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We better go get some wide receivers and a TE so we can field a team this weekend. I can't believe we forgot about those guys.


I took up begging outside the duomo yesterday so I could send the proceeds to the hawks to get wide receivers and tight ends.


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I think thats fair for Seahawk fans to say. I have watched your team demolish the last 3 out of 4 opponents, and I'm very thankful we are not playing in your house. These 2 teams are the hottest in the NFC right now, and I think the only thing that sets these 2 teams apart will be where this game is played. This is a game that looks like the 12th man will be the MVP.


To be fair, here's a more educated post.

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I have a few hours logged on Seahawks film already, only 25% done but already see a lot of issues we will exploit. Tough at home and average on the road.. No idea why the Seahawks fans feel so confident.


He must be starting from game 1 and going sequentially.

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We have a more than capable squad; the time for being nervous is over. Hell we been nervous every week since we were 3-6. Now its just time to believe that we will pull it out. I love when games are personal, you play harder. Seattle has no wrs or TE which should do wonders for our D ie focusing on 2 keys. ( Lynch/Wilson). We can beat these guys. We will beat these guys... HTTR


Apparently we have "no wrs or TE".



We have no divas and tight ends who only know how to score touchdowns and can't block worth a lick.


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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


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After visiting the Redskin fans forums, I keep finding myself chuckling at what they're saying, so I thought I'd start a thread to share for those who don't wonder over. If anyone else has good one's, please share. This one struck my funny bone...


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I do find it HILARIOUS that every few years that go by and the Redskins decide to make the playoffs, oh guess what the Seahawks up and decided they want to get off the lazy chair and squeeze in also. Like a distant cousin who doesn't join the marathon until you do, just to annoy you.

But not this time


he's almost right... :?


since 2000 the Skins have made the playoffs a whopping 2 times! while the Hawks reached post season just a lousy 6 times since 2000...


yup those seahawks been stalkin the skinnies hard! lol


sheesh, this might be a good game after all? I'm thinking many a skins fans are going to get lost on their way to the game this sunday... :shock:

pass it on, hey Redskins fans, the game is Sunday, not Saturday, not Monday, Sunday... no excuses... :P

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You guys really want to understand Redskins fans' points of view? It has to do with a lot more than just us beating them in the playoffs. At both games, a bunch of their fans were treated like shit, having beer and smoke bombs thrown at them among other things. At the second game, some Seahawk fans said some really nasty things about Sean Taylor to Redskins fans who were still grieving. And they don't like being called racist.

It doesn't matter to them what the majority of Seahawk fans are like, if their interactions with Seahawk fans are overwhelmingly negative.

They have contempt for us as a fan base, more than any other team including the Cowboys. And they don't give a crap about what we think, just like we don't give a crap about what they think.


I'm not saying anybody has to change their ways, or anything like that. But if you want to understand Redskins fans' POV, that is some important background.

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So because a couple fans are "allegedly" rude to you, you are rude to an entire fanbase.

With that said you show us well with your comments on that hilarious "extreme" board. But their general attitude towards other fans is pretty bad.

I honestly just can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Never trust a fanatic (not you, them).


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so a little rough housing at the game equates to Seattle stalking the Redskins?

wow, I'm a closet skins fan, wont be wearing my Skins shirt on Sunday but that wont change the fact the Hawks have played in 11 post season games since 2000 and the Skinnies have played an astronomical 3 since 2000, just cuz they lost 2 of those games to the Seahawks doesn't mean they're being stalked..

also people that assault others anywhere any time should be jailed and that doesn't mean every Seahawks fan is a criminal, good grief is this the best drama you guys can come up with?

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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


We are getting the same disrespect with regard to how great your defense is, and you getting 5th in the ESPN poll while we were only 8th. Especially since we did beat you last year, in Seattle.


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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


We are getting the same disrespect with regard to how great your defense is, and you getting 5th in the ESPN poll while we were only 8th. Especially since we did beat you last year, in Seattle.


You beat us because Tarvaris couldn't match Rex Grossman w/ the game on the line. I trust Russell Wilson to be able to go throw for throw with Bob Griffin.


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RiggoReincarnated wrote:
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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


We are getting the same disrespect with regard to how great your defense is, and you getting 5th in the ESPN poll while we were only 8th. Especially since we did beat you last year, in Seattle.


