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 Post subject: Offseason Free Agency Addition Thoughts ...
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After licking my wounds somewhat, I'm moving in to full on Offseason Mode. So, I've just started parusing through the potential Free Agent lists (seeing who might hit the market). I think that most of us can agree that Defensive End/Line is our #1 Offseason Priority -- and interestingly enough, it looks like there is a shot that we could actually address that through Free Agency. Here are a list of intriguing names that I've found so far that could hit the market ...

DE Michael Johnson (Bengals) (would be my dream addition, though I know from past experience that the Bengals owner has a long history of not letting guys go. He had 11.5 Sacks this season and at 25 years old, could be just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. Given the Seahawks position on where they're going to be drafting, he just might be worth signing even if he has the Franchise Tag on him though.)

DE Paul Kruger (Ravens) (He had 8 sacks this season. Honestly, he could potentially pop free as Ravens QB Joe Flacco is a FA and will be their #1 offseason priority.)

DE Michael Bennett (Buccaneers) (I think the Bucs will try to retain him, but here again is another high motor huge upside guy who generates a lot of pressure. Again, given the Seahawks position where they're going to be drafting, he just might be worth signing even if he has the Franchise Tag on him.)

DE Cliff Avril (Lions) (Avril is another guy who really intrigues me. He finished with 9.5 Sacks on the season and has been very productive over the past 3 years. Definitely worth a look see if he becomes available)

other names of interest as far as Interior Linemen who might be available ...

DT/DE Henry Melton (Bears) (one of the top Defensive Linemen in the game. He's a very disruptive force on the line. He probably gets the Franchise Tag, but we'll see what happens)

DT/DE Randy Starks (Dolphins) (on this roster, he'd be a Jason Jones type. Still, that wouldn't be all that bad of an addition.)

Just a few names there whom I found interesting.

Any free agents you guys find personally attractive targets (WR's, DE's, LB's, CB's, etc.)


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I have heard great things about Paul Kruger. Gimme.


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Michael Bennett. His second go 'round with the Hawks will be as it should have been the first time. Guys a wrecking ball.


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Michael Bennett. His second go 'round with the Hawks will be as it should have been the first time. Guys a wrecking ball.


Well we obviously know that Bennett is a guy that the coaching staff likes (since he WAS brought in here before). It's amazing to see what he's morphed in to ... going from UDFA to a guy who had 9 Sacks and 10 Tackles for Loss -- THAT'S the kind of production that we really need out of that position. Of course he was cut loose back in 2009 to make room for Kyle Williams from the Practice Squad. There's one you find yourself asking -- If only ...

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I have heard great things about Paul Kruger. Gimme.


Kruger wouldn't be bad ... I don't like him as much as a Bennett or Michael Johnson ... but I like him as well. As I mentioned, one thing to keep in mind with Kruger is that he actually MIGHT hit the FA Market, as the Ravens could very well end up spending all their available FA $$$ on Joe Flacco. So, that one's actually a realistic possibility.


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I'm going with Starks. Throw all the money you have at him, that guy can make the difference for this seahawks team. Draft another every-down DE type (Clemons mold) and watch them fly.

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Bennett will likely stay in Tampa. Young + Good = no brainer for them. If Tampa is stupid and lets him test the waters, the Seahawks need to be in on it. Pete Carroll was not in Seattle the last time Bennett was here, but Bradley was. That could come into play, either for or against Bennett.

Kruger will stay if Baltimore has the money, but it's possible they might not. They currently have just 9 million in projected cap room, and if they end up being forced to tag Flacco, they will have to work some serious cap wizardry to keep Kruger. That said, Kruger doesn't fit Seattle. He's too small to be a 5-tech and (way) too slow to be a LEO. He's a natural OLB for Baltimore's unorthodox style of 3-4. He may not stay in Baltimore, but I would be surprised if he landed in Seattle.

Michael Johnson is a good, well rounded DE. He lacks the kind of blistering speed Pete likes, so I have a hard time seeing much interest there unless Pete scraps the Red Bryant experiment and makes Johnson his new strong side end (which seems doubtful). I doubt the Bengals let him get away anyway.

