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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:23 am 
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Unless any of you doubters were in the room holding his hog then you have no basis for calling him a liar.


Oh really? What if he played for the SF 49ers? What would your story be then?

You do know... if his new story was the truth and he is innocent, this would have been the story he told from the very beginning. But, was it? No... hmmm what do your critical-analysis abilities tell you?


He's never told his "story" or reasoning, only comment he's made is that he's not worried and that he's innocent. And what does it matter if he's a 9er or not the facts that we do know are that he's failed the test and that he'd denying it. None of us know anything, so it makes no sense to call him a liar yet.

Any other comment about the case has come from anonymous sources, and he's already denied those.


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How do you know he is lying? Maybe he is telling the truth, so much for innocent until proven guilty. I am willing to see how things play out before I shape my views on the matter.[/quote]


I justify my thoughts like this:

If I am someone who is known to be a good athlete (or whatever) and I am accused of cheating, but I was actually innocent, and I knew the reason why something showed I cheated, I would say that straight up and out front as my defense.

In this case:

Sherman now states this container (which probably had a 99.9999999% chance of NOT containing adderall anyway) was the cause of the positive test because his container "broke".

Okay, if that was the absolute first story he told, I would be willing to give due process.

But the first story he told was "well I drank from a dirty water bottle and didnt know it".

Why would he tell that story first?

If you really believe he is innocent, you are a very clueless or very biased individual.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... for-friday

"Sherman says he unknowingly drank from a teammate's contaminated bottle".

Come on, now. It cant get much more obvious.


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 Post subject: Sherman's Real Defense per Schefter
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I don't know how many of you watched NFL Countdown, but Schefter said this is said to be his defense.


When they took his sample, the cup was leaking. So the person grabbed another cup to catch any urine that was leaking, but the second cup that he grabbed had a broken seal on it, which could mean it was contaminated.

Sherman has a shot to beat this, brehs.


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I have a hard time believing him because:

A). He has a lot to lose.
B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
D). I have administered these tests.
Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
His story is laughable.

Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.

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I'm curious as to what the standard of review is for appeals...whether it's just a preponderance of evidence or whether it's steeper. Does anyone know?


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HE DENIED "THE ACCIDENTALLY DRANK THE DIRTY WATER BOTTLE" STORY ALREADY PEOPLE


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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How do you know he is lying? Maybe he is telling the truth, so much for innocent until proven guilty. I am willing to see how things play out before I shape my views on the matter.



I justify my thoughts like this:

If I am someone who is known to be a good athlete (or whatever) and I am accused of cheating, but I was actually innocent, and I knew the reason why something showed I cheated, I would say that straight up and out front as my defense.

In this case:

Sherman now states this container (which probably had a 99.9999999% chance of NOT containing adderall anyway) was the cause of the positive test because his container "broke".

Okay, if that was the absolute first story he told, I would be willing to give due process.

But the first story he told was "well I drank from a dirty water bottle and didnt know it".

Why would he tell that story first?

If you really believe he is innocent, you are a very clueless or very biased individual.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... for-friday

"Sherman says he unknowingly drank from a teammate's contaminated bottle".

Come on, now. It cant get much more obvious.[/quote]

He never told the first story. Quit being a hater

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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So the writer of that story just made that up for fun or did Sherman change his mind?


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman's Real Defense per Schefter
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If this is true the collection was done wrong.

They should have discarded the cups and made him repee.

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How do you know he is lying? Maybe he is telling the truth, so much for innocent until proven guilty. I am willing to see how things play out before I shape my views on the matter.



I justify my thoughts like this:

If I am someone who is known to be a good athlete (or whatever) and I am accused of cheating, but I was actually innocent, and I knew the reason why something showed I cheated, I would say that straight up and out front as my defense.

In this case:

Sherman now states this container (which probably had a 99.9999999% chance of NOT containing adderall anyway) was the cause of the positive test because his container "broke".

Okay, if that was the absolute first story he told, I would be willing to give due process.

But the first story he told was "well I drank from a dirty water bottle and didnt know it".

Why would he tell that story first?

If you really believe he is innocent, you are a very clueless or very biased individual.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... for-friday

"Sherman says he unknowingly drank from a teammate's contaminated bottle".

Come on, now. It cant get much more obvious.[/quote]

The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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So the writer of that story just made that up for fun or did Sherman change his mind?



Why would you run your mouth without knowing all that there was to the story? You hate liars, but easily believe lies. I can see where your hatred comes from if you are that easily duped.

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The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.[/quote]

Yes, the writer of the story really loved making that part up! :)

Next, you act like this is a case where someone robbed someone else. What does the NFL get for suspending a player that makes them a lot of money? :snack:

Finally, do you have ANY idea how unlikely/improbable it is for the broken cup or the new cup was to be LACED with adderall...what a nice coincidence, seeing as how Browner was caught with Adderall, too.

