Sherman just said he is very optimistic about his appeal...

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  • Well, if that's the case, he broke the rules and is now flaunting the fact he beat the rap on a technicality, I want him to STFU more than ever. There is nothing admirable about cheating and it sends the wrong message to the impressionable.

    Yes, I'm serious. I'm no choir boy, I will break one rule or another by lunch tomorrow, but I'm not going to scream about it from the roof tops or rub anyone's nose in it either.

    We have a good thing going in Seattle, we don't need the refs, NFL, whomever after us any more than they already are. Don't applaud such behaviour, then be surprized when calls don't go our way. Yes, he is a big name, but he's not bigger than the NFL.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
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  • Yeah, I don't like him calling out the NFL on live TV. We don't need another XL.
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  • But nobody was calling out the NFL before XL... and we still got... XL. So, why should he be quiet?
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  • HawkWow wrote:Well, if that's the case, he broke the rules and is now flaunting the fact he beat the rap on a technicality

    No....he has consistently denied the allegations, now he is saying, here, her is the proof that I am innocent, they messed up the chain of command and therefore the results are invalid.. That's what I take from it.
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  • Jazzhawk wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:Well, if that's the case, he broke the rules and is now flaunting the fact he beat the rap on a technicality

    No....he has consistently denied the allegations, now he is saying, here, her is the proof that I am innocent, they messed up the chain of command and therefore the results are invalid.. That's what I take from it.



    Understood, I was responding to a previous poster that (basically) said he believed Sherm was guilty, but going to get off, and is now giving the finger to the system. Others thought that was some kind of cool as well. I disagreed with that.

    The XL example was spot on. It don't take a Stanford grad to understand things can be made uncomfortable for us. Lets win a title then these guys can pop off all they want thereafter.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
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  • The last thing I want to do is be argumentative after a HUGE Seahawks win, but I'll reiterate my point that before XL our team was walking the line. Nobody was out of step, or bad mouthing the league, or taunting its Golden Boy QBs, and we still got hosed in XL. So why would Sherman talking now make a difference? Our fear feels more like superstition than anything real.
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  • I think our team has earned a reputation as a young, loud, brash, nasty team. Sherman is a leader of this team. He sets the tone. By talking he sets the tone and the rest of the defense takes note. It's what has created the massive amount of swagger this team has, I want Sherman to talk, I want Sherman to embarass people, it's what he does best. IMO, SHerman should tell the whole world about it.
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  • HawkAroundTheClock wrote:The last thing I want to do is be argumentative after a HUGE Seahawks win, but I'll reiterate my point that before XL our team was walking the line. Nobody was out of step, or bad mouthing the league, or taunting its Golden Boy QBs, and we still got hosed in XL. So why would Sherman talking now make a difference? Our fear feels more like superstition than anything real.


    You're right, other than Stevens, we were a very respectable group (and still got hosed). I mean no disresepct here, but using such logic is like saying, I got hit by a Kam truck (lol) while walking on the sidewalk, so from now on, I might as well walk on the freeway.

    I just think it's better to not rile these aholes. As you suggest, they have it in for us already. BTW, I think the teary-eyed retirement of "the face of the NFL", Jerome Bettis, playing his final game in his home town, played a role against us in XL. I could be wrong.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
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  • HawkAroundTheClock wrote:The last thing I want to do is be argumentative after a HUGE Seahawks win, but I'll reiterate my point that before XL our team was walking the line. Nobody was out of step, or bad mouthing the league, or taunting its Golden Boy QBs, and we still got hosed in XL. So why would Sherman talking now make a difference? Our fear feels more like superstition than anything real.


    I am so with you on this. Walk the line, and get hosed in Super Bowl XL. Better to create drama and *interest* by arguing and posturing. Remember 44 Boz Inc. selling 10,000 "Ban the Boz" T-Shirts to Bronco fans? The NFL is an *entertainment* product. They are competing with other programming, including the reality TV schlock. Sherman is creating great drama for the NFL, that stands a good chance of *IMPROVING RATINGS*. It doesn't matter whether people agree or disagree, like, or dislike Sherman, as long as they pay attention and WATCH the games, comment on the NFL and ESPN forum threads, etc.
    By this same reasoning, the NFL would WANT the Seahawks and the Packers to meet in a playoff game, with the storyline of the Packers "avenging" the "Fail Mary" defeat.

