How Will This Team Fair Against The Redskins Offense?

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  • Sturm wrote:I love Big Red but he's going to have to deal with RGIII this week on those options. Red is not exactly known for his speed and so I'm wondering how the coaching staff is going to prevent Washington from running RGIII to his side. I can't recall there being a problem with him vs. Kapernick who also likes to run but my memory is hazy.

    I'm hoping that Chancellor will be in the box all day to guard against RG running right around the big guy and preventing Alfred Morris from hitting daylight on those inside runs.

    Would like to see a lot of Cover 1 with Thomas shading towards Browner's side since he's more likely to get burned by Garcon and just leave Sherman on an island all day against his man.

    Oh yeah...and Bruce Irvine gets to go up against Tyler Polumbus. Hell, I didn't even know this guy was still in the league, much less a starter. Irvin should be able to generate pressure on his side, no excuses.


    Big thing Dallas was doing wrong last night was having Ware try to guess where the ball was going. Bring Kam up and have him cut the outside off while the linebackers focus more on Morris and pass coverage. If we can do this, I think we'll be fine. Dallas handled their receivers fairly well last night, though we'll still need to keep an eye on Moss as he's had a knack for finding the end zone this year.
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  • knownone wrote:Not trying to pick on you but that #1 defense you played beat you 27-12. The Skins have beat 2 playoff teams all year a slumping Baltimore and Minnesota.
    I'm not knocking Washington you guys are a pretty solid team.

    I've watched just about every Skins game this year. If Seattle doesn't sleep walk through the first half, I have a hard time seeing how RG3 at 85% can beat us.


    Yea, I remember the Steelers game. That was the game that the skins WR's dropped 10 passes. Literally. Not contesting that we lost, just saying that we have played some decent defenses this year.

    Yes, we've only beat 2 teams that are playoff teams this year but we we're 5-1 in the NFC East which is generally considered the best division in football with 3 of 4 teams at .500 or better. Only the NFC North and AFC North have 3 teams with .500 or better records.

    Again, it will be a tough match up, but the Redskins at their best can score and score in a hurry. At their worst, they lose to the Panters :roll:
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:
    knownone wrote:Not trying to pick on you but that #1 defense you played beat you 27-12. The Skins have beat 2 playoff teams all year a slumping Baltimore and Minnesota.
    I'm not knocking Washington you guys are a pretty solid team.

    I've watched just about every Skins game this year. If Seattle doesn't sleep walk through the first half, I have a hard time seeing how RG3 at 85% can beat us.


    Yea, I remember the Steelers game. That was the game that the skins WR's dropped 10 passes. Literally. Not contesting that we lost, just saying that we have played some decent defenses this year.

    Yes, we've only beat 2 teams that are playoff teams this year but we we're 5-1 in the NFC East which is generally considered the best division in football with 3 of 4 teams at .500 or better. Only the NFC North and AFC North have 3 teams with .500 or better records.

    Again, it will be a tough match up, but the Redskins at their best can score and score in a hurry. At their worst, they lose to the Panters :roll:



    No offense, but I don't think anyone considers the Steelers defense good. Seriously, they are good in YPG, but that is one of the worst stats ever. They allow like 23 PPG, a much better stat.
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  • hawksfan515 wrote:
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    knownone wrote:Not trying to pick on you but that #1 defense you played beat you 27-12. The Skins have beat 2 playoff teams all year a slumping Baltimore and Minnesota.
    I'm not knocking Washington you guys are a pretty solid team.

    I've watched just about every Skins game this year. If Seattle doesn't sleep walk through the first half, I have a hard time seeing how RG3 at 85% can beat us.


    Yea, I remember the Steelers game. That was the game that the skins WR's dropped 10 passes. Literally. Not contesting that we lost, just saying that we have played some decent defenses this year.

    Yes, we've only beat 2 teams that are playoff teams this year but we we're 5-1 in the NFC East which is generally considered the best division in football with 3 of 4 teams at .500 or better. Only the NFC North and AFC North have 3 teams with .500 or better records.

    Again, it will be a tough match up, but the Redskins at their best can score and score in a hurry. At their worst, they lose to the Panters :roll:



    No offense, but I don't think anyone considers the Steelers defense good. Seriously, they are good in YPG, but that is one of the worst stats ever. They allow like 23 PPG, a much better stat.


    Nor are most people saying that the NFC East was the best division this year...historically yes, but not so much this year.
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  • hawksfan515 wrote:
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    knownone wrote:Not trying to pick on you but that #1 defense you played beat you 27-12. The Skins have beat 2 playoff teams all year a slumping Baltimore and Minnesota.
    I'm not knocking Washington you guys are a pretty solid team.