Cliff Avril is very similar to Chris Clemons, and would be a huge get for the Seahawks. The Lions have been fighting hard to retain Avril, using the franchise tag on him last year. However, you get the feeling that Avril wants to hit UFA and get his payday, and the Lions wouldn't likely double franchise him. If Seattle offers a big contract, Avril could be there for the taking. I wouldn't blink if Avril was available.

1-tech, 3-tech, 5-tech, Randy Starks can do it all. He's 29 years old, and that will likely impact his value on the market. That said, you have to think Miami will make a huge push to keep him, and using the franchise tag could be a legitimate option. Starks gives Seattle flexibility and a could be a solution if Red Bryant's foot problems persist. He should be strongly considered if available.

I'd be surprised if Melton hit UFA. Franchise tag seems likely.


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I wish that we replace Red Bryant's position with a guy like Michael Johnson.

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Kruger is an absolute Beast! I would love to get that guy!

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Avril should give 80% of his new contract to Suh. We'll see, but my gut tells me Avril produces because of teammates, nothing more.


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I have heard great things about Paul Kruger. Gimme.

He is definitely one I've aways enjoyed watching and have wished he was a part of the Seahawks. But I'm also pretty sure the Ravens want to keep him.

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Moreso than any player acquisition, I am wondering if we have seen the last of the Red Bryant experiment? It's killing our pass rush. We cannot keep donating a valuable defensive position to science.

Irvin will be fine as a situational pass rusher, but not an every down player.

But I wonder why they seem so determined to keep pushing this Bryant thing? Don't get me wrong - I love me some Red. I just think it's diminishing returns for our pass rush.

We have GOT to be able to collapse a pocket and pressure a QB, in any environment and not just at C Link. We need a penetrating DT to help with that.

It will be interesting to see how they approach free agency and the draft this time. Pass rush, DT, WR and OL are all areas that need attention.

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Moreso than any player acquisition, I am wondering if we have seen the last of the Red Bryant experiment? It's killing our pass rush. We cannot keep donating a valuable defensive position to science.

Irvin will be fine as a situational pass rusher, but not an every down player.

But I wonder why they seem so determined to keep pushing this Bryant thing? Don't get me wrong - I love me some Red. I just think it's diminishing returns for our pass rush.

We have GOT to be able to collapse a pocket and pressure a QB, in any environment and not just at C Link. We need a penetrating DT to help with that.

It will be interesting to see how they approach free agency and the draft this time. Pass rush, DT, WR and OL are all areas that need attention.


I agree that it is not working out with Red, but we just gave him a $35 million contract right? I don't think we can or would cut bait a year after doing that.

What I would not give for a defensive scheme that could consistently generate a pass rush...


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Would love Randy Starks ... he'd be a dream come true in this defense.

My free agent wish list is..

1A) Randy Starks
1B) Greg Jennings

Either one of those guys would be fannnntastic.

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I'm NOT the type to say the following type statements; but why change the #1 scoring defense, i.e. Red? Yes, the lack of a pass rush hurt us yesterday, but not as much as TonyG and Matt Ryan making all-pro plays in tight windows.


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Moreso than any player acquisition, I am wondering if we have seen the last of the Red Bryant experiment? It's killing our pass rush. We cannot keep donating a valuable defensive position to science.

Irvin will be fine as a situational pass rusher, but not an every down player.

But I wonder why they seem so determined to keep pushing this Bryant thing? Don't get me wrong - I love me some Red. I just think it's diminishing returns for our pass rush.

We have GOT to be able to collapse a pocket and pressure a QB, in any environment and not just at C Link. We need a penetrating DT to help with that.

It will be interesting to see how they approach free agency and the draft this time. Pass rush, DT, WR and OL are all areas that need attention.


I agree that it is not working out with Red, but we just gave him a $35 million contract right? I don't think we can or would cut bait a year after doing that.

What I would not give for a defensive scheme that could consistently generate a pass rush...


I don't want to cut bait with him - I'm thinking of more of working him back to his natural position at DT. Perhaps with more experience now he can be better there.

