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 Post subject: Re: Need Help... I looked at it and I'm worried.
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:46 am 
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This is how I look at it. Matt Ryan has never been able to win big games. He and his team are 0 for 2 in playoff games.

Wilson has allready won more playoff games than Matt Ryan.


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I'm sensing this game is going to go to OT... tied at either 23-23 or 24-24.

And it'll be a coin flip as to who will prevail in OT.

I can see it going either way.

Perhaps a slight lean in the Hawks direction based off how we have been performing in the red zone.

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Do whatever the Giants did last season to hold them to 2 points. They had the same weapons.

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It's all about maintaining offensive rhythm on our end and disrupting theirs. I know that sounds simplistic, but as has been mentioned, if you come out run heavy, the Falcons are not going to do as well. Physicality is going to be a big key. Wear out their defense and you can sustain 8 minute drives. Then the Atlanta offense comes in cold.

Furthermore, when you go pass happy, as the Falcons are prone to do, you're going to count on time. Ryan is going to hold onto the ball a couple of times for the long developing play with Julio Jones or Roddy White and Irvin absolutely has to take advantage, as does a Seattle blitzer. If he's pressured, maybe that long pass hangs up in the air long enough for Thomas to get underneath it.

Ultimately, if you can get the Falcons to start pressing - particularly with the stigma of the choker label - they're going to be more liable to make mistakes. Seattle has to get that thought into their heads in the first quarter.

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Benn thinking lately (assuming Sherman matches up with R. White 1 on 1), what about starting Lane outside on J. Jones to match his speed - with Thomas helping - and thus making Browner the Slot CB and have him cover Gonzalez? Tony is great but cant see him being faster than Jones or White so would Browner and his tough physical style match up with Gonzalez pretty good?

Also screen passes to Jacquizz Rogers out of the backfield scare the daylights outta me.


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Every week a bunch of folks say we have to get pressure this game or we're toast. Every week you say we have to blitz, it's our only chance. And every week we don't get pressure and we don't blitz until the end and we hold our opponents to under our nfl leading defensive scoring average. You'd do well to analyze why our defense is so successful without a good pass rush and why we don't blitz.

If Atlanta is so scary why did they beat a bunch of crappy teams on last second scores? If they're such a juggernaut why the dearth of blow outs?

We aren't going to get a good pass rush this week. We also aren't going to blitz, so you'd better learn to like the other stuff we do well.

Everyone thinks we're better than Atlanta because we are. That doesn't mean we'll win because chance happens. A couple more pieces of bad luck last week and we're out. But if we play this game 10 times we win 6.5 of them.


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OrFan wrote:
This is how I look at it. Matt Ryan has never been able to win big games. He and his team are 0 for 2 in playoff games.

Wilson has already won more playoff games than Matt Ryan.


Hawks also didn't play an eventual SB contender/winner the first game :( and who cares about the past? Falcons have shown they can win in prime time this year, and that's all that matters


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Heard the same thing about Green Bay and New England. That turned out okay.


At home. Can the Hawks get that same kind of pressure on the road without Clemons? That's what worries me.

The only way to beat up tempo offenses like the Pats, Packers and Falcons is to press cover and hope your D-Line and blitzes get home before the QB can find a receiver.

IMO the #1 matchup is old man Trufant on Douglas in the slot. #2 is can Cam and the outside LB's hang with Gonzales.

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HOWEVER, I've seen this Seattle Defense run with the best air attacks (NE & GB), so I'm not extremely concerned. Just excited to watch some AWESOME match ups. ATL in the playoffs is nothing to be overly worried about. This is the NFL though, so they're not to be taken lightly by all means! They don't seem to be nearly as physical as Seattle, which IMO will be their downfall. Because, lets face it...Seattle is a solid combination of Physical/Finesse.


We barely won both those games AT HOME. Just saying.

a "barely" win is...guess what? Still a win

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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns. Vegas is really good at putting up odds, and it's damming to the Falcons they would only give them a point at home. But that first quarter in DC was a wake up call for me. The Hawks showed a ton of heart finishing out that meat grinder of a game.

But the national media is telling the truth, like it or not we played a handicapped RGIII. Move past the excuses and I believe we need to have a much better start. Atlanta hasn't lost a game this season while holding the lead in the first half.

