scutterhawk wrote:

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

CrimsonWazzu wrote:He's not grossly overpaid for what he is...a starting caliber NFL QB.

The guy has two starts in his career. We have no idea if he's a starting calibre NFL QB.

Apparently John Schneider believes he's "a starting calibre NFL QB". Or is he also full of it?

DavidSeven wrote:Am I crazy to think Flynn has more upside than Alex Smith? Obviously, Smith has proven he can thrive in a perfect situation, but what are his game-manaing ways going to do for teams like Kansas City or Jacksonville?

scutterhawk wrote:Apparently John Schneider believes he's "a starting calibre NFL QB". Or is he also full of it?

Scottemojo wrote:

DavidSeven wrote:Am I crazy to think Flynn has more upside than Alex Smith? Obviously, Smith has proven he can thrive in a perfect situation, but what are his game-manaing ways going to do for teams like Kansas City or Jacksonville?

No, not crazy. Alex has always been a terrible red zone QB.

seedhawk wrote:Another point. Right now the cap is flat, but it will go up in the future, and the teams" WILL" spend basically 90% of their free/cap money every year. Rollover in that instance just guarantees you wind up spending more.
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seahawks08 wrote:I have a theory about Matt Flynn. I think Dallas will pick him up to compete with Tony Romo and he will win that job. I think there is pressure in Dallas and they are finally figuring out that Romo is an interception machine, I think Jerry Jones is going to do something about it and he may do something crazy that none of us would ever imagine. No, i did not read it anywhere, it is something I came to conclusion based on situations.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote: He might be wrong on this one. But he could be right. I'm prepared for any scenario when it comes to Flynn's future. I suspect some people aren't, and they might be in for a surprise.

CrimsonWazzu wrote:He's not grossly overpaid for what he is...a starting caliber NFL QB.

The guy has two starts in his career. We have no idea if he's a starting calibre NFL QB.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:Apparently John Schneider believes he's "a starting calibre NFL QB". Or is he also full of it?

Well in that case he also believed Charlie Whitehurst was a starting calibre QB.

JS is a fantastic GM, but he's not invincible.

volsunghawk wrote:

Scottemojo wrote:

DavidSeven wrote:Am I crazy to think Flynn has more upside than Alex Smith? Obviously, Smith has proven he can thrive in a perfect situation, but what are his game-manaing ways going to do for teams like Kansas City or Jacksonville?

No, not crazy. Alex has always been a terrible red zone QB.

In the three games where Flynn played significant snaps prior to signing with Seattle, he was... not great. Then again, there's not a lot of evidence, really.

Against the Lions in 2010 when he took over for Rodgers mid-game, he had only one trip to the red zone:

2 plays, 2 attempts, 0 completions, 1 INT

This isn't to surprising considering he was stepping in mid game. It's not like he game planned all week.

Against the Patriots in 2010, when he was the starter, he had 5 trips into the red zone:

18 plays, 5 runs, 2 sacks (one where he fumbled the ball away to end the game), 11 attempts, 5 completions, 2 TDs

This stat is a little misleading. Tom Brady threw for 158 yards and 1 TD in that same game. The weather was horrific. Raining and snowing with heavy wind gusts that effected both QB's and of the two Flynn looked like the better QB and didn't benefit from one of his O-lineman running back a kick off for a TD. Yep, an O-lineman. Flynn did throw a pick and it was a bad one but there were IIRC 6 missed tackles on the return and they were horrid missed tackles the variety of which players get released over. If NE doesn't get either one of the pick 6 or the O-lineman (fricken O-lineman) TD's Flynn is 2-0 in his two starts. It should also be mentioned that Flynn threw the ball 66 times completing 40 of them. How often do you ask your backup to come in in horrible weather and ask him to throw the ball 66 times?

Against the Lions in 2011, when he was the starter, he had 3 trips into the end zone:

10 plays, 2 runs, 8 attempts, 5 completions, 2 TDs

This is kind of a funny one. If you listen to the "he sucks' crowd, all Flynn did was take the snap and throw the ball and the best receiving core to ever grace the NFL field did the rest. It ignores what Flynn really did in that game including repeat come from behind leads against an opposing QB who threw for over 500 yards in a game with playoff seeding implications for the opponent only and Flynn was without multiple key starters including Jennings playing for a team that had nothing to gain from a win.

If you watched the game honestly you would see how the YAC was possible. It was due to leading his receivers and throwing them open. He wasn't waiting for the receiver to plant like we watched Jackson do all last year, he threw the ball to were the receiver could make the catch with the least interference from DB's and with the most ability to run after the catch. GB has a great receiver group even without Jennings but they aren't so good they can just break every tackle and mow through opponents. They need to ball to be placed where they can catch it in stride or your YAC is meaningless. Even with that said only two of Flynn's 5 TD's were attributed to long runs after the catch and both were because of a perfect throw that enabled the run not despite it.



