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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:25 pm
  • This is funny. RW is an athletic QB as well yet he isnt Michael Vick like lol. Rg3 is atheltic yet he's another gimick QB or Michael Vick. A gimick qb back who statistically outclasses RW is everyway except total TD, and he;s only two back from that despite missing 1.5 games.

    Every analyst on T or websites has said that Rg3 is more Steve Young than Rg3...but you guys know best since you all have access to coaches film.

    This topic is funny.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:03 am
  • rdskns4eva wrote:This is funny. RW is an athletic QB as well yet he isnt Michael Vick like lol. Rg3 is atheltic yet he's another gimick QB or Michael Vick. A gimick qb back who statistically outclasses RW is everyway except total TD, and he;s only two back from that despite missing 1.5 games.

    Every analyst on T or websites has said that Rg3 is more Steve Young than Rg3...but you guys know best since you all have access to coaches film.

    This topic is funny.


    What's funny is all the Redskins fans digging their heads into the sand while their "star" QB gets himself injured in his first season and can't even start when they need him most (during a "playoff run" in the softest weakest division in the NFL).

    I'm wondering if you plan on showing up here Monday, and if you'll be man enough to eat your crow after Seattle ends your postseason dreams for the third straight time. Seems like we start every postseason with a stomping of some pathetic NFC Least team like the Skins or Girls.

    Griffin will be facing a tougher defense than he's seen this entire season, and I can't wait to watch him take off running and meet one of our Legion of Boom head-to-head. Hell, I can't wait to watch him drop back and meet Irvin or Clemons and pull his typical fumble routine. He won't be as lucky with our ball-hawks getting those back.

    The Legion of Boom WANTS you to keep running. They like to hit people. Gronk, Witten and Vernon Davis can attest. They like to shell-shock your team's biggest players, get 'em scared and hearing things. A running QB? Oooooh, that's like candy in a fat camp. Trust me, you don't want to be that candy when the big kids come running.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:14 am
  • I can't wait for the first time Kamtrak puts his shoulder into RG3's sternum and cartwheels him into next season. Run at your own risk Bob.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:19 am
  • Someone needs to remind Griffin that the same rules apply to a running QB that apply to a RB. Head shots are legal.

    I'm not wishing injury on anyone and I personally don't want to see it. I literally cringe when I see those hits, but it's a reality in the NFL and it's already happened once this season. With the way Griffin runs, it's a real concern. Someone on that coaching staff needs to get in his ear.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:37 am
  • HansGruber wrote:Someone needs to remind Griffin that the same rules apply to a running QB that apply to a RB. Head shots are legal.

    I'm not wishing injury on anyone and I personally don't want to see it. I literally cringe when I see those hits, but it's a reality in the NFL and it's already happened once this season. With the way Griffin runs, it's a real concern. Someone on that coaching staff needs to get in his ear.


    Yeah and we have LB's that can actually run with him...he's putting his career in jeopardy every time he keeps it on the read option, or tucks it to scramble...
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  • But ..but.. but ...Luck has all those comeback wins.....

    Though... he had to, to make up for all those damn int's he keeps throwing. They never mention that.


    RGIII, didn't play every game this season, was hurt, has been hurt in his knees in college also.

    They don't seem to notice that either.
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  • I know this will not be a popular opinion but RG3 should get the nod for ROTY. Like him or not he is having a great year. He has better all around stats and no one was picking the skins to make playoffs either. There I said it. Easy with the pitchforks. With that said I would rather have RW as a franchise QB. He is a better pocket passer and KNOW WHEN TO SLIDE. RG3 has proven that he will get hurt frequently. I want a QB that will be playing not sitting on the sideline. IMHO pure running quarterbacks don't win super bowls. RW is a throw first type quarterback with some great wheels for elusiveness. That is what wins long term. So while RG3 is having a great YEAR, RW is having a great start to a great CAREER. GO HAWKS.
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  • Year of The Hawk wrote:I know this will not be a popular opinion but RG3 should get the nod for ROTY. Like him or not he is having a great year. He has better all around stats and no one was picking the skins to make playoffs either. There I said it. Easy with the pitchforks. With that said I would rather have RW as a franchise QB. He is a better pocket passer and KNOW WHEN TO SLIDE. RG3 has proven that he will get hurt frequently. I want a QB that will be playing not sitting on the sideline. IMHO pure running quarterbacks don't win super bowls. RW is a throw first type quarterback with some great wheels for elusiveness. That is what wins long term. So while RG3 is having a great YEAR, RW is having a great start to a great CAREER. GO HAWKS.

    actually, RG3 and Wilson have almost identical stats with Wilson having more total TDs. If anything, I wouldn't complain if they were co-OROY.

    Just sayin!
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  • All that talk about Husky D vs RGIII reminded me of a very young Oregon Ducks D beating up on Luck last year. Luck threw fsomething like 256 yards and three touchdowns with two interceptions and a fumble. If I remember correctly most of those yards where towards the end of the game when the Ducks had a 20+ point lead. Pretty much what I am getting at is, Luck is good but not all of what the talking heads make him out to be. Wait till next year when everyone has him figured out. Out of all three young QB's, I'm predicting Luck to have the sophmore slump more then anyone else.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:This is funny. RW is an athletic QB as well yet he isnt Michael Vick like lol. Rg3 is atheltic yet he's another gimick QB or Michael Vick. A gimick qb back who statistically outclasses RW is everyway except total TD, and he;s only two back from that despite missing 1.5 games.