Fair enough, but between last year and this year you are talking about two totally different teams. The Seahawks are should be rated higher as they have a better defense, and statistically that can make a big difference in the playoffs, especially with teams going on the road.


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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


We are getting the same disrespect with regard to how great your defense is, and you getting 5th in the ESPN poll while we were only 8th. Especially since we did beat you last year, in Seattle.


Last year is not this year's team. You should be ranked lower in the power rankings this year because you didn't have as strong as season as we have had this year.

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I think they should compare our 2007 teams when doing power ratings. Makes almost as much sense as using last year's games.

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Yeah, the Redskins offense, if you take the whole year's stats, has been slightly better than the Seahawks. If you look at the last chunk of games, it appears the Seahawks have edged them out. Either way, even if we concede offense to the Skins, the difference between the defenses is not slight. The Seahawks straight up have a very significantly better defense. They allow 9 points less a game than the Redskins.


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So because a couple fans are "allegedly" rude to you, you are rude to an entire fanbase.

With that said you show us well with your comments on that hilarious "extreme" board. But their general attitude towards other fans is pretty bad.

I honestly just can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Never trust a fanatic (not you, them).

Actually, this is exactly what I'm talking about. As long as you view what happened as "a couple of fans" being "'allegedly' rude", and dismiss it out of hand, you are never going to get why they all seem to be so pissed at us.

The "alleged" rudeness during the 2005 divisional game was recorded with photos, and pretty much everyone on the board (including me -- yes, I have been a member there that long) saw them. There were personal accounts of people (women) being intimidated or threatened. IIRC a lot of Redskins-decorated cars were vandalized in the parking lot. Then two years later, when most Redskins fans were still hurting over the loss of Sean Taylor, a lot of people rubbed their noses in it, and said some really nasty, hurtful, even racist things about him. And the news spread on their board, just like it does here.

Now, I'm guessing that most people here on this board would recognize the behavior in these episodes was "classless" if not worse. Unfortunately, we have all been painted with that broad brush. Redskins fans can intellectually acknowledge that of course Seahawks fans consists of all types, and that there are idiots in every crowd, including theirs. But emotionally, they default to the position that we are classless, and therefore have little tolerance for Seahawks fans going to their board and engaging in what might otherwise be regarded as normal smack talk.

Again, I'm not saying people should change their ways, or anything like that. But it is important to understand the background, if you want to understand why people on their board respond to Seahawks fans the way they do now.

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So because a couple fans are "allegedly" rude to you, you are rude to an entire fanbase.

With that said you show us well with your comments on that hilarious "extreme" board. But their general attitude towards other fans is pretty bad.

I honestly just can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Never trust a fanatic (not you, them).

Actually, this is exactly what I'm talking about. As long as you view what happened as "a couple of fans" being "'allegedly' rude", and dismiss it out of hand, you are never going to get why they all seem to be so pissed at us.

The "alleged" rudeness during the 2005 divisional game was recorded with photos, and pretty much everyone on the board (including me -- yes, I have been a member there that long) saw them. There were personal accounts of people (women) being intimidated or threatened. IIRC a lot of Redskins-decorated cars were vandalized in the parking lot. Then two years later, when most Redskins fans were still hurting over the loss of Sean Taylor, a lot of people rubbed their noses in it, and said some really nasty, hurtful, even racist things about him. And the news spread on their board, just like it does here.

Now, I'm guessing that most people here on this board would recognize the behavior in these episodes was "classless" if not worse. Unfortunately, we have all been painted with that broad brush. Redskins fans can intellectually acknowledge that of course Seahawks fans consists of all types, and that there are idiots in every crowd, including theirs. But emotionally, they default to the position that we are classless, and therefore have little tolerance for Seahawks fans going to their board and engaging in what might otherwise be regarded as normal smack talk.

Again, I'm not saying people should change their ways, or anything like that. But it is important to understand the background, if you want to understand why people on their board respond to Seahawks fans the way they do now.


While those actions are despicable, it happens everywhere. Every fanbase has ~1% idiots (49ers are upwards of 40% based on my calculations)

Me and my girlfriend were harassed at a Denver game a few years back (which I didn't mind but she hated it). And I had always heard mostly good stories about Broncos fans. Point is, it's prevalent everywhere. It's unfortunate anyone has to be a moron at the game, but it happens with every fan base. Skins fans holding a grudge over a few loudmouths is ridiculous. Be mad at us for the final score, but at least admit that's why you're angry.


