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Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:16 am
  • History happened tonight. Not NFL history, but Seahawks history. Tonight marked the moment when there would be no doubters left among the Seahawks faithful, a moment where Jim Harbaugh realized just what he's in store for over the next decade, and a moment when the entire nation witnessed something team observers have known for a while, that something special is going on with the Seattle Seahawks.

    Normally I start off these things with a bit of an essay before rattling off factoids, but there is a point I want to drive home so I'm going to end with it, Jerry Springer style. So tonight, factoids come first.

    Random thoughts and observations

    1.

    Russell Wilson is almost incapable of throwing an interception that didn't touch the hands of his target first. Out of 10 picks this year, how many were 100% on Wilson? There was the Luke Kuechly pick... there might have been one or two others... but there haven't been many.

    And really, the reason Wilson is still a huge long shot for RoY is because of those 10 interceptions. It would be nice if we had a new stat that tracked "fumbleceptions" or some such name- a play where the target of the pass deserved the lion's share of the blame. Baseball does this with errors, and pitchers are essentially not charged with runs they allow as a result of them. If an "error" stat existed in the NFL, Wilson would have 3 or 4 interceptions right now, and he'd lead all rookies in passer rating. Maybe he'd lead everybody in passer rating. I can't speak for the rest of the league, but I've never seen a Seahawks QB suffer a higher percentage of interceptions that basically weren't his fault.

    Wilson is a rookie of the year candidate in what has been the best rookie season for offense in history. By a large margin. Were he doing this week in and week out for the New York Jets, he'd probably be a shoe-in for rookie of the year and probably even get serious mentions for MVP. But in Seattle, he will need to go above and beyond.

    Well, tonight was going above and beyond. Is Wilson still on the outside looking in? Anyone that watched the game tonight (and there were a lot of people watching) realized that the award isn't just about yards. Wilson threw for just 171 yards and it was all he needed to eviscerate the #1 defense on arguably the #1 team in the NFL. He was 11-12 on 3rd downs, including a few 3rd down TD passes. He was a perfect 4/4 in the red zone. Putting up those kind of numbers on a terrible NFL defense is very impressive, because it's still an NFL team. And he did that against THE best NFL defense. In a rivalry game. A game SF had to have for a bye week.

    Granted, SF was far from full strength tonight on defense without Smith, but most viewers won't know that. They'll just remember the 49ers team that did the unthinkable to the Patriots a mere week ago. And even at less than full strength, this was nothing less than one of the most impressive rookie performances in NFL history. Wilson may not win the award, but he's making fans across the country. Over the next decade, he might even start making Seahawks fans all over the country*. Now that's a thought.

    *Bill Simmons, Colin Cowherd, et al... he's already doing it.

    2.

    Sidney Rice was a game time decision and he did play, but even by playing and contributing little he showed the tremendous impact he has on this offense. Rice played with a bum knee and was more decoy than threat. That earned him very few targets and forced Wilson to find alternatives in the passing game. The result was Wilson having to hold the ball for an eternity on seemingly every throw for about a two quarter stretch in this game.

    The 49ers secondary may not be loaded with superstar big name players, but it is a legitimately great coverage defense. Quite frankly I thought they covered far better than our secondary did tonight, at least if judged by how often both QBs found wide open targets.

    Our WRs couldn't get open, and most of them do not improvise well. It forced Wilson to do ridiculous things to buy time and remind Cris Collinsworth to use the Fran Tarkenton comparison. It was the reason Wilson seemed more than happy to target Jermaine Kearse despite how he makes every catch feel like a 50/50 proposition. Kearse knows how to get open. And when Rice is ailing, we just don't have enough Jermaine Kearses to run great routes and free themselves up. Against lesser defenses, this isn't an issue. But against the great pass defenses, this has been evident all year.

    Even when Wilson did pull the trigger, how often was it into very tight coverage? In fairness to our WR corps, they made up for the lack of separation somewhat with some unbelievable catches tonight. But put simply, this WR group without a healthy Rice does not make it look easy.

    Seattle does have a good WR corps, but they need just one more guy that is money at getting separation and improvising to get open. That player could be as great as Greg Jennings or Wes Welker, or it could be a player as seemingly innocuous as Joe Jurevicius or Bobby Engram when they arrived here. But they need that guy. Rice is kind of that guy, and he's all we got right now. Tate is not that guy. Baldwin isn't that guy. Kearse is not that guy, although he could be if he learns how to catch. Hopefully Rice can stay healthy, because with a healthy Rice I think our offense is damn near unstoppable.

