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  • If we get Tebow, we go from media darling to media circus. Don't want the distraction.

    Tebow also won't buy in unless he has a legit shot to win the job and be the starter. He should think about UFL or CFL
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Dennis Dixon.


    Bastard.
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  • pehawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Dennis Dixon.


    Bastard.


    You like Darron Thomas better? He could be had on the cheap!

    Actually i was being mostly serious about Dixon though. I think he's a pretty ideal backup. And to be honest, I dont expect Wilson to miss more then a handful of games in the next 10 years. He's just not a guy that puts himself in position to get injured, even though he's a running QB.

    And for the record, i'd be ecstatic if we drafted Denard Robinson. But not as a QB. I see him as a returner and maybe a safety or cornerback.
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  • Where was Dixon last year? Out of the league, right? Thats my concern.

    I'm not opposed.
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  • pehawk wrote:Where was Dixon last year? Out of the league, right? Thats my concern.

    I'm not opposed.


    I thought he was backing up Joe Flacco in Baltimore? But, I guess I might be wrong, havnt really followed him that closely.
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  • Dennis Dixon was on and off of Baltimore's PS this season and hasn't attempted an NFL pass since week 2 of the 2010 season.
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  • Vince Young would be a great backup. Seneca Wallace is old side but I think he may thrive in the read option offense. TJack train has left the station. Unless Tjack has gained immense decision making ability, he's a no go. No one on that list sticks out. Matt Scott of Arizona may be a potential mid-round pick (4 - 6 rounds) in the draft.
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  • SDHawk wrote:If we get Tebow, we go from media darling to media circus. Don't want the distraction.

    Tebow also won't buy in unless he has a legit shot to win the job and be the starter. He should think about UFL or CFL

    Well... I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to suggest it would be a distraction. I just don't see it. It was a distraction for the NYJ because they handled it all wrong. The media + the coaching staff lying to him. I think it's being a bit optimistic to say that the Seahawks are a media darling team. There were some who had to speak well of them (perhaps even though they didn't want to). Where I live... everyone hates the Seahawks. I have to put up with it all the time. They treat the Seahawks like a 2nd class team from a 2nd class city. My suggestion would be a very specific role (one that has been talked about with Tebow... to play FB or some other position that would maximize his strengths.) Tebow is a class individual and the only distraction would be what the media would try to project upon the team. What else is new? That doesn't bother Pete and it certainly doesn't bother the likes of Sherman, etc. If the guy adds another weapon... Seattle could be even more envied. I must admit that I wouldn't mind seeing a few southeasterners give the Seahawks some love because of their fondness for Tebow. Tebow is NOT T.O. Plus... NO ONE is going to say that he's going to Seattle to supplant Russell Wilson (nor would Wilson feel threatened like Mark Sanchez may have been.) Tebow would be a great teammate. Really, I can't see a negative. Sorry, I don't buy the distraction reason. Just doesn't fly. But... Seahawks fans... probably not worth discussing any further as it's just hypothetical. Just my 2 cents.
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  • Losing Flynn makes me feel very insecure about our future if Wilson was to go down.
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  • my list
    Matt Moore
    Chase Daniel
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    Tim Tebow (as a last resort)
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  • pehawk wrote:I know some will want to keep Flynn, but I think he gets traded. It makes to much cap sense, and it also goes along with this FO doing "right" by their players.

    Flynn wants to start, and I think the Seahawks FO will do whatever they can, within reason, to facilitate Flynn's preference. I'm a proud Seahawks fan for a lot of reasons, but I was really proud of how the FO treated Tavaris last preseason. He was traded instead of being released outright; to give him some dignity (maybe there's a better word choice there) on the way out. Tjax EARNED that type of exit...he's one classy and tough SOB.

