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Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:20 pm
  • As pleased as I was with Earl Thomas' play in this post-season (2 HUGE momentum swinging plays in addition to his customary steady patrol of the deep and willingness to come up and caution to the wind in run support), I was dismayed by Kam Chancellor. In each game Kam appeared to be targeted for the first 2 1st quarter touchdowns and he came up sorely deficient.

    Is this a concern enybody else has going forward?
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:24 pm
  • idk what to say, he hasnt really been a issue all year long but its hard to say when he was having to cover a future Hall of famer.
    But i think we need a guy like him to cover players like Gronk or Hernandez.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:25 pm
  • I'd be very intrigued by the idea of moving Kam to WLB, Browner to SS, and having Lane, Thurmond and others compete for the open RCB position opposite Sherman. You'd increase the athleticism and coverage ability at all 3 positions by doing that, while still having a very 'big' defense overall.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:27 pm
  • I actually thought that Kam slipped from last season. Particularly in coverage. I think he's great with run support, and can still lay the wood for sure. But I thought he got caught out of position more than a few times during the season and didn't have nearly the impact in the secondary that he did in 2011. A buddy of mine said that he was the biggest liability on the defense this season. I wouldn't go that far (see Leroy Hill, or Marcus Trufant when playing in the slot against quick receivers). But there are a number of us here that I bet would agree with that assessment.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:28 pm
  • Axx wrote:idk what to say, he hasnt really been a issue all year long but its hard to say when he was having to cover a future Hall of famer.
    But i think we need a guy like him to cover players like Gronk or Hernandez.


    I don't even recall who caught the first 2 TDs in the Falcons game. In the game vs the Skins I am pretty certain both were backs of the backfield who went directly in Kams area and Kam was victimized badly. I was mildly surprised. When he gave up two early TDs again vs ATL, it became a pretty big concern for me.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:28 pm
  • Maybe I'm not reading enough into this but this is my view of Chancellor being "targeted" in the two games.

    It appeared to me that the Washington touchdown was against a zone defense, and it was Griffin's first read, it (IMO) just happened to be a soft spot between Kam and Earl (I think).

    In the case of the ATL game, I think it's more of a situation where Ryan was throwing at Gonzalez more than he was targeting Chancellor. This (again, IMO) is the same reason you typically see Richard Sherman get thrown at more than Browner, not because the other team thinks they can take advantage of Sherman, Sherman just happens to be matched up more often against the AJ Greens, Megatrons, and Larry Fitzgeralds of the world.

    I could be wrong, and I think that of the 4, Chancellor is the weakest in coverage, but I personally don't think he's deficient enough to worry over.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:34 pm
  • The NFL is all about match-ups.

    When you have a Hof-er TE playing opposite you, you;re going to look bad if you're the SS or the LB assigned to cover him.

    I'm not worried about Kam... and I sure as hell not worried about Bobby Wagner.

    Now Hill, on the other hand... that's a whole different matter.

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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:45 pm
  • ^I may be off-base here, but I am pretty certain one of those TD passes went to 'Jason Snelling' when Kam was covering him and I don't antipate his bust in Canton anytime soon.

    If you watch these games again, give it your eye. I don't think Kam had his best two games this month. It makes me wonder.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:47 pm
  • I mentioned in another thread that I won't be shocked if we bring in someone else to compete with Kam and Jeron Johnson. And I really wouldn't be surprised if we go to the draft when Chancellor's contract is up. I like him, but I don't think he's in a safe position.

    That said, the hit on Vernon Davis was awesome and we needed more of that from him this year.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:52 pm
  • NorthDallas40oz wrote:I'd be very intrigued by the idea of moving Kam to WLB, Browner to SS, and having Lane, Thurmond and others compete for the open RCB position opposite Sherman. You'd increase the athleticism and coverage ability at all 3 positions by doing that, while still having a very 'big' defense overall.


    What would be the purpose of changing the NFL's best secondary?
    Sure they are not all perfect, but collectively, they are as good as a group as the NFL has seen in a long time.

    I would concur that Kam, of all the players, was the least impressive. He's still very young and will get better.

    The real issue with the playoff games and most of our regular season losses is our run defense. As other posters have mentioned Leroy Hill will not be a starting linebacker for us next year. Honorable mention for most disappointing (IMO) is Red Bryant. The guy got paid and nearly disappeared. Considering how disruptive he was last year and how his specialty was stuffing the run, I don't see how he was worth the money. Still a solid player, but he did not improve and likely regressed.

