Well, he IS an NFL GM. So that means that nearly every time he's speaking to any member of the media, he's feeling them at least a little bull.

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Another point. Right now the cap is flat, but it will go up in the future, and the teams" WILL" spend basically 90% of their free/cap money every year. Rollover in that instance just guarantees you wind up spending more.

Many here subscribe to the plan that we should find a backup more like Wilson. RW is unique! Even RG3 is not a clone. Close perhaps. Many bring up Portis. He could perhaps be 40% RW.

I respect English for his analysis and pointers, however, when it comes to Flynn, it seems to me Rob is wearing blinders.

Simply because RW fell to us, one way or another, and perhaps winding up a 3rd rould pick drives him more than any of us know, seems to me our team would have still made the playoffs with Flynn as our Qb. Would our games look different, certainly! This Qb debate between Flynn and Wilson is equal to the chicken or the egg first debate.

Am I crazy to think Flynn has more upside than Alex Smith? Obviously, Smith has proven he can thrive in a perfect situation, but what are his game-managing ways going to do for teams like Kansas City or Jacksonville? I feel like the mystery surrounding Flynn's true abilities should benefit him here.

No, not crazy. Alex has always been a terrible red zone QB.

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I can't believe we don't want to keep this guy around FOREVER? Who else could throw for 1000 yards in 5 years? WHO!!!!?!?!?!!

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What if the Falcons had managed to score and beat the 49ers at the end of the game last Sunday? They'd be going to the Super Bowl with a QB who is injured. Would he heal up in time? If not, would he heal up enough that he could play injured but still get the job done? Would they have to go with their backup, and who IS their backup?

If John and company feel they can afford to keep Matt, they will do so. If not, they'll try to shop him. Cutting him would be a last resort--not impossible, but definitely further down the list of possibilities.

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In my book there are at least eight teams that will be (or should be) looking for an upgrade at QB.

They include the Chiefs, the Jags, the Raiders, the Eagles, the Browns, the Cardinals, the Bills and the Jets... and that is the draft order in the first round with the exception of the Lions who pick at #5.

I am of the opinion that at least two of those eight teams will have an interest in Flynn "at the right price".

I believe that the Hawks will trade Flynn on draft day to one of those eight teams... and it could go down as either swapping picks in the same round... likely no earlier than the third round.... or it could go down with a swap coupled with a draft pick if the swap is in a later round... like the 5th or 6th.

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Moved to Seattle in 1980. Hawks fan for 34 years and counting.

Well in that case he also believed Charlie Whitehurst was a starting calibre QB.

JS is a fantastic GM, but he's not invincible.

In the three games where Flynn played significant snaps prior to signing with Seattle, he was... not great. Then again, there's not a lot of evidence, really.

Against the Lions in 2010 when he took over for Rodgers mid-game, he had only one trip to the red zone:

2 plays, 2 attempts, 0 completions, 1 INT

Against the Patriots in 2010, when he was the starter, he had 5 trips into the red zone:

18 plays, 5 runs, 2 sacks (one where he fumbled the ball away to end the game), 11 attempts, 5 completions, 2 TDs

Against the Lions in 2011, when he was the starter, he had 3 trips into the end zone:

10 plays, 2 runs, 8 attempts, 5 completions, 2 TDs

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While there is clear evidence that Flynn's play in the red zone improved with each opportunity to start, I wouldn't yet call red zone play a "strength." I'd still consider it an unknown. What is clear is that at least in the famous 480/6 game, Flynn benefited a lot from the big play. For a team to score 45 points offensively and yet only reach the red zone 3 times in a game is pretty incredible.

I don't have the time to track each of Smith's plays in the red zone right now. Maybe I'll investigate that this evening.

