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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:40 am
  • It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco[/quote]

    I don't know about San Francisco, I have actually never even been there before. I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way. They just make millions why you cheer them on like little girls and could easily play for a different team next year without sadness) and anyone (even supporters of your team) that make comments that may be negative towards one of your little babies, "OH! You are a TROLL! You are an idiot! I hate you! Don't talk bad about my family! Whaaa!!!"

    And somehow I am from San Fran? Good god, dumb@ss. Get real and get a life. Sherman isn't your dad, brother, or son. You have no real connection to this random dude. Im sorry I stated my opinion that makes a lot of sense to a lot of other people outside of die-hard obsessed Seahawks fans (even some of you agree).

    SMH. Pathetic.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:41 am
  • i wonder with all the money the NFL has, why are they peeing in a cup? Cut off one of the dreads, thats what my company does
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:46 am
  • People please get your quotes right! I'm thoroughly confused with comments not being quoted as intended, being attributed to the wrong poster, etc.

    Sherman has nothing to gain by going public with his case now. Coaches are coy with injuries because they don't want to give away anything to their opponents (even if it's a miniscule advantage), the same logic applies to Sherman. There's nothing to gain by disclosing details to the media, and there's potential for loss. I'd be shocked if Sherman's lawyer(s) hadn't told him to keep quiet about the appeal.

    Also, changing his story? From your link

    NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported last month that Sherman told friends he didn't know he was ingesting Adderall when he drank from a teammate's bottle.

    So, Rapoport, at best, heard it from a friend of Sherman. That's not anything filed with the league to contest the case, nothing made to a media member, just a rumor that someone says came from a friend of Sherman. The source could be a fake, could've misheard or misunderstood, the writer could've misunderstood the source, Sherman could be bs'ing this friend because he knows the friend can't keep quiet. The point is not that any one of these is right, but that any one of these could occur and for that reason, yes, I believe Sherman when he says that story is not his defense... that's not the same as believing Sherman is innocent of the PED use, btw.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:46 am
  • MTS wrote:I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


    This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:48 am
  • Greenhell wrote:
    MTS wrote:It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco

    I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


    This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.[/quote]

    No, what is states is that I am a fan, but a fan that understand how it all works. Its a money making entertainment machine. Thats all fine and well, but when you get super-pathetically obsessed to the point where you are arguing people on forums, calling them names because they state an opinion about a random player and get offended, you need help (and a life).
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:50 am
  • MTS wrote:
    Greenhell wrote:
    MTS wrote:It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco

    I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


    This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.


    No, what is states is that I am a fan, but a fan that understand how it all works. Its a money making entertainment machine. Thats all fine and well, but when you get super-pathetically obsessed to the point where you are arguing people on forums, calling them names because they state an opinion about a random player and get offended, you need help (and a life).[/quote]


    Looks like forums are not the place for you if you cannot handle it.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:50 am
  • Sherman never said he didn't take Adderall or any other PED. All he said was that the truth would come out and that he would be ok. Besides, it is illegal for any NFL employee or player to comment on a pending suspension appeal.

    The defense here reminds me a lot of Ryan Braun a couple years ago. Positive for steroids, but sample tampered with (protocol not followed), therefore results thrown out.

    This could work. If Sherman can subpeona the test taker and he admits to using a broken cup then I don't see how the results hold up.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:51 am
  • The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:52 am
  • Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:54 am
  • MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    Yes. It would make me happy.

    I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:54 am
  • Don't challenge the test,challenge the system. It worked for Ryan Braun...
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:56 am
  • Evil_Shenanigans wrote:The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.



    Fact: Sherman tested positive for Adderall
    Fact: It was reported that he stated that he drank from a water bottle
    Fact: Sherman now denies this story
    Fact: Sherman now says it was due to a broken container (obviously laced with adderall, the drug that Brandon Browner among others got caught with and didn't deny).
    Fact: Brandon Browner got caught with the exact same substance.
    Fact: It is nearly impossible for a container to break and then be replaced with another that somehow was magically laced with Adderall.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:57 am
  • Yes. It would make me happy.

    I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.



