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Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:45 pm
  • This will be pretty short. Busy day.

    -Zach Miller and Russell Wilson were amazing. Nuff said.

    -You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.

    -Really proud of Seattle for very nearly completing the biggest road comeback in the Super Bowl era. I am MORE than happy with how this game turned out. Seattle kept it's streak alive of playing competitive 1 score games even in losses, and as late as the 4th quarter, that seemed like a pipe dream, much less winning the game.

    -Russell Wilson is going to be wearing Superbowl rings on both hands when he retires.

    -While I'm on the prediction front, Seattle will be 13-3 or better next season, and reach at least the NFCCG. This is not a "hot" team. This is a ridiculously good offense with an erratic but incredibly talented defense. They will do this week in and week out, and the only games they will lose will be road games where their defense plays perfectly unclutch. Which is not going to happen often.

    -I really hope Carroll wakes up and realizes that the Red Bryant strategy just isn't worth it. It would be one thing if we had a brick wall run defense- but we don't.

    -I don't care what Pete said to reporters, Bruce Irvin is hardly the "ideal" LEO. I like Irvin, but the team needs to be honest about his capabilities. Irvin is not built physically to defend against the run, and he doesn't have much talent for stopping the run either. You've probably heard the expression "selling out" to rush the passer? Well today, Irvin was selling out to stop the run, which he didn't really stop all that much. He was very slow off the snap, often ran straight into blockers playing almost a 2-gap type role, and provided what I would call "negative value" for most of this game. In Irvin's previous job, he didn't have to worry about the run and that allowed him to sell out against the pass. The only way that Irvin will have a worthwhile NFL career is if he can sell out as a pass rusher, and barring a revelatory transformation that just isn't happening in a 3 down role for him.

    -Matt Ryan did an excellent job countering Seattle's blitz. Part of the reason Seattle lost the game was because they blitzed 5 players on Atlanta's first play during their final drive (a completion for over 20 yards). I love big balls Pete, and against a guy like Kaepernick I would applaud that choice, but against Ryan, that was a mistake from the very get go.

    -I really hope Clemons pulls an AP and comes back 100% next year. Man, do they need him. I would fully support Seattle making a bold move this offseason to add a blue chip DE. If Seattle banks on Irvin as a full time LEO, they could be making a mistake that costs them championships. He NEEDS to be in a pure pass rush role. And again, this team just can't afford what Bryant costs them in the pass rush. The only way Bryant could be justified is if our 3-tech was putting up JJ Watt type numbers. Good luck finding that guy.

    -Did I mention Russell Wilson is a stud? The greatest shame about this loss is that nobody will be talking about his epic performance.

    -Seattle scored 0 points in the first half despite 193 yards of offense. After opening the game with a 3 and out, Seattle averaged almost 50 yards per drive on their remaining first half drives. Lynch didn't have a great day (it's tough to on a bad foot), but this offense was rolling despite that. My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the 1st half. I actually called that out loud right before it happened, saying that if Wilson thinks he's going to take a sack, he NEEDS to throw the ball into the ground and take the penalty. Unfortunately, he didn't. And BTW, JR Sweezy (who was badly beaten for that sack) should not have been starting in these playoffs. Great player with a great future, but it's possible that one sack could have been the difference in the game today.

    -GREAT season. The only thing that taints it is my nagging worry that our DE problem will become a lingering one that persists for years now that Clemons is in the situation he's in. Please prove me wrong Pete. The sooner you prove me wrong, the better. Do WHATEVER it takes. If they traded their entire draft but fixed the pass rush long term, I'd consider that a huge win.
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  • kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    Yeah, I really didn't want to score on that first down...ugh.
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  • Thanks for all the great posts this season. Reading these helps
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  • I agree with most points. Im so dissapointed that I'm not sure I can come up with a fully thought out, intelligible comment to this so I will just say this: I really hope seahawk fans, once they calm down after this loss, begin to realize how amazing this season was, and how lucky we are to have Russell Wilson as the QB, and to have a team that can scrap it out with ANYONE IN THE LEAGUE PERIOD!
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  • Agree on the REd Bryant thing. He should be a role player next year. Not a starting DE.
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  • kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time.


    This. And it speaks volumes about our defense.
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  • Meeker wrote:
    kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    Yeah, I really didn't want to score on that first down...ugh.



