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 Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn is the new defensive coordinator
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This is a fantastic hire ... not only because he's been here before, but also in terms of what he did at Florida in the 2 years he was Defensive Coordinator there. Just a few numbers from this past year ...

The 2012 Gators were ...

5th Best in terms of Fewest Points/Game Allowed (14.46 Pts/Game)
5th Best in terms of Total Yards/Allowed per Game (287.46)
4th Best in terms of Rush Defense (94.92 Rushing Yards/Game)
10th Best in terms of 3rd Down Conversion Percentage (31.02%)
13th Best in terms of Red Zone Scoring Percentage

The Gators were one of the Top defenses in the NCAA both of the years he was D-Coordinator. Good stuff.


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Love this move, now hopefully Bevell stays and we can focus on FA and the draft


Yeah, as thrilled as I am about the Dan Quinn signing, I really don't want to see Bevell go anywhere. I think the continuity in the coaching staff next year will be important for the offense and for Wilson.

Is Bevell even in play anywhere now that Trestman is in Chicago?


Arizona might be the last possibility. I think everywhere else has their coach now. I can definitely see Arizona making a big play for Roman after the SF season ends, though. That's what I'd do if I were them. Weaken your opponent to strengthen yourself. (Same goes for Seattle, too, but Roman's a hotter commodity, IMO.)

Edit: Jay Gruden is another Arizona suitor.

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Strengthening the Seahawks and hurting the Florida Gators! This has got to be my favorite transaction we have ever made. This! This makes up for giving up the rights to Tony Dorsett for me.

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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

FO.com had Florida rated the #3 overall defense in the country.


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In my ideal scenario they would have promoted from within, but I trust in PC/JS. This has to be a blow to some of Pete's defensive underlings that were certainly hoping for a promotion to that DC slot. Hopefully it doesn't sour any of them on the hawks' pipeline system.

Regardless, I have high hopes for Quinn's abilities and feel it's a quality hire based solely on the merits of Quinn himself.


Why would it faze the other guys? They worked with Quinn in 2011 (fulfilling the promote from within, albeit a year late) and they saw what he did at Florida as DC. I bet they're stoked to get him back. I know I am. (And I'm pretty astonished that it happened so soon, actually.)


Nobody in house was qualified to be promoted to DC. Rocky Seto? Kris Richard? Please... Probably the only one even qualified was Todd Wash, but with the state of the D-line last year I don't think he deserved it. Nope, Dan is the absolute best choice for DC and I could give a rip if the other guys are butthurt. Just pushes them to do better so they get the job if/when Dan gets his own HC opportunity.


These are all good points, maybe I'm just a little touchy following what I regard as the "Gus Bradley Fiasco." I have always liked Gus in both a personal and professional capacity and don't want to condemn him for leaving the Hawks, but I'm not sure what to make of a coordinator interviewing for HC spots the day(s) leading up to a playoff game. I can't say ALL these guys are out for themselves first and foremost, regarding any role other than HC as a stepping stone, but I'm not sure I can categorize Bradley's acceptance of the Jacksonville HC job after being spurned by Philly as anything but that. I don't like how the situation was handled.

Based on the merits of the individuals, I agree that Quinn is the best choice. Just sayin' that in an IDEAL scenario we would have promoted from within in order to maximize both the abilities of the defense and the reputation of the organization. I will say that the prospect of Ken Norton Jr. or Kris Richard being made DC AND calling the plays would have me extremely nervous. Just wondering how long those guys will be happy being positon coaches. The lifetime position coaches I can name are predominately on the OL, but that doesn't mean they can't be found at other spots, I just can't name any.

I'll will say that I think Bradley is set up to fail in Jacksonville. The GM was put in place first, who then brought in Gus. Borrowing from the Big Tuna: the new GM is buying the ingredients while Gus is expected to cook the dinner. All this is being done against the backdrop of what appears to be a meddling owner. We will know for sure once the Tebow situation plays out. I don't like the move for Gus and I don't think it will end well. For Gus' sake I hope I'm wrong.

Anyway, enough of my pedantic rantings. I'm excited by Quinn's hiring!

