One other potential positive of hiring Dan Quinn - assuming Wash is hired by Bradley as DC (I am not a Wash fan), Quinn would likely bring Bryant Young from Florida as D-line coach

Sarlacc83 wrote:

CodeWarrior wrote:In my ideal scenario they would have promoted from within, but I trust in PC/JS. This has to be a blow to some of Pete's defensive underlings that were certainly hoping for a promotion to that DC slot. Hopefully it doesn't sour any of them on the hawks' pipeline system.

Regardless, I have high hopes for Quinn's abilities and feel it's a quality hire based solely on the merits of Quinn himself.

Why would it faze the other guys? They worked with Quinn in 2011 (fulfilling the promote from within, albeit a year late) and they saw what he did at Florida as DC. I bet they're stoked to get him back. I know I am. (And I'm pretty astonished that it happened so soon, actually.)

Nobody in house was qualified to be promoted to DC. Rocky Seto? Kris Richard? Please... Probably the only one even qualified was Todd Wash, but with the state of the D-line last year I don't think he deserved it. Nope, Dan is the absolute best choice for DC and I could give a rip if the other guys are butthurt. Just pushes them to do better so they get the job if/when Dan gets his own HC opportunity.

Would have rather had Rod marinelli

/golf clap CAN good job.

This is PERFECT! Quinn is a smart man and imho, a better DC than Gus. Dan is the one that suggested Red Bryant play DE and now that he has experience as a college DC, he is well prepared for the job as our DC!

Like Canhawk, I wanted Quinn over everyone. Plus, we once again have a coach that is familiar with college talent. And most importantly, with D-line talent, our biggest need! Woohoo!!

Excellent call Can. You've elevated yourself to Kip Earlywine level genius with this call.

It's amazing how plugged into this organization some 12's are. Seriously amazing.

Wouldn't now mind seeing Todd Wash going to Jax, and Quinn brings in his own guy to look over D Line.

entropyrulesall wrote:

CANHawk wrote:THAT was the shortest trip on a band wagon I've ever had! I got up to drop a deuce and by the time I come back, Dan's the MAN!

Me likee!

Makes me wonder if Dan and Gus really DID have a deal in place to swap houses...

Maybe they had a deal for Dan to the Jag's DC. Losing out on Quinn has to be Bradley's first disappointment on the job. That, and his first cursory look at the Jag's roster lol.

No doubt. You can either coach the best defense in the league (one that you already had a hand in moulding BTW), or you can coach this steaming pile of dookie... but you get to hang out with your buddy Gus everyday!

Real tough decision...

NYCoug wrote:Excellent call Can. You've elevated yourself to Kip Earlywine level genius with this call.

It's amazing how plugged into this organization some 12's are. Seriously amazing.

Genius? Maybe. Word count? Not even close.

Tech Worlds wrote:Would have rather had Rod marinelli

I suspect Marinelli wants to go to a team with an offensive head coach so he can get all the credit for building a D. Not sure where Lovie Smith's former influence on the Bears D ends and where Marinelli's begins. He would live in PC's shadow here.

Axx wrote:it's like Pete knew they were getting rid of him either way and had Dan Quinn anyway.
I would love to see lovie smith but he will probably keep looking for a head coach job.

yea the speed of this does make you wonder if Bradley was leaving whether he got another job or not? and fwiw Lovey said yesterday that he would not go back to being a coordinator.

Spleenhawk2.0 wrote:One other potential positive of hiring Dan Quinn - assuming Wash is hired by Bradley as DC (I am not a Wash fan), Quinn would likely bring Bryant Young from Florida as D-line coach

haha, if Wash did go to Jacksonville the media might keep showing Wash during the games and saying it is Gus Bradley. The confusion will continue!

CodeWarrior wrote:In my ideal scenario they would have promoted from within, but I trust in PC/JS. This has to be a blow to some of Pete's defensive underlings that were certainly hoping for a promotion to that DC slot. Hopefully it doesn't sour any of them on the hawks' pipeline system.

Regardless, I have high hopes for Quinn's abilities and feel it's a quality hire based solely on the merits of Quinn himself.

I haven't posted on this board in a thousand years, but here's what I have to say about this . . .

1. This is essentially a promotion from within. Quinn was with this team two years ago, was responsible for successfully implementing the Red Bryant experiment and turning Chris Clemons from a journeyman into a league leading pass rusher. He knows many of the players, all of the coaches, and has worked with Carroll in the past.

2. There is no one on the current staff with the experience or demeanor to take on the coordinator gig. Richard is too inexperienced, and Norton is probably a career position coach. His personality doesn't fit well with being a "big picture" type coach.