I trust the coaching staff and the team. I trust Russell Wilson is going to give us a great chance to win. But I'm still looking for what's the definative skew in this game. Right now it's dead even if we can put up 24 to 30 points. And this is the weakest team we are going to face over the next three games.


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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns. Vegas is really good at putting up odds, and it's damming to the Falcons they would only give them a point at home. But that first quarter in DC was a wake up call for me. The Hawks showed a ton of heart finishing out that meat grinder of a game.


Don't pay attention too much to Vegas, that's not necessarily an indicator of who's going to win, it's an indicator of who the money's coming in on.

Obviously the Hawks are hot, so that's who people are betting on. Which is why the line is moving in the Hawks favor. All Vegas cares about is getting an even amount of money on each team..........then they collect their VIG.

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Looked over the play by play for last years game. Now remember, this years Falcons have had turnover at key coaching positions. Koetter is the new OC and Nolan the new DC, so their philosophies may have changed a bit since last year. However, what I saw from last years game that stood out most are two things:

In the first half, they keyed on Trufant. They rotated their receivers so that Tru would be facing one guy one time, but another the next. The only times they went away from Trufant was when Jones was on Browner. Browner couldnt' contain Jones well.

In the second half, Carroll made defensive adjustments and the Hawks came storming back from a 27-7 deficit to lose on a last second missed field goal, 28-30. That was with TJack at the helm. Not sure what Carroll did, but Trufant wasn't getting burned anymore.

The key to the Falcons first half success seemed to be to isolate Jones on Browner and force ET to have to help Trufant. So they keyed on Trufant to good effect and when ET was forced to help out Tru, they would go to Jones, who would have Browner beat. To shut down Jones, they had ET help, but then Trufants man was always open. I'd love to know if anyone on here remembers what Carroll did in that second half that basically shut down Atlanta's game plan.

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This game will be a huge challenge for our team, especially the defense. If we come out running a zone and get no pass rush on Ryan with the loss of Clemons, we're going to get picked apart all game. Man coverage will be our best option for this one. I'm assuming that Sherm will be one on one with whoever is on his side of the field, while Browner will probably need help from Earl over the top.

It would make sense for Chancelor to be on Gonzalaz, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them using KJ Wright to double him a bit also.

The biggest X factor the the Falcons offense would be Harry Douglas on Trufant, which would be an advantage to the Falcons. Tru has been getting beat badly at Nickelback. Harry Douglas is a very good receiver.

Also, the Falcons may try to use running back screens to Jacquiz and Turner. Our team hasn't really been tested all that much this season with running back screens it seems. If the Falcons run these against us, it would hurt our defense. Irvin's lack of experience would open up huge spaces for the running back on the screens.

The Falcons love to run wide receiver screens as well. Our corners are better at covering these, but we haven't faced a team that runs as many of these plays and executes them as efficiently as the Falcons do.

Discipline will be crucial for all eleven guys on defense. I see a lot of people on here thinking this is a lock for our team for some reason, but it's far from it. The Falcons are the #1 seed for a reason. While they haven't really faced anybody all that great this season outside their beatdown of the Broncos early in the season, they're still an excellent team that will test our team in every way possible. The 10AM kickoff doesn't help, along with the injury to Clemons. The only advantage of this game over last is the better field conditions.

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There has been some really great conversation in this thread. I appreciate how "down in the weeds" .Net'rs are willing to go to look at our team.

But I have to say, I'm regretting starting this tread. I came out way to negative. I made it sound like we couldn't win. I'm going to call it temporary insanity. Our team has a GREAT chance to win here. Atlanta at the end of the day is a one trick pony. Now they are very good at that one trick, but we've played tougher and harder this season.

The 49er's are a better version of the Falcons and we played them tough at home when we were just getting started. Not to mention how many ways have the Hawks won this year? No doubt this game we are going to win in a way we have not seen. Because our coaching staff is just that good, our team is just that confidant, and our players are "schwaggerriffic".

Screw doubts, it's totally out of my control anyways. Like I said before, this team has done nothing to deserve my doubt.

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The Falcons haven't played a top 5 defense at all this year. The best defense they played was arguably the Cardinals, and that was a 4 point game at Atlanta.