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While those actions are despicable, it happens everywhere. Every fanbase has ~1% idiots (49ers are upwards of 40% based on my calculations)

Me and my girlfriend were harassed at a Denver game a few years back (which I didn't mind but she hated it). And I had always heard mostly good stories about Broncos fans. Point is, it's prevalent everywhere. It's unfortunate anyone has to be a moron at the game, but it happens with every fan base. Skins fans holding a grudge over a few loudmouths is ridiculous. Be mad at us for the final score, but at least admit that's why you're angry.

It would be ridiculous, if that's all it was. Was your car vandalized in Denver? Was your girlfriend groped at the game? If she had been, would it make a difference in your opinion?

Our 1% made a 40% impression. They are mad about losing those playoff games, but that isn't why the anger is visceral.

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For me it's not "why" you react, it's how you react that defines class. I appreciate you giving me the background to understand the behaviour. If it was me at the receiving end of that I would be angry. It's still no excuse. I'm not saying saintly "turn the other cheek", and honestly if that's how they want to play, more power to them, but they will get no sympathy from me, I did none of things you described.

By the way, I'm not attacking you for defending them, I understand you are trying to close some wounds here. There was a couple guys I like over on that forum, well one guy, but I wasn't on for very long.


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While those actions are despicable, it happens everywhere. Every fanbase has ~1% idiots (49ers are upwards of 40% based on my calculations)

Me and my girlfriend were harassed at a Denver game a few years back (which I didn't mind but she hated it). And I had always heard mostly good stories about Broncos fans. Point is, it's prevalent everywhere. It's unfortunate anyone has to be a moron at the game, but it happens with every fan base. Skins fans holding a grudge over a few loudmouths is ridiculous. Be mad at us for the final score, but at least admit that's why you're angry.

It would be ridiculous, if that's all it was. Was your car vandalized in Denver? Was your girlfriend groped at the game? If she had been, would it make a difference in your opinion?

Our 1% made a 40% impression. They are mad about losing those playoff games, but that isn't why the anger is visceral.

BT, I call BS. If they won that game in January 2008, they would be a lot different about this. Our 1% made a 99% impression, and you are the only one grandfathered in. And that is because you get on with one of their pissy mods. I read your post over there, and I thought it was pandering to them. Which is what they want. So good for you.

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Wow, we only have Lynch and Wilson. That's going to make Baldwin/Rice really sad. Hell even Kearse makes great caches for our team. I love all the disrespect coming from over in DC. It's getting me fired up for the game.


We are getting the same disrespect with regard to how great your defense is, and you getting 5th in the ESPN poll while we were only 8th. Especially since we did beat you last year, in Seattle.



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the way, I'm not attacking you for defending them, I understand you are trying to close some wounds here. There was a couple guys I like over on that forum, well one guy, but I wasn't on for very long.

Believe it or not, I'm not defending them, or trying to close any wounds. I'm merely trying to explain them.


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BT, I call BS. If they won that game in January 2008, they would be a lot different about this. Our 1% made a 99% impression,

If your theory is correct, then if they win this game, that will soften their attitudes toward us. (I kinda doubt it.)

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and you are the only one grandfathered in. And that is because you get on with one of their pissy mods. I read your post over there, and I thought it was pandering to them. Which is what they want. So good for you.

For those who haven't seen it, here it is:

I honestly have no idea why more people don't get it -- when I come here, I am a visitor in your home. The same is true for any opposing team's forum I visit. While I am prepared to stick up for myself if need be, it is not my job to change anybody's mind, or beat them about the head and shoulders with the "truth". The most I expect to do in a conflict of football opinions is to show that the opposing side of the argument has validity, and isn't just the product of a latte-lubed nut-bag.

And I have never understood people who play the game "Taunt the Mods". Seriously, when I see that happening (and it happens everywhere), I get a game show voice going in my head.

"And now for another edition of Taunt the Mods! Today's contestant is a visitor from Seattle. Tony?"
"Thanks, Bob. Contestant, what is your name?"
"BlueTalon."
"What brings you here today?"
"Well, Tony, I'm a true believer in the Seahawks, and I'm out to spread the good news."
"And you're here to play Taunt the Mods?"
"Yes, Tony. People are idiots, and mods are no exception. They need to be aware that the 1st Amendment protects my right to be an ass on the internet, and I have found ridicule to be a very useful tool in my quest."
"And there you have it, Bob. We'll begin the first round after these messages..."


