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 Post subject: Re: Assuming Flynn's traded - who do you want?
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Whichever one of those guys up there is most like Russell..that's who I want backing him up.

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Vince did some jawdropping things at Texas and with the Titans. His play and on-field enthusiasm (when not suicidal) are a definite match. Maybe a year away humbled him?


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Wasn't Vince Young begging Larry Fitzgerald for a job this season on Twitter?

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Vince did some jawdropping things at Texas and with the Titans. His play and on-field enthusiasm (when not suicidal) are a definite match. Maybe a year away humbled him?


I agree he did great things in College and at the Titans, but the risk still just seems a tad high to me.

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I think they almost have have to trade him. The pay difference is 700k vs 5-7 million.
There are good number of 3-6 million DL, TE we could get I suspect and a draft pick

Sadly trades are still pretty Rare unless it is for picks. So I'd take a 3rd-4th


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I'm with ya puppy. I think in this situation, the Seahawks may not have the leverage, depending on the cap hit. So, even a 5th is gravy.


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I would rather keep Flynn over a 7th round pick. A lot of that money was front loaded, he's had a year in our system, and his record as a backup is pretty good. Keeping him does not affect the third string developmental slot, since the salary of a late round pick is negligible. Obviously Flynn would like to start somewhere, but the #2 QB is always one play away from being the starter and the most important player on your team. Our running game and defense is too strong to risk a lost season from a single injury.

For the developmental slot I wouldn't mind an early round pick. I know that would freak people out, but with the rookie wage scale even our first round pick ($1.8 mil/year) and second round pick ($750k/year) can sit on the bench without screwing the salary cap. It's going to be tough for rookies to make our team next year anyway, and that #3 QB spot is a great place to spend draft capital. If the best player on our draft board is a QB then we should pull the trigger regardless of the round.

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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


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Well if I was jacksonville I would load up with Michael Vick, Vince Young, Tim Tebow and then try to get Reggie Bush and run the wildcat......

but we are Seattle Seahawks so I don't want any of those guys

Matt Moore hands down. Seneca Wallace as 2nd string is really cheap and allows us to work with a 5th rounder to see what can be made

Tjack - for obvious reasons

I would also be interested in the ones below. My whole thinking here is if you trade Flynn you are doing it for money saving only. Then don't go and sign a $3million guy - if you do the money saved isn't worth it

Drew Stanton – IND
Chase Daniel – NO
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Nobody on that list does it for me, so just keep Flynn.

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i just don't see flynn staying, he deserves a shot to start somewhere.. i'd take

Flacco out of the list..

it would be good to get seneca back in a seattle uni too....

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If it makes any difference in people's thinking, yesterday in Pete's presser he said he wanted another guy like Russell (in terms if mobility/play style/etc).

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I would take TJack back in a heartbeat.

He is a great lockerroom guy, tough as nails, and he is adequate if he needed to come in and play a game or two.

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I want Flynn to stay... Even at his price. Having that solid #2 can mean saving a season.

RW is incredible in that he finds a way to avoid the real big hit, but he does run at times.

While different, Flynn is the best option at #2. He gets rid of the ball quick and is accurate. Outside of some drops on longer passes in preseason, he moves the ball methodically down the field.

The only way I want anyone different is if PC can find a rookie in the draft that he liked as a possible recruit for USC, with starter potential. Frankly, if Flynn really WANTS out, then give him the option, but he is making good bank and playing behind Wilson carries no shame, obviously.

I guess simply put, I don't want Flynn to be replaced with someone that isn't as good as he is.

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My gut says Pete's playing hardball with the quarterback position right now. He knows he's in a good place, and holds all the cards on this one. There will be offers, but I can't see him entertaining any of them for less than a high pick, say in the range of a 1st or 2nd. Maybe a 3rd. He doesn't need to, and so he won't. If they want Flynn that bad, they're going to have to pay out the nose for him.

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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

Not when you consider that Wilson's cap hit is $600k. Wilson, Flynn and a 2nd round QB (Wilson #2?) strike me as a very strong QB group for $9 million total cap space. Moving forward, Flynn's cap space can be used for Wilson and/or the developmental guy.

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There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.

Obviously I would give a lot for that to be true and Wilson has done a great job of protecting himself on slides. I simply think our defense and running game are too good for us to risk a 2011 Colts debacle.

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If it makes any difference in people's thinking, yesterday in Pete's presser he said he wanted another guy like Russell (in terms if mobility/play style/etc).

I felt like he was talking about the draft at that point, and the potential #3 QB. I would not feel comfortable going with just Wilson and a rookie. Teams like veteran backups because they can be ready to come in without taking a lot of snaps away from the starter, and I want Wilson to get as many snaps as possible this next preseason.

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TJack. He's no superstar, but he's shown he can keep a lead and win some games. Look up the definition of serviceable, and there he is.


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@AgentDib: I think he was talking about the draft as well, just thought I'd throw that out there for the sake of discussion.

