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 Post subject: Re: Sherman wins appeal - will not be suspended!
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http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/?from=stnv2

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The NFL does not disclose results of a failed test until the suspension is imposed. As a result, the NFL has no statement currently on the case. But Albert Breer — who works for NFL.com — indicated that flaws in the testing procedure invalidated the result. Washington Post reporter Mark Maske spoke to someone familiar with the case, who called Sherman’s argument “a slam-dunk winner.”


Which makes it a real bitch that they tried to enforce the results to begin with.


Sorry this doesn't make sense. The NFL just gets the results from the lab back and if it is positive they suspend the player. Then Sherman appealed outlined what had happened and somehow it was probably collaborated by the lab or the tester and that made it a slam dunk. Like several of us said here if he can prove a broken seal no way that he gets suspended.

This was handled exactly the way this should be handled EXCEPT for the fact that the positive test shouldn't have leaked to the media


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I don't get why the NFL attempted to suspend him in the first place. I mean, if they knew the test was contaminated wouldn't it have been common sense to throw it out?


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The NFL does not disclose results of a failed test until the suspension is imposed. As a result, the NFL has no statement currently on the case. But Albert Breer — who works for NFL.com — indicated that flaws in the testing procedure invalidated the result. Washington Post reporter Mark Maske spoke to someone familiar with the case, who called Sherman’s argument “a slam-dunk winner.”


Which makes it a real bitch that they tried to enforce the results to begin with.


Sorry this doesn't make sense. The NFL just gets the results from the lab back and if it is positive they suspend the player. Then Sherman appealed outlined what had happened and somehow it was probably collaborated by the lab or the tester and that made it a slam dunk. Like several of us said here if he can prove a broken seal no way that he gets suspended.

This was handled exactly the way this should be handled EXCEPT for the fact that the positive test shouldn't have leaked to the media[/quote]
You are probably right, I was forgetting that the testing is handled by an outside entity.

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I am happy about him finally getting justice. There were some who said he should just admit it, take the suspension or will never win his appeal. I applaud him for standing up and going through this and not let it affect his game. I feel players should not face situations like this, the league should have common sense rules over testing. Being a multi billion dollar industry, I am not sure why they don't have tamper proof testing process?


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So what does this mean?
"A spokesperson for the NFL said the league is reviewing the decision..."

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2012/12/27/sherman-wins-appeal/#more-16292

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So what does this mean?
"A spokesperson for the NFL said the league is reviewing the decision..."

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2012/12/27/sherman-wins-appeal/#more-16292


that means that they're not prepared to release the official statement at this time but its merely a formality.


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So what does this mean?
"A spokesperson for the NFL said the league is reviewing the decision..."

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2012/12/27/sherman-wins-appeal/#more-16292


It's means the NFL is not allowed to talk about it and it should never have been public. We will probably never hear it officially from the NFL that he won.

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tdlabrie wrote:
So what does this mean?
"A spokesperson for the NFL said the league is reviewing the decision..."

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2012/12/27/sherman-wins-appeal/#more-16292

I think it means that in light of the decision, they are reviewing the procedures? Eh, who knows. Don't care as long as Sherman can play.

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Unfortunately for Richard, there are still plenty of people out there who are assuming that he tested positive, was guilty and simply got off on a technicality. I've already seen one comment saying that Richard admitted taking drugs, when that's not at all factual.

Despite what anyone says, I think it's highly likely this whole situation is the reason some players and coaches didn't vote Richard into the Pro Bowl. He's an alternate I think, but he should have been the starter.

I'm very pleased that the NFL was willing to admit the flawed nature of the test and throw out the result. I only hope that at some point they come up with better testing procedures.

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1. I am super happy Sherman will be playing.

2. I still believe that Sherman tested positive and he got off on a technicality. Unless the second cup used to put underneath was a dirty cup of adderall urine, then Sherman's urine still tested positive.


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Wonder if this guy was there when Sherm heard the good news? I've never seen a better fist pump.


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This is like a drunk driver getting off because the cop didn't follow procedure properly. Dude still drove drunk.


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this statement is based on a assumption he was guilty to begin with.. purely speculation and has no meritt what so ever.

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Wonder if this guy was there when Sherm heard the good news? I've never seen a better fist pump.


I personally prefer the slowly raised fist pump by the dude in the first row.


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He's been adamant the whole time, he's clean. He may be from Compromise but he is no dummy. I'll believe Sherman over the NFL.


No. They'd rather be right. Couple of these dudes spent so much time defending their position that there's no backing down for them now. Sorta like some of the Flynn people on here earlier in the season. ;)

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How many other test did Sherm have to take after and before this one? How long does this stuff stay in the system? It only takes a couple days to find out you failed, and I'm sure they make the players take another test pretty quickly. If he passed all these other tests then you have no choice but to admit he was clean. I'm sure he will be tested more then most now(NFL doesn't like being made to look like a fool), and I doubt he fails any from here on out.