    Every analyst on T or websites has said that Rg3 is more Steve Young than Rg3...but you guys know best since you all have access to coaches film.

    This topic is funny.

    Umm...what?! :34853_doh:

    Wilson is an athletic QB, RG3 is an athlete playing QB.

    Why not try watching Wilson before you spout off about his stats being inferior to RG3 and you will realize that stats don't matter. Wilson wasn't allowed to throw the ball until week 8 and he's not that far behing RG3 in any stat other than rushing yards, which you can have. I would much rather Wilson throw the ball and stay protected than run and get his knee jacked up (see: RG3). RG3 isn't a gimmick QB, imo. But his stats come from screen passes. The only thing he has to do is watch LBers. After the ball gets hiked, he either hands it off, throws a screen or throws it deep. OR he will take off running the second his first option isn't available. He's good and he's going to get better but he's not as advanced as Wilson.

    The inferiority complex of Redskins fans is what's really funny. They come onto our boards to trash our 3rd round QB. Hmmm...I wonder if they would rather be in our position? Use just 1 3rd round draft pick for a franchise QB or sacrifice 3 drafts for one...?

    Oh well, they will soon see how good of a QB Wilson really is. They can look at his stats page until they are blue in the face and won't realize how advanced this kid at the QB position until they see him carve up their D on Sunday.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:49 am
  • ROTY should be between Wilson and RG3. Luck has done very well this season, and I enjoy watching him play. But I'm sorry, a QB who leads the league in turnovers shoulnd't get ROTY honors.

    Wilson has been very good this year, but outside of his MONSTER December, he's been good but not elite. RG3 is ahead of Wilson in every single statistical category. RG3 is better than Wilson in QB rating, Passer rating, total passing yards, total rushing yards, Completion percentage, average yards per pass, and TD/INT ratio. There is not a single QB stat where Wilson is better than RG3. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. see all the stats for yourselves... http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... asontype/2

    And unlike Andrew Luck fans who argue that RG3 benefits from a strong running game, seattle can't can't say that, because they've got Marshawn Lynch, the 2nd best running back in the NFL. Seahawks lead the NFL in rushing attempts, with 56% of their offensive plays being runs.

    In no way am I downing Wilson at all, in fact he's been my favorite QB to watch this year outside of RG3 and Payton Manning. But RG3 has been consistent all year, where as Wilson didn't get red hot until December.

    If you set aside your Seahawks fanboyism, and if I put down my Redskins fanboyism, and together we just look at raw stats and productivity, RG3 has had a slightly better season than Wilson. I wish Wilson, Luck, and RG3 the best of luck in their careers. But RG3 has been the best of the 3 in this their rookie season.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:11 am
  • If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:39 am
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:
    rdskns4eva wrote:This is funny. RW is an athletic QB as well yet he isnt Michael Vick like lol. Rg3 is atheltic yet he's another gimick QB or Michael Vick. A gimick qb back who statistically outclasses RW is everyway except total TD, and he;s only two back from that despite missing 1.5 games.

    Every analyst on T or websites has said that Rg3 is more Steve Young than Rg3...but you guys know best since you all have access to coaches film.

    This topic is funny.

    Umm...what?! :34853_doh:

    Wilson is an athletic QB, RG3 is an athlete playing QB.

    Why not try watching Wilson before you spout off about his stats being inferior to RG3 and you will realize that stats don't matter. Wilson wasn't allowed to throw the ball until week 8 and he's not that far behing RG3 in any stat other than rushing yards, which you can have. I would much rather Wilson throw the ball and stay protected than run and get his knee jacked up (see: RG3). RG3 isn't a gimmick QB, imo. But his stats come from screen passes. The only thing he has to do is watch LBers. After the ball gets hiked, he either hands it off, throws a screen or throws it deep. OR he will take off running the second his first option isn't available. He's good and he's going to get better but he's not as advanced as Wilson.

    The inferiority complex of Redskins fans is what's really funny. They come onto our boards to trash our 3rd round QB. Hmmm...I wonder if they would rather be in our position? Use just 1 3rd round draft pick for a franchise QB or sacrifice 3 drafts for one...?

    Oh well, they will soon see how good of a QB Wilson really is. They can look at his stats page until they are blue in the face and won't realize how advanced this kid at the QB position until they see him carve up their D on Sunday.


    Thats why this is so misinformed. EVerybody says that RG3 is a pocket passer first. EVERYBODY. I havent heard one media person say that RG3 is a Vick clone. Most say he is closer to Steve Young. This isnt Michael Vick. RG3 can pass the ball. He's had two games this year where he was 50% or worse in passing. TWO! He had 11 where is was 60% or better and he had 9 where he was 65% or better. I dont care what kind of offense you run, that is impressive. Vick wishes he had those stats.

    And Im not downing RW, but you guys keep saying thtat RG3 is another Vick. Really? Go back and look at Vicks stats in his first and second year. It's night and day. And again, Rg3 overall stats are better than RW despite missing 1.5 games.

    Rg3 has proven this year that he can runa traditinal offense. Go back and look at the second eagles game when he ran a grand total of two times. You guys act Like RG3 is carrying the ball 10 times a game. Early in the year he was running alot, but during this 7 game win streak, he's been a pocket passer. He only runs the ball about 4 times on called runs and bout 2 on scrambles.