    Lol, me too. But we cant Madden that situation...cant whittle the clock and assume we get the score. We were able to stop the Patriots in this situation, we shouldve stopped the Falcons too. The D was gassed, and we overused them
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  • In retrospect, it probably would have been better to have Scruggs play in Clem's role and keep Irvin where he was. What can you do......

    Agree that the Seahawks need Clemons back to begin the year.

    Gotta improve the DE/DT rotation and develop a real pass rush for sure. Still need one more WR that can get open on every play.
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  • I also knew when they had time left our soft zone shit would kill us.

    Agreed on the Bryant comment - it ain't working, Pete. We need massive improvement in our pass rush.

    Irvin needs to put on a lot of muscle. He just gets manhandled too much.
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  • would like to add the 4th down call to go for it. Still early in the game.
    take the points no?
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  • "My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the first half."

    Isn't there an 10-second runoff if you ground the ball in that situation? That would have ended the half anyway.
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  • WindCityHawk wrote:
    kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time.


    This. And it speaks volumes about our defense.

    Well, I kind of knew that Gus was going to go prevent. I had hoped not, but indeed that's what he did. I don't care to deviate from the norm in that situation. Many coaches go ultra conservative in that situation and many end up regretting it.
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  • kearly wrote:This will be pretty short. Busy day.

    -Zach Miller and Russell Wilson were amazing. Nuff said.

    -You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    I'd add Golden Tate to that.

    And I wish they'd overturned our TD. Just one more play taking another 5 seconds off the clock would have been great, and with 3 goes to go from inches I'd actually be confident in "doing a Madden" and trying to not score on 2nd down either just to make sure
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  • My two things I was most worried about going into the game was Tony Gonzales (and other drag routes across the middle) and our lack of pass rush. If we can get any pass rush whatsoever, Ryan doesn't complete those two passes. A consistent pass rush also gives you a better chance of taking away those short middle routes that kept getting 1st downs.
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  • Go get Osi Umenyiora. Let Tru go, and start Lane or draft a better corner in case Thurm can't stay healthy (hasn't proved that he can). Could also use an upgrade at guard.
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  • kearly wrote:This will be pretty short. Busy day.

    -Zach Miller and Russell Wilson were amazing. Nuff said.

    -You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.

    -Really proud of Seattle for very nearly completing the biggest road comeback in the Super Bowl era. I am MORE than happy with how this game turned out. Seattle kept it's streak alive of playing competitive 1 score games even in losses, and as late as the 4th quarter, that seemed like a pipe dream, much less winning the game.

    -Russell Wilson is going to be wearing Superbowl rings on both hands when he retires.

    -While I'm on the prediction front, Seattle will be 13-3 or better next season, and reach at least the NFCCG. This is not a "hot" team. This is a ridiculously good offense with an erratic but incredibly talented defense. They will do this week in and week out, and the only games they will lose will be road games where their defense plays perfectly unclutch. Which is not going to happen often.

    -I really hope Carroll wakes up and realizes that the Red Bryant strategy just isn't worth it. It would be one thing if we had a brick wall run defense- but we don't.

    -I don't care what Pete said to reporters, Bruce Irvin is hardly the "ideal" LEO. I like Irvin, but the team needs to be honest about his capabilities. Irvin is not built physically to defend against the run, and he doesn't have much talent for stopping the run either. You've probably heard the expression "selling out" to rush the passer? Well today, Irvin was selling out to stop the run, which he didn't really stop all that much. He was very slow off the snap, often ran straight into blockers playing almost a 2-gap type role, and provided what I would call "negative value" for most of this game. In Irvin's previous job, he didn't have to worry about the run and that allowed him to sell out against the pass. The only way that Irvin will have a worthwhile NFL career is if he can sell out as a pass rusher, and barring a revelatory transformation that just isn't happening in a 3 down role for him.

    -Matt Ryan did an excellent job countering Seattle's blitz. Part of the reason Seattle lost the game was because they blitzed 5 players on Atlanta's first play during their final drive (a completion for over 20 yards). I love big balls Pete, and against a guy like Kaepernick I would applaud that choice, but against Ryan, that was a mistake from the very get go.

    -I really hope Clemons pulls an AP and comes back 100% next year. Man, do they need him. I would fully support Seattle making a bold move this offseason to add a blue chip DE. If Seattle banks on Irvin as a full time LEO, they could be making a mistake that costs them championships. He NEEDS to be in a pure pass rush role. And again, this team just can't afford what Bryant costs them in the pass rush. The only way Bryant could be justified is if our 3-tech was putting up JJ Watt type numbers. Good luck finding that guy.