    Haha, at least you told the truth! Although, I wouldn't be very impressed with myself if those were my morals!
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:58 am
  • MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    Yes it should. I'd much rather live in a world where someone must prove their allegation against you before punishing you, rather than punishing you off a suspicion. It unavoidably ends with "guilty" parties walking, but this process also prevents gross injustices (see Bountygate).
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:59 am
  • MTS wrote:The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

    In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

    You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.


    Yes, the writer of the story really loved making that part up! :)

    Next, you act like this is a case where someone robbed someone else. What does the NFL get for suspending a player that makes them a lot of money? :snack:

    Finally, do you have ANY idea how unlikely/improbable it is for the broken cup or the new cup was to be LACED with adderall...what a nice coincidence, seeing as how Browner was caught with Adderall, too.

    Man! It all points to his innocence!
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    Maybe just maybe Browner actually did test positive for Adderall, and it was that test that contaminated Sherman's?
    They were both going to appeal on the grounds that you couldn't prove which player tested positive, but the risk was that they turned around and banned both, so at least this way we keep Sherman?

    Just postulating, of course.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:59 am
  • MTS, its apparent that you only heard or saw the initial claim that Sherman was stating he drank from a teammate's bottle. Sherman denied that there was any truth to that, which you can see here:

    "Curtis Crabtree of Pro Football Talk reports that Sherman has denied the facts of the USA Today story in a series of texts."
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html

    The only other thing Sherman has said is that he isn't worried, that he didn't ingest Adderall and that this would be cleared up. Now if you choose to believe he is lying about that, that is your prerogative. But you are incorrect in your statement that he's changed his story.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:00 am
  • MTS wrote:
    Yes. It would make me happy.

    I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.



    Haha, at least you told the truth! Although, I wouldn't be very impressed with myself if those were my morals!


    Ram fan? IP says Missouri. Honestly, its adderol, or at the worst steroids. I wont lose any sleep at night if every single player in the NFL is using it.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:01 am
  • MTS wrote:
    Evil_Shenanigans wrote:The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.



    Fact: Sherman tested positive for Adderall
    Fact: It was reported that he stated that he drank from a water bottle
    Fact: Sherman now denies this story
    Fact: Sherman now says it was due to a broken container (obviously laced with adderall, the drug that Brandon Browner among others got caught with and didn't deny).
    Fact: Brandon Browner got caught with the exact same substance.
    Fact: It is nearly impossible for a container to break and then be replaced with another that somehow was magically laced with Adderall.


    You believe things are fact when they lack the substance for factual statements. Once again, you have been duped.

    Sherman denied the bogus story immediately, not "just now."
    It doesn't sound like Sherman is denying a positive test, but that the chain was broken.
    You are the only one claiming the second container was laced. The fact that it was used with a broken seal is the problem. The posibility of contamination is enough to throw out the results.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:02 am
  • Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

    I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

    And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

    He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:05 am
  • Haha, rams fan? Really? hahah no way. I actually am a Seahawks fan and I am also a Chiefs fan. I went to STL to root AGAINST the rams when the hawks where there this year, just fyi.

    I am not denying that they can throw out the test if it was in fact tampered with or broken. I am just bothered by the fact that he actually took the drug (which it showed that he did and I am pretty trusting of the procedure).


    And again, if Sherman or Browner (as he admits to cheating, right?) weren't getting anything positive from taking the substance...then why take it? Hmm.....
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:07 am
  • bestfightstory wrote:I have a hard time believing him because:

    A). He has a lot to lose.
    B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
    C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
    D). I have administered these tests.
    Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
    His story is laughable.

    Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

    I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.


    Yes but if the bottle was faulty in the Navy where I took countless tests over 11yrs they would have dumped that sample and had me drink a bunch of water/coffee and re test with a new bottle. Any fault in the specimen cup invalidates the test, that's why you have to have positive control of the bottle from the time you grab it and inspect it until the tamper seal is placed on it, in the Navy now they even had us tip the bottle upside down on a "chem wipe" to make sure there were no leaks or anything. I have a hard time believing that the NFL sample takers are that careful about things. The test itself is uniform and fail safe yes, but if there is any discrepancy in the actual taking of the sample then the test is invalid. The NFL sample taker should have had Sherman immediately retest with a new specimen cup.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:08 am
  • I want to thank you MTS before I can no longer see your posts for taking less than twenty to prove that you deserve to be on my ignore list. See how I gave you the benefit of the doubt?


