Simple Q. Is Wilsons season the best ever for a Seahawk QB?

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Best season for a Seahawk QB ever?

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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:I have yet to see any inkling of "Spazzlebeck" tendencies with RW. Just sayin'

    It wasn't the Hasseltoss, but RDUB nearly ended the Chicago game with a pick to Major Right. Just sayin.
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  • As far as impressive performances go, I have to give Hasselbeck's 2007 season top billing for the reasons people have stated above. He had zero run game and had the 2nd most attempts in the league that year. The team really was put on his shoulders, and he led them to the divisional round of the postseason.

    Hasselbeck's 2005 season and Wilson's 2012 season may be statistically better, but Hass had more help in '05, as does Wilson right now (and less is being asked of Wilson).

    Still, I would put Wilson's 2012 campaign as 3rd, easily, and that's a hell of an impressive thing for a 3rd round rookie to do.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:I have yet to see any inkling of "Spazzlebeck" tendencies with RW. Just sayin'

    It wasn't the Hasseltoss, but RDUB nearly ended the Chicago game with a pick to Major Right. Just sayin.


    Crap, I forgot about that one. Ehh, he rebounded well though :)

    And for the record, this comes to mind now, when he was engineering the comeback drive in Saint Louis? Before he threw the pick where Anthony McCoy slipped, I remember he threw a pass a little behind a receiver practically STRAIGHT INTO the arms of Janoris Jenkins. Remember I felt sooo lucky that wasn't picked.... Yeah.

    He's still a baller though. Go Russ.
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  • Best rookie year? Absolutely and without question but best ever is not even close.

    Different era where nearly every rookie stepping on the field is having unbelievable success. The NFL has become a QB friendly environment and the team surrounding Wilson is superior to any team Hasselbeck ever played with. I would also take this receiver core vs anyone prior.

    I think Wilson should at least be the best QB in the league and be an all pro at least once before we ignore others accomplishments and what they had to deal with to accomplish their success.

    It's not always just about stats. era's and teams that have shifted heavily in favor of the new QB's coming into the league now.

    That being said, the future looks bright for Wilson.
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  • Not to take anything away from the 2007 season - because truly we were 100% reliant on Hasselbeck.

    However, it's also worth remembering seven of our ten wins came from within the NFC West at its near worst. Arizona had eight wins, San Fran five and St. Louis three. The other three wins came against a 7-9 Bears team at home, an 8-8 Philly team on the road who was starting AJ Feeley at quarterback and a 9-7 Tampa Bay team on opening day at home.

    We were also shut out by Pittsburgh that year, lost to a 0-5 New Orleans team at home, lost to Cleveland, Carolina and a 4-12 Atlanta pre-Matt Ryan.

    I think that has to be taken into account when we compare 2005, 2007 and 2012.
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  • hass for now. russell wilson will break every seahawks qb record in the books IMO
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  • Dont get me wrong, i love Russ, but say what you will about stats and all that, Matt lead this team to a superbowl one they should of won, a place it has never been or been to since. When Russ leads us to a Superbowl, ill even consider him the best of all time for Seahawks. Because regardless of stats, thats what you play for is a superbowl and Matt got to it. Yes Matt had help, but so does Wilson now.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Not to take anything away from the 2007 season - because truly we were 100% reliant on Hasselbeck.

    However, it's also worth remembering seven of our ten wins came from within the NFC West at its near worst. Arizona had eight wins, San Fran five and St. Louis three. The other three wins came against a 7-9 Bears team at home, an 8-8 Philly team on the road who was starting AJ Feeley at quarterback and a 9-7 Tampa Bay team on opening day at home.

    We were also shut out by Pittsburgh that year, lost to a 0-5 New Orleans team at home, lost to Cleveland, Carolina and a 4-12 Atlanta pre-Matt Ryan.

    I think that has to be taken into account when we compare 2005, 2007 and 2012.


    I totally agree with your point English, but just some small corrections.

    First, there are only 6 games within the NFC west that the Hawks would play, so they cannot win 7.

    Second, we lost one to the Cardinals in Phoenix, 23-20

    Third, the non NFC-west opponents we won against were Tampa Bay, Cincinnati, Bears, Eagles, and Ravens, while we lost to the (still out of the division, so I'm not counting the Cardinals loss) Steelers, Saints, Browns, Panthers, and Falcons. Still pretty close, and yes, it looks like we were a bit overrated in 2007.