Man! It all points to his innocence!


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman's Real Defense per Schefter
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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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Can you provide a link?

he denied the story on twitter, best i could find

https://twitter.com/Curtis_Crabtree/sta ... 1185750016


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.


Yes, the writer of the story really loved making that part up! :)

Next, you act like this is a case where someone robbed someone else. What does the NFL get for suspending a player that makes them a lot of money? :snack:

Finally, do you have ANY idea how unlikely/improbable it is for the broken cup or the new cup was to be LACED with adderall...what a nice coincidence, seeing as how Browner was caught with Adderall, too.

Man! It all points to his innocence!
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It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco

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Chain of custody is what he is hanging his hat on and the specimen collector aka the meat gazer should have had him piss again.

I have done several urinalysis' as a collector and if chain of custody is compromised the results are worthless. Even if we handlers broke the seal, we throw away the sample and have the soldier resubmit.

I agree that the results are prolly accurate but if they were that clumsy during the collection, what the heck happens after the piss is out of sight?

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The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.


Yes, the writer of the story really loved making that part up! :)

Next, you act like this is a case where someone robbed someone else. What does the NFL get for suspending a player that makes them a lot of money? :snack:

Finally, do you have ANY idea how unlikely/improbable it is for the broken cup or the new cup was to be LACED with adderall...what a nice coincidence, seeing as how Browner was caught with Adderall, too.

Man! It all points to his innocence!
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I'm gonna love the hatred even more when Seattle wins it all with Sherman playing a big part in the winning.


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It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco[/quote]

I don't know about San Francisco, I have actually never even been there before. I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way. They just make millions why you cheer them on like little girls and could easily play for a different team next year without sadness) and anyone (even supporters of your team) that make comments that may be negative towards one of your little babies, "OH! You are a TROLL! You are an idiot! I hate you! Don't talk bad about my family! Whaaa!!!"

And somehow I am from San Fran? Good god, dumb@ss. Get real and get a life. Sherman isn't your dad, brother, or son. You have no real connection to this random dude. Im sorry I stated my opinion that makes a lot of sense to a lot of other people outside of die-hard obsessed Seahawks fans (even some of you agree).

SMH. Pathetic.


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i wonder with all the money the NFL has, why are they peeing in a cup? Cut off one of the dreads, thats what my company does


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People please get your quotes right! I'm thoroughly confused with comments not being quoted as intended, being attributed to the wrong poster, etc.

Sherman has nothing to gain by going public with his case now. Coaches are coy with injuries because they don't want to give away anything to their opponents (even if it's a miniscule advantage), the same logic applies to Sherman. There's nothing to gain by disclosing details to the media, and there's potential for loss. I'd be shocked if Sherman's lawyer(s) hadn't told him to keep quiet about the appeal.

Also, changing his story? From your link

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported last month that Sherman told friends he didn't know he was ingesting Adderall when he drank from a teammate's bottle.

So, Rapoport, at best, heard it from a friend of Sherman. That's not anything filed with the league to contest the case, nothing made to a media member, just a rumor that someone says came from a friend of Sherman. The source could be a fake, could've misheard or misunderstood, the writer could've misunderstood the source, Sherman could be bs'ing this friend because he knows the friend can't keep quiet. The point is not that any one of these is right, but that any one of these could occur and for that reason, yes, I believe Sherman when he says that story is not his defense... that's not the same as believing Sherman is innocent of the PED use, btw.

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I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.


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It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco

I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.[/quote]

No, what is states is that I am a fan, but a fan that understand how it all works. Its a money making entertainment machine. Thats all fine and well, but when you get super-pathetically obsessed to the point where you are arguing people on forums, calling them names because they state an opinion about a random player and get offended, you need help (and a life).


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It was a new cup numbnuts. Seal was broken. They must not have schools in San Francisco

I love sports-forum fans, no matter how much something doesn't make sense or seems unlikely you are out to defend your players (that have no connection to you, by the way).


This comment clearly states your not a fan of the Hawks or any team. You've popped in to troll and troll only.


No, what is states is that I am a fan, but a fan that understand how it all works. Its a money making entertainment machine. Thats all fine and well, but when you get super-pathetically obsessed to the point where you are arguing people on forums, calling them names because they state an opinion about a random player and get offended, you need help (and a life).[/quote]


Looks like forums are not the place for you if you cannot handle it.

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Sherman never said he didn't take Adderall or any other PED. All he said was that the truth would come out and that he would be ok. Besides, it is illegal for any NFL employee or player to comment on a pending suspension appeal.