I don't know. It's amazing we invested $35 million -- is his unique position THAT valuable?? It sure doesn't seem to be working.

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I'm NOT the type to say the following type statements; but why change the #1 scoring defense, i.e. Red? Yes, the lack of a pass rush hurt us yesterday, but not as much as TonyG and Matt Ryan making all-pro plays in tight windows.


That's just the problem, Ryan - if the QB wasn't able to sit in the pocket all day long he would have had a much more difficult time completing those passes. But of course, I do concede that the Falcons are damn good at throwing the ball.

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Even without pressure, the Seahawks defense forced Ryan and Gonzalez to do the improbable. Sometimes the opposition just makes incredible plays. Hats off to them.


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I definitely think Bryant needs to stick around. I would not be opposed to moving him back inside. Moving yes, cutting bait absolutely not.


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If you boys and girls want to keep this string going about free agency stuff I won't object. But is you all start posting different posts about different players expect them to all be moved to the NFL Forum.

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If you boys and girls want to keep this string going about free agency stuff I won't object. But is you all start posting different posts about different players expect them to all be moved to the NFL Forum.

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The two are totally related. Which free agent we may pursue is completely connected to what we do with Red Bryant.

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Desmond Bryant and Richard Seymour should also be targets.

I like Mike Wallace over Greg Jennings.

We could also use Jared Cook.


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Desmond Bryant and Richard Seymour should also be targets.

I like Mike Wallace over Greg Jennings.

We could also use Jared Cook.


Ditto for Wallace over Jennings. Love the speed of Wallace.

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Keep in mind we don't have excessively deep pockets.

The good news is, we rolled over a lot of cap space this season. But we probably can't go after both a top-flight WR and DT plys sign the guys we need to sign. We need to be mindful of the upcoming fiscal commitments we will make when the rookie deals expire for the likes of Okung, Thomas, Tate and Chancellor.

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Keep in mind we don't have excessively deep pockets.

The good news is, we rolled over a lot of cap space this season. But we probably can't go after both a top-flight WR and DT plys sign the guys we need to sign. We need to be mindful of the upcoming fiscal commitments we will make when the rookie deals expire for the likes of Okung, Thomas, Tate and Chancellor.


Excellent point. If we're happy with our All-Pro level players, we need to be prepared to keep them here. That means we're not likely to be big players in FA and that we're going to have to let some solid contributors walk each season. It's the Green Bay model... expect to see Schneider and the FO start staggering contracts and the draft becoming exponentially more important to our roster than FA.

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Keep in mind we don't have excessively deep pockets.

The good news is, we rolled over a lot of cap space this season. But we probably can't go after both a top-flight WR and DT plys sign the guys we need to sign. We need to be mindful of the upcoming fiscal commitments we will make when the rookie deals expire for the likes of Okung, Thomas, Tate and Chancellor.


The first three must be resigned.

I wouldn't bet against an upgrade over Chancellor being found late in the 2013 or 2014 draft. Like him, but I think he might be the odd man out.

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DT Armond Armstead, 6'5'' 300lbs. 6 sacks in the CFL, could be another gem from up north.


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Keep in mind we don't have excessively deep pockets.

The good news is, we rolled over a lot of cap space this season. But we probably can't go after both a top-flight WR and DT plys sign the guys we need to sign. We need to be mindful of the upcoming fiscal commitments we will make when the rookie deals expire for the likes of Okung, Thomas, Tate and Chancellor.


We have alot of cap flexibility and trading Matt Flynn will only give us more.


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Keep in mind we don't have excessively deep pockets.

The good news is, we rolled over a lot of cap space this season. But we probably can't go after both a top-flight WR and DT plys sign the guys we need to sign. We need to be mindful of the upcoming fiscal commitments we will make when the rookie deals expire for the likes of Okung, Thomas, Tate and Chancellor.


We have alot of cap flexibility and trading Matt Flynn will only give us more.


No, we really don't. We have our own players to retain and as I pointed out we need to preserve cap space as much as we can for the next few years as we are going to need to pay out HUGE to keep our studs.