    I've watched just about every Skins game this year. If Seattle doesn't sleep walk through the first half, I have a hard time seeing how RG3 at 85% can beat us.


    Yea, I remember the Steelers game. That was the game that the skins WR's dropped 10 passes. Literally. Not contesting that we lost, just saying that we have played some decent defenses this year.

    Yes, we've only beat 2 teams that are playoff teams this year but we we're 5-1 in the NFC East which is generally considered the best division in football with 3 of 4 teams at .500 or better. Only the NFC North and AFC North have 3 teams with .500 or better records.

    Again, it will be a tough match up, but the Redskins at their best can score and score in a hurry. At their worst, they lose to the Panters :roll:



    No offense, but I don't think anyone considers the Steelers defense good. Seriously, they are good in YPG, but that is one of the worst stats ever. They allow like 23 PPG, a much better stat.



    19 points per game, which is not bad at all. Not great, but not bad.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Yes, we've only beat 2 teams that are playoff teams this year but we we're 5-1 in the NFC East which is generally considered the best division in football with 3 of 4 teams at .500 or better. Only the NFC North and AFC North have 3 teams with .500 or better records.

    Again, it will be a tough match up, but the Redskins at their best can score and score in a hurry. At their worst, they lose to the Panters :roll:


    Lets be honest now. Besides the Redskins the division is mediocre this year. Far cry from "the best division in football".
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  • Earlier in the year, most had the east as the second best division after the NFC north. 3 teams with 0.500+ records is pretty good. Are they second best good? Probably not, but it's not the AFC West either lol. It's a good division.

    The East fielded 2 of the top 10 offenses n football this year.

    They also had all four defenses finish no higher than 15th this year with two finishing in the bottom 3rd of the NFL.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Earlier in the year, most had the east as the second best division after the NFC north.


    Yes, and earlier in man's history, we believed witches were real. In reality, they're not; and in reality, we have more wins than the Redskins but we're a wild card. The NFC East is not one of the top divisions in football, and they haven't been in a good while; regardless of what media pundits (who love anything and everything 'east') took a stab at entering the season.
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    rdskns4eva wrote:Earlier in the year, most had the east as the second best division after the NFC north.


    Yes, and earlier in man's history, we believed witches were real. In reality, they're not; and in reality, we have more wins than the Redskins but we're a wild card. The NFC East is not one of the top divisions in football, and they haven't been in a good while; regardless of what media pundits (who love anything and everything 'east') took a stab at entering the season.


    I dont understand how it is the the East can have 1 team at 10-6, 1 team at 9-7 and one team at 8-8, 2 of which had CONFERENCE records of 8-4 and not say they are one of the better divisions in football. Again, the east isnt the best, but it was a pretty good division this year. It was better than:

    AFC East
    AFC West
    NFC South

    The only divisions that I would say were flat out better were
    NFC West
    NFC North

    I dont think the AFC South was better cause Im not sold on the Colts at all. I think Dallas, Washington and New York could best that team.
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  • Alfred morris scares the dickens out of me. Bobby Wagner can't have another week where he's a step slow. The passing game scares me none. Our corners will squash them like bugs and cam may decapitate someone. Keep the ball away from deangelo hall and pick on josh wilson. I'm worried Haslett can keep wilson on the pocket more than most others. The first team to 20 wins this game.
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  • And oh yeah, the nfc east is pretty bad. The eagles are awful. The cowboys are awful. The giants are awful. The skins arent awful, but arent great either. If the team that won 11 games got to play at home, rather than the team that won a crap division by default, the Hawks win by 20. The redskins are at home, therefore they have a chance.
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  • Tical21 wrote:And oh yeah, the nfc east is pretty bad. The eagles are awful. The cowboys are awful. The giants are awful. The skins arent awful, but arent great either. If the team that won 11 games got to play at home, rather than the team that won a crap division by default, the Hawks win by 20. The redskins are at home, therefore they have a chance.


    Got to win the division...I only say this because the rest of the NFL was screaming at us for having a home game when we were 7-9 last year. I'm fine with it...we need to win a playoff road game sometime this century, so why not now.
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  • Our offense vs Skins D .. skins only thing that helped them beat imo the really crap cowboys... was they blitz ALOT ... which just shows they onw they have a weak defense. Our Defense vs Skins Offense.. I suspect sherman.. possibly browner will get a lot of picks against those slant passes that rg3 loves to throw when he's not attempting to tebow down the center
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  • The way I see it, the Skins only beat 2 teams that were playoff caliber this year. By playoff caliber I mean teams with 10 or more wins on the season. No, it's not the best metric but a good eye test. These two teams were the Ravens and the Vikings.