    So Sherm, keep running your mouth and calling out the NFL. Thank God you're not toeing the NFL line, and if we make it to the Super Bowl this year, the chances of getting jobbed are much smaller than before XL. The NFL made the storyline on XL all about "The Bus" and how he needed a championship to complete his career. I don't even recall any storylines from the Seahawks side that the media pushed.

    This year, in a Super Bowl, there should be plenty of storylines. Russell Wilson, rookie quarterback, with the opportunity to make history. Sherman, is he or isn't he cheating, and the NFL was forced to delay rulings until after the playoffs due to legal/procedural issues. The more storylines there are about the Seahawks that grab national attention, the less likely we'll get jobbed. So Sherm, yak it up, dude! Trash-talk those nasty mean old NFL fogies, Goodell and Co!!
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  • HawkWow wrote:You're right, other than Stevens, we were a very respectable group (and still got hosed). I mean no disresepct here, but using such logic is like saying, I got hit by a Kam truck (lol) while walking on the sidewalk, so from now on, I might as well walk on the freeway.

    I just think it's better to not rile these aholes. As you suggest, they have it in for us already. BTW, I think the teary-eyed retirement of "the face of the NFL", Jerome Bettis, playing his final game in his home town, played a role against us in XL. I could be wrong.


    I was posting just as you were writing this, didn't see your post first, and all I could recall, storyline-wise from XL was the "win a title for the Bus" angle the media played. So two of us independently mention that as the dominant media storyline going into Super Bowl XL. ESPN's writeup of the game starts like this... "The Pittsburgh Steelers were the overwhelming sentimental Super Bowl XL favorites, both here and in Las Vegas, but for better than three quarters, the Seattle Seahawks had Pittsburgh engaged in a serious football game." The reason Seattle lost the game... lack of compelling storylines to counter the "Win one for the Bus" angle.

    OK, not the real reason Seattle *lost* the XL game, but the reason we got crappy reffing that contributed. The real reason for the XL loss was lack of depth in the defensive backfield, and the 3rd-string man-off-the-street Free Safety Etric Pruitt who got burned for the Steelers two big-play touchdowns, the Willie Parker run, and the Antwaan Randle-El pass for a TD. Yeah, both TDs, same dude burned. We got "Next man up" under Carroll, so that won't be happening. Second reason Seattle loses, Hass throws a bonehead pick in the Red Zone after the bogus holding penalty. We've got RW as our QB, and he would be very unlikely to make a play like that.

    But I digress. Sherman needs to keep talking and creating drama and interest, so the Seattle storylines are at least as interesting and compelling as their opponent's. The other smart thing the 'Hawks could do, if they make the Super Bowl, would be to find a way to independently trot out Holmgren, where he isn't under team employ, to talk about the biased and poor officiating in XL, and raise the storyline, "will Seattle get an even break from the officials in this Super Bowl." We found out in XL that the NFL has more in common with WWE than we thought. So let's have multiple interesting storylines.
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  • This is what he actually said. Its on NBC Sports.com. When asked about his opinion on winning his appeal? Word for word.

    "I'm incredibly optimistic. They broke rules that you can't break. And ummm unless they just you know say they can break rules and you know suspend me than we should be fine."
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  • olyfan63 wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:Sherman needs to keep talking and creating drama and interest, so the Seattle storylines are at least as interesting and compelling as their opponent's. The other smart thing the 'Hawks could do, if they make the Super Bowl, would be to find a way to independently trot out Holmgren, where he isn't under team employ, to talk about the biased and poor officiating in XL, and raise the storyline, "will Seattle get an even break from the officials in this Super Bowl."