The Flynn trade is a whole separate issue. I'm not sure we trade him unless the deal knocks our socks off. We are lucky to have a quality back-up QB, something that can't be overstated.

I'm not saying we are cap tight, but we must be cap savvy. I'm not worried about it - John Schneider and John Idzik have done a great job managing it. The point is more that we can't just go sign premiere WRs, DEs and DTs. As always, filling the needs will be a mix of smart free agent decisions and also a solid draft.

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We have our own players to retain and as I pointed out we need to preserve cap space as much as we can for the next few years as we are going to need to pay out HUGE to keep our studs.


I think it's a mistake to play this offseason "safe".

We're already one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, despite being the 2nd youngest. I think if there are clear pieces that may put us over the top... such as a Mike Wallace or a discounted Richard Seymour, I think we roll the dice.

Having a backup QB receiving starter pay doesn't exactly jibe with your save money philosophy. I think using that money for a DT would be better served. I also think we let Sidney Rice walk when his ridiculous contract expires. That should free up a grip of cap space.


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We have our own players to retain and as I pointed out we need to preserve cap space as much as we can for the next few years as we are going to need to pay out HUGE to keep our studs.


I think it's a mistake to play this offseason "safe".

We're already one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, despite being the 2nd youngest. I think if there are clear pieces that may put us over the top... such as a Mike Wallace or a discounted Richard Seymour, I think we roll the dice.


I agree to an extent - for instance, I'd love Wallace. But they are rolling over a lot of cap this season, and that's because they realize what looms over the horizon.

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We have our own players to retain and as I pointed out we need to preserve cap space as much as we can for the next few years as we are going to need to pay out HUGE to keep our studs.


I think it's a mistake to play this offseason "safe".

We're already one of the top 5 teams in the NFL, despite being the 2nd youngest. I think if there are clear pieces that may put us over the top... such as a Mike Wallace or a discounted Richard Seymour, I think we roll the dice.


I agree to an extent - for instance, I'd love Wallace. But they are rolling over a lot of cap this season, and that's because they realize what looms over the horizon.


Exactly. Do we risk losing Thomas, Sherman, Okung, etc. for the shot at a guy we THINK might put us over the top?

It's the difference between looking at each season in a vacuum and looking at a window of opportunity. If you're thinking of 2013 and absolutely nothing else, then yeah, maybe you sell out and blow tons of cash in FA to "get over the hump." If you want the Hawks to be SB contenders for the next decade, then you don't spend your money in FA - you spend it to lock up your own key superstars and continue replenishing the team through the draft.

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Doesn't JS's ability to draft also afford this franchise the ability to sign a big name or two? Cant they lean on "even if HE walks, we can get a cheap replacement in the 3rd?"


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Mike wallace.. I think the defensive line can be addressed through the draft.. This years draft us supposed to be one of the best d line drafts in awhile they have like 20 guys projected as 1st rounders..


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Exactly. Do we risk losing Thomas, Sherman, Okung, etc. for the shot at a guy we THINK might put us over the top?

It's the difference between looking at each season in a vacuum and looking at a window of opportunity. If you're thinking of 2013 and absolutely nothing else, then yeah, maybe you sell out and blow tons of cash in FA to "get over the hump." If you want the Hawks to be SB contenders for the next decade, then you don't spend your money in FA - you spend it to lock up your own key superstars and continue replenishing the team through the draft.


We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Right now were a top 5 team... I think it takes just a couple splashy moves to cement us firmly as superbowl contenders for the next 3-4 years.

Sidney Rice's contract expires in 2016. That should free up a grip of cash, too.


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Doesn't JS's ability to draft also afford this franchise the ability to sign a big name or two? Cant they lean on "even if HE walks, we can get a cheap replacement in the 3rd?"


Even given Schneider's draft acumen, we're still dealing with two uncertainties against one certainty.

We know what we have in a guy like Thomas, for example. We don't, however, know that Player X in the 3rd round could replace him or that Player Y in FA will make a difference in the way we expect.

Think about it. Buffalo paid handsomely for Mario Williams, and he was a relative non factor for them this season. Lots of people wanted Williams here, too, and maybe it would have been different. But now Williams' contract limits what Buffalo can do at other positions, and the new coach and GM are inheriting that mess.