    -Did I mention Russell Wilson is a stud? The greatest shame about this loss is that nobody will be talking about his epic performance.

    -Seattle scored 0 points in the first half despite 193 yards of offense. After opening the game with a 3 and out, Seattle averaged almost 50 yards per drive on their remaining first half drives. Lynch didn't have a great day (it's tough to on a bad foot), but this offense was rolling despite that. My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the 1st half. I actually called that out loud right before it happened, saying that if Wilson thinks he's going to take a sack, he NEEDS to throw the ball into the ground and take the penalty. Unfortunately, he didn't. And BTW, JR Sweezy (who was badly beaten for that sack) should not have been starting in these playoffs. Great player with a great future, but it's possible that one sack could have been the difference in the game today.

    -GREAT season. The only thing that taints it is my nagging worry that our DE problem will become a lingering one that persists for years now that Clemons is in the situation he's in. Please prove me wrong Pete. The sooner you prove me wrong, the better. Do WHATEVER it takes. If they traded their entire draft but fixed the pass rush long term, I'd consider that a huge win.



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  • Great post.

    Pete is flexible on a lot of things, but stays true to his fundamental principles and will not deviate from what he things is basic. The monster 5 tech and Leo combo is one of those, at least so far. I'd be surprised if Red or Irvin are in different spots next year (assuming Clemons isn't back right away).
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  • Well said Kearly.
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  • I love these so I'll read it all later when I'm in a better mood but after skimming it i just have to say YES, they really need to fix the Red Bryant situation. He is USELESS
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  • Im pissed but over it at the same time. Make sense? I'm proud of my team . The way they played this year, the way they fought, the way they never got punked. They are a lot farther at this point than I thought they'd be. I love this team.

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  • silverss wrote:would like to add the 4th down call to go for it. Still early in the game.
    take the points no?


    Wasn't Seattle down 20-0? Looked like a shootout. I thought it was the right call. Really, you usually can't go wrong with going for 4th and 1 unless a FG wins you the game.
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  • Shadowhawk wrote:"My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the first half."

    Isn't there an 10-second runoff if you ground the ball in that situation? That would have ended the half anyway.


    There were 17 seconds on the clock when he took that sack.
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  • rjdriver wrote:I'll miss me some random thoughts Kearly. Sigh

    Quick question for you....... Marshawn will be another year older next year. Any concerns about him deteriorating in the coming years, I know a lot of backs peak, then fall fast. I hope he isnt one of them. Turbin showed some great stuff today though. Was as effective as Beast.


    I think he will peak over the next couple seasons unless his back issues become a real problem.
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  • As always you do a very good job breaking it down.

    Kearly, I am of the opinion that in the pass happy nfl of today Irvin will still be worth his first round pick as a guy that does nothing but get sacks what is your feeling about this?
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  • Thanks for another excellent write-up Kip. Agree with everything you said. This defensive line still needs work and I agree that Pete/John must sell out to accomplish it. Red is a part-timer and Irvin is a specialist. With Clem highly doubtful for a good portion of next year, a new strategy is in order.

    Thought playcalling was marginal at best today. Why not rollout Russ on 3rd and 1 late first half. They were obviously completely focused on Lynch today. And along those lines, I would've liked to see the coaches open it up sooner because of their defensive focus on Marshawn. Next year in a game like this, I believe we'll see that.

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  • I'm disappointed but optimistic. We know what we do have - a legit QB. The difference between week 1 and this week is night and day. Look how quickly he recognises blitz and hits tbe hot route. If he's a top 10 QB with his arm, then you add his wheels, there is literally no QB I would swap him for. But I think we know what we don't have as well, basically:-

    1 - our DL is probably no better than above average. I don't really believe in big free agents, so I think we just have to throw a few draft picks at it and hope enough stick.

    2 - there is no point in being disappointed with Irvin in this game. We knew be was a pass rush specialist who was undersized to play the run. I wouldn't have played him as a starter in our base D today as you are asking him to do something he can't do and losing what he can give you - fresh legs in the rush package.

    3 - we probably won't get a grade A 3 tech in the draft. We probably won't get any more than a project DE. You know what we might get. A good WLB. This may help our base D, and if we get a big fast body at WLB this may give us somebody else to rush from the edge on third down.

    4 - as somebody else says elsewhere, Kam probably isn't getting a big contract when his rookie contract expires. For one, he's a SS. Second, he's really an in the box safety. He brings great run support to the table, you lose some speed to cover over the top.