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Except the cap won't really go up for awhile based on the new CBA. Technically you are right but I don't count an extra million as going up (in this case now if it was my salary I would )

"As a review, the 2012 official league-wide cap is $120 million. In 2013, that number is expected to grow only to $121 million, with 2014 at $122 million and a modest bump to $125 million in 2015"

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/7/16/316 ... paul-allen

Just realized something -- except for KC does it really matter if we expect to cut Flynn?

If we cut him he would hardly get past the first team in the draft so KC would pick him up if actually like him. So the other 7 teams that needs a qb would still have to trade for him if they like him and think one team ahead of them on the waiver wire likes Flynn as well.

Don't expect us to cut him regardless

I'm on the other side of this argument cause I think Dallas needs to get Romo some help. Anytime you force your guy to throw for 446 yards in a losing effort it seems to me he's doing his part.

The owner there on the other hand seems to be the one holding them back but we don't need a Jerry Jones type cause he can't catch a football worth a shit either and damn sure isn't a defensive genius either.

what he is is offensive,,,,,,,to anyone that knows how to build a football team.

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You guys can bang your head all you want but I would like to keep Flynn....cap be rammed

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Dallas doesn't have the cap room

The lack of starts is always a fair point, but he's certainly been a victim of circumstance. Backup to a guy who is well on his way to a HOF career, and then gets totally blindsided by a 3rd round phenom. He has all the tools, and certainly would be an upgrade for 6 or 7 teams right now that need a competent quarterback.

It may very well come down to nobody willing to give anything up to take Matt Flynn and his current contract because they don't see the value there....which ultimately means that Schneider and Carroll see a lot more in him than others do....which is, from what we've already learned early and often, par for the course.

I do disagree about the class of QB's this year. It's just not very good, which in turn brings a marginally higher value to Flynn.

Face it guys, Flynn's getting cut. He's just no good.

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Well in The Schneid's defense, I think that he thought Whitehurst was a starting caliber QB coming out of college. I think those 3 years at the bottom of the depth chart, bumming about in the San Diego sun NOT working on the shortcommings in his game kinda ruined him. He still seemed to have the physical tools, but looked lost when he was thrown in against live ammo.

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you guys that try and hammer your point are quite amusing.

Flynn is simply a backup. What else needs to be said?

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Here's a simple way of looking at it...

If you are on the side that Flynn is a no brainer good starting caliber QB, then we should be seeing great offers in the near future (ie 1st to 3rd rounder). If somebody offered GB a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Flynn, how many of you really think they would turn that down, knowing they could acquire a cheap, starting caliber player with that capital? Honest question.

If you are on the side that Flynn is god awful, then why would JS pay good money to acquire him in FA? Yes, he let him walk without an offer, but ultimately paid the man. If he was terrible, why would any GM cough up $ for him? Why is he still in the league?

So, I'm going out on a limb and saying that reality is probably right in the middle of this debate. That being, Flynn has been a good backup QB, with pretty underwhelming physical skills (I didn't say bad) by starting QB standards, who probably has the ceiling of a low end starting QB. Does this make him terrible? No. Does this make him the GOAT? No.

So, really the question is, how do you think other teams view Flynn? I think if some of you take the time to look at what the Chiefs are looking at, you might get a more grounded version of what Flynn truly is. This time last year, would you want to give GB a 2nd rounder for Flynn? My honest answer is no. I wouldn't mind taking a shot with a 5th rounder.

I think you mean career backup?

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The NFL is a copycat league, and if there is one thing that defined the 2012 season, it was the emergence of the mobile QB and the validation of the read option in the NFL. While I think most NFL GMs are probably smart enough to know that QBs like Russell Wilson are very rare, QBs like Colin Kaepernick are not. Finding QBs with tools but not skills isn't hard to do, and SF is proving that such a player can lead a potent NFL offense, even without top shelf WRs.