    3.

    I don't think SF actually scored that last TD. I think if that play had decided the game, it would have been reviewed and overturned. The WR appeared to fully lose control of the ball and upon regaining it, looked to have his knee out of bounds. That's how I saw it anyway.

    4.

    Stop me if you've heard this before: Seattle's pass rush sucked with a base rush, and once again it came to life when Carroll sent blitzers. I'm beginning to wonder- is Pete saving his blitzes for the postseason? I think he just might be. At least, I hope he is. Pete's brilliant, but he's not incapable of missing something right in front of his nose sometimes.

    5.

    It's funny, I actually came away very impressed with Jim Harbaugh in this game. He got his ass kicked, but Seattle only outgained SF by 33 yards. The 49ers handled the read option better than most teams had, keeping Seattle to "only" 176 yards rushing (and a very reasonable- all things considered- 4.5 yards per carry). Seattle had averaged something like 250 yards a game rushing in the previous three weeks- two of them against very tough defenses.

    When Seattle finally pulled out the trick play, Harbaugh was ready for it, and his defense almost got a turnover out of it. When Wilson dropped back to pass, he bought all the time in the world and yet his receivers remained glued to the DBs. Lynch was stuffed a lot in this game. It all spoke to how well Harbaugh prepared his team this week. Honestly, I'm impressed. It just makes tonight's result that much more incredible.

    6.

    I'll never get to watch Seattle crush a Bill Cowher coached Steelers team in the Superbowl and watch tears stream down his whiny little tantrum face. I won't get that chance, but tonight came pretty close to that level of Schadenfreude. Harbaugh is pretty easy to dislike and he's deserved a butt whooping like this for some time. And unlike the big losses he suffered to the Giants and Vikings- this game didn't feel like a fluke and wasn't built off a horrible Alex Smith performance. Nope, the Seahawks pretty much just crushed them. They put Harbaugh's team in it's place, and there were several wonderful moments when Harbaugh's bruised ego shown through in his reactions.

    7.

    I thought Colin Kaepernick played decently well tonight. He had all night to throw for much of the game, but when Seattle finally started bringing pressure late in the game I thought he did an outstanding job avoiding pressure and finding targets. Make no mistake, this is still a growing QB with a very high ceiling. He really struggled with the noise but you'd expect that. I think his biggest problem was not trusting his WRs more. He had some very poor throws to open targets throughout the game, I guess because he was trying to be conservative and avoid mistakes. He then reverted to the opposite in the end zone, relying on his arm too much, and it finally cost him. He did make some fantastic throws in this game, especially his very last one on 4th and 17.

    8.

    Seattle is getting penalized less in the last month or so than they had been in 2011 or in the early part of this season. But more impressively, Wilson is showing the ability to overcome penalties and keep drives moving. An extra 10 yards from a hold is a devastating penalty to most ball control offenses. It's a sign of an elite QB when offenses can work out of those problems regularly. And right now Wilson is shrugging off setbacks with regularity.

    9.

    There were some great catches in this game, but let's not forget about that fully extended grab by Robert Turbin on 3rd down. It was good to see that after the huge drop-ception he had earlier in the game (as well as the would-be-TD drop he had in the first game).

    10.

    There is a lot of misinformation out there which accuses Carroll of copying Jim Harbaugh. As Scottemojo would say with the utmost class and sophistication: it's mostly bullshit.

    But for all the false accusations, Carroll did actually steal something from Harbaugh recently: the Pistol-in-the-NFL idea. And he's doing it better than Harbaugh can. So thanks for that Jimmy. Now eat it. Hey, if Pete is going to "copy" Harbaugh, he might as well show him how it's done.

    11.

    Tonight was a showdown between a pair of teams that many people believe to be the two most talented in the NFL. The final score: 42-13. How can that even be possible?

    It's possible because for as talented as Colin Kaepernick may be, he does not have the faith of his teammates that Russell Wilson has. He does not transform their offense the way Wilson has in Seattle. Seattle's offense last year ranked near the bottom of the league, and with nearly the same group returning it is now among the best in football. That can't be explained just by big numbers. Wilson is only averaging around 200 yards passing a game. The reason it's happening is because of efficiency and synergy. The offense with Wilson has become almost impossible to stop in the red zone, and lately, on 3rd downs too. The use of the pistol and read option has taken this offense into it's own stratosphere. Before the season, I predicted that Seattle would post solid yardage but score a lot of points. Tonight was the perfect example of that, scoring 5 offensive TDs on just 346 total yards.