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Strengthening the Seahawks and hurting the Florida Gators! This has got to be my favorite transaction we have ever made. This! This makes up for giving up the rights to Tony Dorsett for me.

What's your beef with Florida?


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 Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn is the new defensive coordinator
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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.


Not sure that's a real good way to assess how good a defensive coordinator is doing. There could be a lot of mitigating factors for that. For that matter, his stats at Florida really don't mean much either - it's college and a totally different pool of players.

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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.


Not sure that's a real good way to assess how good a defensive coordinator is doing. There could be a lot of mitigating factors for that.


Totally fair. I just like FO.com, and tend to trust they can give me a general answer. I'm trying to reconcile in my mind if this is a net plus or net negative.


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I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.


Almost irrelevant. The telling stat is how many forced fumbles there were, regardless of who recovered.

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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Maybe most of the stats, because that's what he said.

They had 10 fumble recoveries and 20 picks. They were actually top 5 in a lot of categories. You're really going to cherry pick one category and classify it as cause for concern?

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it's like Pete knew they were getting rid of him either way and had Dan Quinn anyway.
I would love to see lovie smith but he will probably keep looking for a head coach job.

yea the speed of this does make you wonder if Bradley was leaving whether he got another job or not? and fwiw Lovey said yesterday that he would not go back to being a coordinator.

I mentioned this elsewhere on the boards yesterday. Pete promises his guys he will do what he can to help them get their dream job. At USC he would even conduct mock interviews to help them prepare.

As part of that, Pete also plans ahead so that if a guy does leave, Pete will have some options available to fill the spot.

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I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire. It was under Quinn that the Red Bryant experiment launched, and I personally don't ever see Bryant creating pass rush, even after he heals. He's just not that kind of player.

Florida's defense may have put up gaudy stats last year's. But so did Seattle's, and the result was that Seattle rode a razor-thin line between victory and defeat all season until the die finally tipped wrong against Atlanta because of lack of pass rush.

So I'll withhold judgment. Could be good, could be more meh. It's still Pete's defense, after all. Maybe he'll coach up Irvin well.

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I do recall reading that Norton Jr. doesn't want to be a DC any time soon and that he's happy being a LB coach.

I think that paired with the fact Dan Quinn clearly DID want to be a defensive coordinator made this move pretty easy.

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I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire


I don't think they intend to use Dan Quinn as a pass rusher.

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I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire. It was under Quinn that the Red Bryant experiment launched, and I personally don't ever see Bryant creating pass rush, even after he heals. He's just not that kind of player..


You're right, which is why they take Red out and put Irvin in during passing downs.

Bryant is a run stuffer, and one of the best in the league at setting the edge and allowing our LB's and safeties to make tackles near the line.

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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.


Fumble recoveries are notoriously random occurrences. Forced fumbles is a much more important stat for a D.

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Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043


I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Watch the South Carolina game. How does a team win 44-11 with only 183 total yards on offense. They forced a lot of fumbles, I will say a lot of them on special teams where like Seattle, Florida played a lot of their defensive starters on kick and punt coverage. It was ridiculous how many balls they would rip or punch out. They did miss tackles at time, because they were always going for the strip.


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Dan Quinn has two season of evaluating and watching film in the SEC. And two seasons of sitting in 18 year old kids living rooms while recruiting.

I really like that. that could pay dividends over the next several years.

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Dan Quinn has two season of evaluating and watching film in the SEC. And two seasons of sitting in 18 year old kids living rooms while recruiting.

I really like that. that could pay dividends over the next several years.


+1 great point.

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Love this move, now hopefully Bevell stays and we can focus on FA and the draft


Yeah, as thrilled as I am about the Dan Quinn signing, I really don't want to see Bevell go anywhere. I think the continuity in the coaching staff next year will be important for the offense and for Wilson.

Is Bevell even in play anywhere now that Trestman is in Chicago?


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If he hangs around a couple years - this could pay serious dividends.

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If he hangs around a couple years - this could pay serious dividends.


Yeah, hopefully he's not here just one year then leaves for head coach....