    With all that, who would YOU want the Seahawks to bring in to back up Wilson? To keep this hypothetical within reasonable boundaries lets restrict it to 1 vet FA and 1 late round draft pick. Here’s a list of FA’s;

    Brian Hoyer – ARI
    Luke McCown – ATL
    Joe Flacco – BAL
    Tarvaris Jackson – BUF
    Tyler Thigpen – BUF
    Derek Anderson – CAR
    Jason Campbell – CHI
    Josh McCown – CHI
    Bruce Gradkowski – CIN
    Drew Stanton – IND
    Brady Quinn – KC
    Pat Devlin – MIA – (Ex)
    Matt Moore – MIA
    Chase Daniel – NO
    David Carr – NYG
    Matt Leinart – OAK
    Charlie Batch – PIT
    Byron Leftwich – PIT
    Kellen Clemens – STL
    Rex Grossman – WAS
    Vince Young – FA
    Sage Rosenfels – FA
    Seneca Wallace – FA
    Donovan McNabb – FA
    A.J. Feeley – FA
    Troy Smith – FA
    Chris Redman – FA
    John Beck – FA
    Stephen McGee – FA
    Jordan Palmer – FA
    J.P. Loseman – FA

    Of those, I’d LOVE Chase Daniels – but it would be a lateral move for him. So, as much as he’s ripped here, I’d prefer Tjack.

    For the developmental QB, I’d REALLY prefer Denard Robinson just to be a nice toy. But, there’s no way I’d trust him to play a game or two at the position. So, I’m going to go Colin Klein or….crybaby’s brother Jordan Rogers. Picking Rogers on a gut hunch. So my QB depth chart would be;

    1)Wilson
    2)Tjack
    3)JRogers

    You?


    After giving this some thought I am going to say that I would not one player on this list. I have not read the whole thread yet (maybe this has been suggested already).

    We trade up and sacrifice some picks--on top of money--to get the most elite replacements that we can find for some aging, but elite players. The one to two years they have to acclimate to this team should be perfect. I am thinking about a replacement for Marshawn in a couple years. Or--even better--maybe some new big guys (on both sides) like Star Lotulelei (DT) or Chance Warmack (OG). Those lads would be awesome...the only question is who needs someone like Flynn, some cash and maybe some later draft picks?

    umm...

    The Jags
    The Chiefs
    The Jets
    Philly?
    The Cards (Bad trade because Flynn knows where the bodies are buried--IOW, he knows our DNA)
    The Bills?

    Who knows? We have a shit load of bargaining power right now. I cannot remember a time when the Hawks held such beautiful, high-ground. Every room that Pete and John walk into this off-season, they immediately hold the advantage and can run the table. They are in a place to build the perfect and young beast, that will last for years to come.

    I have the flu right now, so I maybe speaking another language, but getting this off my chest seems to be making me feel a little better. Well, this, NyQuil, my lady and this stuff I just picked up called Northern Lights.
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  • 2. I think Seneca would thrive in this offense and he would never complain about being a back up I always really liked him and wanted him to succeed. :3: Now drool over Russ and Seneca pulling a little misdirection/wildcat/fleeflicker action. of course senecas like 83 now but very little use on him no hard miles on him anyway.

    3. Matt Jones QB AZ - is very athletic and has enjoyed his greatest success when rolling out and forcing defenders to account for his legs, while also possessing the arm strength and touch to scorch them if they lose coverage responsibilities. (Wilson Jr.)
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  • SeaHawk80 wrote:2. I think Seneca would thrive in this offense and he would never complain about being a back up I always really liked him and wanted him to succeed. :3: Now drool over Russ and Seneca pulling a little misdirection/wildcat/fleeflicker action. of course senecas like 83 now but very little use on him no hard miles on him anyway.

    3. Matt Jones QB AZ - is very athletic and has enjoyed his greatest success when rolling out and forcing defenders to account for his legs, while also possessing the arm strength and touch to scorch them if they lose coverage responsibilities. (Wilson Jr.)


    What about the big guys, on both sides of the ball? You know, a couple of young stars willing to learn the system and make this team that much closer to being complete.

    We have so many options right now, but we need two more big, durable and smart brawlers.
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  • I see a pretty large step down from Flynn to Vince Young. The reason why we are talking about being able to trade Flynn is because he is one of the better backups in the NFL, and you are going from that to a player who was not on an NFL roster this season.

    lukerguy wrote:The problem with this, my friend, is PC didn't say he wanted an experienced backup...he said he wanted someone who could do the things that RW can do, and that even Flynn can't do those things. He wants someone who's mobile. The read option really would be foreign to all veteran guys that you could sign- hell it was new to the NFL before Cam Newton.

    I addressed this earlier; Pete's comments along these lines struck me as in regards to the draft and were made in close proximity to him talking about the 10 draft picks. It makes perfect sense to take developmental guys that can excel in our system, but that does not exclude a veteran backup filling the #2 slot.

    lukerguy wrote:So, that to say, I value a veteran back up, but if PC wants a mobile QB, I would sure has heck rather draft a guy and hope he can learn than sign someone like Tavaris or V.Young.