    It's all made possible because Wilson just makes this offense go. It's not just about the plays he makes, it's about how his multidimensional threat and expertise within the offense makes everyone more potent as a side effect. Kaepernick is multifaceted too, but the big difference is Wilson's feel for the game and the unshakable sense of confidence that he has in himself and by extension, the team has in itself. Kaepernick is a talented QB with a bright future; Russell Wilson is an NFL demigod in the making. The NFL's Johnny Football. He is the Alexander the Great or Napoleon of the brave new NFL world.

    Final Thought

    Seattle had some factors going in their favor- the crowd noise really threw Kaepernick and disrupted him in a way that our pass rush was incapable of during the suspenseful portion of the game. I'm the last person to sound the alarm about our pass rush, but tonight worried me. The 49ers have a great line, but it was laughable how much time Kaepernick had to throw until Carroll finally conceded with some blitzing late in the game. Make no mistake, even though I don't think Wilson would be disrupted nearly as much by the 12thman as Kaepernick was, it was the 12th man who was the MVP on defense tonight. Not the pass rush.

    That leads to the question, what hope does Seattle have on the road? Granted, Seattle will not have the crowd noise on their side in the playoffs, and we can probably bank on the pass rush continuing to fail if it rests on a base rush. But here's the optimism angle: our team just crushed maybe the best team in the NFL with crowd noise and a collection of special teams players at corner.

    The main reason Seattle has struggled on the road over the years- it's mainly related to the defense and the pass rush specifically. Seattle did not get very good pressure in any of the last 4 games. They are 4-0, winning by a combined score of 173 to 47. This team is destroying NFL opponents without needing a pass rush to do it. And if you take pass rush out of the equation, this team is basically as good on the road as anywhere else. Fluke interceptions aside, Wilson has basically been as good on the road as he's been at home, the running game has always travelled well, as have the stellar special teams play. This is why Seattle suddenly looks like a viable road team- they have trancended their dependence on the pass rush to dominate NFL competition.

    And that is, well, unbelievably exciting if this trend continues. Right now it feels like Seattle can't lose a game unless they make five or six huge mistakes during a game, and they aren't exactly handing out mistakes by the bushel right now.

    Seattle might just have a shot as a road team in the playoffs after all. They haven't won a road game since 1983, but if that changes and this young team gets a taste of postseason road victory at Dallas or Washington, be ready for what looks like a very real chance at a long ride through the postseason.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:23 am
  • I think yo'rue right on number 3 and i was surprised the broadcast didnt even question it. He initially had both feet down, but then he bobbled the ball and was out of bounds before he could reestablish control. I think it was an incompletion.

    And in regards to number 2 and needing another WR. What do you think about Percy Harvin? I've heard its very unlikely he'll be back in Minnesota. I think he'd be a hugely dangerous addition to our WR core.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:25 am
  • All right!! No, our night is complete. Thanks, Kearly.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:26 am
  • The "it" that Russell Wilson has was never more evident than tonight when, with the clock running down, he got McCoy in the right spot, almost lost his mouth piece as he was scanning the defense, got it back in as he received the snap at 1 second, adjusted to the blitz, and lofted a perfect pass to McCoy for six.

    Ordinary QB's do not do this.

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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:33 am
  • Thanks - lost my FF with two points due to the SF TD but hadn't seen it. So now not only did I loose but shouldn't have ( Seattle defense in my team). Fantastic

    Agree 100% about WR. Good news was RW and Baldwin getting on the same page heading into the playoffs.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:35 am
  • good post I think this is the most dominate team the hawks have ever fielded.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:39 am
  • Great post, it's clear this team is domination. I've never been as excited as I am now about a team heading into the playoffs. This is the rise of the Seahawks, the team that can win games a lot of way's. They can out score you, they can shut you down on defense, they can run it down your throat and get 3 yards when needed. In the red zone, they can pass, run it, have plays break down and still score. Special teams can hurt you and can negate your special teams. I can not remember seeing this dominance from a team in a long time or maybe ever?

    WR depth and pass rush are the only warts that could hurt.

    Props to the run defense in this game, holy crap they returned tonight. Special mention to Lane, nice game.