I take that approach at every opposition forum I visit (i.e., I'm a visitor in their home). There's nothing panderish about that -- we expect and demand it from fans of other teams who visit here. And I really don't get it when people don't get it.

I also don't get it when people seem to test the limits with mods. I have seen it happen here a lot. You haven't?

Using myself as the example in the game-show is just a literary device, though I can see why you might consider it pandering.

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Hey Hawk fans,

I appreciate Talon trying to explain our view to you all. You guys might recognize me from the Extremeskins board. I will admit I'm one of the fans who does take some(possible understatement) issue with Hawk fans. That comes from the 05 and 07 games. First, the vandalism of Redskin cars. Second, Sean Taylor jersey with bullet holes and signs with not just racial comment about Taylor but also comments about how happy Hawk fans are he's dead. (Keep in mind Taylor was one of our players we watched grow up from a slightly immature player to a father who died protecting his son and girlfriend. His kid absolutely changed his life. Redskin fans are still broken about his death to this day. Not kidding.)

My only other issue is the fake punts and stuff to run up the scores. That's a different discussion though. The fact is when fans attack one of the most sensitive topics for Redskin fans combined with the vandalism of our cars we're gonna have a bad impression of your fans. Now we know every fanbase has it's jerks. I know we have them as does any team. However, you must understand it doesn't exactly look good when our rivals weren't even taking shots at Taylor's death. In fact they were the first to call for the helmet number tribute. When you throw this in with the beer dumping and such on our fans at games perhaps its easier to understand why we don't have a positive view of Seahawk fans.


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Hey Hawk fans,

I appreciate Talon trying to explain our view to you all. You guys might recognize me from the Extremeskins board. I will admit I'm one of the fans who does take some(possible understatement) issue with Hawk fans. That comes from the 05 and 07 games. First, the vandalism of Redskin cars. Second, Sean Taylor jersey with bullet holes and signs with not just racial comment about Taylor but also comments about how happy Hawk fans are he's dead. (Keep in mind Taylor was one of our players we watched grow up from a slightly immature player to a father who died protecting his son and girlfriend. His kid absolutely changed his life. Redskin fans are still broken about his death to this day. Not kidding.)

My only other issue is the fake punts and stuff to run up the scores. That's a different discussion though. The fact is when fans attack one of the most sensitive topics for Redskin fans combined with the vandalism of our cars we're gonna have a bad impression of your fans. Now we know every fanbase has it's jerks. I know we have them as does any team. However, you must understand it doesn't exactly look good when our rivals weren't even taking shots at Taylor's death. In fact they were the first to call for the helmet number tribute. When you throw this in with the beer dumping and such on our fans at games perhaps its easier to understand why we don't have a positive view of Seahawk fans.


Watch those games. We didn't run up the score. We pulled the starters FOUR MINUTES into the second half against Arizona. We scored just ONE touchdown on offense in the second half against the Bills (3 minutes into the second half, after Fitzpatrick threw a pick and we started on the Bills 20 yard line). What more do you want us to do other than start playing Leroy Hill at QB and Matt Flynn as our pass rusher??

The whole basis of the "running up the score" appears to have come from 2 plays

We threw the ball on 4th and 23rd over taking a field goal. We could have added points but the whole point is we're winning by a comfortable margin so we can try out things we wouldn't usually get the opportunity to try.

When IS the best time to try a fake punt? Once the score gets to that stage preseason rules apply - you pull your starters and you have your team try out the fun stuff against real opposition to see how well they come off.


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You can't blame him, he only knows what the media tells him and we all know they don't watch the games either.


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I appreciate Talon trying to explain our view to you all. You guys might recognize me from the Extremeskins board. I will admit I'm one of the fans who does take some(possible understatement) issue with Hawk fans. That comes from the 05 and 07 games. First, the vandalism of Redskin cars. Second, Sean Taylor jersey with bullet holes and signs with not just racial comment about Taylor but also comments about how happy Hawk fans are he's dead. (Keep in mind Taylor was one of our players we watched grow up from a slightly immature player to a father who died protecting his son and girlfriend. His kid absolutely changed his life. Redskin fans are still broken about his death to this day. Not kidding.)