(Ranking by Pts/G allowed)
Redskins: #22
Raiders: #28
Eagles: #29
Cowboys: #24
Saints: #31 (1 LOSS)
Cardinals: #17
Buccs: #23 (1 LOSS)
Panthers: #18 (LOSS)
Giants: #12
Lions: #27
Seahawks: #4

(Ranking by Passing Yds/G allowed)
Redskins: #30
Raiders: #20
Eagles: #9
Cowboys: #19
Saints: #31 (1 LOSS)
Cardinals: #5
Buccs: #32 (1 LOSS)
Panthers: #13 (LOSS)
Giants: #28
Lions: #14
Seahawks #6

Lets face it, these teams match perfectly in favor of the Seahawks. If you were to pick any team to defend against Atlanta's passing attack, you would be forced to consider Seattle. I would even argue that Irvin/Scruggs might be a better combo against Atlanta's pass heavy offense than Clemons/part time Irvin. Expect at least two interceptions.

Atlanta's defense is above average, but we've seen what the Seahawks can do against some of the best defenses of the league. We finally have a dual threat QB, with too many options to defend against. Yes, Atlanta played against RG3 in Week 5 (winning by 7), but we have to keep in mind that the Redskins didn't really shine as a team until week 11. Atlanta traded games with Cam Newton, with the only win by only 2 points. The Seahawks are better than both teams in every category.

My prediction? A wild stomping of 35 - 14 Seahawks. Irvin comes up with 2 sacks. Sherman grabs an INT.


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This thread has been an interesting read. In this situation, against this quarterback, the defensive ends are less important in applying pressure than the interior defensive linemen. If the Seahawks can get pressure up the middle, they can force Ryan to fade back in the pocket and not be able to step into his throws. They don't have to sack him, or even hit him, just make him uncomfortable.

I'm only worried about us in the slot. I expect to see a lot more cover 3 than cover 1 or cover 2 man.


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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns.



I agree with your first sentence here.

I could not disagree more with your 2nd sentence. This is a game we need to win, whether it's by 1 point off of a last second FG or it's by 30.

As long as the Seahawks walk out of Atlanta with a win and a team as healthy as we went in there with, that's the ONLY thing that matters. Let other people worry about what messages get sent, what the pundits say, or what Vegas does. The win is the only thing.

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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns.



I agree with your first sentence here.

I could not disagree more with your 2nd sentence. This is a game we need to win, whether it's by 1 point off of a last second FG or it's by 30.

As long as the Seahawks walk out of Atlanta with a win and a team as healthy as we went in there with, that's the ONLY thing that matters. Let other people worry about what messages get sent, what the pundits say, or what Vegas does. The win is the only thing.


Agree. Though I will say that given the Falcons' ability to strike quickly with Jones, a 2 score lead would not go amiss. It's in Seattle's best interest to score early and often so they can control the tempo the rest of the game.

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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns.



I agree with your first sentence here.

I could not disagree more with your 2nd sentence. This is a game we need to win, whether it's by 1 point off of a last second FG or it's by 30.

As long as the Seahawks walk out of Atlanta with a win and a team as healthy as we went in there with, that's the ONLY thing that matters. Let other people worry about what messages get sent, what the pundits say, or what Vegas does. The win is the only thing.


Agree. Though I will say that given the Falcons' ability to strike quickly with Jones, a 2 score lead would not go amiss. It's in Seattle's best interest to score early and often so they can control the tempo the rest of the game.


Yeah, I want to see some of those patented 85-yard, 8-minute drives from the Seahawks while they put up a 2 score lead. But in the end, I don't care how it gets done as long as our season doesn't end this weekend.

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Of Denver, New England, Atlanta and Green Bay, I would consider Atlanta the weakest of the group. This is a game we need to win by a couple of touchdowns.



I agree with your first sentence here.

I could not disagree more with your 2nd sentence. This is a game we need to win, whether it's by 1 point off of a last second FG or it's by 30.

As long as the Seahawks walk out of Atlanta with a win and a team as healthy as we went in there with, that's the ONLY thing that matters. Let other people worry about what messages get sent, what the pundits say, or what Vegas does. The win is the only thing.


Agree. Though I will say that given the Falcons' ability to strike quickly with Jones, a 2 score lead would not go amiss. It's in Seattle's best interest to score early and often so they can control the tempo the rest of the game.


Nobody would disagree a win is a win. You may have missed my point. I'm still trying to gauge this teams chances in the SB run. Given how our season developed there are still a lot of questions. And the question that is going to be answered here is, how well do we play against a quality passer on the road in the Playoffs. So if you look at Manning, Brady, Rogers, we are talking about QB's at a higher level than Ryan (not by much he comes in #5).