I guess another thing that influences my thinking on this discussion is that I pretty much hate FA. I think the number of times it's paid off for teams is absolutely dwarfed by the number of times it hasn't. It's paying a player for past performance rather than future potential, for the most part - especially when it comes to the big name guys.

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Great stuff, Vols. You still need a haircut though, hippy.

I agree that FA to address any defensive need will spell doom about 70% of the time. Defense is about young guys and that’s pretty much it. But, on offense, it pays immediate dividends (outside of RB). The Latin term for that theory is "reverscus Holmgrenus"


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Exactly. Do we risk losing Thomas, Sherman, Okung, etc. for the shot at a guy we THINK might put us over the top?

It's the difference between looking at each season in a vacuum and looking at a window of opportunity. If you're thinking of 2013 and absolutely nothing else, then yeah, maybe you sell out and blow tons of cash in FA to "get over the hump." If you want the Hawks to be SB contenders for the next decade, then you don't spend your money in FA - you spend it to lock up your own key superstars and continue replenishing the team through the draft.


We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Right now were a top 5 team... I think it takes just a couple splashy moves to cement us firmly as superbowl contenders for the next 3-4 years.

Sidney Rice's contract expires in 2016. That should free up a grip of cash, too.


IMO, we're at the bridge right now. For example, if we think Golden Tate is worth keeping, it would benefit the team to lock him up this offseason instead of waiting for him to hit FA after 2013 is done. Thomas will come up the year after that, and Okung after that. Okung and Russell Wilson become FAs the same year, and it will be tough to award them both big contracts in the same offseason. Making splashy moves for other team's players will absolutely cost us critical pieces of our team, imo. We'll be filling one hole while digging another.

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I agree that FA to address any defensive need will spell doom about 70% of the time. Defense is about young guys and that’s pretty much it.


You wouldn't take a discounted Richard Seymour for a couple years?


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I agree that FA to address any defensive need will spell doom about 70% of the time. Defense is about young guys and that’s pretty much it.


You wouldn't take a discounted Richard Seymour for a couple years?


Oh, I would. ABSOLUTELY. Or, Dockett (he'll be cut).

The success rate doesn't apply if the FA would slaughter a bag of puppies to hit Colin Kapernick just once. Youth or attitude works.


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Exactly. Do we risk losing Thomas, Sherman, Okung, etc. for the shot at a guy we THINK might put us over the top?

It's the difference between looking at each season in a vacuum and looking at a window of opportunity. If you're thinking of 2013 and absolutely nothing else, then yeah, maybe you sell out and blow tons of cash in FA to "get over the hump." If you want the Hawks to be SB contenders for the next decade, then you don't spend your money in FA - you spend it to lock up your own key superstars and continue replenishing the team through the draft.


We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Right now were a top 5 team... I think it takes just a couple splashy moves to cement us firmly as superbowl contenders for the next 3-4 years.

Sidney Rice's contract expires in 2016. That should free up a grip of cash, too.


IMO, we're at the bridge right now. For example, if we think Golden Tate is worth keeping, it would benefit the team to lock him up this offseason instead of waiting for him to hit FA after 2013 is done. Thomas will come up the year after that, and Okung after that. Okung and Russell Wilson become FAs the same year, and it will be tough to award them both big contracts in the same offseason. Making splashy moves for other team's players will absolutely cost us critical pieces of our team, imo. We'll be filling one hole while digging another.


I understand and appreciate your point, but if Mike Wallace, Jared Cook and Richard Seymour came to our door looking for employment, I would be happy to write them a check.


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Well, having 10 picks in a deep draft is good ammo for a lot of scenarios of which Pete and John are pretty good at.

I can see us being involved in F.A. but am unsure of all out pursuit of many.

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We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Right now were a top 5 team... I think it takes just a couple splashy moves to cement us firmly as superbowl contenders for the next 3-4 years.

Sidney Rice's contract expires in 2016. That should free up a grip of cash, too.