My only other issue is the fake punts and stuff to run up the scores. That's a different discussion though. The fact is when fans attack one of the most sensitive topics for Redskin fans combined with the vandalism of our cars we're gonna have a bad impression of your fans. Now we know every fanbase has it's jerks. I know we have them as does any team. However, you must understand it doesn't exactly look good when our rivals weren't even taking shots at Taylor's death. In fact they were the first to call for the helmet number tribute. When you throw this in with the beer dumping and such on our fans at games perhaps its easier to understand why we don't have a positive view of Seahawk fans.


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To our own guys.

I'm one of the few moderators that was around in 05 and can tell you it was miserable with fans from other teams bashing. But Riggo has been around here off and on for several years and Richmond whom I have just exchanged emails with are like most of us. Fans of football teams

I see us and the Skins very much alike and truly enjoy the give and take between such fans as them and our people. We learn more about the teams that way that we ever will saying "oh huh, youse guys suck". lol

And we learn a lot about the people themselves. Thanks from this moderator for coming here to talk football, that's what we're all about. And if some of our people or some of your get out of line they will be equally gone.

but I don't see that happening here.

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I don't care what they say.

As long as I don't hear their fans complaining about the packers game that wouldn't have change this outcome one bit even though idiots on NFL.com are saying we wouldn't even be in the playoffs if we didn't have the ref.

^now that was a long sentence. yeah!

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Ok, I didn't want to go here, because I also believe there are good and bad fans, but seriously. Go to youtube.com and put in "redskins fans fight" and after you watch the 383 videos of Redskins fans acting badly at games, head on back, and keep casting stones. This is about past Seahawks/Skins playoffs and nothing more.

On your forum right now is a picture comparing RW's wife to a donkey. Seriously.


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I like that they hate us. It will make it that much more fun when we knock them out of the playoffs again.


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It's very easy for a small percentage of fans of a team to create a perception about the whole fanbase. It depends on each person's experiences and where those experiences occur.

I recall 2005. I spent a lot of time on the ESPN message boards then. And I can say without a doubt that my time on those boards cemented three fanbases in my mind as the absolute worst, filled with just awful, awful people:

1. Redskins
2. Bears
3. Vikings

That may not be your experience. That may not be the general perception of most NFL fans. Hell, maybe it was just an ESPN board thing. But that's how it shook out for me, and it doesn't surprise me that we rank highly on lists like that for people who had (or even just heard about) bad interactions with some Hawks fans.

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It's very easy for a small percentage of fans of a team to create a perception about the whole fanbase. It depends on each person's experiences and where those experiences occur.

I recall 2005. I spent a lot of time on the ESPN message boards then. And I can say without a doubt that my time on those boards cemented three fanbases in my mind as the absolute worst, filled with just awful, awful people:

1. Redskins
2. Bears
3. Vikings

That may not be your experience. That may not be the general perception of most NFL fans. Hell, maybe it was just an ESPN board thing. But that's how it shook out for me, and it doesn't surprise me that we rank highly on lists like that for people who had (or even just heard about) bad interactions with some Hawks fans.




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To our own guys.

I'm one of the few moderators that was around in 05 and can tell you it was miserable with fans from other teams bashing. But Riggo has been around here off and on for several years and Richmond whom I have just exchanged emails with are like most of us. Fans of football teams

I see us and the Skins very much alike and truly enjoy the give and take between such fans as them and our people. We learn more about the teams that way that we ever will saying "oh huh, youse guys suck". lol

And we learn a lot about the people themselves. Thanks from this moderator for coming here to talk football, that's what we're all about. And if some of our people or some of your get out of line they will be equally gone.

but I don't see that happening here.

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Thanks. I remember this board as always being firm yet fair, one thing I like about it. Each team has their reasons to be confident and concerned going into this matchup. There are no more trap games, no more scrub teams so to speak.

Going into the 05 game, I thought the Seahawks were "soft" based on Mark Brunell converting 3rd downs at will in the regular season game. In the playoffs, I found a completely different team, one well deserving of representing the NFC that year.

Going into 07, I was much less confident...Todd Collins at QB etc. I felt both teams were weaker in this game than the 05 versions...but Collins throwing 2 pick 6's killed us in the 4th quarter.

Going into 2012, I have really no idea what to expect other than 2 teams that will fight the entire 60 minutes. The only Seahawk game I watched this year was the SNF whooping of the 49ers...which was impressive. BUT, it was a must win for you all if you wanted any shot to win the division - and it was at home.