So what I'm looking for is how we defend against, to get an idea of our chances moving forward. And if we can outscore the Falcon's by two TD's, I'm comfortable with Winning by 3 (or 7) against Brady/Manning/Rogers.


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This thread title threw me off, I had just gotten done typing the same thing into WebMD.

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Seriously, I do believe ET is going to have to shade to Browner's side because I don't see him having sustained success against Jones or White. Sherm will give up one or two but also make one or two great plays (int.?) cuz he IS Richard Sherman. Gonzalez will get some but it'll come with a price. Slot receiver will also get some though as mentioned earlier, adjustments may help that issue.

Run the ball Hawks, then run it and then run some more.



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Do whatever the Giants did last season to hold them to 2 points. They had the same weapons.

The problem with this Greg is that the Giants generate a LOT of pass rush with their front 4 while the Hawks simply do not. IMO that was the main ingredient for their success last year vs. Atl. leaving plenty of coverage available on the back end as well as plenty of pressure to turn Matty Ice into Matty Water.

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Agree. Though I will say that given the Falcons' ability to strike quickly with Jones, a 2 score lead would not go amiss. It's in Seattle's best interest to score early and often so they can control the tempo the rest of the game.


Nobody would disagree a win is a win. You may have missed my point. I'm still trying to gauge this teams chances in the SB run. Given how our season developed there are still a lot of questions. And the question that is going to be answered here is, how well do we play against a quality passer on the road in the Playoffs. So if you look at Manning, Brady, Rogers, we are talking about QB's at a higher level than Ryan (not by much he comes in #5).

So what I'm looking for is how we defend against, to get an idea of our chances moving forward. And if we can outscore the Falcon's by two TD's, I'm comfortable with Winning by 3 (or 7) against Brady/Manning/Rogers.


Every game is distinct and different. Winning by 2 TDs against Ryan wouldn't suggest that we can win against Manning or Brady on a neutral field. At this point in the season, the quality of teams is so close that anyone can beat anyone, regardless of how the final score turned out.

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I will trust what Sherm said earlier- "We are built for a 12 round heavyweight fight". They will get some but in the end I think our D on the road gets them a little better. Anything can happen but I just don't see us losing this one.


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I as a Falcons fan was dissapointed to see we would be taking on the Seahawks. Their athletic secondary scares me and will be quite a matchup against our receivers. While our running game is hopeless. The X factor in this game is Tony G, I think we can get him going.


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I as a Falcons fan was dissapointed to see we would be taking on the Seahawks. Their athletic secondary scares me and will be quite a matchup against our receivers. While our running game is hopeless. The X factor in this game is Tony G, I think we can get him going.


As you hopefully have seen on this board, a lot of us feel the same way. Seattle has a tendency to lose track of RBs and TEs slipping out of the backfield. At least for awhile.

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Remember.. Browner and sherman do NOT switch sides... they only move sherman over when browner is NOT in...
if they do i have never seen it...
matter of fact while browner is in... Sherman, and browner will be on there respected sides Prior to the offense even coming out..

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[quote="drdiags"]Kam cannot cover Gonzalez. KJ Wright got burned by Gonzalez last year as well as Chancellor.

Chancellor didn't play in the last game against the falcons, Atari Bigby started in his place, so we can't say whether or not Chancellor can do it.

Kam didn't look great giving up 2 touchdowns last week, but i think the threat of Morris and RG3 running had him hesitating alot and leaving paulson and royster open in the end zone, he wasn't beat by them physically or anything. I believe the hawks have the personnel to match up with the falcons, i just can't see the value Trufant brings anymore over maxwell or lane.


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Kam will probably be on Gonzalez is my guess, He's pretty decent on coverage, and if he hits him like he did Davis, then Tony retires early.

As for the 2 other boys, White and Jones, I think with Thomas in the back, and if sherm and browner can disrupt their timing, we should be ok.

We HAVE to get a pass rush HAVE to rattle Matt Ryan.

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Yasinskas: I think the Falcons have to come out and be very aggressive with their passing game. It's the strength of their offense. This is a different team than in the past. Michael Turner is at the end of his career and this is not a running team any longer. Roddy White and Julio Jones are big, physical receivers, so I say let's see strength on strength with Seattle's corners. I think White and Jones can get open against anyone, so the Falcons need to take their chances. Plus, this passing game is about more than just Jones and White. They command so much attention that tight end Tony Gonzalez and slot receiver Harry Douglas could be forgotten about. I think Douglas and/or Gonzalez could end up being key players in this game.