    I really do believe our quality of wins has improved so much this year. We have played one of the toughest schedules in the league, no doubt, and we still have a 9-5 record, which does not even come close to how good our team really is.
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  • hawksfan515 wrote:First, there are only 6 games within the NFC west that the Hawks would play, so they cannot win 7.

    Second, we lost one to the Cardinals in Phoenix, 23-20

    Third, the non NFC-west opponents we won against were Tampa Bay, Cincinnati, Bears, Eagles, and Ravens, while we lost to the (still out of the division, so I'm not counting the Cardinals loss) Steelers, Saints, Browns, Panthers, and Falcons. Still pretty close, and yes, it looks like we were a bit overrated in 2007.

    I really do believe our quality of wins has improved so much this year. We have played one of the toughest schedules in the league, no doubt, and we still have a 9-5 record, which does not even come close to how good our team really is.


    Of course, my error. I was acting from memory. Baltimore I think were a 4-5 win team that year too... can't remember what record Cincy had. In hindsight that 2007 was a bit frustrating. Aside from all the injuries, we were a classic 'cock tease' team. Had 10 wins on a vanilla schedule. Beat teams with crappy QB's (Feeley in Philly, Smith for Baltimore, Garcia for TB, Grossman for Chicago... whoever was starting for ARI/SF that year). If memory serves we also faced Todd Collins in the playoffs for Washington.

    And then had our arses handed to us by Favre in Green Bay when we started to believe we were onto something.

    Got to say... I much prefer this version of the Seahawks to the latter Holmgren days.
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  • If Matt had receivers with the hands of Rice, Baldwin, Tate, and Miller, then the 2005 and 2007 seasons would have been even more impressive. In 2005 it was Engram or Vicious. D-Jack was too up and down, but he was our biggest threat. So it was a hard situation. Mili was also the TE and though he had some team records, they didn't use him much. Holmgren went away from TE plays and substituted more run for 2005. In 2007 it was throw, throw, throw. Matt was deadly accurate, and had such a quick release and mindset. He just looked fast and seemed to excel in that modified hurry-up.

    So at this point... I'll go with Matt because he did more with less. Put Matt in his prime on this offense, and I think he surpasses 4000 yards.

    Russell has clearly had the most impressive rookie season. Zorn had some very fine moments, and his season in 1979 (I think) was a thing of beauty. Then the broken leg and that was that. RW reminds me so much of Zorn that it's crazy. Small guy who moves so well, throws well with any arm angle and off of either foot, and can run when needed, and hits his receivers in stride. Zorn to Largent was legendary.

    Krieg had a chance to put up some more dominant seasons with the trio of Largent, Darryl Turner, and Paul Skansi, but Turner's flameout was epic. He was on pace to break the NFL TD record if he maintained his current pace for 9 seasons I believe. He had like 35 TD's in 3 years. He was a field stretcher the likes of which the Hawks haven't seen sense (well maybe Galloway... but Turner was dang good). Then cocaine took over along with back problems, and vision problems, and that was the end. This team needs a Darryl Turner and Russ will put this argument to rest next season I think.
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  • At this point, definitely Hasselbeck. I'm a big Wilson fan, and I'd bet he's going to put up some monster seasons for us, but for now, this distinction still belongs to Hasselbeck.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:Put Matt in his prime on this offense, and I think he surpasses 4000 yards.


    I'm not totally sold on this idea. I'm not going to say Matt was a system QB, because he wasn't. But ultimately I think he suited the Holmgren offense down to a tee, which is why he was brought over from Green Bay. I always felt he needed that 'look' from Holmgren on the sideline to bring him in a little bit, to concentrate on all the little intricacies of the scheme. Although he was an ageing QB by the time Holmgren left, I thought he played worse football when the shackles were removed under Mora/Knapp and Carroll/Bates. He tried to do things he couldn't.

    One of the best Hasselbeck plays I'll remember was the touchdown to DJ Hackett vs Washington in 2007. Perfect execution of the play Holmgren designed to beat that defense. Laron Landry was playing great football that year and they put a play in for Hasselbeck to look him off, pump and then fire to Hackett. Before the ball was even caught, Hasselbeck was celebrating. He knew the plan had worked, and he executed it to perfection for the touchdown. When he was suddenly put in an offense without such fine tuning and asked to make his own decisions and force things a bit more, he became less effective. It exposed his physical weaknesses.