Much like you guys in 05, its easy to take exception if there is an assumption you will be soft or an easy win, especially in your own backyard. We did have a couple games (Steelers and Panthers) where we played horribly this year as a team. One away and one home.

You guys lost to Arizona in the first game of the season. I feel both teams have evolved into something much stronger. Probably the 2 most-improved teams in the NFC from top to bottom, despite injuries which I will not use as an excuse for us (see 2010 Packers).

I didn't personally know anybody that went to the 2005 and 2007 games, so my impression of Seahawk fans has been they are passsionate, yet good people. Who knows what Sunday will bring. We will have to be on our best though, I fully believe the team we are bringing is MUCH better offensively than the 05 team...and on defense we are getting closer to where we need to be...but need to be on our best to counter the multi-dimensional threat of Russell Wilson.

The bad thing for us, is that Seattle seems better defensively than 05...and the offense is readily heading toward its 05 prowess.

I can't wait for this game. First time since 1996 to make the playoffs after a 3-6 start. First time since 1999 winning our division. I was hugging and getting hugged by random people watching the Dallas game after we put that one away. Nobody wants the ride to end here.


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I recall 2005. I spent a lot of time on the ESPN message boards then. And I can say without a doubt that my time on those boards cemented three fanbases in my mind as the absolute worst, filled with just awful, awful people:

1. Redskins
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Play in a division with the Eagles. We may lost the top spot after one game. LOL


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Ok, I didn't want to go here, because I also believe there are good and bad fans, but seriously. Go to youtube.com and put in "redskins fans fight" and after you watch the 383 videos of Redskins fans acting badly at games, head on back, and keep casting stones. This is about past Seahawks/Skins playoffs and nothing more.

On your forum right now is a picture comparing RW's wife to a donkey. Seriously.


Every stadium has fights. Drinking, football, and rivalries. Especially when you play in a division with the cowboys, giants, and eagles LOL. Do you realize how much those fanbases hate each other right? It's pure venom. Note: we have a system in place where fans are undercover patrols at games to limit bad behavior. A great system indeed and every stadium should have it.

Are you talking about our look alike thread? Bud that's our fun thread(besides our OWNED thread). Some are kind of ya know but some are truly hilarious. Some look alike threads for Eagles and such were classics.


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Ok, I didn't want to go here, because I also believe there are good and bad fans, but seriously. Go to youtube.com and put in "redskins fans fight" and after you watch the 383 videos of Redskins fans acting badly at games, head on back, and keep casting stones. This is about past Seahawks/Skins playoffs and nothing more.

On your forum right now is a picture comparing RW's wife to a fdonkey. Seriously.



The area around Washington DC is very diverse. Other than being a hugely divided city for politics, the socio-economic and class differences are vast throughout the DC, Maryland, and Virginia area.

Some of the wealthiest suburbs in the country surround DC...but you go a little farther out and there is a much more blue-collar feel to the fanbase. Alot of these families have had season tickets for years and have passed it down from fathers to sons. I feel that the newer generation has more of a sense of "entitlement" rather than bleeding burgandy and gold. More likely to just get drunk, start fights, and try to reassert their manhood in the stupidest of ways.

You also have to realize, when your fanbase is starved for success as we have been, and we grew up with the Redskins being a proud and powerful franchise - its easy to become deluded when success starts and assert a false sense of braggadocio. Look at what happened with Germany after their economy tanked and they blamed the reparations they had to pay the rest of the world. Easy to see where this fanbase gets a chip on its shoulder...especially when we were dealt a 36 M cap penalty by Goddell and Mara (owner of the Giants).


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You guys really want to understand Redskins fans' points of view? It has to do with a lot more than just us beating them in the playoffs. At both games, a bunch of their fans were treated like shit, having beer and smoke bombs thrown at them among other things. At the second game, some Seahawk fans said some really nasty things about Sean Taylor to Redskins fans who were still grieving. And they don't like being called racist.

It doesn't matter to them what the majority of Seahawk fans are like, if their interactions with Seahawk fans are overwhelmingly negative.

They have contempt for us as a fan base, more than any other team including the Cowboys. And they don't give a crap about what we think, just like we don't give a crap about what they think.


I'm not saying anybody has to change their ways, or anything like that. But if you want to understand Redskins fans' POV, that is some important background.