    Compare that to the Seahawks who beat the Pats (12-4), Packers (11-5), Vikings (10-6), Bears (10-6) and the 49ers (11-4-1).

    In my opinion the Seahawks had a much harder schedule and have proved themselves against top teams, but that was the past and the playoffs are now. Their defense doesn't really scare me... I think they blitz so much to make up for their personell deficiencies.

    The Redskins offense is going to revolve around Morris pounding the ball and RG3 picking up crucial 3rd downs. The Seahawks have shown this year that they get hurt by very fast backs, but often hold powerful runners to mediocre games.

    If the Seahawks can get out ahead and the Skins are playing catch-up, I think we have it in the bag. Take away that run game and they will be hurting big time.

    I think we win pretty much every match-up on both sides of the ball, but it'll be a playoff game and "any given Sunday" is a factor even more so in the postseason.
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  • If the Redskins are going to beat us, it's going to be on the ground. I've watched a couple Redskins games this year, and a lot of their plays were like Flynn against Detroit - dump off, missed tackle, lost containment, and gone. That's not going to happen against us. The Redskins are going to have to grind out a win, and I don't think they're physical enough to do it.

    This game still worries me, though. The whole anything can happen vibe and whatnot.
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  • Tical21 wrote:And oh yeah, the nfc east is pretty bad. The eagles are awful. The cowboys are awful. The giants are awful. The skins arent awful, but arent great either. If the team that won 11 games got to play at home, rather than the team that won a crap division by default, the Hawks win by 20. The redskins are at home, therefore they have a chance.



    lol didnt you guys get a home playoff game with a 7-9 record?

    Won a crap division by default...Giants beat the 49ers and Packers and put 52 up agaisnt the Saints. Giants did have some bad losses and they got stupid at the end, but they are FAR from being a bad team. C'mon now.

    Cowboys are inconsistent but yea for the most part they were not very good.

    The Redskins did not win the east by default. They won 7 in a row and swept their end of season division games. They earned that divison title. They didn't back into the playoffs.
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  • Im feeling pretty confident about this game.
    I group the skins with teams like carolina or minnesota. They generally do a thing or two well but are far from a complete team. Id probly throw chicago in that group as well.
    Sure they have a chance to win, but if we can stop their running game and control the clock we should be fine.
    Honestly the only thing that makes me nervous is that its in their house and that rg3 is hurt. I think if cousins comes in we may struggle (ie Kolb in wk 1).
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  • I think the option to Red's side is a legitimate concern, however I wouldn't be surprised if they assigned Red to crash down on the dive and bring a linebacker up to read RG3, the weakness is that this strategy is susceptable to the slot receiver getting open, its up to Kam and Earl to squeeze the seam route.

    It is absolutely vital that on the stretch plays that Red and Clem set the age and the DT's maintain gap integrity. You got to funnel and set the edge to shut down this scheme.
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  • My biggest concern is the grass field. Hawks are 2-3 on grass fields, beating Carolina and Chicago, but losing to Arizona, Miami and SF. Grass will slow us down. Which means our already crap pass rush will be giving RGIII all the time in the world. We only mustered 8 sacks in those 5 games and 4 of them came against Carolina.
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  • Hey Redskins fans, can you tell me how well your team did defending the read option in your only game against it? I can...you saw 10 read/option plays for 94yds vs Carolina and Cam Newton who we shut down hard. Have fun watching your team lose to the Seahawks again on Sunday.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Earlier in the year, most had the east as the second best division after the NFC north. 3 teams with 0.500+ records is pretty good. Are they second best good? Probably not, but it's not the AFC West either lol. It's a good division.

    The East fielded 2 of the top 10 offenses n football this year.

    They also had all four defenses finish no higher than 15th this year with two finishing in the bottom 3rd of the NFL.


    This is funny.

    NFC East is the biggest cupcake division in the NFC. Put any one of those teams in the NFC West or North and you're looking at 6-10 teams at best. Even in the NFC South, Skins would be lucky to go 8-8.

    Of course, we're all going to see that first-hand on Sunday when the Seahawks destroy the Redskins in the playoffs yet again. It is cute to hear smack talk from the fans of a team who the Seahawks have completely dominated in the playoffs over the last decade.
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  • To the op, Red has long arms.

    Could see Thomas or Sherman or Tru ,maybe on a delayed passrush.

    Has happened afew times earlier in the season.
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  • My girlfriends brother is a skins fan so I have watched them enough and I am getting a good feeling about this game. I think we have an excellent chance going in to Washington and getting the Win. Yes they are high off their win. But it is Dallas and they aren't very good and they beat them twice this season. They also beat Philly twice. The giants, Cleveland and Baltimore, starting at week 11. Minnesota they beat and the Falcons game they lost. Mix in Carolina , Tampa, The Bengals. It hasnt been too brutal.