IMO, we're at the bridge right now. For example, if we think Golden Tate is worth keeping, it would benefit the team to lock him up this offseason instead of waiting for him to hit FA after 2013 is done. Thomas will come up the year after that, and Okung after that. Okung and Russell Wilson become FAs the same year, and it will be tough to award them both big contracts in the same offseason. Making splashy moves for other team's players will absolutely cost us critical pieces of our team, imo. We'll be filling one hole while digging another.


I understand and appreciate your point, but if Mike Wallace, Jared Cook and Richard Seymour came to our door looking for employment, I would be happy to write them a check.


As long as Cook comes at a reasonable price, I could accept that.

Wallace, hmm.... I seriously doubt he's going to provide an offensive spark commensurate with the contract he's going to get from wherever. Maybe if his diva nature drives his price down, then maybe... but he showed up SMALL for the Steelers this season. They couldn't count on him at all. I'm leery of that kind of player.

Seymour, I don't know. At his age, I'd be concerned that the injury that landed him on IR this season is the start of a laundry list of injuries that either reduce his effectiveness or leave him on the sidelines. He's not going to be a "vet minimum" kind of guy, either.

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IMO, we're at the bridge right now. For example, if we think Golden Tate is worth keeping, it would benefit the team to lock him up this offseason instead of waiting for him to hit FA after 2013 is done. Thomas will come up the year after that, and Okung after that. Okung and Russell Wilson become FAs the same year, and it will be tough to award them both big contracts in the same offseason. Making splashy moves for other team's players will absolutely cost us critical pieces of our team, imo. We'll be filling one hole while digging another.


You forgot this one guy on defense can't remember his name but some people say he is pretty good and he plays in the backfield think they call it back corner or something like that. Likes to talk a lot and he is good. I mean he is not pro-bowl good but pretty good......

His contract might be coming up the year after next and could require a few dollars as well

Agree - time to front-load existing guys that we want to keep to have room year after next and the season after that. Must get better through draft and if anything I say trade players away to open up cash room and get cheap rookies in here....


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Wallace, hmm.... I seriously doubt he's going to provide an offensive spark commensurate with the contract he's going to get from wherever. Maybe if his diva nature drives his price down, then maybe... but he showed up SMALL for the Steelers this season. They couldn't count on him at all. I'm leery of that kind of player.


How many 4.3 receivers you know that would fit perfectly with a scrambling qb like RW3? How many times have you seen RW3 scramble out of the pocket only to hold onto the ball too long because his receivers couldn't separate? If we can shell out ~$8M per year for Sidney Rice...


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I'm hoping Wallace's value dropped. IMO, his numbers dropped due to his holdout and Arians being gone. But, Wallace thrived with a QB whom improvises and extends plays. He's EXACTLY the right WR.


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What about Dwayne Bowe??? Isnt he a FA this year?


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Wallace, hmm.... I seriously doubt he's going to provide an offensive spark commensurate with the contract he's going to get from wherever. Maybe if his diva nature drives his price down, then maybe... but he showed up SMALL for the Steelers this season. They couldn't count on him at all. I'm leery of that kind of player.


How many 4.3 receivers you know that would fit perfectly with a scrambling qb like RW3? How many times have you seen RW3 scramble out of the pocket only to hold onto the ball too long because his receivers couldn't separate? If we can shell out ~$8M per year for Sidney Rice...


Not sure, but I bet we could find someone in the draft or with a cheaper price tag that would give us most if not all of what Wallace could bring us. Who's to say that Rice and Wilson won't work together over the offseason to improve their chemistry/communication?

Hell, isn't Rice an excellent example of what going after FA WRs can do? I don't think anyone here would suggest that he's lived up to the deal we gave him, and make no mistake... Wallace is looking for that same kind of deal. How do we tie THAT much money up in WRs? Unless we're going to cut Rice loose to make room for Wallace (thereby taking at least a few million in cap room as Rice's guaranteed money accelerates onto the 2013 cap), it doesn't make much sense.

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im actually strangely content with doing nearly nothing in FA this year, with how many draft picks we have before the draft even begins and how deep the talent seems this year i dont see nor want to see any big contracts. especially considering we will have to start resigning some important people in the next few years


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