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Ok, I didn't want to go here, because I also believe there are good and bad fans, but seriously. Go to youtube.com and put in "redskins fans fight" and after you watch the 383 videos of Redskins fans acting badly at games, head on back, and keep casting stones. This is about past Seahawks/Skins playoffs and nothing more.

On your forum right now is a picture comparing RW's wife to a fdonkey. Seriously.



The area around Washington DC is very diverse. Other than being a hugely divided city for politics, the socio-economic and class differences are vast throughout the DC, Maryland, and Virginia area.

Some of the wealthiest suburbs in the country surround DC...but you go a little farther out and there is a much more blue-collar feel to the fanbase. Alot of these families have had season tickets for years and have passed it down from fathers to sons. I feel that the newer generation has more of a sense of "entitlement" rather than bleeding burgandy and gold. More likely to just get drunk, start fights, and try to reassert their manhood in the stupidest of ways.

You also have to realize, when your fanbase is starved for success as we have been, and we grew up with the Redskins being a proud and powerful franchise - its easy to become deluded when success starts and assert a false sense of braggadocio. Look at what happened with Germany after their economy tanked and they blamed the reparations they had to pay the rest of the world. Easy to see where this fanbase gets a chip on its shoulder...especially when we were dealt a 36 M cap penalty by Goddell and Mara (owner of the Giants).


totally agree. You can do the same with "Seahawks fans fight".


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It would be ridiculous, if that's all it was. Was your car vandalized in Denver? Was your girlfriend groped at the game? If she had been, would it make a difference in your opinion?


I'm sure you were asking rhetorically, but I don't appreciate the way you asked. No, the harassment we received was verbal. When it comes to something as serious as what you're describing, who you're rooting for is obviously out the window. If someone is breaking the law, they need to be punished. It's no longer about football. Period. Someone that vandalizes a car or sexually assaults someone is a scumbag, and any team association should never trump that fact. (And the same can be said about anyone that thinks that any Sean Taylor jokes would be funny)

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There is a serial groper in Virginia right now. There you go, all Redskins fans are sexual harassers.

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There is a serial groper in Virginia right now. There you go, all Redskins fans are sexual harassers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cri ... _blog.html


But we play in maryland :?: :lol:


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There is a serial groper in Virginia right now. There you go, all Redskins fans are sexual harassers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cri ... _blog.html


But we play in maryland :?: :lol:


Yet you are from Richmond.

It's a joke and a play on the whole BS of a few represents all.

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Shock2k wrote:
There is a serial groper in Virginia right now. There you go, all Redskins fans are sexual harassers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cri ... _blog.html


But we play in maryland :?: :lol:


Oh Virginia is close enough to make my argument. :sarcasm_on:


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Shock2k wrote:
There is a serial groper in Virginia right now. There you go, all Redskins fans are sexual harassers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cri ... _blog.html


But we play in maryland :?: :lol:


Yet you are from Richmond.


If you are questioning my fandom sir I was born just outside of DC and grew up in Northern VA outside of DC. Now if you are calling me a rapist I don't really don't have a response for that. :lol:

I should note Richmond is a giant Redskins fanbase. Redskins-Cowboys game was most viewed by DC followed by Richmond.


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It would be ridiculous, if that's all it was. Was your car vandalized in Denver? Was your girlfriend groped at the game? If she had been, would it make a difference in your opinion?

I'm sure you were asking rhetorically, but I don't appreciate the way you asked. No, the harassment we received was verbal. When it comes to something as serious as what you're describing, who you're rooting for is obviously out the window. If someone is breaking the law, they need to be punished. It's no longer about football. Period. Someone that vandalizes a car or sexually assaults someone is a scumbag, and any team association should never trump that fact. (And the same can be said about anyone that thinks that any Sean Taylor jokes would be funny)

I still think that judging a fanbase based off isolated experiences is closed minded. And I don't mind saying so.

I was asking rhetorically, FYI. And I don't disagree with you, judging a fan-base on isolated incidents is closed minded.

But (A) it's a lot different when you are the target of one of those isolated incidents, and (B) it's a lot different when the incidents are perceived to be not so isolated. And it's impossible to disassociate such incidents from football and fanbases, when the people being targeted are being targeted exactly because they are fans of the other team.

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I'm not, and I edited the post to explain. You just quoted me before I edited it.

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