    And I think in this current offense we kind of need Wilson's mobility and arm. It's quick strike. In many ways Wilson is the perfect QB for the time, and Hasselbeck was the perfect QB for Holmgren at that time. I'm not sure either would do as well if the era's were reversed.
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  • Anyone dare comparing the strength of schedule in 2005, 2007 versus 2012? Just curious ...
    I remember, there was a time when the NFC West was really really weak.
    I also remember Jon Kitna having a couple of decent years in Seattle ...1999 and 2000 ... It took Matt Hasselback 2-3 years to really look like a decent QB. He was really bad after Mike brought him from Green Bay.
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  • SharkHawk wrote: Put Matt in his prime on this offense, and I think he surpasses 4000 yards.


    This offense likes about 25 passes per game, so no, he would not. And his YPA his best seasons is right there with RW.
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  • How many drops does Russ WR have this year? Hass had terrible WR core, who where regularly in the top 5 in drops.
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  • Hasselbeck in 2007 is still the best to me. His efficiency stats weren't close to his 2005 or Wilson, but he had to completely carry that team. His OL and the Hawks' rushing offense were close to the bottom of the league and Matt had to attempt 562 passes (compared to 449 in 2005 and a projected 403 for Wilson over 16 games this year) with a 34 year old Bobby Engram as his best receiver, and the team's offense was still very productive that year only because of Matt.

    As a side note, everyone saying 2007 Hasselbeck here should remember this discussion when comparing the three great rookie QBs this year. Wilson and RG3 are more 2005 Hasselbeck; Luck is more 2007 Hasselbeck. You can't rank QBs only by efficiency stats without also considering usage.
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  • i just remember hass running for his life most of the time here and still putting up numbers, not to mention our recievers would drop balls all the time.. the years he had protection, he was pro bowl material. not to mention the superbowl appearance.. so i went with Has, but i suspect RW will demolish all QB records during his career here.
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  • Guys, you're missing the point on why I felt Matt would have hit 4000. He threw plenty of passes. If half of the drops were caught, he likely would have hit that number. See what I'm saying? He had WR's that were incredibly inconsistent. If he just played the same type of game he did, then he'd get more yardage simply due to the fact that guys are actually catching balls. As for my comment on this year's offense.... he played in a similar offense in 2005. Strong RB and decent WR's. But I think this year's WR's have better hands. In Matt's prime, he put the ball on their hands constantly, and the ball wasn't caught enough. His completion percentage even with all the drops is right there with Wilson's. Those balls are caught (or even a portion of them are), his completion percentage goes up, his int's go down (as some were on tips), and his total yardage and more than likely TD's also go up. Matt's numbers skew down due to the receiving corps.
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  • Warren Moon's 1997 season was pretty bad ass. Krieg in '84. The above mentioned Hass seasons all great.

    I don't need to try to put Wilson's season in into historical context to appreciate. Best ever rookie Seahawks QB season, beating Mirer in '93 and Zorn in '76.
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  • I'd have to give it to 2007 Hasselbeck also, but Wilson will eventually have the best season.
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  • Russell Wilson hands down.

    Thanks Matt for your contributions. You can't compare Wilson's rookie year to Matt's peak year and not see the difference.
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  • I am quite frankly surprised to see Wilson losing this. I thought he would be blowout winning by some of the circle jerk comments i Have read about him.
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  • Undoubtedly Hasselbeck in 05 and 07. But I would rank Russell's rookie season pretty high up on my list ,and that's a huge accomplishment for a rookie. The dude is special..
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  • hawksfan515 wrote:I am quite frankly surprised to see Wilson losing this. I thought he would be blowout winning by some of the circle jerk comments i Have read about him.


    You would need to go back and watch Hasselbeck's prime seasons to understand I think....when he was good he was GOOD.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:Hasselbeck 2007. He carried this team when they could not run at all.


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  • JrockRichards wrote:It's getting close, but for overall excitement, it has to be DangerRuss.

    I'm excited to see how Wilson finishes the season.

    Too early to tell, but Wilson will astonish us in some way the next two weeks to make my vote a solid Wilson. (plus he has more hair)


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  • It's a tough one
    If you took away the first 5 games of the season and looked at Wilson's play over the last 9 games and extended that over the course of a season, I'd say no doubt. But those first 5 games simply weren't great.