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I think this is an excellent move for continuity and he has done a fine job


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Florida (Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Line)

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Seattle Seahawks (Defensive Line)

2007-08

New York Jets (Defensive Line)

2005-06

Miami Dolphins (Defensive Line)

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San Francisco 49ers (Defensive Line)

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San Francisco 49ers (Defensive Quality Control)

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Hofstra (Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Line)

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Hofstra (Defensive Line)

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Virginia Military Institute (Defensive Line)

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William & Mary (Defensive Line)



Coaching Accomplishments

Has 18 years of coaching experience, including 10 seasons in the NFL and eight as an NFL defensive line coach.
In 2011, led a Gator defense that ranked eighth nationally in total defense (299.5 yards per game), seventh in passing defense (166.8 yards per game) and second in third-down defense (27.12 percent).
Prior to his first season in Gainesville, Quinn spent the 2009 and 2010 seasons with the Seattle Seahawks as defensive line coach and has spent eight NFL seasons as a defensive line coach, including stints with the New York Jets (2007-08), Miami Dolphins (2005-06) and San Francisco 49ers (2003-04). He began his NFL career as a defensive quality control coach for the 49ers from 2001-02 before being promoted to defensive line coach.
Helped four different players reach double-digits in sacks in a single season.
Seven of his 10 seasons in the NFL saw opponents average less than one rushing touchdown per game, including three seasons of 10 or less total.
In 2010, the Seattle Seahawks finished third in the NFC in red zone touchdown defense, allowing just 46.2 percent.
Coached Chris Clemons to a career-high 11 sacks in 2010 in Clemons’ first season as a full-time starter, including four multi-sack games, while Raheem Brock tallied nine sacks.
Helped the Seahawks to the 2010 NFC West crown and knocked off the defending Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints in the opening round of the playoffs.
Quinn’s 2008 Jets defense ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per carry (3.7), seventh in sacks (41) and ninth in rushing yards per game (94.9). The Jets were also sixth in the AFC in yards per play (5.2) and third-down efficiency (.386).
The 2006 Dolphins totaled 47 sacks, third in the NFL. That season, Jason Taylor finished fourth in the NFL with 13.5 sacks under Quinn’s guidance.
Quinn’s 2006 Miami team also ranked third in the NFL in yards per play (4.6), fourth in total defense (289.1) and fifth in rushing yards per attempt (3.5).
In 2005, Quinn helped the Dolphins rank first in the AFC and second in the NFL with 49 sacks. Miami also finished third in the AFC in yards per play (4.7) and fourth in yards per carry (3.7).
The 49ers ranked fifth in the NFC in 2004 with 4.0 yards per carry allowed.
As a defensive assistant with San Francisco in 2002, linebacker Andre Carter tied for fourth in the NFL with 12.5 sacks.
Quinn began his coaching career as defensive line coach with William & Mary in 1994, followed by a season with the Virginia Military Institute in 1995. He held the same position with Hofstra for four seasons before being promoted to defensive coordinator in 2000.
He and his wife, Stacey, established the Quinn’s Corps Program in 2004 to help children and families in need.


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SEATTLE SEAHAWKS:

DE CHRIS CLEMONS – Recorded a career-high 11.0 sacks in 2010 which tied him for 10th in the NFL, along with 49 tackles (33 solo) and one forced fumble in the most productive season of his career.
DE PATRICK KERNEY – Coached the two-time Pro Bowler in the last season of his 11-year career, as Kerney played 15 games and picked up five sacks.
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DE SHAUN ELLIS – Collected 60 tackles in 2008—the 10th most by a defensive lineman in the NFL—and was tied for 17th in sacks with 8.0. In his career, he has totaled 499 tackles, 72.5 sacks and has forced 12 fumbles.
DT KRIS JENKINS – Earned 2008 Pro Bowl honors, the fourth time in his career he received the recognition and second-team AP All-Pro accolades after posting 53 tackles and 3.5 sacks. Also won his first career AFC Defensive Player of the Week award with 1.5 sacks, three hurries and three tackles in the Nov. 2 win over Buffalo.
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DE KEVIN CARTER – Played both of his seasons with Miami under Quinn, starting all 32 games and tallying 99 tackles, 11.5 sacks, four passes defensed, three fumble recoveries and a forced fumble during that time.
DE JASON TAYLOR – During Quinn’s two-year tenure with Miami, Taylor ranked third in the NFL with 25.5 sacks, led the league in forced fumbles with 13, and scored three defensive touchdowns (two interception returns, one fumble return) en route to earning Pro Bowl berths in 2005 and 2006 and the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 2006.
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DT BRYANT YOUNG – Made the final two Pro Bowls of his career under the tutelage of Quinn in the 2001 and 2002 seasons.
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Quinn was a four-year letterwinner and two-time co-captain at Salisbury (Md.) State as a defensive lineman, where he recorded 139 tackles and eight tackles for loss. He also lettered in track and held the school record in the hammer throw at the time of his departure. Salisbury State inducted Quinn into its Athletic Hall of Fame in 2005.

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Hometown: Morristown, N.J.
Education: 1994 – Bachelor’s Degree from Salisbury State
Family: Married to Stacey
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2001: Wild Card (San Francisco)
2002: Divisional Round (San Francisco)
2010: Divisional Round (Seattle)
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1997: FCS Championship – First Round (Hofstra)
1999: FCS Championship – Quarterfinals (Hofstra)
2000: FCS Championship – Quarterfinals (Hofstra)
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You're right, which is why they take Red out and put Irvin in during passing downs.


I don't like our line being dependent on rotation like that. It telegraphs our intentions when we sub Red out, and most teams are perfectly capable of (and did a lot of) passing when Red was in there. It's also a weak situation against any kind of option play.

We really just need some well-rounded studs along the D-line like Mebane, but I realize those don't grow on trees. I figure the specialization is just a stopgap measure until we do find some, or at least I hope so.

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I like this move, least amount of potential harm by going with Dan. My only concern is that now Gus is gonna try and poach a bunch of assistant coaches from our staff like Richards.

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You're right, which is why they take Red out and put Irvin in during passing downs.


I don't like our line being dependent on rotation like that. It telegraphs our intentions when we sub Red out, and most teams are perfectly capable of (and did a lot of) passing when Red was in there. It's also a weak situation against any kind of option play.

We really just need some well-rounded studs along the D-line like Mebane, but I realize those don't grow on trees. I figure the specialization is just a stopgap measure until we do find some, or at least I hope so.


I actually disagree. Defensive line is the one group on the field where staying fresh is more important than continuity. The truth is - putting a fresh player in to rush the passer against a gassed offensive lineman who was just wrestling a bear like Bryant puts us in an advantageous position. Moreover, when that player is significantly different and has a superior rushing skill set - it really tests the ability of the offensive linemen. Having 9-10 defensive linemen also give us great flexibility to plan for different offenses.

I would also welcome more draws on 3rd and 9 to try and beat our smaller, but faster, defensive line. Of course no one would do that so the match-up point is fairly moot.

I think that our biggest issue was collapsing the pocket regularly on passing downs. Mebane gets worn down and Jones was injured. Other than those two our depth was sorely lacking with regards to inside rush. also, I wish that Wright would be more of a factor in the pass rush.

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I actually disagree. Defensive line is the one group on the field where staying fresh is more important than continuity. The truth is - putting a fresh player in to rush the passer against a gassed offensive lineman who was just wrestling a bear like Bryant puts us in an advantageous position. Moreover, when that player is significantly different and has a superior rushing skill set - it really tests the ability of the offensive linemen. Having 9-10 defensive linemen also give us great flexibility to plan for different offenses.

I would also welcome more draws on 3rd and 9 to try and beat our smaller, but faster, defensive line. Of course no one would do that so the match-up point is fairly moot.

I think that our biggest issue was collapsing the pocket regularly on passing downs. Mebane gets worn down and Jones was injured. Other than those two our depth was sorely lacking with regards to inside rush. also, I wish that Wright would be more of a factor in the pass rush.