    These teams are not a great way to get an honest assessment of your team but I am sure it is a confidence builder with each win. Seattle's team, Offense and Defense has been tried and tested by some pretty stiff competition spread out through this season, regardless of who we beat down the last few games of the season. We also did it with some first timers on the field!

    RG3 will be a factor, Can not deny it and if Seattle doesn't play their cards right we could get into trouble. Both teams are going in to the playoffs new at this. But I think Seattle gets the win.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:If the Redskins are going to beat us, it's going to be on the ground. I've watched a couple Redskins games this year, and a lot of their plays were like Flynn against Detroit - dump off, missed tackle, lost containment, and gone. That's not going to happen against us. The Redskins are going to have to grind out a win, and I don't think they're physical enough to do it.

    This game still worries me, though. The whole anything can happen vibe and whatnot.


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  • anybody taking the skins game lightly, has not watched this team... they're explosive, and can move the ball effectively... seahawks better go into this game expecting to score a bunch of points, because IMO this is not going to be a defensive battle, RG3 at 85% is still extremely hard to contain, and is very accurate with medium to long balls... Garcon and Moss are play makers, and could give our bigger corners trouble with their quickness... the running attack does not worry me as much as the passing game.

    their defense does not concern me at all, after all we all know what a liability josh wilson is, although he played well sunday, he can be beat and beat often.... stay away from hall, pick on wilson and the safties..

    should be a good game, if the real hawks teams shows up , we should get the victory.
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  • Here are some facts:

    Only one team has put more than 24 on you - DET in Detroit.

    No one in his right mind can deny your D is a far different animal on the road (BUF game was in Canada and it was BUF). 5 teams ARZ, RAM, 49R, DET, MIA beat you in 8 tries on the road.

    Opinion:

    I'm gonna say we have a better offense than all those teams - even DET which has one WR, an immobile QB, and no ground game.

    Trying to stay on topic, our offense has been responsible for almost all of our points. We are tough to deal with. We have hung 28+ on over half the teams we've played. You will have to stop us without the benefit of us running silent counts and a plethora of noise-induced false starts.

    Both of us are hot. Your job of stopping us in our place will probably be your toughest yet. You will not be getting off the ball against a deafened offense. We will run a random mix and probably try to get your secondary involved in run support. I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line. This plays for you at home but against you on the road - especially against a ground game like ours.

    You are 3-point road favorites. I'm a little surprised. I see this more like pick 'em with a slight edge to us as the home team.

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  • III wrote:Here are some facts:

    Only one team has put more than 24 on you - DET in Detroit.

    No one in his right mind can deny your D is a far different animal on the road (BUF game was in Canada and it was BUF). 5 teams ARZ, RAM, 49R, DET, MIA beat you in 8 tries on the road.

    Opinion:

    I'm gonna say we have a better offense than all those teams - even DET which has one WR, an immobile QB, and no ground game.

    Trying to stay on topic, our offense has been responsible for almost all of our points. We are tough to deal with. We have hung 28+ on over half the teams we've played. You will have to stop us without the benefit of us running silent counts and a plethora of noise-induced false starts.

    Both of us are hot. Your job of stopping us in our place will probably be your toughest yet. You will not be getting off the ball against a deafened offense. We will run a random mix and probably try to get your secondary involved in run support. I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line. This plays for you at home but against you on the road - especially against a ground game like ours.

    You are 3-point road favorites. I'm a little surprised. I see this more like pick 'em with a slight edge to us as the home team.

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    You shouldn't be. There's already been good conversation about the smoke and mirrors of the Redskins 28+ points. (All against bad defenses.) Seattle comes in with the #1 scoring defense and a top 10 offense. I expect the Redskins to give us a game, but if Seattle plays up to its normal strengths, you'll be lucky to break the 20 point barrier. And I highly doubt your defense is going to keep Wilson, Lynch, and crew under that.
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  • well said, nice avatar too by the way..

    problem is you're making the same mistake as every other team we've faced.. trying to judge us on teams we played in the first half of the season... anybody that's followed this team will know that the D started out hot, and the O was very vanilla for the first 6 games of the season give or take , during this time the D cooled down and the offense got hot, now over the last few games, the D is back close to where it was and the offensive has taken off...

    so to compare the present team to the team that lost to Miami and Detroit and NFC west teams, is like comparing this team to last years Tavaris Jackson lead team .. completely different team now, operating on all cylinders in all 3 phases of the game...

    stopping RG3 will be a tough assignment for sure, but your average D at best stopping our O will be an even tougher assignment, at home or not, you've got a tough day ahead of you come sunday. london fletcher will not be having a career day against RW, his age and deminished abilities will be exposed... as will josh wilson, who we let go because he can't cover his for sh*t...

    there's a reason we're 3 point road favorites, we're the better more complete team.
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  • III wrote:I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line.