    I'd like to see us bring in Henry Melton and draft a replacement for Hill in the mold of Von Miller (easier said than done). Bruce Irvin must improve and the may need to bring in a couple guys to push him.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:53 pm
  • Browner was targeted also, on the last drive by Atl, a deep come-back route was ran on Browner's side of the field. Anytime he has to change directions, he is very vulnerable (think Titus Young on the slant to win the game for Detroit). If BB cannot or doesn't get a jam, or a receiver can change directions on him, he is done.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:07 pm
  • players give up scores all of the time
    especially against top scoring offenses on the road in the playoffs

    you can't have a pro-bowler at every position
    yet we actually do in that position (just not this year)
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:07 pm
  • Kam Chancellor is completely lost in zone coverage. He is a huge part of why we lost on Sunday. 2 TDs (Gonzalez and White) were directly a result of Kam being caught flat-footed in his zone coverage.

    I think Pete is looking for a guy to replace Kam as the starting SS. He wants someone with more range.

    Kam's a great hitter and a fan favorite, but I don't think he can keep up with where this Defense is going. He cannot make the plays he needs to. He struggled much of the year, and especially in this last game.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:13 pm
  • HawkFan72 wrote:Kam Chancellor is completely lost in zone coverage. He is a huge part of why we lost on Sunday. 2 TDs (Gonzalez and White) were directly a result of Kam being caught flat-footed in his zone coverage.

    I think Pete is looking for a guy to replace Kam as the starting SS. He wants someone with more range.

    Kam's a great hitter and a fan favorite, but I don't think he can keep up with where this Defense is going. He cannot make the plays he needs to. He struggled much of the year, and especially in this last game.



    Thank you for the confirmation. I was pretty certain of my assessment even with my admittedly vague recollection of who the recipients were of his coverage. In DC, as well. Both TD passes went after Kam's assignment and "flat-footed" is a real good way to describe his response on both plays. It concerns me.

    I have no axe to grind, here. It is possible to support and criticize a player on our team when their performance wanes or comes up short.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:15 pm
  • joeshaney wrote: Honorable mention for most disappointing (IMO) is Red Bryant. The guy got paid and nearly disappeared. Considering how disruptive he was last year and how his specialty was stuffing the run, I don't see how he was worth the money. Still a solid player, but he did not improve and likely regressed.

    He was hampered by his plantar fasciitis pretty much all year.

    Let's see how he heals during the off-season.

    It certainly wouldn't hurt for Red to drop a good 30 lbs., thereby lightening the load on his foot and making him more agile.

    I'd like to see Carp drop the same 30... and finally get in football shape.

    And while I'm at it, Moffitt could lose 20 lbs and never miss it.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:16 pm
  • Kam has definitely been one of the 2 or 3 weakest links in the defense all year.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:23 pm
  • I've been saying this all season. I love Kam. Was going to get his jersey this season, but I saw early on, he was having a hard time in coverage. Sad to say it, but I don't think he'd be back there much longer.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 pm
  • Size and big hits are great, but I think those attributes should be secondary to or at least equal to coverage skills and playing in the box, making tackles, and as far as those attributes go, I think he is the weakest link in the DB group

    I doubt Pete try's Kam in the LB position, but I like the idea another poster mentioned regarding trying Browner in the SS position, Browner has decent coverage skills and tracks ball/makes interception, and on top of that some of his play in the box/tackling has been good and he is also a hard hitter
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm
  • GoHawks wrote:Size and big hits are great, but I think those attributes should be secondary to or at least equal to coverage skills and playing in the box, making tackles, and as far as those attributes go, I think he is the weakest link in the DB group

    I doubt Pete try's Kam in the LB position, but I like the idea another poster mentioned regarding trying Browner in the SS position, Browner has decent coverage skills and tracks ball/makes interception, and on top of that some of his play in the box/tackling has been good and he is also a hard hitter


    I made a similar observation of BB during the game that he'd make an awesome safety once we get a tall, quicker CB to replace him.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:31 pm
  • GoHawks wrote:Size and big hits are great, but I think those attributes should be secondary to or at least equal to coverage skills and playing in the box, making tackles, and as far as those attributes go, I think he is the weakest link in the DB group

    I doubt Pete try's Kam in the LB position, but I like the idea another poster mentioned regarding trying Browner in the SS position, Browner has decent coverage skills and tracks ball/makes interception, and on top of that some of his play in the box/tackling has been good and he is also a hard hitter


    For opponents, its about attacking weaknessses ......... i.e. as in changing direction in the case of Chancelor or Browner. Browner brings similar strength/weakness trade offs to the field. IMO
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:32 pm
  • HawkFan72 wrote:Kam Chancellor is completely lost in zone coverage. He is a huge part of why we lost on Sunday. 2 TDs (Gonzalez and White) were directly a result of Kam being caught flat-footed in his zone coverage.

