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I am far less broken up about this than I would be losing Bevell. I've been critical of him early, but there was a world of difference when he wasn't handicapping Wilson. Our offense became our strength over the last eight games, and the defense the liability. Number one defense or not, we've lost far too many games giving up a last second drive for points after the offense won the game for us. That is unacceptable and must be fixed. I can't say I wasn't skeptical Bradley could do that.

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Well, coaches leaving is normal, that does not change the identity of an organization. We have a blue print on defense with the exception of 3rd down defense. Gus is a great guy but the 30 seconds in ATL is a defining moment for me to not feel is is not replaceable. I am sure Pete will fill his vacant spots appropriately and take the team forward. The absolute need is to have continuity in Head Coach and GM, we have both and feel blessed. We are doing great things, our pass rushing may not be because of personnel, it is also a scheme thing in my opinion. I am looking forward to getting some young defensive minded coach who fits well with this young team. I am sure there is one that we can find.


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Wasn't Allen Barbe a Seahawk? It's being reported that the Eagles just signed him. Gus is already stealing our players! >:(

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Despite a rumor that Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has accepted a head-coaching job with the Philadelphia Eagles, that process still has a ways to go.

Citing a source who spoke with the Eagles, NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports no decision has been made, according to the source.

NFL.com's Albert Breer reported the Eagles will have Bradley in for a second interview Tuesday afternoon in Philadelphia, but no deal is imminent, according to a source involved with the process.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000126790/article/gus-bradley-decision-not-yet-final-by-eagles

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Just shows what a kick ass organization we are, people are knockin the doors down to get what we got.

The bad part is he can choose his coaches and he could take some with him.


Hopefully some of those coaches will compare the current situation in Seattle against the existing mess in Philly and decide their long term prospects are better served by staying put.


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ESPN radio did mention the 2nd interview, but said he had informed them he was taking the job, on the way to the interview.


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He'll be fired within 3 years. That organization is a mess, and if he doesn't have a winning season right away, the brutal fans there will be calling for his head.

I totally agree.

Gus is a great guy but his success with the Hawks is principally dependent on Pete's defensive scheme and John Schneider's eye for talent and his acumen at acquiring said talent.

Philly needs a GM whose strength/background is talent evaluation and acquisition.

If they hire a bean counter to manage their cap space, Gus is screwed.

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Gus will be missed. I have a friend/co-worker who played for Gus at NDSU. Thinks of him as a second father and He can't stop saying great things about him. Nobody can, really. My father, brother and I have several other connections to him, as well. Everybody, to a man, who has coached with or played for the guy speaks in superlatives about him.

It's a loss, believe me.

Congrats to Gus Bradley. But Philly? Really? That's where you want to raise your family? Gross.

My critical comments towards Gus are strictly about his coaching. From everyone that I've heard that knows him says he is a peach of a guy and a very genuine guy.

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Well if he does leave we will finally find out if that soft zone crap was him or Pete...
This is the coordinator I was least worried about losing

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Peace out soft zone with game on the line!

That was my first thought too.

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I am far less broken up about this than I would be losing Bevell. I've been critical of him early, but there was a world of difference when he wasn't handicapping Wilson.


I'll only cry over losing Bevell if it happens after he stops handicapping the whole offense for the first half of every game next year. Giving big leads to opponents then having to come back roaring in the second half is thrilling for fans of other teams, but I'm tired of the heart attacks. We could have blown the doors off of most of our opponents this season, not just a handful.

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I felt strongly believed he would leave as he has been through 3 regimes and basically unable to design his own defense.

Moreover, I am fully happly with grabbing another co-ordinator.

As for continuity - Pete is there for defense as are position coaches so I am not too concerned.

It is offense where I wish Bevell wouldn't go.

At least Cable has no offers which is the most important. Pay CABLE!!!

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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.

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I like Bradley, and more importantly, the players like Bradley. The Eagles need a coach like that if they're going to assemble their talent into a real team.

That being said, I'll wait to say farewell until everything's actually in stone.

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Detroit, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, et al.....the same mistakes were repeated again and again....time to see what a new DC can accomplish. Would love to see a guy like Ray Horton be given a chance to implement a scheme that allows our speed and size to be unleashed...Seattle's offense with RW and a defense like AZ is Super Bowl material for years to come!

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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.


Yup. The Bears game was solely on the players...mostly Sherman.

But the Falcons game, we should have been playing man coverage instead of zone on the final drive. That is how we stopped the Falcons the previous 3 drives. That's the only complaint I had. I am glad he blitzed and just didnt play textbook prevent D. But it was still the wrong coverage called for, IMO. The Hawks were killed on zone coverage ALL DAY. To go back to it at the most critical time of the game was just bad coaching.

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Can't say I'm sad at all . This needed to be changed IMHO we will be better for it . Good luck Gus .

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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.


Yup. The Bears game was solely on the players...mostly Sherman.

