| Author |
Message |
|
mikeak
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home?  Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:21 pm |
|
| NET Veteran |
 |
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:24 pm
Posts: 1451
|
IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: mikeak wrote: IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: Suh isn't going anywhere this year. His contract included $40 million guaranteed. He still has $19 million of that left to be paid (based on cap number, not what he's actually received). His cap hit for next year jumps from $6.56 to $17.2 million. However if he is traded ALL of that guaranteed money becomes a 2012 cap hit. Basically if Detroit keeps him his cap number is $17.2 million. If Detroit trades him, his cap number is $19 million and he's not on the team. Not going to happen. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/Please educate me one bit further as I don't understand this. Isn't the cap hit only if they cut him? If Seahaws trades for him they would pay the $19 million and it would go off the Detroit books. He didn't get a signing bonus so it isn't like money is split over the years and needs to be picked up as well....... With that said this front office doesn't want to spend big and use all the cap space on one player - draft well build that way is how everything to this point have been made Curious do you trade Browner straight up (what a cap relief) and hope to pick up another 5th rounder...... Any money that is labeled as "guaranteed" when a contract is signed means two things: 1. the player will receive that money no matter what happens and 2. as a result that money will ALL have to be accounted for with the salary cap. It would actually make more sense to release Suh if he is not going to be on the team, but they would have to wait until June 1st to do so. For players that are released after June 1st the team can choose to take the cap hit during that year, or can cut it in half and take half of the cap hit the following year (unless something changed with the last CBA that I'm not aware of). They are not trading Browner. His cap number for next year is $550K. That is peanuts. I still think that if Detroit trades him to Seattle then Seattle pays the guaranteed money and it will NOT count against Detroit cap. It won't count twice the union would never have allowed for that. This is not an issue of cutting Suh it is an issue of trading him.
|
|
  |
|
 |
|
Wenhawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:15 pm |
|
| NET Veteran |
 |
|
Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:38 am
Posts: 1288
|
|
I'd give up our 1st and 2nd plus next years 2nd. I think we could get a 3rd for Flynn. If our #1 and #2 needs are Pass rush DT and another DE. and we drafted them 1st and 2nd round I doubt they would have nearly the same impact Suh would have.
With a 3rd, 4th, 2x 5th, 6th 2x 7th, and mabye another 3rd from Flynn we can still get soem depth at TE, WR, LB, OL, and DL. With 18Mil in cap room this year why not bring him in and pay him big money up front.
Why did you even bring this up now all I can think about is how incredible our defense would be with a monster like Suh.
_________________  Beastquake with epic commentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_Vd43Vxa0
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Seahawk Sailor
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:21 pm |
|
| * Navy Badass * |
 |
 |
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:23 am
Posts: 16465
Location: Bothell
|
|
Draft the next Suh in the first or second round of this year's draft. Better and cheaper.
_________________ I blog, I tweet. When I'm not writing or goofing around on Seahawks.NET.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
pehawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:22 pm |
|
| * Report Button * |
 |
|
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 7032
|
Seahawk Sailor wrote: Draft the next Suh in the first or second round of this year's draft. Better and cheaper. Is it really? WTH are we waiting for then! Guys like Suh, and his dad Cortez Kennedy, come out once a decade or so.
_________________
@ryanadamdavis
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Sarlacc83
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:29 pm |
|
| * NET Philistine * |
 |
|
Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 8:02 am
Posts: 10477
Location: Portland, OR
|
Seahawk Sailor wrote: Draft the next Suh in the first or second round of this year's draft. Better and cheaper. Yeah, Sailor, you know that's not going to happen. There's no way GMs would pass on a player with Suh's measurables for nearly two rounds. No way. (And don't bring up Russell Wilson because he's the exception.)
_________________
My single greatest contribution to the board: "42-13" (formerly 24-14)
|
|
| |
|
|
|
kearly
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:43 pm |
|
| * Mr Random Thought * |
 |
|
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:44 am
Posts: 7402
|
Seahawk Sailor wrote: Draft the next Suh in the first or second round of this year's draft. Better and cheaper. Satire?  Guys with physical talent like Suh's would never escape the top 5 picks. And seriously, this is the worst draft for DT I've seen in years. DE isn't a whole lot better, unfortunately. I do see the next Zach Miller and Roddy White reaching our #25 pick though. Great year to pick late, just not for DL. _________________  "I believe there’s merit to the idea that once something in life becomes conventional, it’s no longer the safest path to success." -Matt Waldman "If everyone's thinking alike, no one's thinking." -Bill Walsh
|
|
| |
|
|
|
pehawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm |
|
| * Report Button * |
|
|
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 7032
|
|
I'd REALLY like to get resolution on the cap ramifications, for each side.