I see a lot of owners/GMs watching that at home and thinking "why the hell aren't we doing that?" I expect a pretty huge shift in that direction starting immediately this offseason, and though EJ Manuel might have mid round draft grades, will it shock anyone when a team trades up in round 2 to reach for him extra hard? It won't surprise me. This whole situation pretty much sucks the wind out of Matt Flynn's sails. There might be some teams that like Flynn as a backup, which explains the "wait til he's released" logic. Flynn has his fans, just none big enough to pay him starter money or hand him a starting job.


THAT's RIGHT!

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See I'm not on either side of that fence. I see things from Flynn that are traits of a good QB and I think given the right environment he might be a good QB but I also acknowledge that we don't really know how he will be long term. When I say long term I think of guys like Tony Romo. They show all the right things and have some amazing highlight reels but they also are erratic and seem to lack that killer leader instinct that motivates their team mates and push's the team over the top.

My problem with these conversations is you have the same guys that before preseason were saying Flynn was slow and couldn't scramble, had a noodle arm and couldn't throw deep, is a career backup, he was a 7th round pick for a reason on and on. You get the idea. Once the bullets started flying in preseason and you seen Flynn scramble out of the pocket with good speed and throw a beautiful 50+ yard strike to TO that TO promptly dropped and sprayed the ball all over the field even though he didn't compile much in the stats category thanks in large part to the supporting cast those guys quickly changed their tune about his weakness's and instead of saying, hey I guess he doesn't have a noodle arm or wow he actually does have some speed and pocket presence, they just reverted back to he only has two starts and his supporting cast in GB did all the work he shouldn't get credit for any of that.

It's kind of sickening. He may very well not have the leadership skills that Wilson possesses and he may become erratic from game to game and those are the things that are still a question for anyone. His resume is short but impressive but it doesn't give the whole answer and that won't come out until he actually is a full time starter but to just write him off as a scrub when he has so far shown zero reason to believe he is, to me is ridiculous and deserves to be called out for the rubbish it is.

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I have no idea whether Matt Flynn will BE a good starting QB in this league.

But I will say that he has definitely shown POTENTIAL to be a good starting QB.

Just looking back on that game he played against Detroit: 480 passing yards, 6 TDs.

Those are freaking videogame numbers. People might say he was very lucky, but at the professional level of football, nobody gets THAT lucky.

People might say his success that game was due to him being on a stacked team. Sure the Packers were the #1 seed that season, but I think that was more on Aaron Rodgers than the team being stacked.

Sure, the Packers have a lot of great depth to the WR group, but it's not anything near what a team like the Falcons have. And Matt Ryan hasn't exploded for that much production having Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez to throw to, has he? Much less playing outdoors, in the snow?

It's not like the Packers run game or defense did Flynn any favors in that game, they both disappeared.

He fought and made a very good case that he can be a productive starting QB. Whether he does or not depends on whether he'll be given the chance to start, and whether he can replicate that on the field.

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Hands up if you've written off Matt Flynn as a scrub?

Anyone?

Hang on.... why can't I see any hands?

Funny that, I thought we were going to see such a movement of arms raising from waist height to the ceiling... potentially on such a scale that it leads to a seismic shift provoking a devastating earthquake across the Pacific Northwest.

I guess we don't need 'RichnHansom' (aka LivesinmothersbasementNlookslikeTerryBradshaw) to call out the masses for their 'sickening', beastly viewpoints.

Eh, I've written him off as a scrub.

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You sicken me.

In a perfect world, nobody would have to know the names of any back-ups but Atlanta's is Luke (warm) McCown. Imagine if McCown had to come in for Ryan. They'd become the Cleveland Browns before our very eyes.

And yes, If RW were injured, I'd give Flynn a much better chance of preventing us from becoming the Browns than I would Portis, Robinson or even Golden Tate.

I think we have a pro-bowl QB as well as a very good QB on our roster. It's a luxury few teams have. Last year we would have given anything for 1 decent QB, now we have two.....and that also apparently makes people unhappy.