Sando: Seattle has been very good against tight ends for the most part. I'd be surprised if Gonzalez factored in a big way. Seattle has allowed three touchdown passes to tight ends this season, tied for second fewest in the NFL. The Seahawks have allowed 10 scoring passes to wide receivers, the fifth fewest in the league. Sherman had eight picks and three forced fumbles this season, joining Ed Reed, Charles Woodson and Walt Harris as the only players to reach those totals in a season over the past decade. The Seahawks are not as strong at nickel corner, however. And with leading sacker Chris Clemons likely out with a knee injury, life could get tougher for Seattle in the secondary.

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This game is really bothering me. My gut said this game was easier than the Washington game. But guts are dumb, math is better.

It’s easy to see; the Falcons beat you by passing the ball... a lot. For the 2012 season they are ranked 26th (378) in rushing attempts as opposed to 8th (615) in passing attempts. And when they do run the ball its bad, ranked 29th they are averaging 3.7 yards per carry and 87 yards per game (which is an inflated number, from runs happening after 10+ point leads… clock management runs).

So how the heck does an arguably one dimensional offense put up a 13-3 record. Well of course by having a very talented triple threat called Roddy White, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez.

Interesting Receiving Facts
1) WR1: Roddy White is technically the WR1 with 124 targets. But as shown below the equal distribution between all three is relatively close.
2) WR2: The “WR2” position is technically split between Jones and Gonzalez, with 129/124 targets respectively. The point being, Gonzales is targeted more like a receiver then a TE.
3) Slot: Same with your slot receiver Harry Morgan, who has split targets with RB Jaquizz Rogers this year 59/59 respectively.
4) LONG: White and Jones are both deep threats with 17/18 20+ yard catches on the season.
5) YAC: Among Receivers (Not RB’s) with 50 or more catches Jones is ranked 11nd and White is ranked 20th in Yards after the Catch. Only Dallas and Cinci have receiver pairs in the top 20 in YAC.
6) TD: White/Roddy/Gonz has near equal TD distribution.

SEA DEF v. Passing. (FO.com)
v. WR#1 - Rank 1 | White
v. WR#2 - Rank 10 | Jones
v. SLR - Rank 10 | Harry Douglas
v. TE - Rank 17 | Gonzales
v. RB – Rank 9 | Jaqquiz Rogers (Turner isn’t worth putting here for passing)

Keys to the game:

1) Seattle has to win the first half of the game: Atlanta has won every game in which it was leading in the first half. Atlanta has lost every game in which it was not leading in the first half. (We may not want to defer the kickoff this game)
2) Atlanta always finishes strong: Atlanta has outscored every opponent in the second half this year, except twice against Detroit (both wins).
3) You’re dealing with 3 legit primary receivers when playing the Falcon’s.
4) Pass Rush or CB’s: Since we probably aren’t going to out pass Matt Ryan, and even if we slow the game down by rushing Lynch, what is the answer to 3 Quality Targets, and 2 Mid Targets(Rogers/Douglas). I don’t think we have an answer unless we are running some type of Bandit/Nickle D all 4 downs? Because our pass rush against good O-Lines has only been good in spurts and never sustained.

Is Browner an answer to Julio Jones (does he have the speed to keep up with Jones on fly’s)? Is our LB core the answer to Gonzales? What about Jauqizz and Douglas?

Somebody help me here, I’m worried

Patriots are a pass happy bunch---We beat them, because we MADE them play smashmouth Football.
Packers?, they too had to deal with a totally different kind of game that wasn't geared to favor their style of play.
This won't be an easy game for EITHER team.


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Chancellor didn't play in the last game against the falcons, Atari Bigby started in his place, so we can't say whether or not Chancellor can do it.


How did I miss this?

CRS.

I forgot that Kam didn't play. I just remember Gonzalez making big time catches in the 4th quarter to extend drives and the TD he caught on KJ Wright. Sorry Kam. But please do better than you did in Washington.

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Remember.. Browner and sherman do NOT switch sides... they only move sherman over when browner is NOT in...
if they do i have never seen it...
matter of fact while browner is in... Sherman, and browner will be on there respected sides Prior to the offense even coming out..