    5 - it would be great if Carp came back and was a solid LG. Wilson can avoid a lot of pressure, but there is nothing he can do about quick pressure straight up the middle.
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  • If Wilson takes an intentional grounding then they run the time off of the clock to end the half so that wouldn't have worked.

    I agree about Red Bryant. If the run defense was the best in the League then I could see them justifying Bryant. The problem is that the run defense has faultered each of the last two seasons for the last 8+ games of the season. The Bryant thing is not working.

    If we could snag Johnson from the Bengals at 6'7" 270 lbs and have Red take Branch's two down three technique role then that would make the most sense.
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    That guy as well. I would love to sign Johnson and Melton. If I had to choose between the two then I would select Melton.
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  • kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    This is exactly how I felt. I usually let out a neighbour-waking cheer when we score a big touchdown, but today just kind of smiled. I was saving the big cheer for the end. And next door will unfortunately never get to hear it.

    I had no confidence we'd get the stop... felt like we needed a big play first up (eg sack) to really set them back. That Falcons team is made to get yardage like that in a quick situation. It's a shame but I wasn't as gutted as I thought I would be.
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  • Thanks for the write-ups you've done all season long on these post game thoughts (in this case we should definitely say Post Mortem thoughts). If you don't mind me chiming in, I'll comment on a few things and then I've got a few random thoughts of my own ...

    1) Well, the Magic Carpet Ride is finally over ... and to be honest, I do have a lot of the same feelings right now as I did back in 1995 when the Mariners went down to the Indians in the ALCS. Like a lot of you, my emotions are pretty raw right now. When the comeback was happening, there was a piece of me that honestly believed that the Seahawks were going to get it done. Unfortunately, when I realized that there 31 seconds left my heart sank, as in my heart of hearts I knew that it just wasn't going to be today.

    2) Completely agreed Kip -- Russell Wilson was awesome today. Eerily, I don't know why, but I'm drawing parallels in my mind right now to Wisconsin's Rose Bowl 35-28 Loss to Oregon. Hmm. That said, I completely agree that this is the beginning of a new era in Seahawks football ... and that that future is very bright. When it's all said and done for Wilson, I fully believe he will have guided the Seahawks to and won at least 1 Super Bowl (if not a few).

    3) Regarding the game today, it just goes to show you that you CANNOT allow yourself to get down by THAT many points AND turn the ball over on the road. Just cannot do that and expect to win at home. Home field advantage is everything. If this game had been played at Century Link ... I fully believe we would be heading to Candlestick next week.

    4) Have to agree with you that Sweezy's inexperience was a factor in this game. I know that Pete Carroll and Tom Cable say that he is the most athletic lineman they have and that they like his makeup ... but didn't we hear those same kinds of comments about James Carpenter? You just cannot have that kind of inexperience out there in a playoff game.

    5) A big reason that we lost this football game was Seattle's inability to get Marshawn Lynch and the running game going. If you can't get that going ... and don't keep Matt Ryan and those receivers off the field ... you're going to lose. We lost the Time of Possession Battle in this one -- a big No No on the road.

    6) Chris Clemons's absence loomed very large in this game. Without the ability to get consistent pressure with just the Front 4, that meant we had to blitz more. Against a team like this that has so many weapons, that's the death knell. Also, it was quite shocking to see a back like Michael Turner (who has really beat no one this year) to have the kind of game he had. To me, that is also directly related to Clemons being out. I have to agree with your point completely that Bruce Irvin (to me) seems like more of a situational pass rusher -- that's his upside. Now that's fine, but you've got to resign yourself to the fact that that's what he is ... and plan accordingly. Irvin just isn't all that good against the run ... and man, did it showin this game.

    7) Like you guys, the whole Time Out thing sticks in my craw (which I know it shouldn't ... but it did) since their kicker MISSED IT the first time. UGH! If we only hadn't called TO ... he'd have shanked it and the game would be over. Irrational thought for sure of mine ... but it's just one of a dozen or more "what if's" in this game.

    Flipping the page and breaking out the shopping list for the offseason, the needs on this team (from what I can see) are:

    1) Defensive End/Line (Pass Rusher/Run Stuffer Combo ideally)
    2) A young LB to succeed Leroy Hill (sorry man, but it's time) -- can we clone Aldon Smith or Novorro Bowman?
    3) Another CB to help compete with Jeremy Lane for the Nickel spot and a guy who could start if need be.
    4) Another WR with speed who can really stretch the field and put pressure on defenses.
    5) Offensive Line depth (maybe some more of those later round nuggets with starting potential).