    I only see two possibilities if we go with a rookie as our #2 this season. We could prepare him to start NFL games if needed by giving him a lot of snaps in the preseason that could otherwise be going to Wilson. Alternatively, we could give those snaps to Wilson anyway and risk having a completely under prepared rookie starting at the most important position on our team. Neither one of these seems like a good idea to me. Am I missing a possibility?
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  • Seneca Wallace? You people need to put down the bong! Boo..drugs are bad!

    Keep Flynn. No bad assumptions!

    Let me edit to elaborate...and not "attack the man".

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  • mikeak wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:Adam Schefter on ESPN just stated that there doesn't seem to be any interest in Flynn as a possible starter any where around the league with the possible exception of the Chiefs.


    Andy Reid - makes perfect sense if he goes for Flynn and I think he would make him a success

    Yeah Flynn would be a good choice for a true west coast system. I think he's a great fit with Reid and vice versa.
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  • TeamoftheCentury wrote:
    pcbball12 wrote:Matt Moore would be ideal. I would even consider Troy Smith....only because Pete talked about getting a backup that can do some of the things Russ can do. To me that means they are looking for a little athleticism. From the draft, I want Taylor Martinez as a project/3rd string guy (If he were to declare, which it is probably likely he returns for his senior year). Perfect skill set to run a similar offense if Russ were to go down.

    Unless we hear there is actual interest in trading for him... I'm more thinking that Flynn sticks around for at least another year in the backup role. But, to play along with all this for fun... this post makes the most sense to me. I've been thinking Matt Moore for awhile (ever since rumors started about a possible Flynn trade at the end of the season. But, Troy Smith and Martinez are also good calls. Are there other athletic QB's like Martinez if he doesn't declare? I'm going to hear howls of protest for saying this... but, here goes. IF Flynn is traded... I really, truly, seriously wouldn't mind seeing us bring in (gulp) Tim Tebow. I just think that of all the teams, Seattle would be the healthiest place for him and I think he and Russell Wilson would get along GREAT. Tebow could probably be talked into playing a TE / HB role like (if anyone remembers this guy...) Jim Jensen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jensen_(wide_receiver) Tebow could be the backup QB and Michael Robinson could be an emergency 3rd Stringer. I know, I know... some are going to say that's not enough QB's with arms for an NFL team. But, I just don't think Russell Wilson is replaceable. We're not going to get another Russell Wilson (or highly unlikely). I'm not saying that I want Tebow on the team just to have him on the team. I think he's a great football player... just not a great QB. Perhaps he could be serviceable if absolutely needed. I think Pete could be the positive coach that could get through to him to help him realize his potential as a football player... and perhaps guard him from the media (though, it's Tebow.) Perhaps some of that would take care of itself because they would want to interview RW instead. But, if they wanted Tebow interviews instead... maybe that gives RW even more time to gameplan to tear apart other teams. Ok... don't throw me under the bus for saying Tim Tebow. Just throwing it out there. Maybe it would work, maybe not. Might not be worth the circus, though. Pete doesn't seem to be afraid to bring players in to try (T.O., etc.)


    sorry. but I like tebow and I can buy into this. tebow and Wilson would get along famously. :179422:
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  • Well the problem I see is either mental or physical, Many of the others are athletes but are missing something or would have been higher rated starters or projected starters in the works.

    For a back up I think we need mental smarts and work ethic from there you then have to pick your physical poisens. Biggest aspect is that we don't want to be one dimentional if something were to happen to Wilson, we don't have to use the read option, but it would be nice to have someone that could use it and function in it.

    The other possible choice is a trade, Sanchez for Flynn, I feel won't happen because of his contract, same with Vick. I think keeping Flynn for another year is more practical if we are truly wanting to push for going for it next year.
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  • I think it's funny that I read the list and said "Chase Daniel and T-Jack" and then get to the bottom and see the OP says the same thing. Chase Daniel is a lot like Russ. He was a tremendous college QB, but was labeled "too short", even though he had a great arm and was a great leader. I think he is looking to take over for Brees someday though. T-Jack is an ideal backup. Hard worker, good guy, great teammate, strong, big, willing to support his team.