When they're playing man, they will move with their assignment if they go in motion (as you would normally do when playing man). I've seen Sherman and Browner on the same side of the field plenty of times, but I don't think they ever swap sides to change the match-up.

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I agree with most of the stuff I'm hearing, BUT...

Seattle has done very very well against passing offenses this season. Only two offenses have beat us with a passing game - Miami and Detroit. And neither of those teams put up crazy points. In fact, both of them beat us in the final minutes of the game. Our offense was as much to blame in those losses as our defense as well.

The way Seattle is playing right now, I honestly don't see them losing. I think they're going to get very creative and aggressive, we should see more blitzes than we've seen all season. The #1 way to eliminate the deep threat is to get Sherman and Browner into man coverage, play single high safety to help out the CBs, and bring up one safety to rush the passer from the opposite end as Bruce Irvin, or fake the rush and drop back into the middle for coverage. The Seahawks do this very well. They were sacking the hell out of Rodgers with this same strategy. Yeah, Rodgers got some short passes completed up the middle, and they were able to dink-and-dunk their way to a single TD that way. But that's all they got.

I don't believe Atlanta has a better passing game than Green Bay. I've watched Matt Ryan closely the last few seasons, because I kept drafting him in my fantasy league. He's not a mobile QB, he's not going to roll out of the pocket to escape two unblocked rushers and find one of his receivers deep. He doesn't read coverage as well as Aaron Rodgers and is not as effective under pressure. He doesn't necessarily panic, but his accuracy gets "off" a little when he's getting rushed. I can see the Seahawks taking advantage.

Also, he has not faced a secondary like Seattle yet this season. It will be fun to see him trying to pass on us. It actually gives us an advantage. I don't think you can beat Seattle with just a passing attack, you MUST be able to run and have good balance, and Atlanta does not have that. These Falcons fans talking about Jaquizz Rodgers must be kidding. The guy is no threat to Seattle's defense, they will easily shut him down. Jaquizz is not a power runner, he is light on his feet and doesn't get yards after contact. He averages about 3.5YPC most games. He's had 2 TDs his entire career. The mention of his name earlier had me laughing. Seattle will destroy Rodgers, I'm actually worried about him staying healthy in this game.

I watched both the Panthers and Bucs games last night to refresh my memory and saw some similarities in those losses. Both teams focused on running early against the Falcons, who were unable to stop the run. I'm not sure how they've won so many games other than that I think teams are trying to keep up with them. They tend to score early with that passing game, and you see teams abandoning the run trying to catch up. Seattle will not do this.

Also, in both the Panthers and Bucs game, I noticed a tendency in Matt Ryan and how he reacts to being down early. I saw him trying to force some passes under pressure, and both teams were able to take advantage with turnovers. If there is one secondary out there who can shut down a vertical passing attack, it is the Legion of Boom.

Also, our running game is relentless, and we are able to get rushing yards from the QB position. If you watch the Panthers game, Cam Newton looked like an All-Pro out there. The Falcons defense wasn't quick enough to stuff Newton, so he was getting solid yardage on every scramble. Their defense does not respond well to mobile QBs, or at least, they didn't in that game.

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts......


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Was watching NFL network. They brought up a point about how the Refs call the game. Could you imagine getting a PI or 2 in the first quarter. How would that change things?


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HansGruber wrote:
I agree with most of the stuff I'm hearing, BUT...

I don't believe Atlanta has a better passing game than Green Bay. I've watched Matt Ryan closely the last few seasons, because I kept drafting him in my fantasy league. He's not a mobile QB, he's not going to roll out of the pocket to escape two unblocked rushers and find one of his receivers deep. He doesn't read coverage as well as Aaron Rodgers and is not as effective under pressure. He doesn't necessarily panic, but his accuracy gets "off" a little when he's getting rushed. I can see the Seahawks taking advantage.......


Interesting stat I saw when researching Matt Ryan.

Atlanta has one of the lowest # of sacks (Rnk 7th with 27)
But one of the highest amount of QB hits (Rnk 8th with 84)

Not sure if I should interpret this as a guy who hangs tough in the pocket. Haven't seen a lot of Atlanta games this year. May have to pony up for the NFL Rewind.


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HansGruber wrote:
I agree with most of the stuff I'm hearing, BUT...