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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:08 am
  • MTS wrote:Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

    I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

    And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

    He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.


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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:08 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:
    MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    Yes. It would make me happy.

    I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.

    MTS, I am all for morality. I believe totally in what you're saying. We shouldn't be happy that someone cheated and got away with it. Which brings me to.....

    Super Bowl XL.

    The Testeverde helmet is a football.

    Super Bowl XL.

    The Ravens have an extra timeout.

    Super Bowl XL.

    Lame scheduling that gives every other team, every year, unfair advantages that Seattle Seahawks annually have to overcome, but which NEVER puts the Hawks in an advantageous position.

    Super Bowl XL.

    Sorry, but after all the times the Hawks have been cheated, well, to quote Clark Gable

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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:09 am
  • See ya! Thanks for reading.

    Now, off of personal attacks. Another thing that we aren't sure of (since that is the route we are taking), there hasn't been ANY proof by anyone that what Sherman is claiming is even true regarding the bottle. He just stated it...so now can they prove it?
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:14 am
  • kmedic wrote:Sherman never said he didn't take Adderall or any other PED. All he said was that the truth would come out and that he would be ok. Besides, it is illegal for any NFL employee or player to comment on a pending suspension appeal.

    The defense here reminds me a lot of Ryan Braun a couple years ago. Positive for steroids, but sample tampered with (protocol not followed), therefore results thrown out.

    This could work. If Sherman can subpeona the test taker and he admits to using a broken cup then I don't see how the results hold up.


    This exactly, I couldn't remember who it was in MLB that got their positive test thrown out though. Any inconsistency or fault in the sample gathering process invalidates the test.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:15 am
  • SalishHawkFan wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:
    MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    Yes. It would make me happy.

    I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.

    MTS, I am all for morality. I believe totally in what you're saying. We shouldn't be happy that someone cheated and got away with it. Which brings me to.....

    Super Bowl XL.




    The Testeverde helmet is a football.

    Super Bowl XL.

    The Ravens have an extra timeout.

    Super Bowl XL.

    Lame scheduling that gives every other team, every year, unfair advantages that Seattle Seahawks annually have to overcome, but which NEVER puts the Hawks in an advantageous position.

    Super Bowl XL.

    Sorry, but after all the times the Hawks have been cheated, well, to quote Clark Gable

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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:15 am
  • bestfightstory wrote:I have a hard time believing him because:

    A). He has a lot to lose.
    B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
    C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
    D). I have administered these tests.
    Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
    His story is laughable.

    Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

    I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.



    Ya I tend to agree.

    Even if it is true (cup seal broken). So he saw this happen and didn't say anything? If you knew you were not breaking any rules (PEDs), wouldn't you not want it to touch a broken seal cup in case it was contaminated?

    It seems to me the only person who would not say something would be someone who knew they were positive at the time and knew they could use the mistake as a cop out later.

    I'm not fully understanding though. By having a broken seal, are they saying that he tested positive only because it had remnants of someone else piss? Or is it purely a technicality, he is positive for PEDs, but since they didn't follow the steps perfectly he gets away with it?
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:15 am
  • MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    We're not here to discuss the morality of whether or not it's right or wrong if a NFL player gets away with cheating. We're here to discuss if our starting CB Richard Sherman can win his appeal so that he can freaking play in the playoffs. Obviously, you are not a Hawks fan....

    If you want to talk about whether cheating is right or wrong then send a letter to Roger Goodell or go to church today. Either way, I suggest you take your banter elsewhere. It's pointless in this thread.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:16 am
  • Can they re-test him if he can prove the sample was "tampered with"? I don't know how long adderall lasts in your system.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:16 am
  • MTS wrote:See ya! Thanks for reading.

    Now, off of personal attacks. Another thing that we aren't sure of (since that is the route we are taking), there hasn't been ANY proof by anyone that what Sherman is claiming is even true regarding the bottle. He just stated it...so now can they prove it?