But the Falcons game, we should have been playing man coverage instead of zone on the final drive. That is how we stopped the Falcons the previous 3 drives. That's the only complaint I had. I am glad he blitzed and just didnt play textbook prevent D. But it was still the wrong coverage called for, IMO. The Hawks were killed on zone coverage ALL DAY. To go back to it at the most critical time of the game was just bad coaching.


I don't necessarily disagree. And, admittedly, the defensive backfield is my most unlearned positional area of a football team. But it is THE area of expertise for both Pete and Gus (I believe each was a d-back in their playing days). And with 2 All-PROS in our secondary shouldn't we be able to stop that drive regardless of whether we were in zone or man-man??

Frankly,(and a bit off topic) the guy who concerns me is Kam Chancellor. In five quarters of playoff football he was targeted successfully for 4 TDs. Which is why, I think, Winston Guy suddenly saw the field.

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I think Bradley is a better coach than Bevell, but Bevell is more valuable because PC is a defensive minded coach and we also have Norton, wash, and Seto. I think it will be hard for bradley to pull any of our coached because we could very well offer them the DC position here. I wish Bradley the best, he has help this D improve every year and he deserves a HC gig. I think Philly has a ton of talent on the defensive side and it won't take long for them to be a top 10 defense just another piece ro two and they will be set. But his OL and QB are huge question marks. Mabye we trade Philly Matt Flynn?

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All those people celebrating this news will be in for a shock when they find out next season that the defense is basically the same... because Pete Carroll has more influence than anyone on how this team plays.


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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.


We sat back in soft zones even though sending 5 both plays. The first play put two players in Browner's zone along the sidelines which gave them a fairly easy big first down. It should have been man press coverage from the start even with the 5 man rush with Atl having 2 timeouts. The next was more or less Wagner's fault for letting Gonzo go straight up the seem for an easy big catch, but 95% of the people watching knew who that pass was going to and we still called a conservative zone.

The prevent call against the Bears was the correct one and Sherm lazily tried to make an interception while Brandon Marshall did what he does best and went to the ball snagging it out of the air.

In all the game losing drives we had that I can remember, we switched from our dominate press coverage to zones. I think that is my biggest complaint with Gus Bradley, regardless of how great a person he is.


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Just shows what a kick ass organization we are, people are knockin the doors down to get what we got.

The bad part is he can choose his coaches and he could take some with him.


Hopefully some of those coaches will compare the current situation in Seattle against the existing mess in Philly and decide their long term prospects are better served by staying put.


If any coach has aspirations to be an NFL head coach, they should jump at the opportunity. If he succeeds, he will make millions, if he fails, there will be other opportunities (some may still be as HC) as coordinators. The experience and exposure will benefit him in the future.

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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.


Yep, I distinctly remember seeing Winston Guy in the backfield on every play of that last drive, but the secondary did appear to be in something resembling a zone. I don't know if you can call it a soft zone when you're blitzing DB's, but still...

It was wierd, they seemed to be playing it like they had to defend an 80 yard field, but it was really only a 40 yard field as that was all they needed to get in FG range. That's not the place for a prevent defense IMO. I don't mean to nitpick, because like Pete said in his presser "that's the easy thing to do", but what was working for them in that game was press man coverage with two safties over the top. I don't know why you'd go away from what was working with the game on the line. Perhaps they thought Ryan wouldn't have time to find the open guys due to the blitz, but I guess they guessed wrong...

But I agree, the coordinators seem to take too much of a beating around here when things go wrong. They're just an easy target I guess. I dunno... :shrug:

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One thing about Gus Bradley is he is very likable and seemed to have a good presence with the players. Ultimately, I think that Bradley's rise came from being hitched to Carroll's wagon, he'll probably be ok and even more importantly, I'm 100% sure we'll be fine. The only discrepancy I can see is the presence he brought, which will take time to build rapport with a new coach.

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While I have already revealed my bias for Bradley, I don't understand all the comments here about Bradley and 'soft zone'.

In the Bears game wasn't Sherman in position to defend that completion to B Marshall but fail to make the play?

And against Atlanta-my big fear was that we would sit back on that last drive, but we didn't. We blitzed on both of Atlanta's final two plays. The players didn't get there.

This board seems to always trash our co-ordinators.

Here we had a co-ordinator who is heralded by everybody he has ever worked with and who led a #1 scoring defense that had little pass rush and we are happy to see him go??

I don't understand.


Allow me to simplify it then:

On that pass rush play? Bradley had ONE guy assigned to cover Gonzalez - Winston Guy. A rookie safety who had served a 4 game suspension and only been back a few weeks. That was the ONE SINGLE GUY assigned to cover Gonzalez in a ZONE scheme. Here you've got the best secondary in the game, and some pretty decent LBs, and Bradley chose to use an unproven rusty rookie to defend one of the best, most critical players on the ATL offense. And he was the ONLY defender in that middle part of the field, because even Trufant had been sent on a blitz.

Carroll didn't make that call. Bradley did. Carroll already discussed it on the radio this morning, and Brock and Salk talked about it at length.

So yeah, maybe Bradley is a great dude, and a real father figure. But he's a MORON for putting a rusty rookie in soft zone against one of the best TE's in the game on a play where you know the offense has 3 TO's and only needs 30-40 yards to win the game. That call cost us the game.

