bestfightstory wrote: volsunghawk wrote:
Sgt. Largent wrote:He also had over twice as many tackles and almost twice as many sacks.
Irvin certainly has Smith type potential, but it might take til year 4 or 5 for that to happen. Smith was a much more polished DE coming out of Missouri, even as young as he was.......which is pretty scary.
Point is, he was still a part-timer. He developed. No, Irvin isn't on his level yet - and may never be - but the way SF has brought Smith along suggests that a part-time player who was identified as a pass rush specialist can develop into an every down player and expand his repertoire.
There are some folks in this thread who seem unwilling to give that same opportunity for development to Irvin, instead calling him a disappointment or bust or whatever right after he set a Seahawks rookie record for sacks. I wonder if some of these folks are the same ones who were prepared to declare Russell Okung a bust and made of glass after his rookie season, or who decided Max Unger was useless after his first year.
Or James Carpenter. Or Koren Robinson. Or Chris McIntosh. Or Owen Gill.
(Don't get mad at me, bro. Remember, I picked #2.)
I wouldn't put Irvin in Either of those player groupings.
I wouldn't, either, honestly, because it's far too early to determine, imo.
We hear all the time about "the rookie wall" or about it taking time for rookies to adjust to the speed of the NFL, or to develop the body mass necessary to really excel. So if a rookie struggles to make a significant impact - even if they're a 1st rounder - I tend to see that more as something not really surprising, but par for the course. It's awesome when we find a rookie who shines rather than struggles, but usually they do a bit of both. And Irvin did have moments where he shined this year, just like he had moments where he struggled.
In the end, I just don't think you can accurately predict whether a player is a scrub or a star in just their first year unless you're dealing with a clear outlier (like Wilson). I think each player needs time with the team for development, both physically and in his understanding of the scheme, to really find out what we have in him.