    Sherman commented to Local Radio that the water bottle thing wasn't true. That he wasn't using that as his defense and that "the substance I tested positive for has never been in my body." So keep bringing up a false report by a 3rd hand source that was debunked the day after it was reported.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:17 am
  • kmedic wrote:
    MTS wrote:Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

    should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

    sigh...


    We're not here to discuss the morality of whether or not it's right or wrong if a NFL player gets away with cheating. We're here to discuss if our starting CB Richard Sherman can win his appeal so that he can freaking play in the playoffs. Obviously, you are not a Hawks fan....

    If you want to talk about whether cheating is right or wrong then send a letter to Roger Goodell or go to church today. Either way, I suggest you take your banter elsewhere. It's pointless in this thread.



    Obviously I'm not a Hawks fan because I want a cheater to take the punishment he deserves? Man, marketing is really kicking your @$$ huh?
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:18 am
  • MTS wrote:Can they re-test him if he can prove the sample was "tampered with"? I don't know how long adderall lasts in your system.


    Any amphetamine which is what the positive result was, which is what adderall is, lasts a few days at most in your system. Its a very quickly metabolized substance.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:18 am
  • seahawksflow wrote:
    bestfightstory wrote:I have a hard time believing him because:

    A). He has a lot to lose.
    B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
    C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
    D). I have administered these tests.
    Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
    His story is laughable.

    Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

    I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.



    Ya I tend to agree.

    Even if it is true (cup seal broken). So he saw this happen and didn't say anything? If you knew you were not breaking any rules (PEDs), wouldn't you not want it to touch a broken seal cup in case it was contaminated?

    It seems to me the only person who would not say something would be someone who knew they were positive at the time and knew they could use the mistake as a cop out later.

    I'm not fully understanding though. By having a broken seal, are they saying that he tested positive only because it had remnants of someone else piss? Or is it purely a technicality, he is positive for PEDs, but since they didn't follow the steps perfectly he gets away with it?


    He gets off on a technicality. As I mentioned before, this reminds me a lot of the whole Ryan Braun deal. He was clearly positive, but got off because protocol was broken.

    And for those wondering whether I care or not if he was actually positive? NO. :177692:
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:18 am
  • Sherman commented to Local Radio that the water bottle thing wasn't true. That he wasn't using that as his defense and that "the substance I tested positive for has never been in my body." So keep bringing up a false report by a 3rd hand source that was debunked the day after it was reported.[/quote]

    When I said "bottle" I meant the bottle he urinated in that magically broke and caused them to use an adderall-laced bottle. I already stated that I have heard/understood that he has denied the water-bottle drinking "claim" that someone obviously made up to write the news without any cause or purpose.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:22 am
  • MTS wrote:See ya! Thanks for reading.

    Now, off of personal attacks. Another thing that we aren't sure of (since that is the route we are taking), there hasn't been ANY proof by anyone that what Sherman is claiming is even true regarding the bottle. He just stated it...so now can they prove it?


    The NFL will (or has) talk to the person that administered the test. That person has nothing to hide, it's not like they'll get fired for it. We haven't heard anything about that because they aren't allowed to comment on it.

    I read somewhere that Sherman has been tested before and after the testing in question took place. Haven't heard anything about him testing positive in those cases.

    And to the OP that asked about hair samples. I believe Adderall is like alcohol, it only stays in your system for something like 24 hours. I don't believe it would show up in a hair sample.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:23 am
  • Navyhawkfan187 wrote:
    MTS wrote:Can they re-test him if he can prove the sample was "tampered with"? I don't know how long adderall lasts in your system.


    Any amphetamine which is what the positive result was, which is what adderall is, lasts a few days at most in your system. Its a very quickly metabolized substance.



    What about things that Adderall has been used to cover up? (Not saying this is the case). How long do some of those last in the system?


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    bestfightstory wrote:I have a hard time believing him because:

    A). He has a lot to lose.
    B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
    C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
    D). I have administered these tests.
    Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
    His story is laughable.

    Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

    I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.



    Ya I tend to agree.

    Even if it is true (cup seal broken). So he saw this happen and didn't say anything? If you knew you were not breaking any rules (PEDs), wouldn't you not want it to touch a broken seal cup in case it was contaminated?