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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    III wrote:Here are some facts:

    Only one team has put more than 24 on you - DET in Detroit.

    No one in his right mind can deny your D is a far different animal on the road (BUF game was in Canada and it was BUF). 5 teams ARZ, RAM, 49R, DET, MIA beat you in 8 tries on the road.

    Opinion:

    I'm gonna say we have a better offense than all those teams - even DET which has one WR, an immobile QB, and no ground game.

    Trying to stay on topic, our offense has been responsible for almost all of our points. We are tough to deal with. We have hung 28+ on over half the teams we've played. You will have to stop us without the benefit of us running silent counts and a plethora of noise-induced false starts.

    Both of us are hot. Your job of stopping us in our place will probably be your toughest yet. You will not be getting off the ball against a deafened offense. We will run a random mix and probably try to get your secondary involved in run support. I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line. This plays for you at home but against you on the road - especially against a ground game like ours.

    You are 3-point road favorites. I'm a little surprised. I see this more like pick 'em with a slight edge to us as the home team.

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    You shouldn't be. There's already been good conversation about the smoke and mirrors of the Redskins 28+ points. (All against bad defenses.) Seattle comes in with the #1 scoring defense and a top 10 offense. I expect the Redskins to give us a game, but if Seattle plays up to its normal strengths, you'll be lucky to break the 20 point barrier. And I highly doubt your defense is going to keep Wilson, Lynch, and crew under that.


    Well I guess we disagree. You lost more than half your games on the road and we are better (offensively and overall) than all the guys who beat you. But I guess 1/2 the country thinks the spread is about right for what that's worth. Like I said, a little surprised, not shocked. The betting public is fairly ignorant. I like being a home dog.

    This thread IS about your D against our O, right?

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  • III wrote:
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    III wrote:Here are some facts:

    Only one team has put more than 24 on you - DET in Detroit.

    No one in his right mind can deny your D is a far different animal on the road (BUF game was in Canada and it was BUF). 5 teams ARZ, RAM, 49R, DET, MIA beat you in 8 tries on the road.

    Opinion:

    I'm gonna say we have a better offense than all those teams - even DET which has one WR, an immobile QB, and no ground game.

    Trying to stay on topic, our offense has been responsible for almost all of our points. We are tough to deal with. We have hung 28+ on over half the teams we've played. You will have to stop us without the benefit of us running silent counts and a plethora of noise-induced false starts.

    Both of us are hot. Your job of stopping us in our place will probably be your toughest yet. You will not be getting off the ball against a deafened offense. We will run a random mix and probably try to get your secondary involved in run support. I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line. This plays for you at home but against you on the road - especially against a ground game like ours.

    You are 3-point road favorites. I'm a little surprised. I see this more like pick 'em with a slight edge to us as the home team.

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    You shouldn't be. There's already been good conversation about the smoke and mirrors of the Redskins 28+ points. (All against bad defenses.) Seattle comes in with the #1 scoring defense and a top 10 offense. I expect the Redskins to give us a game, but if Seattle plays up to its normal strengths, you'll be lucky to break the 20 point barrier. And I highly doubt your defense is going to keep Wilson, Lynch, and crew under that.


    Well I guess we disagree. You lost more than half your games on the road and we are better (offensively and overall) than all the guys who beat you. But I guess 1/2 the country thinks the spread is about right for what that's worth. Like I said, a little surprised, not shocked. The betting public is fairly ignorant. I like being a home dog.

    This thread IS about your D against our O, right?

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    The offensive point is fair. However, with the exception of the Lions, the teams that beat us on the road have excellent defenses. The teams without excellent defenses were wins. The Redskins do not have an excellent defense.

    And yes, it is about your Offense against our Defense, though there's some wiggle room. (My post was mostly about your O and our D, though.)
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  • Navyhawkfan187 wrote:Hey Redskins fans, can you tell me how well your team did defending the read option in your only game against it? I can...you saw 10 read/option plays for 94yds vs Carolina and Cam Newton who we shut down hard. Have fun watching your team lose to the Seahawks again on Sunday.


    lol thats because you defense is better than ours. Our defense sucked hard during the first half of the season. The defense in the second half, particularly during the last 5 games has been a different animal.