We've had a few birdies inform us that Suh's a quiet cat off the field. A homebody who WANTS to play for Seattle. It's a huge need for Seattle. Detroit has lots of problems aside from just concnerns over Suh. AND, they invested a high draft pick to their defensive interior just two years ago. For all that, it makes sense.
C'mon, we can will this to happen, right folks? Anyone have a copy of "The Secret" lying around?
_________________
@ryanadamdavis
|
|
| |
|
|
|
The Battle #83
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:54 pm |
|
| NET Rookie |
 |
|
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:42 pm
Posts: 199
Location: Rival Country
|
|
It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him
_________________  sig by Ramster
|
|
| |
|
|
|
pehawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:57 pm |
|
| * Report Button * |
|
|
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 7032
|
The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him You sound like fans from 31 other teams speaking about Browner and Sherman.
_________________
@ryanadamdavis
|
|
| |
|
|
|
CANHawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:00 pm |
|
| * Gangnameister * |
 |
|
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:29 pm
Posts: 8952
Location: Vancouver BC, Canada
|
pehawk wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him You sound like fans from 31 other teams speaking about Browner and Sherman. If Suh actually became a Seahawk, I'd name my next born child after him. Which is really saying something because I can neither spell or pronounce Nahdomukhuwong properly.
_________________
Hodor Hodor Hodor. HODOR HODOR!! Hodor? Hodor...? HODOR HODOR!? Hodor.....
|
|
| |
|
|
|
pehawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:02 pm |
|
| * Report Button * |
|
|
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:08 pm
Posts: 7032
|
CANHawk wrote: pehawk wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him You sound like fans from 31 other teams speaking about Browner and Sherman. If Suh actually became a Seahawk, I'd name my next born child after him. Which is really saying something because I can neither spell or pronounce Nahdomukhuwong properly. And, you'd have a hard time conceiving the way you "do it". So, that IS saying something.
_________________
@ryanadamdavis
|
|
| |
|
|
|
The Battle #83
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:02 pm |
|
| NET Rookie |
|
|
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:42 pm
Posts: 199
Location: Rival Country
|
pehawk wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him You sound like fans from 31 other teams speaking about Browner and Sherman. Oh please, they don't stomp on people or kick people in the nuts like Suh. _________________ sig by Ramster
|
|
| |
|
|
|
razgriz737
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:04 pm |
|
| NET Veteran |
 |
|
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:12 pm
Posts: 719
Location: Seattle (From Spokane)
|
The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him At this point, Pete bringing in "dirty players" doesn't really worry me anymore. Marshawn, Mike Williams, Bruce Irvin, Braylon Edwards, and TO were all given that label at some point, and none of those guys backfired as far as I can tell. They have either succeeded or were shown the door, but there haven't been any visible issues as far as I can tell, I think... If Pete wants to bring in a guy like Suh, or (god forbid) Dockett, more power to him. I'll root for just about any Seahawk.
_________________
"It wasn't just a dimb coincidence lik you probably tgought. They tested what makes you a fat slov and those colors won just like Emerald is telling you what happens be t...... next!" -- jamsomatic
My 2013 adopt-a-rookie: #humblethug
Last edited by razgriz737 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
CANHawk
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:04 pm |
|
| * Gangnameister * |
|
|
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:29 pm
Posts: 8952
Location: Vancouver BC, Canada
|
The Battle #83 wrote: pehawk wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him You sound like fans from 31 other teams speaking about Browner and Sherman. Oh please, they don't stomp on people or kick people in the nuts like Suh. dude. have you SEEN Brandon Browner play corner? He gave Braylon Edwards the jacknife power bomb last year. Just last week he swung Pierre Garcon around by his head. BB is a BAD man.
_________________
Hodor Hodor Hodor. HODOR HODOR!! Hodor? Hodor...? HODOR HODOR!? Hodor.....
|
|
| |
|
|
|
The Battle #83
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:08 pm |
|
| NET Rookie |
|
|
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:42 pm
Posts: 199
Location: Rival Country
|
razgriz737 wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him At this point, Pete bringing in "dirty players" doesn't really worry me anymore. Marshawn, Mike Williams, Bruce Irvin, Braylon Edwards, and TO were all given that label at some point, and none of those guys backfired as far as I can tell. They have either succeeded or were shown the door, but there haven't been any visible issues as far as I can tell, I think... If Pete wants to bring in a guy like Suh, or (god forbid) Dockett, more power to him. I'll root for just about any Seahawk. Never heard of the dirty label given to Braylon or TO. I heard aout character issues, but not dirty players _________________ sig by Ramster
|
|
| |
|
|
|
razgriz737
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:10 pm |
|
| NET Veteran |
|
|
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:12 pm
Posts: 719
Location: Seattle (From Spokane)
|
The Battle #83 wrote: razgriz737 wrote: The Battle #83 wrote: It would be cool to get a player like Suh, but he's a dirty player. Dont think i could root for him At this point, Pete bringing in "dirty players" doesn't really worry me anymore. Marshawn, Mike Williams, Bruce Irvin, Braylon Edwards, and TO were all given that label at some point, and none of those guys backfired as far as I can tell. They have either succeeded or were shown the door, but there haven't been any visible issues as far as I can tell, I think... If Pete wants to bring in a guy like Suh, or (god forbid) Dockett, more power to him. I'll root for just about any Seahawk. Never heard of the dirty label given to Braylon or TO. I heard aout character issues, but not dirty players My bad, I just meant "trouble players". Be it on the field issues/off the field issues/locker room cancer type guys, or whatever. I don't really know the exact term. I personally just lump all those guys into one generic category.