    It seems to me the only person who would not say something would be someone who knew they were positive at the time and knew they could use the mistake as a cop out later.

    I'm not fully understanding though. By having a broken seal, are they saying that he tested positive only because it had remnants of someone else piss? Or is it purely a technicality, he is positive for PEDs, but since they didn't follow the steps perfectly he gets away with it?


    He gets off on a technicality. As I mentioned before, this reminds me a lot of the whole Ryan Braun deal. He was clearly positive, but got off because protocol was broken.



    Thanks for the clarification.
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:24 am
  • Another issue...

    When they give urinalysis tests (I have done in the past for employment), the test-giver has to sign off that they not only inspected the bottle and that it was unbroken seal, they made me sign off on it, too.

    One thing that makes me wonder:

    If this bottle had broken and he knew it, why did Sherman wait alllll the way until now to appeal it instead of requesting that a new sample be taken on the spot? I don't know...maybe he wanted to wait because he knew the second test would be dirty too?

    Because you know, he could have requested to take the sample again to be sure that something like this didnt happen.

    But of course, what do I know? I am an idiot non-Seahawks fan that just hates Sherman from San Francisco with no education and I am just trolling.
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:26 am
  • Hair test would be meaningless for any amphetamine.

    Honestly the more I hear about all this the more I think the NFL has a lame testing system. Cycling takes multiple samples, and keeps the others on ice until appeals are resolved. The simple fact they don't have a second sample to go to is just mind boggling. It's also very questionable that the sample was placed in another vessel, as no hands or anything should come in contact with the fluid... if a guy took the sample, was handling it, getting urine on his hands, then the sweat and anything else from his hands is getting into the sample, too, even while he's putting the sample in another cup. It's tainted, pure and simple.

    I've stated before and again that a good outcome from this would be that Sherman gets off, and the NFL restructures and improves their testing to bring it in line with other world class sports...
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:28 am
  • BocciHawk wrote:Hair test would be meaningless for any amphetamine.

    Honestly the more I hear about all this the more I think the NFL has a lame testing system. Cycling takes multiple samples, and keeps the others on ice until appeals are resolved. The simple fact they don't have a second sample to go to is just mind boggling. It's also very questionable that the sample was placed in another vessel, as no hands or anything should come in contact with the fluid... if a guy took the sample, was handling it, getting urine on his hands, then the sweat and anything else from his hands is getting into the sample, too, even while he's putting the sample in another cup. It's tainted, pure and simple.

    I've stated before and again that a good outcome from this would be that Sherman gets off, and the NFL restructures and improves their testing to bring it in line with other world class sports...



    Sherman should have complained about the faulty testing and took the sample again on the spot....

    Or would he have no excuse for later then?
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:33 am
  • As far as requesting for them to take another sample, two possibilities immediately come to mind. First, these guys get tested all the time, he might very well have thought nothing of it, just a random glitch, move on. It's just not something that immediately jumps to mind as a protest type deal for many people.

    (Side comment -- I won't go through the "naked" body scanners, I don't think they are safe, and when I opt out I often get crap from the security people saying "you know, everyone goes through them, it's not a big deal" yadda yadda. I do think that a lot of people just have the next step in mind and aren't terribly concerned about little weird glitches or things they are expected to deal with and move on from. I'm sure Sherman doesn't enjoy peeing in a cup, and he probably thought it was funny that the guy ended up with piss on his hands because of a leaky cup, and never remotely thought that the right response was to say "wait, I want to give another sample" drink water and wait 20 minutes and all that crap. He probably had better things to do.)

    More to the point, second possibility, I bet the NFL doesn't allow people to give second samples. Some drugs particularly amphetamines can be flushed by water and vitamin C. If you allow second samples, imagine how that works... guy knows he's going to pee hot, so he accidentally cracks the plastic cup while peeing in it, lets the handler figure that out, says he'll give a second sample in 30 minutes, goes over and drinks a quart of water, tries to find and take three or four vitamin C tablets too, and pretends he can't pee, drinks another quart of water, waits another 30 minutes... he might have just reduced his odds of peeing hot from 100% to 30%.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:33 am
  • MTS wrote:Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

    I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

    And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

    He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.