    And he can read defenses but as Trent Dilfer said, the Redskins are the best team in the NFL at getting their primary WR open consistently. What is the point of scanning the field when your primary is wide open? There is no point. Get the ball out quickly, move on to the next play.
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:53 am
  • SkinsFan46 wrote:If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol


    fair point about Luck, and No, i doubt wilson nor RG3 would have had the same success in Indy

    but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).

    And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).

    And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.

    And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.

    and yeah, LOL @ Gore making the pro bowl over Morris. I think Morris has nearly 300 more rushing yards and 5 more touchdowns than Gore. :34853_doh:
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Re: ESPN Talking heads and ROTY Discussion
Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:50 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:Other than the reference to the Dawg D, I agree with your every word (didn't Baylor put 777 yds on us?).


    Did you watch the game, or just read the stat line?

    Trust me, I wouldn't blame you if you didn't watch the game. The only reason I did was because at that point, everyone thought Barkley was going #2 and Griffin might fall to us somehow (or we'd trade up for him).

    My grandmother's badminton team could have put up 100 points on the 2011 Husky defense. They were what, the 3rd worst defense in the NCAA? You can thank Nick Holt for that Baylor win. That's exactly what alumni and directorship did when they canned Holt.

    RGIII looked terrible in the Alamo Bowl. In fact, Baylor stopped throwing the ball completely and told Griffin to stop running after one of his fumbles gave an early lead back to the Huskies. It was the Baylor RB who ran for 5 TDs that gave Baylor all those points and the win. Griffin got owned by the Huskies.


    You're dead on. RG3 dink and dunked in that game against a terrible defense and didn't run for jack squat. That game was all Terrance Ganaway.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:
    Hawkfan77 wrote:
    rdskns4eva wrote:This is funny. RW is an athletic QB as well yet he isnt Michael Vick like lol. Rg3 is atheltic yet he's another gimick QB or Michael Vick. A gimick qb back who statistically outclasses RW is everyway except total TD, and he;s only two back from that despite missing 1.5 games.

    Every analyst on T or websites has said that Rg3 is more Steve Young than Rg3...but you guys know best since you all have access to coaches film.

    This topic is funny.

    Umm...what?! :34853_doh:

    Wilson is an athletic QB, RG3 is an athlete playing QB.

    Why not try watching Wilson before you spout off about his stats being inferior to RG3 and you will realize that stats don't matter. Wilson wasn't allowed to throw the ball until week 8 and he's not that far behing RG3 in any stat other than rushing yards, which you can have. I would much rather Wilson throw the ball and stay protected than run and get his knee jacked up (see: RG3). RG3 isn't a gimmick QB, imo. But his stats come from screen passes. The only thing he has to do is watch LBers. After the ball gets hiked, he either hands it off, throws a screen or throws it deep. OR he will take off running the second his first option isn't available. He's good and he's going to get better but he's not as advanced as Wilson.

    The inferiority complex of Redskins fans is what's really funny. They come onto our boards to trash our 3rd round QB. Hmmm...I wonder if they would rather be in our position? Use just 1 3rd round draft pick for a franchise QB or sacrifice 3 drafts for one...?

    Oh well, they will soon see how good of a QB Wilson really is. They can look at his stats page until they are blue in the face and won't realize how advanced this kid at the QB position until they see him carve up their D on Sunday.


    Thats why this is so misinformed. EVerybody says that RG3 is a pocket passer first. EVERYBODY. I havent heard one media person say that RG3 is a Vick clone. Most say he is closer to Steve Young. This isnt Michael Vick. RG3 can pass the ball. He's had two games this year where he was 50% or worse in passing. TWO! He had 11 where is was 60% or better and he had 9 where he was 65% or better. I dont care what kind of offense you run, that is impressive. Vick wishes he had those stats.

    And Im not downing RW, but you guys keep saying thtat RG3 is another Vick. Really? Go back and look at Vicks stats in his first and second year. It's night and day. And again, Rg3 overall stats are better than RW despite missing 1.5 games.

    Rg3 has proven this year that he can runa traditinal offense. Go back and look at the second eagles game when he ran a grand total of two times. You guys act Like RG3 is carrying the ball 10 times a game. Early in the year he was running alot, but during this 7 game win streak, he's been a pocket passer. He only runs the ball about 4 times on called runs and bout 2 on scrambles.

    And he can read defenses but as Trent Dilfer said, the Redskins are the best team in the NFL at getting their primary WR open consistently. What is the point of scanning the field when your primary is wide open? There is no point. Get the ball out quickly, move on to the next play.


    I hate the comparisons to Vick, and if I was a Redskins fan it would piss me off even more. All it says to me is that someone is trying to call Griffin a bad QB. First off, Vick has always been a thrower. He has arm talent that rivals anyone, but that doesn't make him an NFL passer. At Baylor Griffin had great accuracy and consistency. It's carried over into the NFL. The comparisons are as lazy as you can get, even for fans.