Rotation to keep fresh is different than rotation to scream "we're rushing the passer and can't do anything but stop the run from this formation". I think your ideas are sound in theory, but they sure didn't happen on the field. No offensive tackle this year looked particularly tested by Irvin once they figured him out. Our pass rush was stonewalled often even when Jason Jones was in. He isn't the answer. I hoped he was, but I was wrong.

If I'm an OC against Seattle, this D-line is easy on 3rd downs. I draw up plays in space or option plays to exploit Red's slowness (I shudder to think how that first game would have gone against a healthy RG3, he'd have sprinted to the right all day). I audible to some on 3rd-and-short when I see Irvin coming in. I run more vertical routes with Red in, because the QB will have time. I don't even worry about LB's in coverage, nor do I have to worry about leaving my RB's in to pass-protect against Irvin - if I have reliable receivers, and I will in the playoffs, then I'll be fine as long as my QB is still standing.

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Hopefully Quinn won't be the type to plan interviews the day before playoff games.


Yeah... I bet that 90 minutes spent with the Eagles talking casually before the game was a real killer.

People need to get over this. SUCH a none issue.


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Why I always wondered why we didn't go with Johnson more in the secondary and slip Red inside and have Hill pass rush. He's good at it or was, one of the attributes he had when he came here, if not him Wright or someone . Being able to move him inside outside occationally with a extra DB and Kam moving to a LB roll would make us less predictable as far as personnel and alignments.

I know Red was less effective inside his rookie year, but that was with Mora and he was injured as well. On a occtional down situation where he just has to push or minimally take up space and blockers I would think that would be a easy task for him.

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Great hire. He's familiar with Pete and wanted to come back!

I think one of the main reasons he left was to be a coordinator...

I think this will make for a smooth transition.


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One of the reason I love this hire is with his exposure to the read option in college. He has experience on how to defend it and based on his record, it seems like he did a good job. I was freaking out when I heard names like Lovie, Rob Ryan and Marinelli. They're great coaches, don't get me wrong, but they are so arrogant in their approaches it leaves no room for adjustments. When the Bears faced SF with Krapernick, they had no answer to the read option and didn't make adjustments. When the Hawks began running the read option in 4th quarter, they again didn't make the adjustments. With the same token, look at Capers in GB. Absolutely murdered by SF. These guys were great coordinators, but it's a young man's league now. They are so dead set in their approach that it is putting their team's at a disadvantage. Atleast Quinn isn't that. Which is why I'm so pumped that he's our new DC rather than the old farts that are available.

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I actually disagree. Defensive line is the one group on the field where staying fresh is more important than continuity. The truth is - putting a fresh player in to rush the passer against a gassed offensive lineman who was just wrestling a bear like Bryant puts us in an advantageous position. Moreover, when that player is significantly different and has a superior rushing skill set - it really tests the ability of the offensive linemen. Having 9-10 defensive linemen also give us great flexibility to plan for different offenses.

I would also welcome more draws on 3rd and 9 to try and beat our smaller, but faster, defensive line. Of course no one would do that so the match-up point is fairly moot.

I think that our biggest issue was collapsing the pocket regularly on passing downs. Mebane gets worn down and Jones was injured. Other than those two our depth was sorely lacking with regards to inside rush. also, I wish that Wright would be more of a factor in the pass rush.


Rotation to keep fresh is different than rotation to scream "we're rushing the passer and can't do anything but stop the run from this formation". I think your ideas are sound in theory, but they sure didn't happen on the field. No offensive tackle this year looked particularly tested by Irvin once they figured him out. Our pass rush was stonewalled often even when Jason Jones was in. He isn't the answer. I hoped he was, but I was wrong.

If I'm an OC against Seattle, this D-line is easy on 3rd downs. I draw up plays in space or option plays to exploit Red's slowness (I shudder to think how that first game would have gone against a healthy RG3, he'd have sprinted to the right all day). I audible to some on 3rd-and-short when I see Irvin coming in. I run more vertical routes with Red in, because the QB will have time. I don't even worry about LB's in coverage, nor do I have to worry about leaving my RB's in to pass-protect against Irvin - if I have reliable receivers, and I will in the playoffs, then I'll be fine as long as my QB is still standing.