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Ha.

You should REALLY try to do the same thing next year with another player and position, that you did with Flynn this year. Maybe Obo or Butler? Every year argue with all of us over someone who should be starting. It'd be hysterical - and by that time no one will know its a ruse.

BIG PROPS to you for laughing at yourself and allowing us to laugh too. For real, big props.


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Given what has been said from the FO, they plan on taking a QB every year in the draft, I could see trading Flynn for a 2nd and drafting a QB like Matt Scott, in the 4th or 5th.

As far as having a backup thats already in the league, IMO Flynn is the best option so, if the FO wants to have a vetern presence backing up Wilson, they will stick with Flynn, unless someone offers way to much (which won't happen)

But I could see a 2nd for Flynn due to weak QB class, and lots of QB needy teams.


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Like it's been said earlier, our FO wants the best for all our guys. Flynn will never be the starter here and he has the ability to be a Matt Schaub type QB for some team. I think if they can get a reasonable deal for him they would do it for a)Flynn's sake b)cap room c)draft ammo.

If Buffalo goes in a different direction at QB, I wouldn't mind taking Fitz for cheap if he doesn't get any better looks. He's been a starter for awhile and could be a good backup I think.


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I'll spend a 4-5th rounder as our back up to make sure he's cheap, and can run the same stuff RW runs.

EJ Manuel fits the bill for me.

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I will take T Jack because most of the Seahawks are familiar with him and respect him. I really think the choice in trading him away this past year had a lot to do with what they are paying Flynn. Flynn probably does want a chance to start somewhere, so maybe he follows Bradley since it looks like Gus is gone.

I am also willing to bet T Jack would be okay with being older and yet capable of learning from Wilson. And last, dude is all class and if we get a ring, why not let him get one too?

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I would have said Ryan Nassib if you posed this question a month or so ago, but it appears that interest in him is rising to the point of at least a Day 2 pick - too high for a backup


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Nasib SHOULD be a day 3 guy. The fact he isn't makes trading Flynn more possible, no matter what anyone else says. This isn't a year with 4 1st round QB's like last year. If flynn was a FA this year, he'd get A LOT more money.


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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


I remember Peyton being out for awhile recently - how did that work out?

I remember Brady being out for a season and while you don't mention him I have to consider him very durable

Guys gets injured a superbowl caliber team should at least still be in the playoff hunt


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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


I remember Peyton being out for awhile recently - how did that work out?

I remember Brady being out for a season and while you don't mention him I have to consider him very durable

Guys gets injured a superbowl caliber team should at least still be in the playoff hunt


Really? Peyton got hurt at 35, after being injury-free over a decade. For real man, that's the dumbest reply I've seen in sometime. Just plain dumb, it missed the point.

Way to contribute to the thread with your ideas at QB. You should have a blog.


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I'll spend a 4-5th rounder as our back up to make sure he's cheap, and can run the same stuff RW runs. EJ Manuel fits the bill for me.

How many snaps do you give that 4th-5th rounder rookie then in order to make sure he knows what to do if called on? Would EJ Manuel be ready to win NFL games as a rookie in a new system even if we gave him half of the snaps in training camp? Finally, how much does giving that many snaps to somebody besides Russell Wilson for the second consecutive year slow down Wilson's growth as our franchise QB? I know that sounds like a lot of questions, but I am stunned by all the fans that put little to no value in having a veteran backup.

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Dib, good stuff. IIRC, kearly listed Flynn's hit as $7M in '13. That change your mind?

There's no way to know for sure, but Wilson seems like an Eli, Peyton, Marino type player who will avoid injury.


I remember Peyton being out for awhile recently - how did that work out?

I remember Brady being out for a season and while you don't mention him I have to consider him very durable

Guys gets injured a superbowl caliber team should at least still be in the playoff hunt


Really? Peyton got hurt at 35, after being injury-free over a decade. For real man, that's the dumbest reply I've seen in sometime. Just plain dumb, it missed the point.

Way to contribute to the thread with your ideas at QB. You should have a blog.


Since you decided to not have a polite discussion - way to understand a point maybe you should go back to reading cartoons instead. Any qb can get injured from one hit. Brady has hardly been out at all and one hit he was out for a season. Peyton missed all of pre-season one year and the timing was off next year. He got hit and missed a whole season and the team tanked - the point was that regardless of durability you can't bank your whole freaking team on one player and have a horrible backup like Chicago now did two years in a row.

My ideas on qb was in a prior post and better than "I don't THINK RW will get injured so we don't even need a backup" thought process...


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That actually wasn't my idea, at all.


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So what was your highly valuable post about then that provided such great information? You either are of the belief that RW won't get injured and we can throw any crap in there as backup or your post about how other qb's weren't getting injured has zero value.

Which is it?