    Honestly, as a Seahawk fan I care more that our 3rd round QB is actually in the ROY discussion. Luck or Griffin will probably get it, and they're deserving. Our value pick more than makes up for any early season development or loss of hype.
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  • As a Skins fan i couldn't be happier with RGIII (well will be a bit more when he learns to slide earlier) . . . but with him missing a game and a half and being quite slowed during his two games back . . . and with Alfred Morris proving he is a big part of the Skins resurgence, i don't think RGIII should get it either . . . Wilson has been an absolute beast over the last half of season . . . though i will say RGIII has been consistently good from the beginning of the season whereas Wilson took a little while (and played like a rookie a bit early in the season, something RGIII has not done) get going though . . . as for Luck . . . him and his turnovers don't stand a chance (shouldn't anyway) IMO . . . everyone wants to talk about his comebacks . . . well maybe if he didn't turn the ball over so much he wouldn't have had to comeback so much . . . do give him credit for doing so and do definitely believe he is going to be a great QB for years to come . . . if health stays on the side of the 3 big rookie qb's, RGIII, Wilson and Luck should be in the top 5 QB's in the league before too long . . .
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  • youngchew wrote:but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).


    Not saying that at all. I'm just commenting on our situation because I watch Redskins games, but I do feel they BOTH (equally) benefit from huge running games.

    youngchew wrote:And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).


    You forget that Cousins also closed out the Baltimore game by winning it with less than 1 minute on the clock. If Cousins doesn't win that game as well, we aren't even having this debate. As crappy as the Browns are, they still are a NFL team and could easily have beaten us. They've been close with quite a few big time opponents this year. In fact, up until this year, we've been about equally as crappy as the Browns organization has this past decade.

    youngchew wrote:And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.


    Can't comment on ifs and buts. Only on things that have transpired. What has transpired is RGIII being knocked out of 2 games, and sitting out a full game due to injuries. What also has transpired is Cousins has came in and essentially won 2 games for us this year in relief. Don't read into this more than what has been said. I'm just stating facts here. RGIII is a major reason we are in the position we are in today. Simple as that.

    youngchew wrote:And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.


    I agree 100%. RW has the clear advantage of having that type of stout defense to back him up. I think RGIII has more pressure on him to do more. Luck even more than both of these guys.
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  • youngchew wrote:
    SkinsFan46 wrote:If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol


    fair point about Luck, and No, i doubt wilson nor RG3 would have had the same success in Indy

    but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).

    And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).

    And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.

    And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.

    and yeah, LOL @ Gore making the pro bowl over Morris. I think Morris has nearly 300 more rushing yards and 5 more touchdowns than Gore. :34853_doh:


    The reason he didn't make the pro bowl is because it's a popularity contest. It's bull shit
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  • Joey13091 wrote:
    youngchew wrote:
    SkinsFan46 wrote:If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol


    fair point about Luck, and No, i doubt wilson nor RG3 would have had the same success in Indy

    but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).

    And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).

    And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.

    And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.

    and yeah, LOL @ Gore making the pro bowl over Morris. I think Morris has nearly 300 more rushing yards and 5 more touchdowns than Gore. :34853_doh:


    The reason he didn't make the pro bowl is because it's a popularity contest. It's bull shit


    while the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest, on 33.3% of the vote comes from the fans . . . an additional 33.3% comes from the players votes and another 33.3% comes from the coaches votes . . . that being said, due to the last 3 games (one in which out and two serviceable but unspectacular games) puts Wilson into the lead . . . IF they would i would think that co-rookies of the year would be interested and that would really rile up the luck fan base . . . lol
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  • I could see the award going to any of these guys. And to be perfectly honest with you all, I don't really care who they decide on. In fact, let them decide on RG3 or Luck, and let us go to the Super Bowl. Win or lose, you can't at that point, argue that there was a better rookie QB than Russell Wilson.
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  • Alright. I like RGIII, a lot. I think he's going to be very good, HOWEVER, he's been playing with a baby offense. Shanahan has basically allowed Griffin to do what he did in College, and that's mostly short dump-offs and screens, option runs and play action deep throws. I think that RGIII will be a very successful QB in this league. You redskins fans need to wise up about Wilson though. He has not had a baby offense, doesn't have elite WRs with speed and separation, or a consistently reliable O-line. He's put up the numbers he has not because of Lynch, but based on pure playmaking ability and a command of the offense.

    You're going to get to see this Sunday just how special Wilson is. I think there are plenty on here who are selling RGIII extremely short, but I'd prefer to keep Wilson over RGIII every day of the week. There's just an intangible awesomeness about him. RGIII has measurable greatness, and as I said, i think he's going to be very successful in this league and will get better, but after a while, teams are going to figure that offense out, and i'll be interested to see how well Griffin adapts.
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  • SkinsGuru wrote:
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    youngchew wrote:[quote="SkinsFan46"]If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol


    fair point about Luck, and No, i doubt wilson nor RG3 would have had the same success in Indy

    but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).

    And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).

    And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.

    And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.

    and yeah, LOL @ Gore making the pro bowl over Morris. I think Morris has nearly 300 more rushing yards and 5 more touchdowns than Gore. :34853_doh:


    The reason he didn't make the pro bowl is because it's a popularity contest. It's bull shit


    while the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest, on 33.3% of the vote comes from the fans . . . an additional 33.3% comes from the players votes and another 33.3% comes from the coaches votes . . . that being said, due to the last 3 games (one in which out and two serviceable but unspectacular games) puts Wilson into the lead . . . IF they would i would think that co-rookies of the year would be interested and that would really rile up the luck fan base . . . lol[/quote]

    I'm just saying one of the biggest pro bowl snubs this year is Richard Sherman and also Alfred Morris. Some players get voted in constantly and have mediocre years.
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  • As far as ROTY really all these guys mentioned could win and I will be satisfied with either they choose. They all deserve it with what they have accomplished as rookies. I would just be more excited if wilson won.
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  • Joey13091 wrote:
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    SkinsFan46 wrote:If you were to put RW or RGIII in Indy, do you think either one of them have the type of seasons they are having? Not likely. Both of these QBs benefit from having great rushing attacks and that takes a ton of pressure off a young QB.