The defense here reminds me a lot of Ryan Braun a couple years ago. Positive for steroids, but sample tampered with (protocol not followed), therefore results thrown out.

This could work. If Sherman can subpeona the test taker and he admits to using a broken cup then I don't see how the results hold up.


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The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.

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Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

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Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

sigh...


Yes. It would make me happy.

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The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.



Fact: Sherman tested positive for Adderall
Fact: It was reported that he stated that he drank from a water bottle
Fact: Sherman now denies this story
Fact: Sherman now says it was due to a broken container (obviously laced with adderall, the drug that Brandon Browner among others got caught with and didn't deny).
Fact: Brandon Browner got caught with the exact same substance.
Fact: It is nearly impossible for a container to break and then be replaced with another that somehow was magically laced with Adderall.


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I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.



Haha, at least you told the truth! Although, I wouldn't be very impressed with myself if those were my morals!


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Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

sigh...


Yes it should. I'd much rather live in a world where someone must prove their allegation against you before punishing you, rather than punishing you off a suspicion. It unavoidably ends with "guilty" parties walking, but this process also prevents gross injustices (see Bountygate).

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The story you linked has been denied by Sherman so you can throw that trash away.

In an ongoing case why would he talk about his defenses and give the opposition a heads up?

You are either very clueless or a very biased individual.


Yes, the writer of the story really loved making that part up! :)

Next, you act like this is a case where someone robbed someone else. What does the NFL get for suspending a player that makes them a lot of money? :snack:

Finally, do you have ANY idea how unlikely/improbable it is for the broken cup or the new cup was to be LACED with adderall...what a nice coincidence, seeing as how Browner was caught with Adderall, too.

Man! It all points to his innocence!
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Maybe just maybe Browner actually did test positive for Adderall, and it was that test that contaminated Sherman's?
They were both going to appeal on the grounds that you couldn't prove which player tested positive, but the risk was that they turned around and banned both, so at least this way we keep Sherman?

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MTS, its apparent that you only heard or saw the initial claim that Sherman was stating he drank from a teammate's bottle. Sherman denied that there was any truth to that, which you can see here:

"Curtis Crabtree of Pro Football Talk reports that Sherman has denied the facts of the USA Today story in a series of texts."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html

The only other thing Sherman has said is that he isn't worried, that he didn't ingest Adderall and that this would be cleared up. Now if you choose to believe he is lying about that, that is your prerogative. But you are incorrect in your statement that he's changed his story.

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I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.



Haha, at least you told the truth! Although, I wouldn't be very impressed with myself if those were my morals!


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The complete absence of any facts or data here are leading to quite a lot of petty bickering. Every argument hear has been based on hearsay. Did he do it? I suspect that he did. Will he be suspended? I suspect so.



Fact: Sherman tested positive for Adderall
Fact: It was reported that he stated that he drank from a water bottle
Fact: Sherman now denies this story
Fact: Sherman now says it was due to a broken container (obviously laced with adderall, the drug that Brandon Browner among others got caught with and didn't deny).
Fact: Brandon Browner got caught with the exact same substance.
Fact: It is nearly impossible for a container to break and then be replaced with another that somehow was magically laced with Adderall.


You believe things are fact when they lack the substance for factual statements. Once again, you have been duped.

Sherman denied the bogus story immediately, not "just now."
It doesn't sound like Sherman is denying a positive test, but that the chain was broken.
You are the only one claiming the second container was laced. The fact that it was used with a broken seal is the problem. The posibility of contamination is enough to throw out the results.

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:02 am 
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Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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Haha, rams fan? Really? hahah no way. I actually am a Seahawks fan and I am also a Chiefs fan. I went to STL to root AGAINST the rams when the hawks where there this year, just fyi.

I am not denying that they can throw out the test if it was in fact tampered with or broken. I am just bothered by the fact that he actually took the drug (which it showed that he did and I am pretty trusting of the procedure).


And again, if Sherman or Browner (as he admits to cheating, right?) weren't getting anything positive from taking the substance...then why take it? Hmm.....


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:07 am 
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I have a hard time believing him because:

A). He has a lot to lose.
B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
D). I have administered these tests.
Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
His story is laughable.

Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.


Yes but if the bottle was faulty in the Navy where I took countless tests over 11yrs they would have dumped that sample and had me drink a bunch of water/coffee and re test with a new bottle. Any fault in the specimen cup invalidates the test, that's why you have to have positive control of the bottle from the time you grab it and inspect it until the tamper seal is placed on it, in the Navy now they even had us tip the bottle upside down on a "chem wipe" to make sure there were no leaks or anything. I have a hard time believing that the NFL sample takers are that careful about things. The test itself is uniform and fail safe yes, but if there is any discrepancy in the actual taking of the sample then the test is invalid. The NFL sample taker should have had Sherman immediately retest with a new specimen cup.