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While there is clear evidence that Flynn's play in the red zone improved with each opportunity to start, I wouldn't yet call red zone play a "strength." I'd still consider it an unknown. What is clear is that at least in the famous 480/6 game, Flynn benefited a lot from the big play. For a team to score 45 points offensively and yet only reach the red zone 3 times in a game is pretty incredible.

This is the beauty of only having a small sample size. You can actually go back and watch each play and evaluate them individually. Stats are nice but they don't tell the whole story. You can assume alot of things but the real eyeball test is seeing what actually happened and not what the stats were. They can be very misleading. I mean after the NE game no one was saying Flynn was a better QB than Brady though that day he clearly was.

I don't have the time to track each of Smith's plays in the red zone right now. Maybe I'll investigate that this evening.

Largent80 wrote::lol: you guys that try and hammer your point are quite amusing.

Flynn is simply a backup. What else needs to be said?

Mtjhoyas wrote:Here's a simple way of looking at it...

If you are on the side that Flynn is a no brainer good starting caliber QB, then we should be seeing great offers in the near future (ie 1st to 3rd rounder). If somebody offered GB a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Flynn, how many of you really think they would turn that down, knowing they could acquire a cheap, starting caliber player with that capital? Honest question.

If you are on the side that Flynn is god awful, then why would JS pay good money to acquire him in FA? Yes, he let him walk without an offer, but ultimately paid the man. If he was terrible, why would any GM cough up $ for him? Why is he still in the league?

So, I'm going out on a limb and saying that reality is probably right in the middle of this debate. That being, Flynn has been a good backup QB, with pretty underwhelming physical skills (I didn't say bad) by starting QB standards, who probably has the ceiling of a low end starting QB. Does this make him terrible? No. Does this make him the GOAT? No.

So, really the question is, how do you think other teams view Flynn? I think if some of you take the time to look at what the Chiefs are looking at, you might get a more grounded version of what Flynn truly is. This time last year, would you want to give GB a 2nd rounder for Flynn? My honest answer is no. I wouldn't mind taking a shot with a 5th rounder.

MontanaHawk05 wrote:Eh, I've written him off as a scrub.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

HawkWow wrote:I won't lose sight of the fact that we are never more than 1 play away from being the Cleveland Browns.

And Flynn stops us being the Browns?

I don't even know who Atlanta's back-up is for Matt Ryan.

Zebulon Dak wrote:Matt Flynn could be the next Ken O'Brien or the next Bernie Kosar, but he could also be the next Wade Wilson or Jay Schroeder so it's really hard to say for sure what he's worth.

pehawk wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:Matt Flynn could be the next Ken O'Brien or the next Bernie Kosar, but he could also be the next Wade Wilson or Jay Schroeder so it's really hard to say for sure what he's worth.

Zeb, you shoehorning your 4 favorite QB's of all-time into every conversation gets old.

Eric Hipple, Joe Ferguson, Bubby Brister and Richard Todd.

Nuff said, pehawk wins.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Hands up if you've written off Matt Flynn as a scrub?

Anyone?

Hang on.... why can't I see any hands?

Funny that, I thought we were going to see such a movement of arms raising from waist height to the ceiling... potentially on such a scale that it leads to a seismic shift provoking a devastating earthquake across the Pacific Northwest.

I guess we don't need 'RichnHansom' (aka LivesinmothersbasementNlookslikeTerryBradshaw) to call out the masses for their 'sickening', beastly viewpoints.

Mtjhoyas wrote:So, I'm going out on a limb and saying that reality is probably right in the middle of this debate. That being, Flynn has been a good backup QB, with pretty underwhelming physical skills (I didn't say bad) by starting QB standards, who probably has the ceiling of a low end starting QB. Does this make him terrible? No. Does this make him the GOAT? No.

So, really the question is, how do you think other teams view Flynn? I think if some of you take the time to look at what the Chiefs are looking at, you might get a more grounded version of what Flynn truly is. This time last year, would you want to give GB a 2nd rounder for Flynn? My honest answer is no. I wouldn't mind taking a shot with a 5th rounder.

Zebulon Dak wrote:Name one QB who wears a helmet that looks like it's 2 sizes too big that has ever won a SB. And don't say Dilfer, his helmet was fine. He just has beady eyes.

Zebulon Dak wrote:Name one QB who wears a helmet that looks like it's 2 sizes too big that has ever won a SB. And don't say Dilfer, his helmet was fine. He just has beady eyes.

Zebulon Dak wrote:Name one QB who wears a helmet that looks like it's 2 sizes too big that has ever won a SB. And don't say Dilfer, his helmet was fine. He just has beady eyes.