    To me, the first 2 things are priorities 1A and 1B. Absolutely, positively have GOT to find a way to improve the pass rush and improve against the run. If that means in doing so that Red Bryant moves in to more of a rotational role than he's been in -- I'm fine with that. We saw the benefit of what you can do if you can generate pressure with just the Front 4 in the last Rams game. I'm looking for absolute stud DE and/or LB's who can really "tilt the room" in this upcoming draft. On the flip side, that Front 4 of the Rams really highlighted to me the real need to improve the Offensive Line. The Rams aren't going anywhere, as they have the youngest corps in the game and under Jeff Fisher are only going to get better.

    If we beef things up a bit this offseason (which I know John Schneider is going to do) ... the prospects look bright for next season, given that Russell Wilson and the offense will have an entire training camp together from Day 1 (instead of having to do this 3 QB rotation and figure out who's going to win the job). If we don't blow winable games by playing stupid ... there's no reason that this team can't be 12-4 ... or 13-3 next season and get Home Field Advantage in the playoffs. If I had to bet the farm, I'd bank on that happening next season. Now we got to sit back and watch the Falcons get smoked by the 49ers next week. Can't wait for the offseason and for the roster tweaking to begin.
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  • it's seems like bryant has been hurt for many weeks.

    if he comes back fresh to training camp, maybe they could move him back inside? when he was young, it seemed like he got penetration but tended to overpursue. he's probably learned the 'contain' part of the game, but can he still knife through the line of scrimmage out of the tackle position like he did when he was a rookie?
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  • Hawkscanner wrote:Thanks for the write-ups you've done all season long on these post game thoughts (in this case we should definitely say Post Mortem thoughts). If you don't mind me chiming in, I'll comment on a few things and then I've got a few random thoughts of my own ...

    1) Well, the Magic Carpet Ride is finally over ... and to be honest, I do have a lot of the same feelings right now as I did back in 1995 when the Mariners went down to the Indians in the ALCS. Like a lot of you, my emotions are pretty raw right now. When the comeback was happening, there was a piece of me that honestly believed that the Seahawks were going to get it done. Unfortunately, when I realized that there 31 seconds left my heart sank, as in my heart of hearts I knew that it just wasn't going to be today.

    2) Completely agreed Kip -- Russell Wilson was awesome today. Eerily, I don't know why, but I'm drawing parallels in my mind right now to Wisconsin's Rose Bowl 35-28 Loss to Oregon. Hmm. That said, I completely agree that this is the beginning of a new era in Seahawks football ... and that that future is very bright. When it's all said and done for Wilson, I fully believe he will have guided the Seahawks to and won at least 1 Super Bowl (if not a few).

    3) Regarding the game today, it just goes to show you that you CANNOT allow yourself to get down by THAT many points AND turn the ball over on the road. Just cannot do that and expect to win at home. Home field advantage is everything. If this game had been played at Century Link ... I fully believe we would be heading to Candlestick next week.

    4) Have to agree with you that Sweezy's inexperience was a factor in this game. I know that Pete Carroll and Tom Cable say that he is the most athletic lineman they have and that they like his makeup ... but didn't we hear those same kinds of comments about James Carpenter? You just cannot have that kind of inexperience out there in a playoff game.

    5) A big reason that we lost this football game was Seattle's inability to get Marshawn Lynch and the running game going. If you can't get that going ... and don't keep Matt Ryan and those receivers off the field ... you're going to lose. We lost the Time of Possession Battle in this one -- a big No No on the road.

    6) Chris Clemons's absence loomed very large in this game. Without the ability to get consistent pressure with just the Front 4, that meant we had to blitz more. Against a team like this that has so many weapons, that's the death knell. Also, it was quite shocking to see a back like Michael Turner (who has really beat no one this year) to have the kind of game he had. To me, that is also directly related to Clemons being out. I have to agree with your point completely that Bruce Irvin (to me) seems like more of a situational pass rusher -- that's his upside. Now that's fine, but you've got to resign yourself to the fact that that's what he is ... and plan accordingly. Irvin just isn't all that good against the run ... and man, did it showin this game.

    7) Like you guys, the whole Time Out thing sticks in my craw (which I know it shouldn't ... but it did) since their kicker MISSED IT the first time. UGH! If we only hadn't called TO ... he'd have shanked it and the game would be over. Irrational thought for sure of mine ... but it's just one of a dozen or more "what if's" in this game.

