless statement?


    I think the rules of the forum say attack the post, not the poster. You might want to keep that in mind next time.

    It's a tweet.

    He relayed some information. There was nothing 'brash' about it. You're arguing he didn't use the words 'per sources'. The world continues to turn whether he uses those words or not. It's completely irrelevant considering it's implied that he has indeed spoken to sources. Anybody can see that.


    Where is the emote smiley shedding a little tear? Or playing a tiny violin? Come on man.

    Agree to disagree. I don't think it's credible, or that it really means a dang thing. You are obviously an advocate of his thoughts and are pushing it on others, that's fine. I think the attempts to defend cole are as weak as the arguments provided for releasing Flynn. Good thing is, we get to see how it all plays out.

    I wonder what incarceratedbob has to say about this topic? #beleiveeverythingontwitter
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:59 am
  • OK...recognizing that I am the new guy with zero credibility here...

    I am at least as big a RW fan as PC, and have been since about 1/2 way through his first game for my alma mater. One of the many things that impress me about RW is how he does what he does and avoids the big hits. That said, in my just over 50 years as a player, coach (kid ball) and fan, I have seen that anyone can get hurt...and the more you put yourself out there, the more chance of that happening.

    My point is that, while RW is clearly the guy, I believe that (especially after years in a GB system that has a pretty good history with QBs) Flynn is one of the top backups in the league and is better than many starters out there. It really wouldn't take a lightning strike...especially with the ever increasingly more stringent concussion protocols mandated by the NFL...for the Hawks to need someone who could step in for a half, or a game, or a few games and keep the team in competition while awaiting Russ' return. How many would like to see the Hawks forced to do what Washington did and either risk the future of their franchise QB by playing him hurt or make do with a some guy who has never played a game in the NFL? Who would one like to see backing up Russ this next year rather than Flynn?

    To me, for a difference of about $2M-$3M to a team with a ton of cap space, Flynn seems a good enough insurance policy for at least one more year. I really cannot imaging him getting cut for no compensation.

    Now, if there were a trade offer that would produce a big, fast WR with fantastic hands...that might be a different story :)
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:09 am
  • To be fair to Matt, let's remind ourselves of Russell's preseason numbers before being named starter: 35 of 52 (67.3 percent) for 464 yards, five touchdowns and a league-leading 119.4 QB rating.

    Flynn didn't get beat out by a guy who played like a third round rookie in the preseason. He got beat out by a guy who played like the best QB in the NFL. I'm pretty sure fans of the Chiefs, Jags, Cards and Jets would see Flynn as at least a viable two-to-three year solution at QB, much the same way Seattle fans viewed him last year. Not saying he's worth a ton, but his name certainly has infinitely more cachet around the league than that of Tarvaris Jackson last year.

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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:16 am
  • The market for Flynn this year Might be better but Alex Smith is also available, that is another factor to account for. If we couldn't squirrel money away now with Flynn gone for future spending then I would keep him but the reason our cap is in the situation it is in is we are paying way below market value for our production of our secondary, left tackle, and LB unit, eventually we are going to need to lock up these players like Thomas and Sherman who are playing at All-Pro levels but earning way under market value for their contributions.

    I would simply take our young drafted players over a FA backup QB when it comes down to it. I like Flynn but he lost the job, and after the Patriots game, no way he was getting it back. Cutting Flynn at least saves us money in the future, trading him would be best as that money goes completely off the books and I would take draft position, not even a pick, for Flynn. Maybe even a trade where we get a depth player like Jennings for McDonald or something like that. I think we are still in the talent acquisition business and any way to save for more younger talent the better. Only way he stays is if we shorten the contract/renegotiate, IMO.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:21 am
  • HawkWow wrote:People call Flynn "a career back-up" like he went from team to team, never able to secure a starting slot no matter how badly those teams expected him to start. How many QBs in this league would beat out Rodgers? After Brady's most recent performance, I'd say the answer to that question is... zero.

    Now, how many QBs in this league could beat out Wilson? I'm sure he's better today than he was when named the starter, but how much better? Obviously JS and PC saw something in Wilson....and they were obviously correct.

    The majority of posters in here have proclaimed there is not one QB in the league they would trade RW for. I am probably in that camp as well.