    I'll take RGIII over RW any day of the week, but I would give my nod to OROY (offensive rookie of year) to RW or Alfred Morris. Why? Because quite simply RGIII hasn't finished 2 games this season due to injury and sat out a complete game. The Redskins have shown that they can win without RGIII, but what they haven't shown is they can win without Alfred Morris. This rookie RB has broken Clinton Portis franchise record for most yards in a season, and finished second in the NFL in rushing yards. How in the hell did this guy not make the pro-bowl?....lol


    fair point about Luck, and No, i doubt wilson nor RG3 would have had the same success in Indy

    but to argue your point about Morris...are you saying Morris does more for RG3 than Lynch does for Wilson? I'd say they benefit evenly. the difference between Lynch and Morris' total rushing yards this season is less than 50 (i think).

    And to say that the Redskins proved they could win without RG3...i mean, i guess that's a true statement. But Kirk Cousins went out and beat the crappy Cleveland Browns (yes, i know they were coming in on a 3-game winning streak).

    And I know we won't have a chance to find out this year, but I'm sure if Matt Flynn would've come in for Wilson and played against a bad team like the Browns, he mighit've been able to win as well.

    And not that it has a direct impact on the offense, but Wilson benefits from having the 2nd best defense in the entire nfl. Redskins defense is ranked 27th overall.

    and yeah, LOL @ Gore making the pro bowl over Morris. I think Morris has nearly 300 more rushing yards and 5 more touchdowns than Gore. :34853_doh:


    The reason he didn't make the pro bowl is because it's a popularity contest. It's bull shit

    while the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest, on 33.3% of the vote comes from the fans . . . an additional 33.3% comes from the players votes and another 33.3% comes from the coaches votes . . . that being said, due to the last 3 games (one in which out and two serviceable but unspectacular games) puts Wilson into the lead . . . IF they would i would think that co-rookies of the year would be interested and that would really rile up the luck fan base . . . lol

    I'm just saying one of the biggest pro bowl snubs this year is Richard Sherman and also Alfred Morris. Some players get bored in constantly and have mediocre years.

    agreed for sure . . . how in the world did frank gore get in over morris?? or how Tillman and Peterson got in over Sherman i will never know either though i think Sherman got docked a bit due to the positive test for PED's . . .
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  • youngchew wrote:Wilson has been very good this year, but outside of his MONSTER December, he's been good but not elite. RG3 is ahead of Wilson in every single statistical category. RG3 is better than Wilson in QB rating, Passer rating, total passing yards, total rushing yards, Completion percentage, average yards per pass, and TD/INT ratio. There is not a single QB stat where Wilson is better than RG3. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. see all the stats for yourselves... http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... asontype/2



    How come you didn't mention straight touchdown numbers? Where Wilson is better than RGIII and would have been more so if our D/ST hadn't taken it to the Cardinals without his help.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    youngchew wrote:Wilson has been very good this year, but outside of his MONSTER December, he's been good but not elite. RG3 is ahead of Wilson in every single statistical category. RG3 is better than Wilson in QB rating, Passer rating, total passing yards, total rushing yards, Completion percentage, average yards per pass, and TD/INT ratio. There is not a single QB stat where Wilson is better than RG3. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. see all the stats for yourselves... http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... asontype/2



    How come you didn't mention straight touchdown numbers? Where Wilson is better than RGIII and would have been more so if our D/ST hadn't taken it to the Cardinals without his help.


    Wilson is ahead in TD, but remember, its only by two and RG3 missed 1.5 games, so it is far to say that he would have matched or exceeded that number. Of course it's fair to say that he would have thrown 4 picks as well.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:
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    youngchew wrote:Wilson has been very good this year, but outside of his MONSTER December, he's been good but not elite. RG3 is ahead of Wilson in every single statistical category. RG3 is better than Wilson in QB rating, Passer rating, total passing yards, total rushing yards, Completion percentage, average yards per pass, and TD/INT ratio. There is not a single QB stat where Wilson is better than RG3. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. see all the stats for yourselves... http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... asontype/2



    How come you didn't mention straight touchdown numbers? Where Wilson is better than RGIII and would have been more so if our D/ST hadn't taken it to the Cardinals without his help.


    Wilson is ahead in TD, but remember, its only by two and RG3 missed 1.5 games, so it is far to say that he would have matched or exceeded that number. Of course it's fair to say that he would have thrown 4 picks as well.


    Well, if we're going to throw out that missed game, then we should probably do it for the most important stat in the NFL

    Wilson: 11 wins

    RG3: 9
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Well, if we're going to throw out that missed game, then we should probably do it for the most important stat in the NFL

    Wilson: 11 wins

    RG3: 9

    you mean 10? :mrgreen:
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    Sarlacc83 wrote:Well, if we're going to throw out that missed game, then we should probably do it for the most important stat in the NFL

    Wilson: 11 wins

    RG3: 9

    you mean 10? :mrgreen:


    9. Unless RGIII and Kirk Cousins are actually one in the same. :34853_tinfoil:
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  • youngchew wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:Well, if we're going to throw out that missed game, then we should probably do it for the most important stat in the NFL

    Wilson: 11 wins

    RG3: 9

    you mean 10? :mrgreen:


    RG3 won 9 games. He started 15. Cousins started 1 and won 1.
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  • [quote="Sarlacc83Wilson: 11 wins

    RG3: 9[/quote]
    Absolutely wins should be a huge factor in ROTY. But since all three major candidates are in the payoffs (one being a division champ), it's probably going to come down to stats.
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  • The talk about RGIII's injury and missed game(s), brings up the #1 reason why Russell Wilson should win ROTY over RGIII.