    I think Pete is looking for a guy to replace Kam as the starting SS. He wants someone with more range.

    Kam's a great hitter and a fan favorite, but I don't think he can keep up with where this Defense is going. He cannot make the plays he needs to. He struggled much of the year, and especially in this last game.


    Good assessment, I completely agree.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:36 pm
  • Bias aside -- I openly admit Kam is my favorite current Hawk, although Wilson is nipping at his heels -- Kam did not have a great season.

    It wasn't just the lack of "plays" (zero picks after 4 in 2011). He definitely looked like a liability in coverage.

    I'm not sure what the solution is, he is a monster as a SS but teams will keep picking on him in the passing game.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:52 pm
  • Fair criticism BFS.

    I thought Kam had Gonzales pretty well covered, the guy just catches everything. He's not great in zone coverage at times, and there are routes he doesn't cover well, just like any player, even Sherman.

    I think a lot of the year long criticism of Kam has been based in the level of "wow" plays he made in 2011 compared to this year. I actually thought he was more sound in coverage this year than last year, I think expectations were higher because of the "wow" plays last year.

    However, he doesn't have the quickness in the hips that you'd want out of a safety, and he got beat badly on that Roddy White touchdown and didn't look good early on against Washington. I'm not even close to ready to write the guy off. Like I said, I thought he was better this year, but our defense is so talented, sometimes we expect perfection from them.

    If there is an obvious upgrade available, go for it, but its also important to realize this guy is a key part of our physical identity on defense. Attitude helps make this defense tick, and Kam's part of that.

    Just my thoughts.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:11 pm
  • seahawk2k wrote:Fair criticism BFS.

    I thought Kam had Gonzales pretty well covered, the guy just catches everything. He's not great in zone coverage at times, and there are routes he doesn't cover well, just like any player, even Sherman.

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    Gonzalez had more than a couple catches that nobody makes w/out those long arms of his. Very good point IMO. Ryan was putting the ball where only Tony was going to catch it. I saw a lot of replays with good coverage and you can't cover perfect throws.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:18 pm
  • bestfightstory wrote:As pleased as I was with Earl Thomas' play in this post-season (2 HUGE momentum swinging plays in addition to his customary steady patrol of the deep and willingness to come up and caution to the wind in run support), I was dismayed by Kam Chancellor. In each game Kam appeared to be targeted for the first 2 1st quarter touchdowns and he came up sorely deficient.

    Is this a concern enybody else has going forward?



    Go back and listen to JS post draft interview on Brock and Salk. I wish I had the link, but I'm sure it can be found. He talks about Wilson, and Irvin in particular.

    He said they rated a few guys ahead of Irvin...Keuchly and Barron were two guys in particular he mentioned..If Barron was available, we WOULD have taken him, and we WOULD have moved Chancellor to LB. I can't help but wonder if that isn't the long term plan, we just need a SS better than him in order to make that move.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:14 pm
  • we just need a pass rush and everything will be fine. Kam makes players scared to sell out over the middle. Some one has to collect the toll.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:31 pm
  • Kam didn't have a great season but I'm def not ready to give up on him, not even close. He was suspect in coverage this year especially in the playoffs. But as someone else stated this team has an identity of being extremely physical, to the point where individual players from other teams have it in the back of their minds. Kam is a big part of that identity. I think he has the skill set and the youth to improve his coverage skill this off season. I'll be interested to see if he can take his game to another level next season.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:34 pm
  • joeshaney wrote:
    NorthDallas40oz wrote:I'd be very intrigued by the idea of moving Kam to WLB, Browner to SS, and having Lane, Thurmond and others compete for the open RCB position opposite Sherman. You'd increase the athleticism and coverage ability at all 3 positions by doing that, while still having a very 'big' defense overall.


    What would be the purpose of changing the NFL's best secondary?
    Sure they are not all perfect, but collectively, they are as good as a group as the NFL has seen in a long time.

    I would concur that Kam, of all the players, was the least impressive. He's still very young and will get better.