So good luck and good riddance, Bradley.


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Actually when Pete became coach I (and many others here) were shocked that Bradley was retained.

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KJ Wright (love that name, sounds like DD Lewis) has got to make a better tackle on the Gonzalez catch. Should have been able to put him down at the 35yd line. The distance doesn't seem like much but makes it a 53 yd FG. That and ST allowing a return to the 30. Oh well.

I have no animosity toward Bradley. I don't expect to see a big leap with whomever replaces him.

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KJ Wright (love that name, sounds like DD Lewis) has got to make a better tackle on the Gonzalez catch. Should have been able to put him down at the 35yd line. The distance doesn't seem like much but makes it a 53 yd FG. That and ST allowing a return to the 30. Oh well.

I have no animosity toward Bradley. I don't expect to see a big leap with whomever replaces him.


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Bye Gus! Good luck dude, you will definitely need it.

Not trying to be an ass but honestly I could care less about losing him. Next man up!

You are so right, too often he called for that damn soft zone at the most inappropriate time. I won't miss him either.


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5 late game blown leads when the team NEEDED the defense to m ake ONE more stop to secure a victory
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Yeah but the Philly crowd will be easy on him and not blame him if he looses five games late.... they are much better at analyzing games than the Seattle fans and stay away from letting emotions rule the day....

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Just shows what a kick ass organization we are, people are knockin the doors down to get what we got.

The bad part is he can choose his coaches and he could take some with him.

Take coaches with him?....Maybe only IF the Eagles organization can match the money that Paul Allen puts up.


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5 late game blown leads when the team NEEDED the defense to m ake ONE more stop to secure a victory
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Yeah but the Philly crowd will be easy on him and not blame him if he looses five games late.... they are much better at analyzing games than the Seattle fans and stay away from letting emotions rule the day....

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Why is anybody very upset about this? The defense has been this teams biggest liability ever since Detroit. There is no pass rush *at all*, we have stunk on 3rd down for much of the season, we haven't handled late game defense well at all. To me, a good portion of this falls on the DC. There have been positives on the defense but they are because of INDIVIDUAL performances, like Sherman, Thomas, Wagner, etc.

In other words, our defensive problems have been more scheme related. Our defensive positives have been individual players making plays.

The one exception is Trufant who has been an individual failure ( I know he had a decent game sunday)

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could it mean a potential promotion for Tom Cable? or Pete will take over? or they will just hire someone else?

cable? Isn't he OL? He still has a shot at a promotion though because Adam Schrieffer just said that Bevel is interviewing with Bears today and Buc's tomorrow. As an added bonus he through in that there isn't much interest in Flynn around the league.


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could it mean a potential promotion for Tom Cable? or Pete will take over? or they will just hire someone else?

cable? Isn't he OL? He still has a shot at a promotion though because Adam Schrieffer just said that Bevel is interviewing with Bears today and Buc's tomorrow. As an added bonus he through in that there isn't much interest in Flynn around the league.

Was that a serious question or Bipolar trying to be funny because of what Reid did promoting his O-Line coach to Defensive Coordinator?

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 Post subject: Re: According to ESPN radio
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5 late game blown leads when the team NEEDED the defense to m ake ONE more stop to secure a victory
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Yeah but the Philly crowd will be easy on him and not blame him if he looses five games late.... they are much better at analyzing games than the Seattle fans and stay away from letting emotions rule the day....

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Could you imagine Philly if Andy Reid lost the same way Seattle did sunday????

Not to mention 3 other games earlier in the season in exactly the same fashion and nearly a 4th (Chicago). Can you say "effigy"?

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 Post subject: Re: According to ESPN radio
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^Why would Philly take that out on Andy Reid? Everyone knows the Defensive Coordinator is to blame, not the head coach.

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 Post subject: Re: According to ESPN radio
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Bye Gus! Good luck dude, you will definitely need it.

Not trying to be an ass but honestly I could care less about losing him. Next man up!



He's going for the money. If it were me personally. I would like the idea of being a coordinator on an up and coming franchise with ALL the upside in the world. Take the time and learn all the ins and outs from someone like Carroll, Schneider, hell, even Cable. Learn the subtle nuiances of what comes with the gig. Chances are he is going to struggle (not because of his skillset as a defensive coordinator) because of the mess Philly is in. And he will not get a free pass from the people of the City of Brotherly Love!!! They will eat him alive!!

I wish him the best of luck in his endeavours.

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 Post subject: Re: According to ESPN radio
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Congratulations are in order. This is the best day of Bradley's life.

I hope he makes it work, but something about that hire makes me think "fall guy." I hope I am wrong for his sake.


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 Post subject: Re: According to ESPN radio
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I think of Jim Zorn's hiring by the Redskins when thinking of how this may play out. Bradley seems like a decent guy. I think the media there is going to change how he interacts with them. Our guys here seem a little more respectful and probably wouldn't be asking Andy Reid whether he should be fired and how soon is he getting fired. Different market but I guess that is the cost of being the boss.

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