    Russell Wilson was there when his team needed him. He was healthy and able to start against San Francisco, the game that determined if we would be in the playoffs or not. And not only was he able to start, he came in and dominated the best defense in the NFL.

    RGIII is a gimmick. He'll be as short-lived as the other gimmicks in NFL history. He suffered injuries in college, and has already had a knee injury and a concussion. Knee injuries and concussions will end his career.

    Russell Wilson is a highly effective NFL QB. He doesn't get injured. He doesn't get flustered. All the kid does is go out and put up TDs on the board and win games. And come through when you most need him.
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  • HansGruber wrote:The talk about RGIII's injury and missed game(s), brings up the #1 reason why Russell Wilson should win ROTY over RGIII.

    Russell Wilson was there when his team needed him. He was healthy and able to start against San Francisco, the game that determined if we would be in the playoffs or not. And not only was he able to start, he came in and dominated the best defense in the NFL.

    RGIII is a gimmick. He'll be as short-lived as the other gimmicks in NFL history. He suffered injuries in college, and has already had a knee injury and a concussion. Knee injuries and concussions will end his career.

    Russell Wilson is a highly effective NFL QB. He doesn't get injured. He doesn't get flustered. All the kid does is go out and put up TDs on the board and win games. And come through when you most need him.


    Define gimmick.

    A QB completes 65% of his passes, 20/5 TD/INT ratio, 8.1 yards per attempt...If that is a gimmick, I'll take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    RG3 doesnt get flustered either...whats your point?

    Also, not being injured isnt a prerequisite for winning awards.
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  • HansGruber wrote:RGIII is a gimmick. He'll be as short-lived as the other gimmicks in NFL history. He suffered injuries in college, and has already had a knee injury and a concussion. Knee injuries and concussions will end his career.

    Russell Wilson is a highly effective NFL QB. He doesn't get injured. He doesn't get flustered. All the kid does is go out and put up TDs on the board and win games. And come through when you most need him.


    Holy crap is your bias showing. You almost sound as bad as some of the idiotic Luck supporters on various Colts forums with the way you're trying to talk down about RG3 Why can't they both be great rookie QBs?

    and that second part of your statement..."he doesn't get flustered, all he does is put up TDs and win games, comes up most when you need him." Could we not say the EXACT same thing about RG3?
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Define gimmick.


    gim·mick [gim-ik]: noun
    1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

    The Redskins have successfully implemented a gimmick offense (the pistol / zone-read) based on Griffin's notoriety as a running threat. A great deal of Morris' success can be attributed directly to that. The same is true with the Seahawks and Wilson. There's a reason why Lynch is averaging 5.0 YPC.

    The problem isn't that Griffin is a gimmick. The problem is that he has a reckless running style and has suffered a knee injury as a result. An injured Griffin (in a knee brace) means no more running threat and therefore, the entire point of running the pistol is eliminated. Defenses can now key on stopping Morris, and don't need to worry about Griffin rushing out of the play action.

    You'll see it first-hand on Sunday. Seattle will be selling out on Morris and leaving a single guy in spy. With our excellent man-coverage corners, suddenly that pistol is firing blanks. We'll have a safety and our LBs standing there waiting for Griffin to come running, and then we're going to ring his bell.

    rdskns4eva wrote:A QB completes 65% of his passes, 20/5 TD/INT ratio, 8.1 yards per attempt...If that is a gimmick, I'll take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    RG3 doesnt get flustered either...whats your point?


    If you get enough pressure on Griffin, he starts trying to force plays, will run when guys are open, and will fumble the ball. Keep pressuring and he stops throwing deep, starts checking down. He did it in college, and he does it in the pros, so it's hard to pin that on an OC. Griffin's never had a serious problem with INTs, but he fumbles a lot. Luckily for his ROTY award chances, the Redskins were able to recover a vast majority of those fumbles. You can try to hide behind INT numbers all you want, but you know as well as I do that he has a problem with fumbles. At least, if you've been watching him play then you do.

    rdskns4eva wrote:Also, not being injured isnt a prerequisite for winning awards.


    Since when is health not a factor in success? Fact is, Griffin didn't get the Redskins into the playoffs. It was Cousins who stepped up and won 2 games when Washington desperately needed it. Griffin was sitting on the sideline with a blown-up knee. Kid has had problems with his knee since college, and now he's getting concussions. Good luck with that. I'll stick with the kid who can get out of bounds and stay healthy.
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  • hahahahaha

    This makes me laugh. These 2 guys are so close both sides are having problems making a really complete reason for one or the other.

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    rdskns4eva wrote:Define gimmick.


    gim·mick [gim-ik]: noun
    1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

    The Redskins have successfully implemented a gimmick offense (the pistol / zone-read) based on Griffin's notoriety as a running threat. A great deal of Morris' success can be attributed directly to that. The same is true with the Seahawks and Wilson. There's a reason why Lynch is averaging 5.0 YPC.