    The real issue with the playoff games and most of our regular season losses is our run defense. As other posters have mentioned Leroy Hill will not be a starting linebacker for us next year. Honorable mention for most disappointing (IMO) is Red Bryant. The guy got paid and nearly disappeared. Considering how disruptive he was last year and how his specialty was stuffing the run, I don't see how he was worth the money. Still a solid player, but he did not improve and likely regressed.

    I'd like to see us bring in Henry Melton and draft a replacement for Hill in the mold of Von Miller (easier said than done). Bruce Irvin must improve and the may need to bring in a couple guys to push him.


    I like the idea of Browner as the SS and trying Kam out at LB. The purpose is to get better; to put players where they seem more natural. Browner, as great as he has been playing, is not a natural CB in my opinion like Sherman is. Browner hits just as hard as Kam.

    It would definitely be nice to have more awareness out there. Can never have enough.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:54 pm
  • Go back and listen to JS post draft interview on Brock and Salk. I wish I had the link, but I'm sure it can be found. He talks about Wilson, and Irvin in particular.

    He said they rated a few guys ahead of Irvin...Keuchly and Barron were two guys in particular he mentioned..If Barron was available, we WOULD have taken him, and we WOULD have moved Chancellor to LB. I can't help but wonder if that isn't the long term plan, we just need a SS better than him in order to make that move.

    I remember JS had Barron rated high on their board and likely would have picked him if he was there at are pick, but I also thought that JS or PC had dispelled the notion of moving Kam to LB, so I guess unless that was just a ruse - I don't know what their gameplan would have been with both Barron and Kam on the field
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:29 pm
  • If anyone has the Redskins game on DVR go back and watch the Redskins 2 TD's (2nd one in particular). Pause it as RG3 gets ready to throw. It's disturbing the lack of awareness in zone coverage that Kam displayed on those 2 plays. Particularly on the 2nd TD he had no threats in his area and he allowed Paulson to stand there uncontested and wide open. There were 3 Seahawk DB's standing in the middle of the field without anyone around them guarding their empty "zones". Anyone who has played knows that you "look the guy up" when you're in zone, you don't just stand there flat footed in a specified area like you are a statue planted in the ground. I couldn't believe it when re-watching the game and it really surprised/worried me.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:47 pm
  • GoHawks wrote:
    I remember JS had Barron rated high on their board and likely would have picked him if he was there at are pick, but I also thought that JS or PC had dispelled the notion of moving Kam to LB, so I guess unless that was just a ruse - I don't know what their gameplan would have been with both Barron and Kam on the field



    The interview with JS didn't do anything to dispel that notion. He will be a LB in the future, it's just a matter of how long.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:07 pm
  • bestfightstory wrote:As pleased as I was with Earl Thomas' play in this post-season (2 HUGE momentum swinging plays in addition to his customary steady patrol of the deep and willingness to come up and caution to the wind in run support), I was dismayed by Kam Chancellor. In each game Kam appeared to be targeted for the first 2 1st quarter touchdowns and he came up sorely deficient.

    Is this a concern enybody else has going forward?

    I love his big hits, BUT, all you have to do is stand the Seahawks Corners and safties in a row, and pick who you think we could replace without a huge drop off, and KC comes first in my pick.
    Like was mentioned before, it almost looks like he's playing the wrong position.
    Why can't we find another baller like Kenny Easley ,who just seemed to nose out and locate the ball on almost every play.

    John Elway hated playing against Easley, because he could never seem to figgure out where he'd be on any given play.

    Not trying to turn this into an Easley thread, just seems that his style of safety play is missing big time in the legion of boom.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:10 pm
  • Get something even slightly resembling pass rush, and somehow I don't think you'll be seeing Kam get victimized nearly as often.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:29 pm
  • Stop it, just stop it. Kam is one of the best strong safeties in the league, period. If you think they're going to be able to upgrade the position with any kind of ease anytime soon you should start watching tennis. Does he have weaknesses? Sure. Does he more than make up for them in other areas? Sure. Is he a second year starter that is going to continue to improve and learn from his mistakes? Of course. Just stop. End thread.
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Re: Kam Chancellor
Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:32 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:Stop it, just stop it. Kam is one of the best strong safeties in the league, period. If you think they're going to be able to upgrade the position with any kind of ease anytime soon you should start watching tennis. Does he have weaknesses? Sure. Does he more than make up for them in other areas? Sure. Is he a second year starter that is going to continue to improve and learn from his mistakes? Of course. Just stop. End thread.



    Sure, but perhaps they believe he can be the best OLB in the league? I'm not picking him apart; I'm thankful to have him as our SS, but like I said, if Barron was there, JS would have picked him and moved Chancellor to LB.
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