    I found it interesting at the end of the game that Flynn walked over to Russ and gave him a hug and said a couple of words to him like he was wishing him luck moving forward and saying his big adios. It was like how opposing QB's greet each other at midfield at the end of the game, but this was our own players. I think Flynn 100% knows he has no chance in Seattle, wishes them well, but wants to go away.
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  • Ryan Young... er, Vince Leaf?
    In an ideal world, Vince Young if a year out of football has given him a new outlook.
    So PC/JS should give him a look; the TO circus had no ill effects, so what the hell, why not.
    I just won't bet on it turning out successful.
    While we're at it, let's bring in Tebow for a look.

    Keep Flynn, unless we get a Godfather offer (one we can't refuse), and look to score a hit in the draft the next couple years. Washington unfortunately won't be willing to part with Kirk Cousins. TJack unfortunately can't seem to read defenses, but who knows. maybe Wilson could teach him. So let's go with TJack if we can get him really cheap. Seneca wouldn't be a bad deal either, and if nothing else, would be another receiving option.
    Does anyone else remember the UW vs. Baylor game where Keith Price made RGIII look like the "other" QB? Sure, Price has had ups and downs, but he'd be worth a 3rd or 4th draft pick if he declares.
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  • RG3 be a decent backup for Wilson.. ;)
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  • Personally, I'd like to keep Flynn as he gives us a very good backup. But if he has to go, how about a trade to Jacksonville for Chad Henne and a draft pick or one of their D linemen (I won't claim to know their roster well enough to know who would be a good one to go after). I think Chad could get you through a few games as long as we keep the passing attempts down and lean on the running game and play action. Then draft somebody like Matt Scott out of Arizona in the late rounds as a developmental guy.
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  • Tebow would be my choice. He would be overshadowed by Wilson in every way, avoiding the media problems, I don't think he would find a rabid fanbase here like he did from Bible belters, he would get along great with Wilson, and he fits most of the playbook. He's also a very hard worker, and would probably improve more by spending time with Wilson than he would anywhere else. Could even help Wilson out just by being a sounding board (no idea how smart Tebow is, but I think he'd be willing to play the part), where few other backup quarterbacks would stick with Wilson through his long hours watching film. I could also see him splitting time at a few positions if there is a need from injury, especially at tight end where I think he could be an elite player.

    If not Tebow, then I'd say go with a raw talent late in the draft or a UDFA.
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  • AgentDib wrote:I only see two possibilities if we go with a rookie as our #2 this season. We could prepare him to start NFL games if needed by giving him a lot of snaps in the preseason that could otherwise be going to Wilson. Alternatively, we could give those snaps to Wilson anyway and risk having a completely under prepared rookie starting at the most important position on our team. Neither one of these seems like a good idea to me. Am I missing a possibility?


    The only other possibility that comes to mind is the concept of learning something better when you have to teach it to someone else. What I mean is, now that Bevell is locked in, he and RW are going to be developing next year's playbook and sorting every little detail throughout the off-season. If we select a rookie in April, RW can take him under his wing and teach the rook, thereby solidifying RW's own comprehensive knowledge of the offense. As many hours as RW puts in on his own time, I'd be willing to bet the rookie would get quite a few snaps and an understanding of the playbook before training camp even starts. It all depends on whether the right guy is out there and available where JS/PC would want him. And I suppose, again with the right guy, that this approach would work with a young-ish veteran as well.
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  • m0ng0 wrote:Whats Dennis Dixon doing these days?


    Still complaining that he's not the starter in Pittsburgh. At least that's the last anybody heard from him.
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  • m0ng0 wrote:Whats Dennis Dixon doing these days?


    My thinking as well. Spent TE season on the Ravens practice squad.
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  • Pat White's going to attempt a comeback. He seems to think his NFL failings was due to his lack of commitment.

    He'd be worth a look-see.
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  • pehawk wrote:Pat White's going to attempt a comeback. He seems to think his NFL failings was due to his lack of commitment.

    He'd be worth a look-see.

    I remember the first time I saw him take an NFL hit. HEY -OOOOO! It looked like a grade schooler walked in traffic.
    It has to be such a rude awakening for the superior college athlete who has no inherent toughness the first time somebody smokes his ass.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    pehawk wrote:Pat White's going to attempt a comeback. He seems to think his NFL failings was due to his lack of commitment.

