makkapakka wrote:GeekHawk wrote:makkapakka wrote:[quote="Starrman44"]I don't believe that Sherman takes PED's. If he does, I hope he gets caught. I have no problem with them testing him any time.
IMO one of the few voices of reason on this issue.
I don't believe you rob banks. If you do, I hope you get caught. I have no problem with the police randonly searching your home without a warrant, any time.
AbsolutNET wrote:makkapakka wrote:Again, not sure where you're coming from Clumsy. I don't think anyone in this thread has been talking about the liberty to take PEDs. We're discussing whether it's an infringement of personal liberty to have to submit to the pee test.
I think you're the only one that thinks that is what this is about.
it's about Goodell being stupidly transparent and trying to prove a point to the league by having Sherman tested the day his appeal was granted. This thread is basically a big eye-roll in Goodell's direction.
Once again, I'm not talking about having to take a simple piss test. My anger stems from the blatant targeting of certain players. No ones saying they shouldn't ever have to piss test. The timing is just pretty suspicious and definitely NOT random. If the league came out and said they have to test Sherman because his last test was invalid, then fine. That makes sense. But as of right now, it just looks like Goodell's got his feelings hurt and he's going to keep trying to get his man.
Imagine if someone messed up your piss test at a job that you adamantly claimed you're clean and should've passed. You go through all this trouble of fighting the system and standing up for yourself, and when they lose, they come at you again. And if you pass, what if they ask for another one. I mean its just pee, right. Why not have them take it every day to be sure.
makkapakka wrote:Once again, I'm not talking about having to take a simple piss test. My anger stems from the blatant targeting of certain players. No ones saying they shouldn't ever have to piss test. The timing is just pretty suspicious and definitely NOT random. If the league came out and said they have to test Sherman because his last test was invalid, then fine. That makes sense. But as of right now, it just looks like Goodell's got his feelings hurt and he's going to keep trying to get his man.
Imagine if someone messed up your piss test at a job that you adamantly claimed you're clean and should've passed. You go through all this trouble of fighting the system and standing up for yourself, and when they lose, they come at you again. And if you pass, what if they ask for another one. I mean its just pee, right. Why not have them take it every day to be sure.
Re your scenario, if I was clean I'd love to be retested. Random or targeted, no biggie, all the better to exonerate myself at the expense of a very minor inconvenience. In fact I'd be asking for it.
VHawk wrote:Have to love the moral police preaching upon their high horse.
Seahwkgal wrote:If it is part of a work contract, random pee tests are not an infringement of your rights. My husband gets randomly tested all the time at his job. He signed the agreement and he doesn't touch any non prescribed medications. Pretty simple really. He would be livid if a false positive came up though.
Shadowhawk wrote:Seahwkgal wrote:If it is part of a work contract, random pee tests are not an infringement of your rights. My husband gets randomly tested all the time at his job. He signed the agreement and he doesn't touch any non prescribed medications. Pretty simple really. He would be livid if a false positive came up though.
The problem is that it's hard to believe this was a random test given that it was administered the very day that Sherman won his appeal.
hawksfansinceday1 wrote:madbohem wrote:Goodell has to go.
He is ruining football. His whole thing against the Saints was horrid. And its obvious he was the kid that always took "his" ball home crying when he couldn't win.
This ^^^....HAWKFaninBAMA wrote:"Randomly"..... Another prime example of the classlessness of the Goddell regime. I wonder if the results will matter since the league obviously broke protocol AGAIN by the lack of randomness in this "random" selection.....#NOTACOINCIDENCE
and this^^^.
Goodell is an absolute petulant child and a piece of crap as a comissioner. The obvious attempt at payback by testing Sherm today is pathetic. U mad bro?
-The Glove- wrote:makkapakka wrote:
Couldn't disagree with both of you more. If he's clean he should be begging them to test him. It's just a pee, what's the big deal?
It's not simply just a piss. It's the fact it seems like Goodell is targeting certain players. I'm sure Sherman's perfectly fine with taking another test. It doesn't change the fact that these things are supposed to be random. Goodell feels like he was made to look a fool (he does that on his own), so now he's trying to get him back, so to speak.
Hawkfan77 wrote:-The Glove- wrote:makkapakka wrote:
Couldn't disagree with both of you more. If he's clean he should be begging them to test him. It's just a pee, what's the big deal?
It's not simply just a piss. It's the fact it seems like Goodell is targeting certain players. I'm sure Sherman's perfectly fine with taking another test. It doesn't change the fact that these things are supposed to be random. Goodell feels like he was made to look a fool (he does that on his own), so now he's trying to get him back, so to speak.
You actually think the commissioner comes up with the list of who gets tested? Get real.
Some of you should stop wearing tin foil helmets
mikeak wrote:I love how you guys are arguing about this for the sake of arguing. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
Sherman's name was pulled in the random drug testing system MONTHS ago. The test he took was INVALIDATED YESTERDAY
THEREFORE SHERMAN IS STILL UP TO BAT, STILL NEEDS TO TAKE THE TEST, NEVER TOOK A PROPER TEST THIS YEAR
not sure what is so complicated with this
mikeak wrote:I love how you guys are arguing about this for the sake of arguing. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
Sherman's name was pulled in the random drug testing system MONTHS ago. The test he took was INVALIDATED YESTERDAY
THEREFORE SHERMAN IS STILL UP TO BAT, STILL NEEDS TO TAKE THE TEST, NEVER TOOK A PROPER TEST THIS YEAR
not sure what is so complicated with this
Seahwkgal wrote:If it is part of a work contract, random pee tests are not an infringement of your rights. My husband gets randomly tested all the time at his job. He signed the agreement and he doesn't touch any non prescribed medications. Pretty simple really. He would be livid if a false positive came up though.
mikeak wrote:I love how you guys are arguing about this for the sake of arguing. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
Sherman's name was pulled in the random drug testing system MONTHS ago. The test he took was INVALIDATED YESTERDAY
THEREFORE SHERMAN IS STILL UP TO BAT, STILL NEEDS TO TAKE THE TEST, NEVER TOOK A PROPER TEST THIS YEAR
not sure what is so complicated with this
AF_Hawk wrote:How did this all of a sudden become a pissing contest?
scutterhawk wrote:Seahwkgal wrote:If it is part of a work contract, random pee tests are not an infringement of your rights. My husband gets randomly tested all the time at his job. He signed the agreement and he doesn't touch any non prescribed medications. Pretty simple really. He would be livid if a false positive came up though.
I got randomly tested in the workplace, and mine came back dirty, Trust me, I'm no druggie.
They didn't even bother to test me over again, even tho they had every right to, only because having known me for over 15 years my employer told them that someone had obviously made a mistake.
I wasn't just po'd about their misreading, I was pissed that there was an obvious flaw in their system.
The Sherman gig though only shows that they want to make it clear, that they still don't believe him, and that they are now going to harrass him for showing them up, just because they legally can
Those drug tests can and sometimes ARE flawed, and I would testify to that under oath.
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