    Remember, this is the new NFL. You dont need a great defense anymore. You just need to get timely stops and turnovers. Im not saying you can win with a bad defense, but if you get turnovers, you're good. If you are +2 in the turnover margin in any game, you chances of winning that game are something crazy like 80%.
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  • Let us be honest. The Seahawks are going to have to play very poorly and the Redskins are going to have to play their best game of the year for this game to be close.
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  • hawker84 wrote:well said, nice avatar too by the way..

    problem is you're making the same mistake as every other team we've faced.. trying to judge us on teams we played in the first half of the season... anybody that's followed this team will know that the D started out hot, and the O was very vanilla for the first 6 games of the season give or take , during this time the D cooled down and the offense got hot, now over the last few games, the D is back close to where it was and the offensive has taken off...

    so to compare the present team to the team that lost to Miami and Detroit and NFC west teams, is like comparing this team to last years Tavaris Jackson lead team .. completely different team now, operating on all cylinders in all 3 phases of the game...

    stopping RG3 will be a tough assignment for sure, but your average D at best stopping our O will be an even tougher assignment, at home or not, you've got a tough day ahead of you come sunday. london fletcher will not be having a career day against RW, his age and deminished abilities will be exposed... as will josh wilson, who we let go because he can't cover his for sh*t...

    there's a reason we're 3 point road favorites, we're the better more complete team.


    Actually, I gave you credit for being hot right now - like us. The main reason you are favored is that Vegas is in the business of predicting and reflecting the opinion of the betting public.

    I think your offense will not run as effectively as usual and that your QB will present problems for our secondary.
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  • SoCalSeahawk wrote:
    III wrote:I might be wrong but I think you are under-sized but over-quick on the D line.

    III


    You are incorrect:

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    DT Branch 6'6" 325
    DT Mebane 6'1" 311
    DE Clemons 6'3" 254


    Yeah, I was definitely focused on the guy you just drafted - Bruce? Thanks for the enlightening info. :th2thumbs:
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  • hawker84 wrote:well said, nice avatar too by the way..


    Thanks.

    hawker84 wrote:problem is you're making the same mistake as every other team we've faced.. trying to judge us on teams we played in the first half of the season...


    Same. Our D has played way better since the bye.

    Neither team will have to play over its head while the other has a bad day in order to win. It's the NFL. Both teams are good. As someone said but did not follow his own advice - let's be honest.
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    rdskns4eva wrote:Earlier in the year, most had the east as the second best division after the NFC north. 3 teams with 0.500+ records is pretty good. Are they second best good? Probably not, but it's not the AFC West either lol. It's a good division.

    The East fielded 2 of the top 10 offenses n football this year.

    They also had all four defenses finish no higher than 15th this year with two finishing in the bottom 3rd of the NFL.


    This is funny.

    NFC East is the biggest cupcake division in the NFC. Put any one of those teams in the NFC West or North and you're looking at 6-10 teams at best. Even in the NFC South, Skins would be lucky to go 8-8.

    Of course, we're all going to see that first-hand on Sunday when the Seahawks destroy the Redskins in the playoffs yet again. It is cute to hear smack talk from the fans of a team who the Seahawks have completely dominated in the playoffs over the last decade.



    This is funny considering that the Skins beat the Vikings and the Giants beat the bears.

    Also, this cupcake schedule talk is nonses. Both the Hawks and the skins had a easy schedule difficuly. You guys had more impressive victories with wins agaisnt the 49ers and Patriots, but your team also lost 4 games agaisnt teams with records below .500. The Skins had two such losses, both agaisnt 7-9 teams (Rams were 7-8-1). You lost to a 5-11 team, and a 4-12 team. Those are facts.

    You guys did play the AFC East which is the worst division in football with the powerhouse teams of the Jets, Dolphins and Bills.

    Not saying we played powerhouses, but again, the teams you played agaisnt had a combined winning % of 50% whereas the Redskins had 49%. It wasnt far off at all.
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  • Let's talk plainly, as a lot of this thread is subjective and dripping with fan bias.

    The Redskins are pretty reliant on their running game, its the basis of the entire offense, just like the Hawks. If the Seahawks contain the running game, this game will not be close.