    I doubt you would care about Shermans tribulations if the Hawks were 5-7 at this point in the season. Yet, here you are bright and early this Sunday morning on a opposing teams fan forum to vehemently enlighten us on your stance on the matter. Kick-offs not till 5:30. Go for a jog, go to church, watch the early games, read a book. Whatever!!! I'm sure you could find a million other things to do that wouldn't make you look like a troll. Our Hawks are relevant and a threat to your team. That's the only reason you are here. Maybe YOU should...

    MTS wrote:And somehow I am from San Fran? Good god, dumb@ss. Get real and get a life. Sherman isn't your dad, brother, or son. You have no real connection to this random dude. Im sorry I stated my opinion that makes a lot of sense to a lot of other people outside of die-hard obsessed Seahawks fans (even some of you agree).

    SMH. Pathetic.


    When you contradict yourself and bash others for investing so much time in a player, but then spend a fair amount of time trying to convince us that we are lost with our thoughts, it makes you look silly.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:36 am
  • MTS wrote:
    Evil_Shenanigans wrote:The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.



    Fact: Sherman tested positive for Adderall
    Fact: It was reported that he stated that he drank from a water bottle
    Fact: Sherman now denies this story
    Fact: Sherman now says it was due to a broken container (obviously laced with adderall, the drug that Brandon Browner among others got caught with and didn't deny).
    Fact: Brandon Browner got caught with the exact same substance.
    Fact: It is nearly impossible for a container to break and then be replaced with another that somehow was magically laced with Adderall.


    Just because you call something a fact does not make it one. Every instance you stated is either alleged or hearsay.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:36 am
  • I have heard that this can be found to be in the body pretty easily even if a second test is needed, along with HGH and other items, mmj.

    So I don't know why the NFL would disallow this. I am assuming we will hear more when the appeal goes on. All I really hope, is that if he did cheat, he pays the price. I think thats fair.

    Or, the NFL should simply say "hey! you are getting paid millions, take whatever drugs/steroids you want and get really big and bad, more action!"

    If every player wants to cheat and get big, just let 'em get big. I couldn't care less as long as it is a level playing field for everyone.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:39 am
  • MTS wrote:
    BocciHawk wrote:Hair test would be meaningless for any amphetamine.

    Honestly the more I hear about all this the more I think the NFL has a lame testing system. Cycling takes multiple samples, and keeps the others on ice until appeals are resolved. The simple fact they don't have a second sample to go to is just mind boggling. It's also very questionable that the sample was placed in another vessel, as no hands or anything should come in contact with the fluid... if a guy took the sample, was handling it, getting urine on his hands, then the sweat and anything else from his hands is getting into the sample, too, even while he's putting the sample in another cup. It's tainted, pure and simple.

    I've stated before and again that a good outcome from this would be that Sherman gets off, and the NFL restructures and improves their testing to bring it in line with other world class sports...



    Sherman should have complained about the faulty testing and took the sample again on the spot....

    Or would he have no excuse for later then?


    MTS, you are trolling or have poor reading comprehension.

    In cycling, when you piss test, they give you two or three cups. You pee a little, then pee into the first cup, then pee into the second cup, and if it's a particular class of event, you pee into a third cup. You also give a blood test, and they do the same thing, they fill two or three vials. The first sample of each are tested immediately. The remaining samples are stored cold and only destroyed if the initial tests are negative OR if the initial tests are positive and all appeals have been exhausted.

    The NFL should do the same thing. It's ridiculous that they are using a single sample, and presumably someone making $12 an hour to handle the sample and make sure that the individual really is peeing into the cup aka "meat gazer".

    This $12 per hour person may not be capable of intelligently deciding when someone should resample or not, and as I stated in my earlier post, and is obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a minute, taking a second sample may in fact be a cheating type tactic in and of itself.

    The whole idea of the testing regime that the NFL uses is that the annual test is supposed to be a surprise. You walk into the locker room, and they tell five guys "piss test, now" and they have to do it. If you let them have time to drink water and sit around, possibly with only some minor amount of supervision, you are just asking for the second sample to come out different than the first...
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:39 am
  • Mistashoesta wrote:
    MTS wrote:Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

    I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

    And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

    He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.