Yes and no.

On 1st down - our formation is basically a 3-4. Bryant plays with inside leverage and Wright plays the SLB outside leverage on the line. It isn't as if QBs throw all day on the 3-4. I think rushing K.J. Wright more - especially if backs are in the back field blocking - would negate much of the disadvantage of Bryant in there. But I remind you that 3-4 teams rush with 3 slower players and one fast one often - so I don't see as much of a disadvantage as you.

On 3rd down (at least 3rd and long-ish) our formation changes to a wide 4-3 - like the Eagles played much of last year with the two ends - in 9 techniques. They basically rush the passer from wider out. This leaves the two tackles on an island which is why we had such trouble collapsing the pocket. This is where they need to improve.

Now where this breaks down and where your point is well taken is on the 3rd and 4. What do we do? If we put our rushing squad in the game - and they don't get there - QB lanes will be wide open to run. We keep Red in there - we basically have to blitz or give the QB all day.

So overall - there is definitely some tweaking but I don't think the answer is to do away with a good defensive line rotation - I think it is simply to get more talent in the defensive line. Especially at tackle.

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Ray Horton just got let go in AZ. Can we change our mind?!?


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Ray Horton just got let go in AZ. Can we change our mind?!?


No thanks. Dan's the man, Stan.


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Hmm should we have waited for Horton instead?

EDIT: misfit didn't see you post.

Horton just scouted our division and played against them. On the negative side supposedly he blew up for not being HC so he woul have been one and done...


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Read this thread/article and you'll see why Dan's the man.

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I think it is simply to get more talent in the defensive line. Especially at tackle.


This. Our current talent has been used properly. Quin and Bradley don't take snaps. We need to add horses to get a pass rush in the base set.


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Strengthening the Seahawks and hurting the Florida Gators! This has got to be my favorite transaction we have ever made. This! This makes up for giving up the rights to Tony Dorsett for me.

What's your beef with Florida?


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I think it is simply to get more talent in the defensive line. Especially at tackle.


This. Our current talent has been used properly. Quin and Bradley don't take snaps. We need to add horses to get a pass rush in the base set.


Yep. I think Alan Branch has been great at 3-tech in the running situations. We just need the 3-tech that can collapse the pocket and get in the backfield when they pass. In those 3rd and medium situations (3rd&6 to 3rd&4), I'd almost like to see us move Branch out to the 5-tech and bring in a quicker guy like Scruggs, Jaye Howard or Jones (if he stays) to play 3-tech. Though he might not be the run stuffer that Red is, Branch just seems a lot quicker off the snap than Red to me. But it all hinges on a 3-tech getting into the backfield.

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Don't be surprised if we draft a UF defensive line player now, I won't be.


Funny you say that, Florida DT Sharrif Floyd declared for the draft. I'm not too blown away by him, but what do I know. He fills an area of need, has untapped potential, and a connection to Quinn. Doubt he's the pick though but ya never know.

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Don't be surprised if we draft a UF defensive line player now, I won't be.


I'm OK with drafting lineman for depth, but personally I'd like to see us go after free agent line help.

The Hawks are past their "potential" years where we're building for the future. The future is NOW with this team, so I want to see players coming in here ready to help NOW, not 2-3 year draft projects.

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Don't be surprised if we draft a UF defensive line player now, I won't be.


I'm OK with drafting lineman for depth, but personally I'd like to see us go after free agent line help.

The Hawks are past their "potential" years where we're building for the future. The future is NOW with this team, so I want to see players coming in here ready to help NOW, not 2-3 year draft projects.


Sometimes, in the right system and if he's talented enough, you don't have to wait for excellent production from a rookie. We saw that with Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson, especially Wagner, this season. This is a very talented defense, and if someone like Richardson fell or if the Hawks traded up for him, he might be able to have a Wagner like season from the DT spot. Sure, there'll be rookie mistakes along the way, but the rest of the talent on D should be able to hide them.

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