    He'd be worth a look-see.

    I remember the first time I saw him take an NFL hit. HEY -OOOOO! It looked like a grade schooler walked in traffic.
    It has to be such a rude awakening for the superior college athlete who has no inherent toughness the first time somebody smokes his ass.


    Exactly.

    With him, it appeared to be a toughness thing. He just wasn't an option in the Dolphins "Wild-pat". Pistol? Read option? Maybe...

    We'll have to ask Montanahawk to be sure, but, you may not be able to change your genitalia from an innie to an outy. If not, he'll be to running QB's what Brock Huard is to pocket passers. One of those "wow, if he had a pair the sky's the limit"
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  • pehawk wrote:I dont know Salamander.

    Alex Smith, Tebow, Shaub come to mind.


    Maybe your post was tongue in cheek but Schaub is a pro bowl QB, he chokes in big games but he's still a pro bowl qb. He's not backing anyone up next year.
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  • peachesenregalia wrote:I just don't think Vince Young's potential reward is worth the risk. I'm not diametrically opposed to it as many others on here are, but I just feel like there are much better options available for us without the risk of being a complete headcase.

    Vince's mouth gets him in trouble.

    Another thing I don't like about Vince is he tries to play hero too much, you want your backup QB to take care of the ball. When Vince started for the Eagles he threw so many interceptions.
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  • A 4th atleast.
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  • The Battle #83 wrote:Tebow. Jets messed up by making him bulk up. Him running the read option to give Wilson a breather will keep Wilson fresh in the playoffs

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  • The Battle #83 wrote:Tebow. Jets messed up by making him bulk up. Him running the read option to give Wilson a breather will keep Wilson fresh in the playoffs


    no way, are you talking about pulling Wilson out for a few plays during drives? Talk about messing up dudes rhythm and such! Did we not see what kind of trouble that causes when the Jets came here and got smacked?

    Even Pete had some things to say about the way they were pulling Sanchez out after 2 completed passes to have Tebow go in and screw up the game more!
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  • The Battle #83 wrote:Tebow. Jets messed up by making him bulk up. Him running the read option to give Wilson a breather will keep Wilson fresh in the playoffs


    No, Tebow wouldn't be run in like the downs syndrome kid from Snohomish High School, if brought to Seattle. He'd be a #2, period. And, actually, this offense matches his strengths. He wouldn't be asked to drop and throw to spots, drop, read, make a play.
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  • I'd want a veteran that can close out a game, sell play action, take a hit, and be accurate on at least intermediate routes. This team is good enough, Wilson is good enough, that it's hard to justify a young, developmental QB. You just want a guy that can beat teams that the Seahawks should beat.

    Scotte is right. Grossman makes some sense. Gradkowski would if he had an arm. He's a tough dude and good teammate by all accounts.
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  • What is the deal with Flynn? You guys paid a quite a bit for him after just one 500 yard performance. Did he not look good in camp or something? Us Niner fans were really confused when PC went with RW and not Flynn after what you guys paid for him.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:What is the deal with Flynn? You guys paid a quite a bit for him after just one 500 yard performance. Did he not look good in camp or something? Us Niner fans were really confused when PC went with RW and not Flynn after what you guys paid for him.


    His contract figures are kind of inflated.

    The rest of your post makes no sense. Its like questioning the Kap pick.
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  • Why not give Josh Porter a chance? I think he could run the read option. He's couldn't be much worst then some of these other QBs being suggested.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote: I imagine they'd want someone athletic enough to run the same offense as Wilson in the event he got injured. Tarvaris could probably do that.


    No, he could not, he's tough as hell, but he isn't even on the same planet cerebrally as RW, AND because if he could, there would have been no reason for going after Flynn.
    Seneca Wallace (except for his age) might be able to mimic RW somewhat, spread the ball around, and showed that he knew when to unload the ball when time ran out, Jackson?, he played one side of the field way too often.
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  • Colt McCoy. I rather have him then Seneca. As a back up I think he would do rather well. Young, got some experience and most likely cheap.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:What is the deal with Flynn? You guys paid a quite a bit for him after just one 500 yard performance. Did he not look good in camp or something? Us Niner fans were really confused when PC went with RW and not Flynn after what you guys paid for him.


    Flynn wasn't bad at all, he could've started for this team and we'd still be a playoff team. Just Wilson was THAT much better than him.
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