    I really thought, if Seattle can get momentum and defeat San Fran in convincing fashion, this could be a special playoff run.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:40 am
  • Very well said kearly!
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:40 am
  • I agree on numbers 2 & 3. As for #2, I could easily see a WR adding another dimension to this offense, making it even more difficult to stop. However, O-line could be a top priority too. Finally, I could see one more top studly DT making a huge difference in our Base pass rush. As for #3, I was perturbed by the lack of concern over the validity of the TD. I, too, felt it was not a score. However, I do take solace in the fact that it was against our 4th or 5th string guys by that time.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:43 am
  • Yes. They are dominant. Even compared to the 2005 team. That year, I held my breath, hoping noone went down injured. Now I feel a confidence that the next man can step up with hardly a drop in overall performance by the team.

    What a heady feeling to have........Seahawks fans being confident?!? Will wonders never cease.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:43 am
  • Just think if we had a Von Miller or J.J. Watt type player on our Dline. I can think of a few game that came to the other team driving down to score. Lions and Dolphins. If we had a beast of a DE. We sack the QB's on those last drives. Then we have 2 maybe 3 more wins. Then we're beating out the Falsons for the 1 seed. If we fnd a gem in the draft to go along with Clem and Irvin. We could win 12 or 13 next season.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:46 am
  • ProckHawks wrote:Just think if we had a Von Miller or J.J. Watt type player on our Dline. I can think of a few game that came to the other team driving down to score. Lions and Dolphins. If we had a beast of a DE. We sack the QB's on those last drives. Then we have 2 maybe 3 more wins. Then we're beating out the Falsons for the 1 seed. If we fnd a gem in the draft to go along with Clem and Irvin. We could win 12 or 13 next season.

    God, the way this front office drafts, I get light headed thinking about how good we'll be next year.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:53 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:And in regards to number 2 and needing another WR. What do you think about Percy Harvin? I've heard its very unlikely he'll be back in Minnesota. I think he'd be a hugely dangerous addition to our WR core.


    I didn't even know Harvin would be available. He obviously makes a ton of sense- he fits the quick WR profile that John Schneider and Ted Thompson have targeted in the draft, he gets open easily as evidenced by the huge number of receptions, and he has history with Darrell Bevell. Finding the money for him could be tricky, but yeah. Makes all the sense in the world.

    Edit: He's a free agent in 2014. So I assume you mean the Seahawks pursuing a Harvin trade? I'd be more hesitant to do that, just because the money plus the pick is a double whammy on resources and I really like this draft for WRs. However, if the draft comes and goes and Seattle can't get their guy, I'd consider offering a 2014 pick for Harvin.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:58 am
  • kearly wrote:He was 11-12 on 3rd downs, including a few 3rd down TD passes.

    Just a minor quibble, but I've seen this elsewhere as well. Seattle as a whole was 11-12 on 3rd down (minus the final kneel down). Wilson was 9-10 passing and rushing, and the other two were rushes by Lynch and Turbin.

    The 49ers handled the read option better than most teams had, keeping Seattle to "only" 176 yards rushing (and a very reasonable- all things considered- 4.5 yards per carry). Seattle had averaged something like 250 yards a game rushing in the previous three weeks- two of them against very tough defenses.

    I don't remember Wilson keeping it once on the read-option; the play-fakes he did give looked like ordinary play-action. If Wilson made the correct call on the DE each time, that would mean that SF instructed the DE to jump out at Wilson on every read-option, and trust in their defense to stop Lynch with one less defender, essentially making the DE a QB spy right off the bat. Since the 49ers have the best rush defense according to Football Outsiders, this seems like a very good strategy (though it works less well without Justin Smith); I'm pretty sure Seattle has been much more successful at the read-option when Wilson keeps it than when he hands it off.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:01 am
  • NFL.com shows the Seahawks being 11-13 on 3rd down overall. They didn't list Wilson's split on it, but the team number was 11-13. The Wilson 11-12 number was cited by several mainstream press articles following the game, so I assumed it was accurate. It might not be.

    Great observation about the read option. It's true that Seattle seemed more deadly at it against Buffalo when the Bills had no answer for Wilson keeping the ball.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:04 am
  • With regards to #3, isn't every scoring play reviewed?
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:05 am
  • I guess not when it's cold and rainy and everyone wants to go home. They lined up and kicked that extra point without any kind of delay. If it was reviewed, they obviously didn't care very much about getting it right.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:13 am
  • kearly wrote:NFL.com shows the Seahawks being 11-13 on 3rd down overall. They didn't list Wilson's split on it, but the team number was 11-13. The Wilson 11-12 number was cited by several mainstream press articles following the game, so I assumed it was accurate.