    In regards to scheme, the offenses that have run the ball with success on us do not run the same type of run schemes as Washington. We struggled with San Francisco's power and trap game, we struggled with New England and Detroits shotgun belly plays. The Skins run a lot of read option and zone stretch plays and dives from the pistol, which haven't been successful against the Seahawks. You can throw out numbers and defame our road record, but I'll be stunned if the Skins tear us up on the ground.
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  • Hog fans keep hanging their hat on our road record. And yet, they were only 5-3 at home. 2 of those three losses were to top ten defenses.
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  • I love it when opposing fans pay close attention to the Seahawk losses from this year while at the same time dismissing the wins Seattle has. With 5 wins in 6 tries against teams with 10 or more wins this year, Seattle has shown it can beat ANYONE. The redskins have played three games against teams with at least 10 wins...they have lost two of those games. Their only quality win came against the Vikings. Seahawks should win this game. They are the better team.
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  • rideaducati wrote:I love it when opposing fans pay close attention to the Seahawk losses from this year while at the same time dismissing the wins Seattle has. With 5 wins in 6 tries against teams with 10 or more wins this year, Seattle has shown it can beat ANYONE. The redskins have played three games against teams with at least 10 wins...they have lost two of those games. Their only quality win came against the Vikings. Seahawks should win this game. They are the better team.


    You cant be talking about my post because my post specifically said your team had more impressive victories. But they had bad losses as well. Everything has bad losses though.
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  • Looking at the Redskins schedule, I don't see a "different team" in the second half of the season. I see a team that was feeding off the bottom of the pool in the late half of the season. Cleveland, Philly, the Giants and Cowboys. Skins are a team with NO defense. Look at the points they give up to even remotely decent teams. They win by outscoring their opponent and when their opponent is any good at all, they lose. They started out 3-6 for a reason: that was the tough part of their schedule. Losses to the decent teams this year.

    Looking over DVOA rankings for the year, the Giants were actually a decent team. Skins won at home by 1pt. But they won. They beat Baltimore, but Baltimore was slumping. they gave up 31 points to the LAMBS. They gave up 38 to Cincinatti. Those are two below average offenses.

    Then you look at their offense and they racked up 28 on that Lambs 7th ranked defense. They racked up 31 against the Bengals 10th rated defense. Both those games came early in the season when their read option was new and there was no film on Griffin. Here's the defenses that Skins offense has faced according to DVOA:

    Opponent Defensive rank result with score
    @ NO...............32nd........ win 40-32
    @ St. L.............7th..........loss 31-28
    Cinci.................10th.......... loss 38-31
    @ TB.................20th..........win 24-22
    Atlanta..............12th..........loss 24-17
    Minnesota.........21st ..........win 38-26
    @ Giants...........16th..........loss 27-23
    @ Pittsburgh.....13th.......... loss 27-12
    Carolina............11th..........loss 21-13
    Philly................26th..........win 31-6
    @ Dallas...........23rd.......... win 38-31
    Giants...............16th.......... win 17-16
    Baltimore..........19th .......... win 31-28 OT
    @ Cleveland......22nd ..........win 38-21
    @ Philly............26th..........win 27-20
    Dallas...............23rd.......... win 28-18

    Once I color coded it (bottom 16 defenses/scored 27+ = green) the whole pattern became crystal clear. You throw out the first four weeks as an anamoly because of the newness of their offense. Thus the Rams and Cincy having top 16 defenses that the Skins racked up points on. Oddly, this also tosses out the TB game where a bottom defense kept the Skins under 27. I chose 27 as the cutoff point because that's what the Skins averaged per game.

    It's pretty obvious that once the opposing defenses knew what they were up against, the Skins scoring went down when they were up against good defenses. Be they away or home games, the Skins offense will not blow out a good defense. The Skins winning streak is coterminous with the defensive crappyness of their late season scheduled opponents.
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  • @ NO...............32nd........ win 40-32
    @ St. L.............7th..........loss 31-28
    Cinci.................10th.......... loss 38-31
    @ TB.................20th..........win 24-22
    Atlanta..............12th..........loss 24-17 <-RG3 missed a half
    Minnesota.........21st ..........win 38-26
    @ Giants...........16th..........loss 27-23
    @ Pittsburgh.....13th.......... loss 27-12 <- WR's dropped two sure TD passes right in there hands and 10 dropps in total
    Carolina............11th..........loss 21-13 <- Bad loss, everyteam has them
    Philly................26th..........win 31-6 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Dallas...........23rd.......... win 38-31 <-Classic rivalry. Cowboys skins games are almost always down to the wire regardless of talent
    Giants...............16th.......... win 17-16 <-Giants are a tough team. They beat 49ers and destroyed the Packers
    Baltimore..........19th .......... win 31-28 OT
    @ Cleveland......22nd ..........win 38-21 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Philly............26th..........win 27-20 <-Good teams beat bad teams - RG3 first game back from knee injury
    Dallas...............23rd.......... win 28-18
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:@ NO...............32nd........ win 40-32
    @ St. L.............7th..........loss 31-28
    Cinci.................10th.......... loss 38-31
    @ TB.................20th..........win 24-22
    Atlanta..............12th..........loss 24-17 <-RG3 missed a half
    Minnesota.........21st ..........win 38-26
    @ Giants...........16th..........loss 27-23
    @ Pittsburgh.....13th.......... loss 27-12 <- WR's dropped two sure TD passes right in there hands and 10 dropps in total
    Carolina............11th..........loss 21-13 <- Bad loss, everyteam has them
    Philly................26th..........win 31-6 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Dallas...........23rd.......... win 38-31 <-Classic rivalry. Cowboys skins games are almost always down to the wire regardless of talent
    Giants...............16th.......... win 17-16 <-Giants are a tough team. They beat 49ers and destroyed the Packers
    Baltimore..........19th .......... win 31-28 OT
    @ Cleveland......22nd ..........win 38-21 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Philly............26th..........win 27-20 <-Good teams beat bad teams - RG3 first game back from knee injury
    Dallas...............23rd.......... win 28-18