    So, what we know about Flynn is that he has excelled when called upon (vs. NE and Detroit) and got beat out in Seattle's camp by what many apparently believe to be the best QB in the world. I'm not saying Flynn's worthy of a 1st rounder, but I do believe an asterisk belongs next to the description of "career back-up". YMMV.

    Exactly!... Imagine if the packers let Aaron Rogers move on because they decided to continue on with Farve and he wen't to a team that drafted an amazing rookie qb that could easily be a top 5 qb in the league, so he didn't get a chance to start there either. In that senerio Rogers would have been a "career-backup" as well. Does that mean he is not a good qb? Sometimes you just get put in the wrong situations in life.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:31 am
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    pehawk wrote:It's okay to attack posters not in the country. At least, thats what Les said.


    Hell yeah! Let's gang up on the foreigners!


    You'd like that wouldn't you, Air Supply?

    I'm tired of these LAZY, know-nuttin, freeloading foreigners clogging OUR boards and bandwidth to spread their Bearded Colt McCoy hate. Yeah, I know that statement will ruffle the feathers of Rockhawk who encourages such isht with his "screenname amnesty" program, but someone had to say it. I want my daughter to grow up on a board free of such hate and rhetoric. Not to mention my daughters right to the bandwidth and OP's they're greedily taking for themselves.


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:42 am
  • yeah i just can't see him getting cut. as far as i know the hawks already have 18 million or something like that in free cap space and I'm pretty sure Matt Flynn is only due guaranteed 2 million next year unless he starts so that's not a bad price to be paying for a solid back up
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:47 am
  • DavidSeven wrote:To be fair to Matt, let's remind ourselves of Russell's preseason numbers before being named starter: 35 of 52 (67.3 percent) for 464 yards, five touchdowns and a league-leading 119.4 QB rating.

    Flynn didn't get beat out by a guy who played like a third round rookie in the preseason. He got beat out by a guy who played like the best QB in the NFL.


    But that still doesn't say anything about Flynn. It just leaves us with no conclusion.

    Fans may see Flynn as an option, but I doubt coaches would. He just doesn't have a very exciting profile. Kansas City and Jacksonville, maybe. Rex Ryan isn't going to go for another physically limited QB. The Cards are a division rival and won't be giving us much.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:49 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:To be fair to Matt, let's remind ourselves of Russell's preseason numbers before being named starter: 35 of 52 (67.3 percent) for 464 yards, five touchdowns and a league-leading 119.4 QB rating.

    Flynn didn't get beat out by a guy who played like a third round rookie in the preseason. He got beat out by a guy who played like the best QB in the NFL.


    But that still doesn't say anything about Flynn. It just leaves us with no conclusion.

    Fans may see Flynn as an option, but I doubt coaches would. He just doesn't have a very exciting profile. Kansas City and Jacksonville, maybe. Rex Ryan isn't going to go for another physically limited QB. The Cards are a division rival and won't be giving us much.


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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:08 pm
  • Pure speculation and 100% inaccurate.

    Schneider just said, last week, that they like Flynn and are okay with the money and have no reason to trade. Said they were open to trades, but were happy with him and thought he was the best out there in the backup role. He said the total money for both quarterbacks was well below league average and they thought they had a great situation.

    So yeah, that report is absurd. About as dumb and just plain wrong as all the reports that we were trading Flynn for Sanchez.

    I've learned to stop listening to traditional sports media about anything because they just make stuff up. Jason Cole is good sometimes but this rumor just makes him look dumb. I'm actually embarrassed for him.
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Re: Matt Flynn expected to be cut?
Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:11 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    sutz wrote:Oh, and show me where in the rule book or the CBA it says your backup must make less than a starter.

    :229031_shrug:


    It doesn't, but when the back-up earns over ten (???) times more than your Pro-Bowl starter then it's time to consider that situation. We don't need to spend that much money on a guy who wears a cap and a big coat on game day.


    He's not grossly overpaid for what he is...a starting caliber NFL QB. It's an unprecedented, special circumstance. In a perfect world Russ would be making $15M a year and then we'd have an issue with payroll at the QB position. As it is right now our total payroll at QB is extremely low for the talent and depth we have right now. Flynn has a significant value in this league and for the Hawks to throw that value away and getting nothing return would be ludicrous and something we shouldn't expect Schneider to do.

    If we can't get a 4th rounder or a solid experienced player in return, you keep him.
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