_________________
"It wasn't just a dimb coincidence lik you probably tgought. They tested what makes you a fat slov and those colors won just like Emerald is telling you what happens be t...... next!" -- jamsomatic
My 2013 adopt-a-rookie: #humblethug
|
|
| |
|
|
|
The Battle #83
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:15 pm |
|
| NET Rookie |
|
|
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:42 pm
Posts: 199
Location: Rival Country
|
|
^^^
Gotcha. I agree that plers who are deemed as cancers wouldn't be cancers on the team because they would be on a tight leash
_________________ sig by Ramster
|
|
| |
|
|
|
IBleedBlueAndGreen
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:22 pm |
|
| * NET Injury Guru * |
 |
|
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:56 am
Posts: 1183
Location: Poulsbo, WA
|
mikeak wrote: IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote: Suh isn't going anywhere this year. His contract included $40 million guaranteed. He still has $19 million of that left to be paid (based on cap number, not what he's actually received). His cap hit for next year jumps from $6.56 to $17.2 million. However if he is traded ALL of that guaranteed money becomes a 2012 cap hit. Basically if Detroit keeps him his cap number is $17.2 million. If Detroit trades him, his cap number is $19 million and he's not on the team. Not going to happen. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/Any money that is labeled as "guaranteed" when a contract is signed means two things: 1. the player will receive that money no matter what happens and 2. as a result that money will ALL have to be accounted for with the salary cap. It would actually make more sense to release Suh if he is not going to be on the team, but they would have to wait until June 1st to do so. For players that are released after June 1st the team can choose to take the cap hit during that year, or can cut it in half and take half of the cap hit the following year (unless something changed with the last CBA that I'm not aware of). I still think that if Detroit trades him to Seattle then Seattle pays the guaranteed money and it will NOT count against Detroit cap. It won't count twice the union would never have allowed for that. This is not an issue of cutting Suh it is an issue of trading him. After doing some more research it looks like you're correct and I am wrong. I believe that only the "Signing Bonus" is accelerated when a player is traded. Accelerated = counts against the cap immediately. If there is remaining guaranteed money that is an "option bonus" or "roster bonus" as is the case with Ndamukong then the team acquiring him assumes all responsibilities for that money. So with that in mind (pay attention here pehawk, you're going to like this) the Hawks could trade for Suh and it would count almost nothing against the cap for the Lions in 2013. The problem is the Hawks would then be responsible for the $19 million guaranteed in his contract. His current cap number for next season is more than $17 million so the only way I could see this happening is if Suh we're willing to re-do his deal with the Hawks upon arriving. _________________  The NFL need to start fining QB's that throw the ball across my middle... #DangerZone -Kam Chancellor
|
|
| |
|
|
|
SeaWolv
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:37 pm |
|
| NET Rookie |
 |
|
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:31 am
Posts: 151
|
Jazzhawk wrote: I think Suh would excel here...and be kept in check with his attitude as well. I live in Michigan now and get to see a healthy dose of Suh and that guy is a cancer. I don't want him in a Hawks jersey.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
mikeak
|
Post subject: Re: What would it cost to bring Suh home? Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:45 pm |
|
| NET Veteran |
|
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:24 pm
Posts: 1451
|
|
cancer can be cured
and on the signing bonus. I actually think this can be taken on by the team that receives the player as well. This was a big issue when Tebow went from Jets to Denver who would pay the part of the signing bonus for this year. I think whoever picks up the check for that portion gets it against the cap. Now if you cut a player different animal
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Users browsing this forum: Alexa [Bot], bloodkingg, Deterrence, Dismas, gladdy206, Google [Bot], HighlandHawk, ivotuk, JaiSeaSea, kaygojinghi, Majestic-12 [Bot], MichaelHawk70, scutterhawk, Seahawk Sailor, Seahawksfan425 and 89 guests |
| |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|