    Yeah, I went through the play-by-play and tallied it up. The two misses were Wilson's 20-second scramble and the final play of the game. They also converted a 12th 3rd down on Tate being held in the end zone, though I guess that doesn't get included in the final stats.

    My random thought of the game is that finally Seattle's opponent missed a field goal, and even that required an active role by Seattle's special teams defense. The extremely long Akers make later on reverted back to being par for the course. Seattle's opponents are now 21 for 22 for the season.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:17 am
  • It's all made possible because Wilson just makes this offense go. It's not just about the plays he makes, it's about how his multidimensional threat and expertise within the offense makes everyone as more potent as a side effect.


    This x 1000. He makes everyone around him better not just because of the confidence he exudes, but because he can make defenses pay in so many ways, they don't know who to defend.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:56 am
  • Golden Tate should get more respect, he's a hell of a play maker with the ball in his hands. I love the idea of adding to Tate and Rice going forward but Golden is a pretty damn fine player in my book.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:05 am
  • Excellent as usual my man. Agree completey with your assertation that this offense needs a WR that just gets open. I'm hopeful that over time the present group will also get better at coming back to Russ/working themselves open when he starts scrambling around. But a Bobby Engram type would be welcome and those guys don't require a first or second round draft pick or a huge FA contract.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:05 am
  • Kearly,

    I just read Peter kings MMQB. Then I read your piece. He really needs to take some pointers from you to hone his writing skills.

    I'm being serious. You should seriously be making a living doing this.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:25 am
  • kearly wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:And in regards to number 2 and needing another WR. What do you think about Percy Harvin? I've heard its very unlikely he'll be back in Minnesota. I think he'd be a hugely dangerous addition to our WR core.


    I didn't even know Harvin would be available. He obviously makes a ton of sense- he fits the quick WR profile that John Schneider and Ted Thompson have targeted in the draft, he gets open easily as evidenced by the huge number of receptions, and he has history with Darrell Bevell. Finding the money for him could be tricky, but yeah. Makes all the sense in the world.

    Edit: He's a free agent in 2014. So I assume you mean the Seahawks pursuing a Harvin trade? I'd be more hesitant to do that, just because the money plus the pick is a double whammy on resources and I really like this draft for WRs. However, if the draft comes and goes and Seattle can't get their guy, I'd consider offering a 2014 pick for Harvin.


    Yea, he apparently wants out of Minnesota. I think he'd be the perfect piece to fill in this offense. I'd be willing to go as high as a 2nd rounder this year.

    This report from just 2 days ago:

    In the aftermath of a report this week from Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com that Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier engaged in a “heated exchange” before Harvin’s placement on injured reserve, there is plenty of scuttlebutt regarding the question of whether Harvin will ask again to be traded — and whether this time the Vikings will decide to grant his request.


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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:50 am
  • I thought Harbaugh blew any chance the 49ers had with his early playcalling. I said last week that I thought Harbaugh was losing his teams identity by trying to throw the ball so much with Kaepernick, and he came out did exactly that. He chose not to set a physical tone, instead he made the statement that they weren't going to try and pound the ball. When he made that decision, the game was over. The Seahawks, the nation, the fans were all ready for a physical street fight like the first meeting, everyone was ready for that, except the 49ers.

    I wasn't that worried about the pass rush because I think part of the scheme was to stay in the pass rush lanes and when kaepernick scrambles, make him move side to side rather than allowing him to run downhill. Sure, the pass rush isn't great, but they made him uncomfortable at times, and sometimes thats worth more than a sack.

    Wilson's interception was partially his fault, the ball was too high and he should've just thrown it at Turbin's feet, the 49ers were all over that play and it was the only time that night where they really attacked a play. They were on their heels the rest of the evening.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:21 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:Yea, he apparently wants out of Minnesota. I think he'd be the perfect piece to fill in this offense. I'd be willing to go as high as a 2nd rounder this year.


    For me the hard part is the money aspect. I'm assuming Harvin will want at least DeSean Jackson money ($10 million per). Having that kind of contract on the books almost forces Seattle to release Zach Miller to make ends meet while still having a prayer of locking up some of our big name free agents in 2014.