    I doubt you would care about Shermans tribulations if the Hawks were 5-7 at this point in the season. Yet, here you are bright and early this Sunday morning on a opposing teams fan forum to vehemently enlighten us on your stance on the matter. Kick-offs not till 5:30. Go for a jog, go to church, watch the early games, read a book. Whatever!!! I'm sure you could find a million other things to do that wouldn't make you look like a troll. Our Hawks are relevant and a threat to your team. That's the only reason you are here. Maybe YOU should...

    MTS wrote:And somehow I am from San Fran? Good god, dumb@ss. Get real and get a life. Sherman isn't your dad, brother, or son. You have no real connection to this random dude. Im sorry I stated my opinion that makes a lot of sense to a lot of other people outside of die-hard obsessed Seahawks fans (even some of you agree).

    SMH. Pathetic.


    When you contradict yourself and bash others for investing so much time in a player, but then spend a fair amount of time trying to convince us that we are lost with our thoughts, it makes you look silly.



    Bright and early? For you, maybe. Its 12:30PM here (in Missouri). Contradict myself? Hardly. Would I care if the Seahawks are 5-7? I don't know. I still support the chiefs and they currently have 2 wins, what do you think?

    Thanks for adding to the conversation and being completely off topic, though! Your insight has been great!
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:41 am
  • BocciHawk wrote:
    The whole idea of the testing regime that the NFL uses is that the annual test is supposed to be a surprise. You walk into the locker room, and they tell five guys "piss test, now" and they have to do it. If you let them have time to drink water and sit around, possibly with only some minor amount of supervision, you are just asking for the second sample to come out different than the first...



    You do realize, you went back like 3 pages to quote that, right? You didn't post what you re-quoted of yourself until pages later and I responded directly underneath.
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Re: Update on sherman
Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:45 am
  • MTS wrote:I have heard that this can be found to be in the body pretty easily even if a second test is needed, along with HGH and other items, mmj.


    I'm sorry, this is just totally wrong. Do some research.

    Amphetamines are water soluble. They flush quickly. Even without special efforts, if you are talking about someone taking Adderall on a Thursday night for a test Friday, they will pee clean Sunday. If you drink extra water and take vitamin C, drink coffee to produce extra urine, you might be able to be clean in 12 hours, certainly 24.

    THC is fat soluble. Same with LSD and many other psychoactives. It can stay stored in body fat for long periods of time, even years for chronic users. It's difficult to flush. Most tests will not detect it after a few weeks, because they aren't sensitive enough, but some tests (like human hair) can pick it up for years, if they are done properly with expensive modern equipment.

    BTW, if your comment was correct, you'd think the answer would be super simple -- just test Sherman now. If he's clean, he was clean, and if he's dirty, then he was probably dirty then too. The NFL isn't doing that and Sherman isn't suggesting that, so you can tell from the behavior that this isn't a workable situation. Frankly, it would be cool if it was! You'd just have people give one sample, if it was hot, bring them in a few days or a week later, make them retest, and that would be the "appeal"...
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  • My question is I read where they took these tests early or in pre season, if i'm wrong please correct me, but why did they wait till now to start putting out results and suspending. Not just us but look across the whole league, if this was a virus they would call it a epidemic. Almost all these suspensions and claims happened in a three week period.
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Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:48 am
  • MTS wrote:
    BocciHawk wrote:
    The whole idea of the testing regime that the NFL uses is that the annual test is supposed to be a surprise. You walk into the locker room, and they tell five guys "piss test, now" and they have to do it. If you let them have time to drink water and sit around, possibly with only some minor amount of supervision, you are just asking for the second sample to come out different than the first...



    You do realize, you went back like 3 pages to quote that, right? You didn't post what you re-quoted of yourself until pages later and I responded directly underneath.


    What? I never quoted myself, or went back three pages... I'm writing, you know, from personal knowledge, opinion, etc.

    When I quoted you, it was a comment made very recently... and my comment on it was totally off the cuff.

    Step away from the crack pipe... oh, and by the way, crack is water soluble, so if you stop smoking now, you'll probably be clean by Tuesday.
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