    Flipping the page and breaking out the shopping list for the offseason, the needs on this team (from what I can see) are:

    1) Defensive End/Line (Pass Rusher/Run Stuffer Combo ideally)
    2) A young LB to succeed Leroy Hill (sorry man, but it's time) -- can we clone Aldon Smith or Novorro Bowman?
    3) Another CB to help compete with Jeremy Lane for the Nickel spot and a guy who could start if need be.
    4) Another WR with speed who can really stretch the field and put pressure on defenses.
    5) Offensive Line depth (maybe some more of those later round nuggets with starting potential).

    To me, the first 2 things are priorities 1A and 1B. Absolutely, positively have GOT to find a way to improve the pass rush and improve against the run. If that means in doing so that Red Bryant moves in to more of a rotational role than he's been in -- I'm fine with that. We saw the benefit of what you can do if you can generate pressure with just the Front 4 in the last Rams game. I'm looking for absolute stud DE and/or LB's who can really "tilt the room" in this upcoming draft. On the flip side, that Front 4 of the Rams really highlighted to me the real need to improve the Offensive Line. The Rams aren't going anywhere, as they have the youngest corps in the game and under Jeff Fisher are only going to get better.

    If we beef things up a bit this offseason (which I know John Schneider is going to do) ... the prospects look bright for next season, given that Russell Wilson and the offense will have an entire training camp together from Day 1 (instead of having to do this 3 QB rotation and figure out who's going to win the job). If we don't blow winable games by playing stupid ... there's no reason that this team can't be 12-4 ... or 13-3 next season and get Home Field Advantage in the playoffs. If I had to bet the farm, I'd bank on that happening next season. Now we got to sit back and watch the Falcons get smoked by the 49ers next week. Can't wait for the offseason and for the roster tweaking to begin.

    Like Kip, your posts are excellent my friend. Great points one and all. Salute to the both of you and all the other very, very smart people that post on this site who know the game quite well.
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  • kearly wrote:
    -I don't care what Pete said to reporters, Bruce Irvin is hardly the "ideal" LEO. I like Irvin, but the team needs to be honest about his capabilities. Irvin is not built physically to defend against the run, and he doesn't have much talent for stopping the run either. You've probably heard the expression "selling out" to rush the passer? Well today, Irvin was selling out to stop the run, which he didn't really stop all that much. He was very slow off the snap, often ran straight into blockers playing almost a 2-gap type role, and provided what I would call "negative value" for most of this game. In Irvin's previous job, he didn't have to worry about the run and that allowed him to sell out against the pass. The only way that Irvin will have a worthwhile NFL career is if he can sell out as a pass rusher, and barring a revelatory transformation that just isn't happening in a 3 down role for him.



    I agree to the extent of this on this year only. I don't doubt Pete knows Irvin and what coaching and study can do to a player from one year to the next. I think that Irvin is going to have the chance to grow and hope that is what happens.

    Our defense is going to get more then some TLC this off season. I am stoked.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:If Wilson takes an intentional grounding then they run the time off of the clock to end the half so that wouldn't have worked.

    I agree about Red Bryant. If the run defense was the best in the League then I could see them justifying Bryant. The problem is that the run defense has faultered each of the last two seasons for the last 8+ games of the season. The Bryant thing is not working.

    If we could snag Johnson from the Bengals at 6'7" 270 lbs and have Red take Branch's two down three technique role then that would make the most sense.


    Yeah but there were more than 10 seconds on the clock when he took the sack


    Also, RE: Bruce Irvin
    We knew he was going to be raw from the very start, I think he has an ideal skill-set for the Leo position, but not the NFL know-how yet. I don't expect it'll come next year either, but hopefully by year 3, in a Golden Tate style "it took a while but I've finally arrived" way. I hope Wilson's work ethic catches on with him, I know Wilson did a lot of additional practice with all of the rookies - when given the day off he told them all they didn't have the day off and made them go practice with him. I expect that next year he won't do that, but he WILL work with the new class of rookies and do the exact same with them, and hope that the now 1+ year experienced guys will continue to work hard without him telling them to
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  • What's all this talk about erotic defense?
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  • also, if you leave red at the end position, could scruggs take over if red isn't good to go?

    it seems like red's foot was a big issue this year. when he's healthy, his position is effective, at least against the run.
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  • HawkHack wrote:What's all this talk about erotic defense?