    The problem isn't that Griffin is a gimmick. The problem is that he has a reckless running style and has suffered a knee injury as a result. An injured Griffin (in a knee brace) means no more running threat and therefore, the entire point of running the pistol is eliminated. Defenses can now key on stopping Morris, and don't need to worry about Griffin rushing out of the play action.

    You'll see it first-hand on Sunday. Seattle will be selling out on Morris and leaving a single guy in spy. With our excellent man-coverage corners, suddenly that pistol is firing blanks. We'll have a safety and our LBs standing there waiting for Griffin to come running, and then we're going to ring his bell.

    rdskns4eva wrote:A QB completes 65% of his passes, 20/5 TD/INT ratio, 8.1 yards per attempt...If that is a gimmick, I'll take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    RG3 doesnt get flustered either...whats your point?


    If you get enough pressure on Griffin, he starts trying to force plays, will run when guys are open, and will fumble the ball. Keep pressuring and he stops throwing deep, starts checking down. He did it in college, and he does it in the pros, so it's hard to pin that on an OC. Griffin's never had a serious problem with INTs, but he fumbles a lot. Luckily for his ROTY award chances, the Redskins were able to recover a vast majority of those fumbles. You can try to hide behind INT numbers all you want, but you know as well as I do that he has a problem with fumbles. At least, if you've been watching him play then you do.

    rdskns4eva wrote:Also, not being injured isnt a prerequisite for winning awards.


    Since when is health not a factor in success? Fact is, Griffin didn't get the Redskins into the playoffs. It was Cousins who stepped up and won 2 games when Washington desperately needed it. Griffin was sitting on the sideline with a blown-up knee. Kid has had problems with his knee since college, and now he's getting concussions. Good luck with that. I'll stick with the kid who can get out of bounds and stay healthy.


    Cousins won 1 game. He threw 2 passes agaisnt the Ravens. Lets not get crazy here.

    He also beat the Browns...again, lets not make the Browns out to be the 2007 Patriots. If you cant beat the Browns with a backup qb, you are not a playoff team, period.
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  • Also, that injured RG3 in a brace averaged 10 per carry on Sunday. I think he'll be fine. Word is, he may lose the brace this week for the Hawks game. We'll see. The knee is 100%. At this point, the training staff just wants him to wear it as a precaution but he doesnt need it.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Cousins won 1 game. He threw 2 passes agaisnt the Ravens. Lets not get crazy here.

    He also beat the Browns...again, lets not make the Browns out to be the 2007 Patriots. If you cant beat the Browns with a backup qb, you are not a playoff team, period.


    I like how you downplay Cousin's role in that win against Baltimore. I guarantee you that if the only thing Cousins did against Baltimore was to throw a couple passes, he wouldn't have got the press and the national attention that he did.

    In reality, what you don't want to admit is that Griffin was losing that game, the Redskins were down by 8. Griffin got desperate, took an unnecessary and foolish risk, and got his knee blown up by Haloti Ngata while trying to get extra yards on a scramble. And while he was laying on a stretcher on the sideline, Cousins came in, threw a touchdown and then ran in the 2-pt conversion to tie up the game and send it to OT.

    Don't make it sound like the game was wrapped up, because it wasn't. That's my whole point. You get Griffin flustered, you put pressure on him, get him down late in the game, and he's going to take foolish risks. Risks that will end his career if he doesn't change his ways.

    And that will matter against the Seahawks. Because we have a tough defense. You aren't going to outscore the Seahawks early, you're not going into the 4th quarter with a big lead. Griffin will feel the pressure, and will try to make a big play, and our defense will be there to take advantage. The gimmick won't work against a good defense because we aren't scared of RGIII running on us.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:Also, that injured RG3 in a brace averaged 10 per carry on Sunday. I think he'll be fine. Word is, he may lose the brace this week for the Hawks game. We'll see. The knee is 100%. At this point, the training staff just wants him to wear it as a precaution but he doesnt need it.


    Good. I'm hoping he believes he is 100%. Because when he tries to cut back toward the middle of the field for a few more yards rather than sliding, he's going to get totally blown up by one of our safeties and cough up a fumble that we will recover. I'm not worried about Griffin one bit. He's yet to play a defense like Seattle. He can barely handle the average defenses like Baltimore, I can't wait to see how he reacts to a fast, young, agressive, physical defense like Seattle's. We'll see who deserves the ROTY award on Sunday.
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  • He doesnt believe he is at 100%. The doctors and training staff have said, it's 100%
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:He doesnt believe he is at 100%. The doctors and training staff have said, it's 100%


    Whatever. All I know is he is bloody meat and with our defense, everywhere past the LOS is a freaking shark tank. I can't wait to see the first time he tucks and runs. If he gets lucky enough to get past Irvin or Clemons, he'll be met by KJ Wright or Bobby Wagner. If he can get past them, he's gonna get his head knocked off by Kam Chancellor. You know, that guy that keeps sending every team's biggest TE to the sideline. If Kam misses, Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman are going to be looking to make a point to every doubter in the NFL.

    These Redskin fans are way too cocky and it cracks me up. Come back here on Monday and give us your pitch for ROTY. I can't wait to hear the excuses for Griffin.
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    rdskns4eva wrote:He doesnt believe he is at 100%. The doctors and training staff have said, it's 100%


    Whatever. All I know is he is bloody meat and with our defense, everywhere past the LOS is a freaking shark tank. I can't wait to see the first time he tucks and runs. If he gets lucky enough to get past Irvin or Clemons, he'll be met by KJ Wright or Bobby Wagner. If he can get past them, he's gonna get his head knocked off by Kam Chancellor. You know, that guy that keeps sending every team's biggest TE to the sideline. If Kam misses, Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman are going to be looking to make a point to every doubter in the NFL.