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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I want to thank you MTS before I can no longer see your posts for taking less than twenty to prove that you deserve to be on my ignore list. See how I gave you the benefit of the doubt?


Okay, bye.

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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MTS wrote:
Please read throughout the thread before posting replies to early replies.

I admit that I did not know that he denied the initial story. I saw the proof that he is denying that story.

And for those of you who are saying "innocent until proven guilty"...Im sorry, but hasn't he already been proven guilty?

He tested positive for Adderall, period. He is guilty, now he must prove his innocence. Notice: this is an "appeal" not a trial.


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

sigh...


Yes. It would make me happy.

I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.

MTS, I am all for morality. I believe totally in what you're saying. We shouldn't be happy that someone cheated and got away with it. Which brings me to.....

Super Bowl XL.

The Testeverde helmet is a football.

Super Bowl XL.

The Ravens have an extra timeout.

Super Bowl XL.

Lame scheduling that gives every other team, every year, unfair advantages that Seattle Seahawks annually have to overcome, but which NEVER puts the Hawks in an advantageous position.

Super Bowl XL.

Sorry, but after all the times the Hawks have been cheated, well, to quote Clark Gable

Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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See ya! Thanks for reading.

Now, off of personal attacks. Another thing that we aren't sure of (since that is the route we are taking), there hasn't been ANY proof by anyone that what Sherman is claiming is even true regarding the bottle. He just stated it...so now can they prove it?


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:14 am 
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Sherman never said he didn't take Adderall or any other PED. All he said was that the truth would come out and that he would be ok. Besides, it is illegal for any NFL employee or player to comment on a pending suspension appeal.

The defense here reminds me a lot of Ryan Braun a couple years ago. Positive for steroids, but sample tampered with (protocol not followed), therefore results thrown out.

This could work. If Sherman can subpeona the test taker and he admits to using a broken cup then I don't see how the results hold up.


This exactly, I couldn't remember who it was in MLB that got their positive test thrown out though. Any inconsistency or fault in the sample gathering process invalidates the test.


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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SalishHawkFan wrote:
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Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

sigh...


Yes. It would make me happy.

I'm all for morality. But i'm even more all for the Seahawks winning a Super bowl.

MTS, I am all for morality. I believe totally in what you're saying. We shouldn't be happy that someone cheated and got away with it. Which brings me to.....

Super Bowl XL.




The Testeverde helmet is a football.

Super Bowl XL.

The Ravens have an extra timeout.

Super Bowl XL.

Lame scheduling that gives every other team, every year, unfair advantages that Seattle Seahawks annually have to overcome, but which NEVER puts the Hawks in an advantageous position.

Super Bowl XL.

Sorry, but after all the times the Hawks have been cheated, well, to quote Clark Gable

Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn


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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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bestfightstory wrote:
I have a hard time believing him because:

A). He has a lot to lose.
B). Guy and Browner also tested positive.
C). I have taken these tests in the military and for the airlines and for the Govt.
D). I have administered these tests.
Re: C&D). The process by which these sample are gathered and tested is pretty relatively uniform and failsafe.
His story is laughable.

Due process Is for the justice system. I am not a part of that. I am one man's opinion. And I suspect he is full of crap (and adderall).

I hope his lawyers keep him on the field though.



Ya I tend to agree.

Even if it is true (cup seal broken). So he saw this happen and didn't say anything? If you knew you were not breaking any rules (PEDs), wouldn't you not want it to touch a broken seal cup in case it was contaminated?

It seems to me the only person who would not say something would be someone who knew they were positive at the time and knew they could use the mistake as a cop out later.

I'm not fully understanding though. By having a broken seal, are they saying that he tested positive only because it had remnants of someone else piss? Or is it purely a technicality, he is positive for PEDs, but since they didn't follow the steps perfectly he gets away with it?

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 Post subject: Re: Update on sherman
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MTS wrote:
Oh yeah, his defense will definitely work if this is the case, but the point is...

should that make you happy, that someone who cheated gets away with it? It happens all of the time, sure, but when you have the chance to catch and punish someone, you don't?

sigh...


We're not here to discuss the morality of whether or not it's right or wrong if a NFL player gets away with cheating. We're here to discuss if our starting CB Richard Sherman can win his appeal so that he can freaking play in the playoffs. Obviously, you are not a Hawks fan....

If you want to talk about whether cheating is right or wrong then send a letter to Roger Goodell or go to church today. Either way, I suggest you take your banter elsewhere. It's pointless in this thread.


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Can they re-test him if he can prove the sample was "tampered with"? I don't know how long adderall lasts in your system.


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