    Brandon Browner and Kam Chancellor give me a hard on pretty much every week
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  • on defense, i'd say keep loading up on safeties. find an earl clone so you can play a cover-2 look.

    could you imagine a 2-deep with 2 earls?
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  • Our defense is not as physical as the talking heads make them out to be. Run defense has been trending down since mid-season. Pass rush and better DL/LB play will help going forward. I still cannot complain. This team has a chance to re-load and make another run at it with confidence that they belong and can play with the big boys.
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  • Shadowhawk wrote:"My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the first half."

    Isn't there an 10-second runoff if you ground the ball in that situation? That would have ended the half anyway.


    Except there were about 20 seconds left on the clock and it would've been enough time to line up while they were making the call.
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  • Meeker wrote:
    kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    Yeah, I really didn't want to score on that first down...ugh.



    Ditto, my son and I were a little nervous about that as well. Kudos to the scrambling Russell finding marshawn for the palsy that set up the touchdown
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  • mrblitz wrote:on defense, i'd say keep loading up on safeties. find an earl clone so you can play a cover-2 look.

    could you imagine a 2-deep with 2 earls?


    I think the FO have considered that, remember they said they would have drafted Barron if he had been available at 12.
    Chancellor plays up in the box a lot too, a few people suggested before the draft we were considering Barron and moving Kam to LB. Considering he plays like an extra LB at times that probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

    It made me sick watching Gonzalez match up against Winston Guy though, Kam and Browner are the only two guys on the team big enough to go toe-to-toe with him, Kam should have been shadowing him all game.
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  • We get a pass rush and it's over, sb here we come, our secondary with a consitent pass rush and our speedy lb's and its curtains for anyone we play.
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  • jkitsune wrote:
    Shadowhawk wrote:"My only criticism was Seattle not taking an intentional grounding on the final play of the first half."

    Isn't there an 10-second runoff if you ground the ball in that situation? That would have ended the half anyway.


    Except there were about 20 seconds left on the clock and it would've been enough time to line up while they were making the call.


    Hate to beat a dead horse -- but you know what kills me are the missed opportunities we had. That last second drive in which Wilson got sacked is one. But how about 2 series prior to that -- the idea of going for it on 4th and 1 at the Atlanta 11 yard line. In either case if we'd just gotten a field goal (in just ONE of those 2 series) ... we'd be on our way to San Francisco next weekend. AUGH!!!!!!
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  • morgulon1 wrote:Im pissed but over it at the same time. Make sense? I'm proud of my team . The way they played this year, the way they fought, the way they never got punked. They are a lot farther at this point than I thought they'd be. I love this team.

    Congrats....

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  • Hawkscanner wrote:Thanks for the write-ups you've done all season long on these post game thoughts (in this case we should definitely say Post Mortem thoughts). If you don't mind me chiming in, I'll comment on a few things and then I've got a few random thoughts of my own ...

    1) Well, the Magic Carpet Ride is finally over ... and to be honest, I do have a lot of the same feelings right now as I did back in 1995 when the Mariners went down to the Indians in the ALCS. Like a lot of you, my emotions are pretty raw right now. When the comeback was happening, there was a piece of me that honestly believed that the Seahawks were going to get it done. Unfortunately, when I realized that there 31 seconds left my heart sank, as in my heart of hearts I knew that it just wasn't going to be today.

    2) Completely agreed Kip -- Russell Wilson was awesome today. Eerily, I don't know why, but I'm drawing parallels in my mind right now to Wisconsin's Rose Bowl 35-28 Loss to Oregon. Hmm. That said, I completely agree that this is the beginning of a new era in Seahawks football ... and that that future is very bright. When it's all said and done for Wilson, I fully believe he will have guided the Seahawks to and won at least 1 Super Bowl (if not a few).

    3) Regarding the game today, it just goes to show you that you CANNOT allow yourself to get down by THAT many points AND turn the ball over on the road. Just cannot do that and expect to win at home. Home field advantage is everything. If this game had been played at Century Link ... I fully believe we would be heading to Candlestick next week.

    4) Have to agree with you that Sweezy's inexperience was a factor in this game. I know that Pete Carroll and Tom Cable say that he is the most athletic lineman they have and that they like his makeup ... but didn't we hear those same kinds of comments about James Carpenter? You just cannot have that kind of inexperience out there in a playoff game.