3. I have no doubt that Quinn, like Bradley, will be groomed by Carroll to eventually take over the whole team. That's the kind of coach he is and the kind of reputation he has. Carroll is the second oldest coach in the league. Quinn has future HC coach written all over him.

Tech Worlds wrote:Would have rather had Rod marinelli

I love the fact that Carroll is continually surroundiung himself with young up and coming coaches instead of old old cronies and retreads that are too committed to twenty year old ideas to adjust to new scheme changes. I think Carroll's willingness to open himself up to new blood and new ideas will keep this team ahead of the NFL curve for a very long time.

McGruff wrote:

CodeWarrior wrote:In my ideal scenario they would have promoted from within, but I trust in PC/JS. This has to be a blow to some of Pete's defensive underlings that were certainly hoping for a promotion to that DC slot. Hopefully it doesn't sour any of them on the hawks' pipeline system.

Regardless, I have high hopes for Quinn's abilities and feel it's a quality hire based solely on the merits of Quinn himself.

I haven't posted on this board in a thousand years, but here's what I have to say about this . . .

1. This is essentially a promotion from within. Quinn was with this team two years ago, was responsible for successfully implementing the Red Bryant experiment and turning Chris Clemons from a journeyman into a league leading pass rusher. He knows many of the players, all of the coaches, and has worked with Carroll in the past.

2. There is no one on the current staff with the experience or demeanor to take on the coordinator gig. Richard is too inexperienced, and Norton is probably a career position coach. His personality doesn't fit well with being a "big picture" type coach.

3. I have no doubt that Quinn, like Bradley, will be groomed by Carroll to eventually take over the whole team. That's the kind of coach he is and the kind of reputation he has. Carroll is the second oldest coach in the league. Quinn has future HC coach written all over him.

That is EXACTLY what I was saying! Great post!

Have any of you considered the fact this now shows Seattle as a destination? We got a guy back from the University of Florida - one of the most football hungry places in the nation. This portends good things for the future.

McGruff wrote:

Tech Worlds wrote:Would have rather had Rod marinelli

I love the fact that Carroll is continually surroundiung himself with young up and coming coaches instead of old old cronies and retreads that are too committed to twenty year old ideas to adjust to new scheme changes. I think Carroll's willingness to open himself up to new blood and new ideas will keep this team ahead of the NFL curve for a very long time.

Yup, name coaches are what dumb teams do, look at KC, get the next assistant that becomes the "hot" name guy first.

This sounds like a decent swap for us. I really hope Bevell doesn't go. I don't think changing both coordinators in one off-season is so great.

So if Bradley takes Wash with him to Jacksonville, it's likely guess that Bryant Young from UF would replace him. I think these moves will certainly improve our D.... Exciting stuff!!!

Good hire did a good job with Florida this year, knows the defense as well so won't lead to much upheaval if any.

On a side note I wonder if this increases the chances of us looking at some Florida defensive guys like Sharrif Floyd.

No real surprise, as others have mentioned he was coaching on our team not too long ago.

Sarlacc83 wrote:Have any of you considered the fact this now shows Seattle as a destination? We got a guy back from the University of Florida - one of the most football hungry places in the nation. This portends good things for the future.

If it wasn't for Quinn having an established and quite recent history with us, I would lend more credence to that idea. Not saying it's completely out of bounds, but I don't know that it's one of the primary takeaways from the hire.

hawkcrazzed wrote:Quinn turned Big red into a moster and since he left red hasn't been as dominate. I love this hire because we can almost keep the same structure in place with are assistants. And its almost like bradley is not gone. Plus we get to see jaye howard dominate this year.

i dont think they run at the edges anymore, or to his side so less tackles. we got gashed up the middle for the most part...he set the edge and they dodnt get around it really.

was internal line play and rookie MLB finding his way

rainger wrote:
Is this good or bad??? Wasnt DQ with us when our D was at its worst?

No he was D-Line coach.

HawkFan72 wrote:Does anyone know how Quinn is as a playcaller? Did he calls plays on D as a head coach last year?

Same kind of situation as here Muschamp had a lot of influence on the defense because he's a defensive guy, but he let Quinn do the play calling.

volsunghawk wrote:

Sarlacc83 wrote:Have any of you considered the fact this now shows Seattle as a destination? We got a guy back from the University of Florida - one of the most football hungry places in the nation. This portends good things for the future.

If it wasn't for Quinn having an established and quite recent history with us, I would lend more credence to that idea. Not saying it's completely out of bounds, but I don't know that it's one of the primary takeaways from the hire.