    These Redskin fans are way too cocky and it cracks me up. Come back here on Monday and give us your pitch for ROTY. I can't wait to hear the excuses for Griffin.


    I dont think I've said anything thats cocky. I told you what the coaching staff said...if thats cocky...sorry for ya.

    We'll be ok with your defense. Not concerned about your corners on run plays...we probably have the best Run blocking WR's in football.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:
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    rdskns4eva wrote:He doesnt believe he is at 100%. The doctors and training staff have said, it's 100%


    Whatever. All I know is he is bloody meat and with our defense, everywhere past the LOS is a freaking shark tank. I can't wait to see the first time he tucks and runs. If he gets lucky enough to get past Irvin or Clemons, he'll be met by KJ Wright or Bobby Wagner. If he can get past them, he's gonna get his head knocked off by Kam Chancellor. You know, that guy that keeps sending every team's biggest TE to the sideline. If Kam misses, Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman are going to be looking to make a point to every doubter in the NFL.

    These Redskin fans are way too cocky and it cracks me up. Come back here on Monday and give us your pitch for ROTY. I can't wait to hear the excuses for Griffin.


    I dont think I've said anything thats cocky. I told you what the coaching staff said...if thats cocky...sorry for ya.

    We'll be ok with your defense. Not concerned about your corners on run plays...we probably have the best Run blocking WR's in football.


    Well, it's good that they can run block. Because they won't be catching many passes on Sunday.

    And by cocky, I meant that you do the same thing all Redskin fans have been doing all week - you actually compare the Seattle defense to that pathetic miserable Dallas defense. Hilarious. I find it even funnier after rewatching the Seattle-Dallas game and seeing what a struggling Seattle offense was able to do against Dallas. I also love when Redskin fans say the Seahawks only have a run game. That one is a good for a big belly laugh. Ah well, doesn't really matter. We'll all get to watch the carnage Sunday and my money is on the bigger better defense and the healthy QB (Seattle).
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  • Okay people calm down here. Griffin is an awesome rookie QB and so is Wilson. Some people act like Wilson is the almighty but he is not and neither is RG3. We'll see how their careers go in the next couple years then we can make a statement of who is better. The stats are so close and with just one season played we can't determine that.

    I am a huge Russell Wilson fan, and from watching him every Sunday this year and some in college, I just feel there is something special about him. I'm sure that's how all us hawk fans are and that's why we think of him so highly.

    The fact is that neither of them have really done anything yet. Let's see how far these rookie QBs can take each others teams in the playoffs.
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  • "And by cocky, I meant that you do the same thing all Redskin fans have been doing all week - you actually compare the Seattle defense to that pathetic miserable Dallas defense. Hilarious. I find it even funnier after rewatching the Seattle-Dallas game and seeing what a struggling Seattle offense was able to do against Dallas. I also love when Redskin fans say the Seahawks only have a run game. That one is a good for a big belly laugh. Ah well, doesn't really matter. We'll all get to watch the carnage Sunday and my money is on the bigger better defense and the healthy QB (Seattle)."

    I have not once compared weak ass Dallas to the Hawks. Come on man, really....wow. Take a moment to read my posts before lumping me in with a crowd. I've said that you guys have the most physical defense in football. And I've never said that all the Hawks have is a running neither. They Run the ball lot, yes, but they can pass it as well.
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  • rdskns4eva wrote:"And by cocky, I meant that you do the same thing all Redskin fans have been doing all week - you actually compare the Seattle defense to that pathetic miserable Dallas defense. Hilarious. I find it even funnier after rewatching the Seattle-Dallas game and seeing what a struggling Seattle offense was able to do against Dallas. I also love when Redskin fans say the Seahawks only have a run game. That one is a good for a big belly laugh. Ah well, doesn't really matter. We'll all get to watch the carnage Sunday and my money is on the bigger better defense and the healthy QB (Seattle)."

    I have not once compared weak ass Dallas to the Hawks. Come on man, really....wow. Take a moment to read my posts before lumping me in with a crowd. I've said that you guys have the most physical defense in football. And I've never said that all the Hawks have is a running neither. They Run the ball lot, yes, but they can pass it as well.


    Yeah rdskns4eva has done nothing you accuse. I'm with him on this. Let's try to be respectful to other fan bases like you would want to be if you were on their board.
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  • Bobby G can have it. Or Luck. If Wilson was hot for that award, he would have tried to throw a touchdown on that last play to break Manning's record. But he didn't, and if he doesn't care that much, neither do I.
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  • Most of the media has given this to RG3 already. I've seen a lot of folks (Rosenthal on NFL.com for one) putting it down as RG3 1st, Luck 2nd, and Wilson 3rd.

    3rd place is an incredible slight. Not that Wilson needs the motivation, but it might put a huge chip on his shoulder. He doesn't need the focus, but I'd think it would be scary to see him pissed off....yikes ! Watch out NFL. The other thing is his leadership. He's taken over this team and these guys will go to battle for him. If he gets 3rd, I can see the rest of the Hawks rally around him and make the rest of the NFL pay for disrespecting their leader.
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