    5) A big reason that we lost this football game was Seattle's inability to get Marshawn Lynch and the running game going. If you can't get that going ... and don't keep Matt Ryan and those receivers off the field ... you're going to lose. We lost the Time of Possession Battle in this one -- a big No No on the road.

    6) Chris Clemons's absence loomed very large in this game. Without the ability to get consistent pressure with just the Front 4, that meant we had to blitz more. Against a team like this that has so many weapons, that's the death knell. Also, it was quite shocking to see a back like Michael Turner (who has really beat no one this year) to have the kind of game he had. To me, that is also directly related to Clemons being out. I have to agree with your point completely that Bruce Irvin (to me) seems like more of a situational pass rusher -- that's his upside. Now that's fine, but you've got to resign yourself to the fact that that's what he is ... and plan accordingly. Irvin just isn't all that good against the run ... and man, did it showin this game.

    7) Like you guys, the whole Time Out thing sticks in my craw (which I know it shouldn't ... but it did) since their kicker MISSED IT the first time. UGH! If we only hadn't called TO ... he'd have shanked it and the game would be over. Irrational thought for sure of mine ... but it's just one of a dozen or more "what if's" in this game.

    Flipping the page and breaking out the shopping list for the offseason, the needs on this team (from what I can see) are:

    1) Defensive End/Line (Pass Rusher/Run Stuffer Combo ideally)
    2) A young LB to succeed Leroy Hill (sorry man, but it's time) -- can we clone Aldon Smith or Novorro Bowman?
    3) Another CB to help compete with Jeremy Lane for the Nickel spot and a guy who could start if need be.
    4) Another WR with speed who can really stretch the field and put pressure on defenses.
    5) Offensive Line depth (maybe some more of those later round nuggets with starting potential).

    To me, the first 2 things are priorities 1A and 1B. Absolutely, positively have GOT to find a way to improve the pass rush and improve against the run. If that means in doing so that Red Bryant moves in to more of a rotational role than he's been in -- I'm fine with that. We saw the benefit of what you can do if you can generate pressure with just the Front 4 in the last Rams game. I'm looking for absolute stud DE and/or LB's who can really "tilt the room" in this upcoming draft. On the flip side, that Front 4 of the Rams really highlighted to me the real need to improve the Offensive Line. The Rams aren't going anywhere, as they have the youngest corps in the game and under Jeff Fisher are only going to get better.

    If we beef things up a bit this offseason (which I know John Schneider is going to do) ... the prospects look bright for next season, given that Russell Wilson and the offense will have an entire training camp together from Day 1 (instead of having to do this 3 QB rotation and figure out who's going to win the job). If we don't blow winable games by playing stupid ... there's no reason that this team can't be 12-4 ... or 13-3 next season and get Home Field Advantage in the playoffs. If I had to bet the farm, I'd bank on that happening next season. Now we got to sit back and watch the Falcons get smoked by the 49ers next week. Can't wait for the offseason and for the roster tweaking to begin.


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  • When Bryant was healthy without the foot issues, he did a bit better and had a bigger impact. I'm wondering if they told him they needed him to play closer to 300 lbs if that would take pressure off of the feet and make him a bit quicker. He looked so much quicker last year and the year before, to be honest. Not sure if he gained weight this year, of it was the plantar fascitis

    I agree that I'd like to see an elite DE soon. We also need a better NIckle CB and WLB. Maybe this can be solved with our current roster just getting better and more experienced (Lane, Maxwell, Smith, Scruggs).

    We need a better 3 tech
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    kearly wrote:-You kind of knew 31 seconds was enough time. At least I did. Wasn't actually that heartbreaking. More disappointing than heartbreaking.


    This is exactly how I felt. I usually let out a neighbour-waking cheer when we score a big touchdown, but today just kind of smiled. I was saving the big cheer for the end. And next door will unfortunately never get to hear it.

    I had no confidence we'd get the stop... felt like we needed a big play first up (eg sack) to really set them back. That Falcons team is made to get yardage like that in a quick situation. It's a shame but I wasn't as gutted as I thought I would be.



    This. I was not celebrating because of the impending feeling of Atl marching down the field to kick the winning field goal was overcoming me.
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  • drdiags wrote:Our defense is not as physical as the talking heads make them out to be. Run defense has been trending down since mid-season. Pass rush and better DL/LB play will help going forward. I still cannot complain. This team has a chance to re-load and make another run at it with confidence that they belong and can play with the big boys.


    Our defense is very physical at home, but on the road it's hit and miss. Today was a miss. No physicality today at all.
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