Well, it's not the primary thing, no, but I think it's a secondary or tertiary item we can pull from it, especially if people really believe Quinn wants to go onto a head coaching gig. Even if Carroll and he have a great history, he's still got to factor in his future plans and whether being the Seahawks DC can help him reach that goal. Given that Bradley was hired as the Jags head coach, I'd say the answer is yes. Maybe it only works in this specific instance, but I have a feeling other coordinators are going to notice, especially when you factor in the fact that PC kept Bradley and took him under his wing during the regime change.

Love this move, now hopefully Bevell stays and we can focus on FA and the draft

Hasselbeck wrote:Love this move, now hopefully Bevell stays and we can focus on FA and the draft

Yeah, as thrilled as I am about the Dan Quinn signing, I really don't want to see Bevell go anywhere. I think the continuity in the coaching staff next year will be important for the offense and for Wilson.

Is Bevell even in play anywhere now that Trestman is in Chicago?

Great hire...super pumped.

Great hire...super pumped.

This is a fantastic hire ... not only because he's been here before, but also in terms of what he did at Florida in the 2 years he was Defensive Coordinator there. Just a few numbers from this past year ...

The 2012 Gators were ...

5th Best in terms of Fewest Points/Game Allowed (14.46 Pts/Game)
5th Best in terms of Total Yards/Allowed per Game (287.46)
4th Best in terms of Rush Defense (94.92 Rushing Yards/Game)
10th Best in terms of 3rd Down Conversion Percentage (31.02%)
13th Best in terms of Red Zone Scoring Percentage

The Gators were one of the Top defenses in the NCAA both of the years he was D-Coordinator. Good stuff.

CANHawk wrote:

Hasselbeck wrote:Love this move, now hopefully Bevell stays and we can focus on FA and the draft

Yeah, as thrilled as I am about the Dan Quinn signing, I really don't want to see Bevell go anywhere. I think the continuity in the coaching staff next year will be important for the offense and for Wilson.

Is Bevell even in play anywhere now that Trestman is in Chicago?

Arizona might be the last possibility. I think everywhere else has their coach now. I can definitely see Arizona making a big play for Roman after the SF season ends, though. That's what I'd do if I were them. Weaken your opponent to strengthen yourself. (Same goes for Seattle, too, but Roman's a hotter commodity, IMO.)

Edit: Jay Gruden is another Arizona suitor.

Strengthening the Seahawks and hurting the Florida Gators! This has got to be my favorite transaction we have ever made. This! This makes up for giving up the rights to Tony Dorsett for me.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

FO.com had Florida rated the #3 overall defense in the country.

CANHawk wrote:

Sarlacc83 wrote:

CodeWarrior wrote:In my ideal scenario they would have promoted from within, but I trust in PC/JS. This has to be a blow to some of Pete's defensive underlings that were certainly hoping for a promotion to that DC slot. Hopefully it doesn't sour any of them on the hawks' pipeline system.

Regardless, I have high hopes for Quinn's abilities and feel it's a quality hire based solely on the merits of Quinn himself.

Why would it faze the other guys? They worked with Quinn in 2011 (fulfilling the promote from within, albeit a year late) and they saw what he did at Florida as DC. I bet they're stoked to get him back. I know I am. (And I'm pretty astonished that it happened so soon, actually.)

Nobody in house was qualified to be promoted to DC. Rocky Seto? Kris Richard? Please... Probably the only one even qualified was Todd Wash, but with the state of the D-line last year I don't think he deserved it. Nope, Dan is the absolute best choice for DC and I could give a rip if the other guys are butthurt. Just pushes them to do better so they get the job if/when Dan gets his own HC opportunity.

These are all good points, maybe I'm just a little touchy following what I regard as the "Gus Bradley Fiasco." I have always liked Gus in both a personal and professional capacity and don't want to condemn him for leaving the Hawks, but I'm not sure what to make of a coordinator interviewing for HC spots the day(s) leading up to a playoff game. I can't say ALL these guys are out for themselves first and foremost, regarding any role other than HC as a stepping stone, but I'm not sure I can categorize Bradley's acceptance of the Jacksonville HC job after being spurned by Philly as anything but that. I don't like how the situation was handled.

Based on the merits of the individuals, I agree that Quinn is the best choice. Just sayin' that in an IDEAL scenario we would have promoted from within in order to maximize both the abilities of the defense and the reputation of the organization. I will say that the prospect of Ken Norton Jr. or Kris Richard being made DC AND calling the plays would have me extremely nervous. Just wondering how long those guys will be happy being positon coaches. The lifetime position coaches I can name are predominately on the OL, but that doesn't mean they can't be found at other spots, I just can't name any.