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  • Bottom line is, after week 4, the Skins have averaged only 16.5 pts per game vs defenses ranked in the top 16 DVOA. At home vs top ranked defenses, they have averaged only 15.7 pts per game.

    The question of this thread is: How will this team fare against the Washington Offense? I think we won't let them break 20 points. Allowing 17 points would be above average. Holding them to 13-16 points is what we should expect.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:
    rdskns4eva wrote:@ NO...............32nd........ win 40-32
    @ St. L.............7th..........loss 31-28
    Cinci.................10th.......... loss 38-31
    @ TB.................20th..........win 24-22
    Atlanta..............12th..........loss 24-17 <-RG3 missed a half
    Minnesota.........21st ..........win 38-26
    @ Giants...........16th..........loss 27-23
    @ Pittsburgh.....13th.......... loss 27-12 <- WR's dropped two sure TD passes right in there hands and 10 dropps in total
    Carolina............11th..........loss 21-13 <- Bad loss, everyteam has them
    Philly................26th..........win 31-6 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Dallas...........23rd.......... win 38-31 <-Classic rivalry. Cowboys skins games are almost always down to the wire regardless of talent
    Giants...............16th.......... win 17-16 <-Giants are a tough team. They beat 49ers and destroyed the Packers
    Baltimore..........19th .......... win 31-28 OT
    @ Cleveland......22nd ..........win 38-21 <-Good teams beat bad teams
    @ Philly............26th..........win 27-20 <-Good teams beat bad teams - RG3 first game back from knee injury
    Dallas...............23rd.......... win 28-18

    I don't know how to say this any clearer...

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  • SalishHawkFan wrote:Bottom line is, after week 4, the Skins have averaged only 16.5 pts per game vs defenses ranked in the top 16 DVOA. At home vs top ranked defenses, they have averaged only 15.7 pts per game.

    The question of this thread is: How will this team fare against the Washington Offense? I think we won't let them break 20 points. Allowing 17 points would be above average. Holding them to 13-16 points is what we should expect.


    Here we go with these "advanced metrics". The same "advanced metrics" that said that Alfred Morris, a 1600 yard back was overrated.

    All I know is that the Redskins are top 5 is scoring and are averaging 25 points per game at home. Thats all that matters to me.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Here we go with these "advanced metrics". The same "advanced metrics" that said that Alfred Morris, a 1600 yard back was overrated.

    All I know is that the Redskins are top 5 is scoring and are averaging 25 points per game at home. Thats all that matters to me.


    So...you bash metrics, then use them to defend your home performance? Ok, then...
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  • Last year the Skins were able to bait Browner late in the game to give up the winning score. Helu ran over them with ease and Davis took advantage of our LBs. Browner may not start, depends on his conditioning, but he still can be baited. Morris should be able to provide more than Helu. I think Davis is hurt, not sure. I saw on the telecast that another TE was starting in his place.

    So the question is whether Wagner's youth/speed is better than Heater and has the secondary's experience grown enough that Shanahan will not be able to bait Browner. RGIII obviously is a huge step up from Grossman and Garcon is a huge asset as well.

    I think you have to consider the notion that the Seahawks will be giving up more than their season average. If teams were able to coax a Miami and Detroit performance out of the defense, they can do it again. But that was so far in the past, the team has moved beyond that. Right?
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  • drdiags wrote:Last year the Skins were able to bait Browner late in the game to give up the winning score. Helu ran over them with ease and Davis took advantage of our LBs. Browner may not start, depends on his conditioning, but he still can be baited. Morris should be able to provide more than Helu. I think Davis is hurt, not sure. I saw on the telecast that another TE was starting in his place.

    Yes Davis has been out on IR with a torn achilles since week 7.
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