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I like Sherman a lot. I still believe he tested positive. The two are mutually exclusive.

Don't hate on me cause I actually have my wits about me and not looking through seahawk colored glasses.

I find it comical cause if this happened to a player from the 49ers a lot of guys would be going mad cause the 49er got off on a technicality. But when it happens to a Seahawks then it means he is innocent and the NFl should eat shit. Haha.

Stop talking. Seriously.

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Haha, great news, sorry other teams, the hammer is coming down now. I'm glad I'm a Hawks fan so I am not demoralized hearing this news.

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The fact that the second cup already had a broken seal means that there is in fact the possibility that it could have been previously used and tainted. That is why the test results are invalidated. Had the tester taken an unused second cup, broken the seal and then used it, the results would be completely valid. He didn't. It may be a "technicality" but it's used to protect people from getting railroaded by faulty results.

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It does not prove guilt anymore than innocence. What it does pove is the system was flawed.

If you where clean and got found guilty of this over poor procedures and tainted samples you would be livid. Also in a lot of these cases what the stars took was not something to try and gain an unfair advantage but nutritonal or medicinal purposes that contain some illegal ingredients.

At the end of the day we dont know what was took if anything, and if it was taken what was its purpose? We do know however the process was flawed and the NFL are admitting due to the poor handling of the samples, they could have contaminated it and accused a man wrongly of cheating. That alone deserves for this decision to be made


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Look a broken seal, broken cup is not a technicality. A technicality is the tester initalized on page 1 of the report but not page 2, the lightning in the room was not up to OSHA standards so the piss test was invalidated.

Those are technicalities

BROKEN SEAL, BROKEN CUP - not technicalities. This is the foundation for drug testing. The fact that the sample cannot be altered / manipulated is one part of that but the main reason is somehow contaminated just by being in the same bag as other tests, underneath a previously used cup, in the same lab etc etc

I am the first person that says Armstrong is guilty (said it 12 years ago the first time), I said good that Marion Jones spent all her money defending her lying. I honestly don't know if Sherman took something but the fact is that when the testing procedures are completely broken like in this case then you have to not convict the player. You cannot suspend him in cases like this and I don't care if it is Sherman or if it is Tom Brady that this happened to.......


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ESPN is apparently not thrilled with the outcome, since it's not front page, breaking news worthy.


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I'm watching NFL AM this mornng and the topic of discussion was which team in the NFC West has the best defense. All three analysts(?) picked SF over SEA, some even saying SF is better on the road. All this time I though Sunday nights game was shown nationally, guess these guys didn't watch it at all.

One analyst(?) even said "with Sherman suspended, SF has to be the best defense". Shortly after this piece, they announced Sherman beat the suspension.

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http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/?from=stnv2

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The NFL does not disclose results of a failed test until the suspension is imposed. As a result, the NFL has no statement currently on the case. But Albert Breer — who works for NFL.com — indicated that flaws in the testing procedure invalidated the result. Washington Post reporter Mark Maske spoke to someone familiar with the case, who called Sherman’s argument “a slam-dunk winner.”


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Look a broken seal, broken cup is not a technicality. A technicality is the tester initalized on page 1 of the report but not page 2, the lightning in the room was not up to OSHA standards so the piss test was invalidated.

Those are technicalities

BROKEN SEAL, BROKEN CUP - not technicalities. This is the foundation for drug testing. The fact that the sample cannot be altered / manipulated is one part of that but the main reason is somehow contaminated just by being in the same bag as other tests, underneath a previously used cup, in the same lab etc etc

I am the first person that says Armstrong is guilty (said it 12 years ago the first time), I said good that Marion Jones spent all her money defending her lying. I honestly don't know if Sherman took something but the fact is that when the testing procedures are completely broken like in this case then you have to not convict the player. You cannot suspend him in cases like this and I don't care if it is Sherman or if it is Tom Brady that this happened to.......


Thank you. People can't legitimately say, "Well, he still failed the test," because, in effect, no legitimate test was done.


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Look a broken seal, broken cup is not a technicality. A technicality is the tester initalized on page 1 of the report but not page 2, the lightning in the room was not up to OSHA standards so the piss test was invalidated.

Those are technicalities

BROKEN SEAL, BROKEN CUP - not technicalities. This is the foundation for drug testing. The fact that the sample cannot be altered / manipulated is one part of that but the main reason is somehow contaminated just by being in the same bag as other tests, underneath a previously used cup, in the same lab etc etc

I am the first person that says Armstrong is guilty (said it 12 years ago the first time), I said good that Marion Jones spent all her money defending her lying. I honestly don't know if Sherman took something but the fact is that when the testing procedures are completely broken like in this case then you have to not convict the player. You cannot suspend him in cases like this and I don't care if it is Sherman or if it is Tom Brady that this happened to.......


Thank you. People can't legitimately say, "Well, he still failed the test," because, in effect, no legitimate test was done.


Like the Packer game, few are going to get past the initial reports.

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