I'll will say that I think Bradley is set up to fail in Jacksonville. The GM was put in place first, who then brought in Gus. Borrowing from the Big Tuna: the new GM is buying the ingredients while Gus is expected to cook the dinner. All this is being done against the backdrop of what appears to be a meddling owner. We will know for sure once the Tebow situation plays out. I don't like the move for Gus and I don't think it will end well. For Gus' sake I hope I'm wrong.

Anyway, enough of my pedantic rantings. I'm excited by Quinn's hiring!

BASF wrote:Strengthening the Seahawks and hurting the Florida Gators! This has got to be my favorite transaction we have ever made. This! This makes up for giving up the rights to Tony Dorsett for me.

What's your beef with Florida?

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Sturm wrote:

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Not sure that's a real good way to assess how good a defensive coordinator is doing. There could be a lot of mitigating factors for that. For that matter, his stats at Florida really don't mean much either - it's college and a totally different pool of players.

FlyingGreg wrote:

Sturm wrote:

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Not sure that's a real good way to assess how good a defensive coordinator is doing. There could be a lot of mitigating factors for that.

Totally fair. I just like FO.com, and tend to trust they can give me a general answer. I'm trying to reconcile in my mind if this is a net plus or net negative.

Sturm wrote:I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Almost irrelevant. The telling stat is how many forced fumbles there were, regardless of who recovered.

Sturm wrote:

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Maybe most of the stats, because that's what he said.

They had 10 fumble recoveries and 20 picks. They were actually top 5 in a lot of categories. You're really going to cherry pick one category and classify it as cause for concern?

brimsalabim wrote:

Axx wrote:it's like Pete knew they were getting rid of him either way and had Dan Quinn anyway.
I would love to see lovie smith but he will probably keep looking for a head coach job.

yea the speed of this does make you wonder if Bradley was leaving whether he got another job or not? and fwiw Lovey said yesterday that he would not go back to being a coordinator.

I mentioned this elsewhere on the boards yesterday. Pete promises his guys he will do what he can to help them get their dream job. At USC he would even conduct mock interviews to help them prepare.

As part of that, Pete also plans ahead so that if a guy does leave, Pete will have some options available to fill the spot.

I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire. It was under Quinn that the Red Bryant experiment launched, and I personally don't ever see Bryant creating pass rush, even after he heals. He's just not that kind of player.

Florida's defense may have put up gaudy stats last year's. But so did Seattle's, and the result was that Seattle rode a razor-thin line between victory and defeat all season until the die finally tipped wrong against Atlanta because of lack of pass rush.

So I'll withhold judgment. Could be good, could be more meh. It's still Pete's defense, after all. Maybe he'll coach up Irvin well.

I do recall reading that Norton Jr. doesn't want to be a DC any time soon and that he's happy being a LB coach.

I think that paired with the fact Dan Quinn clearly DID want to be a defensive coordinator made this move pretty easy.

MontanaHawk05 wrote:I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire

I don't think they intend to use Dan Quinn as a pass rusher.

MontanaHawk05 wrote:I would like to see how much pass rush Quinn is capable of generating before I hail the hire. It was under Quinn that the Red Bryant experiment launched, and I personally don't ever see Bryant creating pass rush, even after he heals. He's just not that kind of player..

You're right, which is why they take Red out and put Irvin in during passing downs.

Bryant is a run stuffer, and one of the best in the league at setting the edge and allowing our LB's and safeties to make tackles near the line.

For what it's worth ..... Florida safety Matt Elam, defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd and outside linebacker Jelani Jenkins all declared for the draft earlier this month.

Sturm wrote:

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Fumble recoveries are notoriously random occurrences. Forced fumbles is a much more important stat for a D.

Sturm wrote:

gw232 wrote:Man, Florida was in the top 15 for most defensive statistics.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1043

I don't know what particular stats you're referring to but I do know that Quinn's D last year had almost no fumble recoveries...and that bothers me.

Watch the South Carolina game. How does a team win 44-11 with only 183 total yards on offense. They forced a lot of fumbles, I will say a lot of them on special teams where like Seattle, Florida played a lot of their defensive starters on kick and punt coverage. It was ridiculous how many balls they would rip or punch out. They did miss tackles at time, because they were always going for the strip.

Dan Quinn has two season of evaluating and watching film in the SEC. And two seasons of sitting in 18 year old kids living rooms while recruiting.

I really like that. that could pay dividends over the next several years.