    That said, New England, Detroit, Miami, Chicago x 2, I don't ever remember Hasselbeck driving down the field for a go-ahead TD with <5 minutes left 5 times in a single season (even if 3 of those leads were lost or tied in the end), nor do I ever remember a Hasselbeck-led team putting up 50 points in a single game, let alone 2 in a season (even if Wilson was not the major factor in the Arizona game).

    Right now I'd say it's a tie between Wilson and Hasselbeck.
    It all comes down to this weekend's game. If Wilson can post a 90+ QB rating and a win against the NFL's consensus number 1 defense (even though I still prefer ours), and lead the team to victory against the Rams, then I think it has to go to him, regardless of the playoff results
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  • RW's coming along (our "rushin" hope), but the glory still resides in Matt's hands as the data flows in.
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  • Someone who throws stats and posts at us by the hundreds now admits this?


    I'm going Russell Wilson, but mainly because I never saw Hasselbeck play as I was not a fan in the 2005 season. What about you guys?


    And here I thought you were really a Seahawks historian. So you've become an expert in just 3-4 years?

    What is it they say about "hind sight"?

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  • Hasselbeck, 2007
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  • It is Hass...no question 05 or 07 take your pick.

    Now I will bend over, put my hands on my knees and get ready to take it from every member of .net, in terms of best season..

    Rick Mirer had a better rookie season than Wilson :242735:

    1st. he was drafted to a two win team.

    2nd. He had nobody to throw to. Blades and who? (yeah, he had John L..my fave Seahawk of all time, but come on he was a FB)

    3rd. Set Rookie records for att, comp, and yards, that would that would take Mr. Manning to eclipse.

    4th. 1993 AFC west where monsters..Chefs 11 wins. Faders 10, Mr. Ed 9, SD 8...(not to mention the Bills and the Oilers at 12 wins)

    5th. Played for worst coach in team history.

    Mirer>Wilson as a rook. That being said, I'd take Wilson over Mirer for the next 432425259525545359437964764967937295734 drafts and he will make us all forget about any greatest QB discussion by this time next year.

    How frikin awesome is Wilson? Gonna be a great Decade or so :th2thumbs:

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  • I loved hass, but wilson has greater upside. wish hass was mentoring him, instead of locker. then again. he may not need it. :D
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  • Dang, Scotte beat me to it.

    Hass's 2007 season was the best I can remember. The ONLY thing we could do was pass, the other teams knew it, and still couldn't stop us.
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  • Basis4day wrote:Until we get to another Super Bowl it will belong to Hass.


    Way to step out on a limb. Jumping on AFTER something happens is for bandwagon fans.

    Russell Wilson's stats as a rookie are very close to what Hasselbeck did in his 5th year in Seattle after sitting behind Brett Favre for two years in Green Bay. If Russell as a rookie is comparable to the franchise's BEST year ever for a QB, there is no doubt that this IS the best season ever for the Seahawks QBs. Did anyone think 06 and beyond would be all that great? Does anyone NOT think 2013 and beyond will be great for the Seahawks?
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  • Krieg.

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  • NoChops wrote:It is Hass...no question 05 or 07 take your pick.

    Now I will bend over, put my hands on my knees and get ready to take it from every member of .net, in terms of best season..

    Rick Mirer had a better rookie season than Wilson :242735:

    1st. he was drafted to a two win team.

    2nd. He had nobody to throw to. Blades and who? (yeah, he had John L..my fave Seahawk of all time, but come on he was a FB)

    3rd. Set Rookie records for att, comp, and yards, that would that would take Mr. Manning to eclipse.

    4th. 1993 AFC west where monsters..Chefs 11 wins. Faders 10, Mr. Ed 9, SD 8...(not to mention the Bills and the Oilers at 12 wins)

    5th. Played for worst coach in team history.

    Mirer>Wilson as a rook. That being said, I'd take Wilson over Mirer for the next 432425259525545359437964764967937295734 drafts and he will make us all forget about any greatest QB discussion by this time next year.

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    I don't disagree. Mirer played for quite possibly the worst offense coming into that season in NFL history and played terrific ball. He was a master of creating something out of nothing. I remember him making left handed throws when being pulled to the ground and completing them. He was really building something special. His rookie season far outpaced those of HOF guys like Elway, Young, Aikman, Favre, and on and on. But then the wheels just fell off. I think the Bears thought they could "save him", but he just really seemed to lose it. I don't know if it was purely confidence, or if there were injuries involved, or just a general disinterest in the business of football. He seemed pretty happy as a backup. I saw him smiling on the sidelines for the Bears once, and then he had to go in, and he looked PISSED. I'm dead serious. He didn't even hold a clipboard or wear an earpiece. He just stood there with his arms folded smiling.