    Then you have the 2nd round pick- that pick could be a player like Robert Woods, Marcus Wheaton, Keenan Allen, Tavon Austin, or DeAndre Hopkins among others.

    So basically if we did that trade, it would be like trading Miller + Woods/Allen/Wheaton/Austin/Hopkins for Harvin. I think we are better not making that deal.

    Harvin does make sense for Seattle, but like every move cost matters. The reason the Seahawks are so good right now is because they are loaded with outstanding players on dirt cheap contracts. Then you factor in the draft pick, and it's a double whammy, because draft picks turn into good, cheap players that add more wins per dollar than all but the most stellar free agents do.

    I think if Harvin cost a 7th round pick and signed a 5/25 type contract, obviously I'd want Seattle to be all over that. But at 5/50 and a 2nd, that's way too rich for me. I think my ceiling would probably be a 4th rounder (since these are easy to acquire from draft day trade downs) and a Sidney Rice type contract. Anything more than that, and I'm not interested.

    Of course, it's possible Seattle just isn't interested in Harvin. This is a great draft for WRs that fit the Ted Thompson/John Schneider profile, and I think it's the real reason why John Schneider bad mouthed last year's WR class, which was universally considered to be an above average class. Harvin is talking his way off a team that has a real chance to make the playoffs next week. He has a reputation as a "me first" player. He's also the only WR worth a damn on a team that has a limited, 1-read QB, and that really blows his production out of the water. He's still really good and nearly peerless after the catch, but there are reasons to approach him with caution.

    At the right price, I'd be stoked to get him. I think he'd fit our offense well. He'd provide a successor to Leon Washington on special teams. He'd allow Carroll/Bevell to open up the playbook even more. I don't expect him to put up huge numbers for us like he did in Minnesota, but for the right price I think he makes a ton of sense.

    seahawk2k wrote:Wilson's interception was partially his fault, the ball was too high and he should've just thrown it at Turbin's feet, the 49ers were all over that play and it was the only time that night where they really attacked a play. They were on their heels the rest of the evening.


    Wilson had to throw over a pass rusher and elevate his throw. It's pretty routine to see that on a screen play. Turbin had two hands on it. It wasn't the easiest throw/catch but we're talking about a ball that went like 8 feet. He has to catch that. It wasn't automatic, but a great 3rd down back would make it look like it. I thought it was a much easier pass to catch than his drop in the first game that cost a touchdown. I don't think Wilson could have seen Willis. Willis came out of nowhere in a hurry to blow that play up, and had he missed, Turbin would have had a huge gain. But if Wilson did see it, then yeah, throwing the ball into the ground would have been the best COA. Either way, I put close to 0% of the blame on that interception on Wilson. It was mostly Turbin but also partly luck and partly a great effort by Willis.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:23 pm
  • I personally put at least half of the Turbin interception on Wilson. I wonder what he thinks. Thatnks for the write up Kearly, awsome as usual.
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:30 pm
  • I'd put maybe 10% of it on Wilson. It wasn't a perfect throw, but it's a routine play a RB has to make. At the very least, those kinds of plays almost never turn into interceptions.

    Really, it was a luck interception more than anything. Right place right time for Willis.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:31 pm
  • kearly wrote:I'd put maybe 10% of it on Wilson. It wasn't a perfect throw, but it's a routine play a RB has to make. At the very least, those kinds of plays almost never turn into interceptions.

    Really, it was a luck interception more than anything. Right place right time for Willis.


    BTW, why do you think Tate can never be "that guy"?

    Just a concerned Tate fan :(
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:54 pm
  • kearly wrote:I'd put maybe 10% of it on Wilson. It wasn't a perfect throw, but it's a routine play a RB has to make. At the very least, those kinds of plays almost never turn into interceptions.

    Really, it was a luck interception more than anything. Right place right time for Willis.


    Not sure if you've ever played football but that's an impossible catch for turbine to make. For a wr id understand but for turbine, never. First off turbine is far bulkier than a wr, secondly his shoulder pads are much bulkier than a wr 's. These two points make it near impossible for him to catch the ball so high directly above his head, especially when its thrown so hard at such close range. It may have been his only major mistake but id say 100% of the blame needs to go to Wilson. There was no reward as the play was covered tightly and extremely high risk along with a horrible throw.

    Also for those who are talking about Percy Garvin, forget about it. Tate= harvin. They are the same player.
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