    That is a fascinating idea. Just take it to 'em. Play the media game and play it so well the league has reason to drum us up the way they did Bettis. Only our storyline is the beginning of something big rather than the end of a career. Very clever.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:I cant believe Pehawk's too much of a puss to fly out to New Jersey. Someone take away his man card.


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  • Seems like we'll hear one way or the other before noon today.
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  • HawkWow wrote:
    Sherm is arguably my favorite player. Believe me, I want to be wrong, but aside from all of the "that's just him" commentary here, how would you explain, or rationalise his comment "the league can break rules but players can't"? (para-phrased). That is the 'in the heat of the moment, eurphoric from the win' comment that is the source of my uncertainty. How does that translate to..."I did nothing wrong"?


    Ok what he really said was "they might SAY they can break the rules and players can't and still suspend me, but I'm optimistic. They broke the rules...etc etc etc..."
    That might not be 100% exactly right but its way closer the tone than what you've been implying.
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  • Any news on when is the most likely time we will hear the outcome of his appeal?
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  • rastahawk wrote:The thing that worries me the most is that regardless of the arguments the league doesn't really care. Has any case involving banned substances ruled in favor of the defendant?


    Yes there was a player on the Bears whose suspension was overturned just this year.
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  • HawkAroundTheClock wrote:
    olyfan63 wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:Sherman needs to keep talking and creating drama and interest, so the Seattle storylines are at least as interesting and compelling as their opponent's. The other smart thing the 'Hawks could do, if they make the Super Bowl, would be to find a way to independently trot out Holmgren, where he isn't under team employ, to talk about the biased and poor officiating in XL, and raise the storyline, "will Seattle get an even break from the officials in this Super Bowl."


    That is a fascinating idea. Just take it to 'em. Play the media game and play it so well the league has reason to drum us up the way they did Bettis. Only our storyline is the beginning of something big rather than the end of a career. Very clever.


    Your comment got me started down this track, when you pointed out that we toed the line, nice boys with good manners for Super Bowl XL, and then we got JOBBED in the big game. If acting like nice boys and minding our manners just got us screwed before, as you pointed out, why do it again??!! From there, connecting some dots, the NFL is an ENTERTAINMENT *product*, it's all about money and ratings, etc., and then viewing the competition, "Reality" TV, it becomes apparent the formula for success there is creating drama and emotional engagement among the viewership. When Seattle makes the Super Bowl again, we need to make sure a major storyline is "will Seattle get an even break from the refs this time", "is the NFL an honest product or is it WWE in helmets", etc. Along with storylines of "Richard Sherman, wrongly-accused underdog hero, or cheating villain scum?" Quick, name 3 players from the Detroit Lions. Along with Megatron and Stafford, was Suh in the first 3? We will watch, hoping to see the villain get his comeuppance. The more emotionally compelling, interesting storylines associated with the Seahawks, the better the chances the NFL doesn't try to influence the game outcomes in the name of TV ratings and dollars. The "Can Seattle get an even break from the refs this time?" storyline, if we were able to get national media to push it a little, could also have the effect of embarrassing the NFL into ensuring the next Super Bowl game involving the Seahawks is officiated competently and fairly.

    Who knew it was the Sh--- er, Pittsburgh PR staff that was really responsible for their Super Bowl XL "victory" by getting the media hooked into the "Win a title for the Bus" storyline? By implication, the Seattle PR staff is partly responsible for allowing this to happen, an absence of compelling Seattle storylines (possibly influenced by Holmgren) that led to the refs subconsciously looking for ways to help the "sentimental favorite" win. So the Seahawks PR and media staff needs to set a tone that we will never allow a Super Bowl opponent to hijack the storyline again!! Always compete!! Even (especially?) in the team's PR and Media office!!
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  • Yep. Clearly there's no evidence that anything is fixed, etc. etc., but I hear ya. It seems like most SB winners in recent memory have had a disproportionate amount of 'feel good' or attention-getting storylines leading up to the big game. Whether it's just a perception or not, the sports entertainment aspect you mention is undeniable. More viewers = more money, no way around that. So the more interesting our story, the more media attention, the better the ratings, and the better our chance of getting a fair shake. Sounds good.
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