    After his rookie campaign and having the franchise not go out and get him some support and help to develop him with a better coach and so on, then I wouldn't blame the guy for sort of giving up. I think Rick had superstar written all over him. I think he could have been every bit the QB Brett Favre was, with a lot less INTs. It just didn't happen, and I was genuinely surprised, because he knocked my socks off as a rookie and I said I was happily eating my words and maybe it was better that we got Mirer instead of Bledsoe. Oh well. Not everybody improves from year to year, or even cares. Who knows. If I saw Rick today though I'd shake his hand and thank him for his time with the Hawks and for some great memories and some actual HOPE for the future, which I hadn't felt in quite a while.
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  • hawksfan515 wrote:I am quite frankly surprised to see Wilson losing this. I thought he would be blowout winning by some of the circle jerk comments i Have read about him.


    Why would you think he would? We love the dude to death, he's special and may ultimately be the best QB we've ever had, but this isn't a team he's had to carry the load of on his back for the whole season, there's been situations but he hasnt had to do it all, his defense and running game have helped him as well.

    Hasselbeck in 2007 was a masterpiece in term of Seahawks QB's.
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  • I am a Hass Homer but Wilson is a favorite of mine with his production. They are two different QBs with two very different systems and supporting cast. Ask me in 10 years. I may change my mind..
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  • As a first year player Wilson is ten times better than Hasslebeck was as a first year player.

    As time goes on Wilson will continue to prove to be the better player.

    Wilson makes others better. Hasselbeck didn't.
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  • Basis4day wrote:Until we get to another Super Bowl it will belong to Hass.


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  • Not Wilson yet. Maybe someday...

    Krieg was my childhood idol and will be tough to unseat. Not impossible though.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:As a first year player Wilson is ten times better than Hasslebeck was as a first year player.

    As time goes on Wilson will continue to prove to be the better player.

    Wilson makes others better. Hasselbeck didn't.


    :th2thumbs: Is it fair to compare a rookie to Hass in 2005 and 2007? Wilson has a unique attitude that I have not seen in any Seahawk Rookie! The "deal" will be sealed if he can "win out" this year.
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  • Until its over I will reserve comment. We have had some players with really good first year play. Hass was good but Krieg , Mier had really good years, his rookie year was as good as Wilson. One of the most entertaining single games I saw the Hawks play was against KC and Moon was the QB.
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  • Based on the eyeball test, I have to go with Wilson. This is the most efficient offense Seattle has ever had. Fewer big plays, but more 10+ play drives. At least that's what it feels like. Even Hasselbeck at his best would have a facepalm worthy game every 5th game. Since becoming fully acclimated, Wilson just doesn't have those.

    If Pete had trusted Wilson with the offense much sooner, this might not be a discussion worth having. Since week 6 or so Wilson has basically been Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron Rodgers had read option in his tool kit.
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  • I was watching the Dan Patrick show tonight, and he's got Rich Eisen on the line. They are chatting about NFL awards and get to the ROY candidates. Turns out Rich thinks Russell Wilson will win with the way things are going and then goes on to say, and not only say but try to persuade Dan Patrick into understanding, why he thinks the Seahawks are 100% going to the SuperBowl this year.

    Thought I would share in case any missed it, the buzz going around is pretty exciting, I hope this weekend ends the way I'm expecting it to man!! Go Seahawks!
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  • Until Wilson sees a super bowl...I'm gonna have to side with 2005 Matt Hasslebeck. No one else has even sniffed a ring...yet. ;)
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  • Wilson, easy.
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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:I have yet to see any inkling of "Spazzlebeck" tendencies with RW. Just sayin'

    In all fairness though, shouldn't RW's record be compared to Hasselbecks first years record with the Seahawks?
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:I have yet to see any inkling of "Spazzlebeck" tendencies with RW. Just sayin'

    In all fairness though, shouldn't RW's record be compared to Hasselbecks first years record with the Seahawks?


    Yes and Wilson absolutely blows him out of the water.
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  • Matty H was my idol, but I dont get how anyone can say him.. I mean in 05 he had that monster of a running game, how could he not be successful? not to mention that protection. Wilson really has none of that
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