I don't believe Atlanta has a better passing game than Green Bay. I've watched Matt Ryan closely the last few seasons, because I kept drafting him in my fantasy league. He's not a mobile QB, he's not going to roll out of the pocket to escape two unblocked rushers and find one of his receivers deep. He doesn't read coverage as well as Aaron Rodgers and is not as effective under pressure. He doesn't necessarily panic, but his accuracy gets "off" a little when he's getting rushed. I can see the Seahawks taking advantage.......


Interesting stat I saw when researching Matt Ryan.

Atlanta has one of the lowest # of sacks (Rnk 7th with 27)
But one of the highest amount of QB hits (Rnk 8th with 84)

Not sure if to interpret this as a guy who hangs tough in the pocket. Haven't seen a lot of Atlanta games this year. May have to pony up for the NFL Rewind.


I downloaded a handful of Falcon games via bit torrent. Hit me up via PM if you're interested, the mods have asked me not to share that info on the forum due to potential copyright issues.

I've only watched 4-5 Falcon games this season, but one common theme I noticed with Matt Ryan is that he is pretty cool in the pocket, in the sense that he won't panic and take off running, or make really bad decisions. He's pretty good that way. But he does seem to lose some accuracy. I saw a handful of plays where he threw deep under pressure and his receivers were able to use their size and athleticism to recover and make the catch. That works well against most of the small CBs in this league. It will not work against Seattle's secondary. If Ryan is not pinpoint with every pass, we WILL come up with INTs. I said it last week against Griffin and I believe it holds true this week as well. Our secondary is so large and so fast that no QB can throw medium or deep passes against them without laser-tight accuracy on EVERY throw. Because one of those guys WILL pick you off.


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I also think this game will come down to turnovers. Atlanta is disciplined but they rely too heavily on their passing game, which gives us our defense a lot of opportunities for turnovers. With a high-scoring and effective offense like Seattle, that can run the ball and chew down the clock, it will be difficult for Atlanta to recover from turnovers. They just don't have the defense to effectively stop Seahawks offense from running the clock and grinding out points.


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Seattle's offense is better than the Falcon defense and I consider the Seahawk defense vs. Falcon offense a wash. Russell Wilson has moved this team against much better defenses and Seattle's defense has stopped much better offenses this year. Just sit back and enjoy the game.

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I think Atlanta has a hard time winning against teams that produce big yards on the ground because it throws their offense out of rhythm. keep matt ryan off the field long enough and I bet he starts to feel anxious and out of sync. let him just pour on the yards in a game with all those weapons and i'm sure they will go 13-3. oh what do you know? in their two recent losses they lost the time of possession battle 35-24, and 32-27. we owned the ball for 34 minutes against a MUCH better run defense in Washington. to calm your fears, if we hold turner out of the endzone in the redzone and force field goals, we win. that's where the battle will happen. to further calm your fears, tarvaris Jackson almost beat the falcons last year. yes, Julio jones and roddy white were both there, jones went off actually, and tarvaris Jackson almost pulled it off. ok, one more time to calm your fears, they beat Oakland by 3, Arizona by 4, cowboys by 6, lost to the bucs once and beat them by one the other. this team is as mortal as it gets for a #1 seed.


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Seattle has done very very well against passing offenses this season. Only two offenses have beat us with a passing game - Miami and Detroit. And neither of those teams put up crazy points. In fact, both of them beat us in the final minutes of the game. Our offense was as much to blame in those losses as our defense as well.


I don't think I will ever understand this line of thinking. Any game that you have a lead in the fourth quarter that you end up losing, it is on the defense for not holding the lead. We scored 21 and 24 respectively, which should have been good enough to win.

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I don't think I will ever understand this line of thinking. Any game that you have a lead in the fourth quarter that you end up losing, it is on the defense for not holding the lead. We scored 21 and 24 respectively, which should have been good enough to win.


Your defense will not always be able to keep every offense from scoring on every drive, and I don't see that as a legitimate measurement of the quality of a defense. That's why most Super Bowl winners are balanced teams. You HAVE to have good offense AND defense (or a lot of luck) to consistently win and beat all opponents.

It was a great game by Tannehill and the Miami offense, who were playing really fast trying to keep our defense tired, and it was probably Tannehill's best game of the season. The dude was just "on" that day. Our offense only scored on 3 out of 10 drives. When you play high-scoring pass-heavy offenses, you MUST be able to score more consistently than that, because 21-24 points is generally not enough to win.


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