It is a F-ing message board where we exchange ideas and thoughts about OUR team. Your reply post to me was uncalled for and while you may disagree you brought nothing to the table. You can call me sensitive but I call this bs out here and elsewhere when it doesn't add any value and doesn't belong in the kind of discussion that is going on


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I know some will want to keep Flynn, but I think he gets traded. It makes to much cap sense, and it also goes along with this FO doing "right" by their players.

Flynn wants to start, and I think the Seahawks FO will do whatever they can, within reason, to facilitate Flynn's preference. I'm a proud Seahawks fan for a lot of reasons, but I was really proud of how the FO treated Tavaris last preseason. He was traded instead of being released outright; to give him some dignity (maybe there's a better word choice there) on the way out. Tjax EARNED that type of exit...he's one classy and tough SOB.
You?

There is no Quarterbacks that can cerebrally duplicate Wilson, not even RGIII.
And although I believe there would be a big drop-off if Russell Wilson were to be out for awhile, I'd look for a playing style I think would best fit the mode of play by the Seahawks Offense/Wilson.
How old is Seneca?, I like TJ, and maybe a developmental guy like maybe Portis.
BUT, I think Robinson would fill in at #3 if needed.


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IIRC: Clayton said the hit for Flynn would be 5mil, with 2 or 3 mil guaranteed.

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I'd take Gradkowski and Matt Moore off that list for certain.

Not sure about Chase Daniel.

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Adam Schefter on ESPN just stated that there doesn't seem to be any interest in Flynn as a possible starter any where around the league with the possible exception of the Chiefs.


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keith price for the win!

Keith Price for yet another interception is more like it.
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Adam Schefter on ESPN just stated that there doesn't seem to be any interest in Flynn as a possible starter any where around the league with the possible exception of the Chiefs.


Andy Reid - makes perfect sense if he goes for Flynn and I think he would make him a success


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The $7.25 mil cap number is from Spotrac. I'm not sure how accurate it is.

The logic for the #3 guy is not as much about emergency usage but more about investment in the future. You want your #3 QB to be a young really high ceiling/low floor guy who may range from never seeing a snap in the NFL to being a franchise QB. It's a low cost high upside strategy that warrants a spot on the 53 man roster if you have a solid candidate.

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Flynn would IMMEDIATELY make KC at least a 8 win team. They could take Barkley or Smith, if they can convince some rube too trade up.


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Brian Hoyer, Josh Portis and (from the draft) Sean Renfree of Duke.


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Matt Moore would be my preference, but I suspect he wants to go somewhere that gives him a chance to start. Chase Daniel isn't bad, he's like a low draft projection of Aaron Murray from Georgia.


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Renfree, interesting. I like the fact he played for that staff. And, he certainly fits the projection of 3rd day.


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I think you want a mobile QB like RW so he can run the same type of offense if RW gets hurt. A guy who fits that mould is is Tyler Thigpen in Buffalo. He is an athletic QB who had a lot of success out of the pistol offense in KC during the 2008-09 season, and knows how to run around. He ran for almost 400 yards that season and passed for 2600 yards in about 12-14 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Assuming Flynn's traded - who do you want?
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I like TJ, and in a pinch Rex Grossman has lots of play action and bootleg experience.

Today on Sirius John Schneider did say they will be open to offers on Flynn.

As for Schefter's tweet, there is no market forquarterbacks right now. None. Because right now, there is no market for anyone. And until head coaching jobs are all filled, and free agency is about to begin, the market will not develop much. When some teams began to realize they aren't likely to get some coveted rookie, a market for Flynn will open. Jacksonville, Arizona, Raiders (who need to get cap room and ditching Palmer will help get that room), KC, Jets, Buffalo, all places that may want his services.

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I like TJ, and in a pinch Rex Grossman has lots of play action and bootleg experience.


Dude, tell me you're joking on Grossman. Please? I understand, you guys each have the same "I'm surprised" eyebrow expression, but, no, Scott.

What's happening? What is this world coming to? You call grossman RG3, and got offended when Bob Griffin stole that monicker, huh?


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 Post subject: Re: Assuming Flynn's traded - who do you want?
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pehawk wrote:
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I like TJ, and in a pinch Rex Grossman has lots of play action and bootleg experience.


Dude, tell me you're joking on Grossman. Please? I understand, you guys each have the same "I'm surprised" eyebrow expression, but, no, Scott.

What's happening? What is this world coming to? You call grossman RG3, and got offended when Bob Griffin stole that monicker, huh?

Dead serious. Rex has an under rated deep ball and a great play action fake. Yes, he is completely daft, but he has the tools for our system. In a pinch.

I knew this would get flamed. I am still right.

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 Post subject: Re: Assuming Flynn's traded - who do you want?
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Jeff Blake had a great deep ball too. As good as Rexies deep ball.

He does have a good deep ball, yes. I just haven't seen him do a thing outside of that.

I'm sorry Scott, we're officially through now. I'm going to start seeing other posters. No, no, no dont look at me like that. It's not you, its me.

Any draft guys that got your fancy?


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