Matt Flynn could be the next Ken O'Brien or the next Bernie Kosar, but he could also be the next Wade Wilson or Jay Schroeder so it's really hard to say for sure what he's worth.

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Zeb, you shoehorning your 4 favorite QB's of all-time into every conversation gets old.

Eric Hipple, Joe Ferguson, Bubby Brister and Richard Todd.

Nuff said, pehawk wins.

Brister's up there. If Matt Flynn could be Bubby Brister I'd by happy.

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Joe Ferguson had a pretty good career in the NFL

College: Arkansas
NFL Draft: 1973 / Round: 3 / Pick: 57
Debuted in 1973 for the Buffalo Bills
Last played in 1990 for the Indianapolis Colts
Career history
Buffalo Bills (1973-1984)
Detroit Lions (1985-1987)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1988-1989)
Indianapolis Colts (1990)
San Antonio Texans (1995)

Career NFL statistics
TD-INT 196-209
Yards 29,817
QB Rating 68.4

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Funny because I think I see both your hands up.

Correct me if I am wrong but you were the first to say he was a seventh round pick for a reason and didn't you say you would bet your house the Seahawks have no interest in Flynn?

You've been banging the scrub rum as loud as anyone and way louder than most. Trying to push off your imagination on me is pretty funny.

I think my calling out the masses might have hit a little close to home for you. Do you live in your mothers basement? I don't think my wife of 29 years would still be with me if I did. Sorry to tell ya.

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You're my new favorite poster, I think.

I think Flynn is likely one of the better backup QBs available, and that he would make a decent though uninspiring starting QB for some team. I think he would be about on par with Alex Smith, though with less experience (which is why I decided to respond to the Alex Smith red zone comment with some evidence for Flynn in the red zone). I see the two as not all that different as far as talent level goes.

That doesn't mean he's horrible, but he's probably not worth what he and Alex Smith are getting paid, and he's definitely not worth it if he's just going to hold a clipboard for us. So I think it makes sense to move him if the team can get something out of it (and the prospect of getting a mid-round pick and freeing up a few million in cap room is definitely something).

That said, I see the absolute most we could get for him as being a 2nd round pick. Yes, teams have paid more for unproven guys they hope to turn to starters, but the fact of the matter is that the track record for FA/traded QBs like that isn't stellar. For every Hasselbeck, there's a Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Jay Fiedler, and Rob Johnson (or even Charlie Whitehurst). That is going to come into play when a QB-needy team starts saying, "Okay, who can we get and how much are we willing to spend?" The only reason I think a 2nd round pick is even within the realm of possibility is because sometimes, GMs are desperate.

I think it's almost a lock that Matt Flynn will be playing for someone else in 2013 (at least I hope he's playing and not just holding a clipboard in different colors). I think it's incredibly likely that the Seahawks will get some trade value for him, so he won't be cut. I also think it's very likely that the trade value will be in the high 4th to high 5th range (maybe even something conditional where if he plays X% of snaps, the pick goes from a 4th to a 3rd or something like that).

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Do we really need to trade Flynn this offseason? Is it possible to trade him during next season after he gets a chance to show more of his stuff during preseason?

If Flynn makes a good showing in the preseason, maybe he becomes more attractive to a team that is just a decent QB away from the postseason, e.g. the Jets, Chiefs, Eagles. I think the calculus for a Matt Flynn trade will change significantly after teams realize that 1) we will not cut Flynn and 2) their other QB options fall through, e.g. they lose all hope in their rookie or FA QB

Does anybody know how the cap numbers work out if he is traded during next season?

Name one QB who wears a helmet that looks like it's 2 sizes too big that has ever won a SB. And don't say Dilfer, his helmet was fine. He just has beady eyes.

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I see your Dilfer, and raise you a Rypien.

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Give me some damn skittles...

Well done. Still not quite as epic though, IMO.

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Does he keep a sandwich under there?

There's enough room.

Bagel. With veggies.

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