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 Post subject: Re: Jason Jones on IR; DT Hebron Fangupo promoted
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I was excited about this guy when we signed him but to me he has been very underwhelming.

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My guess is that DT Hebron Fangupo will take Alan Branch's spot and Greg Scruggs will probably play Jason Jones's position.


That's my thought


Howard is behind Branch on the depth chart. They have Hebron Fangupo behind Mebane and Clinton McDonald.

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I like Greg Scruggs...... pretty excited to see him out there and he will be much cheaper than Jones would have been next year.

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Just another test these guys need to overcome heading into the playoffs. This will be a good measuring stick for the backups, really see what they can do against a great online.


Feeding off the 12th man, it's not hard to imagine any of them stepping up and/or going off.

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Fangupo is no joke. Yes, I watched every game he played in college. The guy can be absolutely dominant. Why he wasn't already on a team is because most teams love the veteran presence inside. He is a legit NFL player though, and I think he'll surprise some of you if/when he gets on the field. He's quick for his size, he's always around the ball, and he can rush the passer. He is also good at getting his hands up to knock the ball down, and closing off the lane for runners. He's a space filler.

I was stoked when the Hawks signed him, and I believe he would have been on the roster all season if Jones hadn't been signed to that one year deal. Good luck Hebron!

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Son of a..............., well lets just hope that Branch can play this week with his ankle, if not than our DT depth takes a serious blow.

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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

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Howard has been having injury struggles of his own all year.

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Its scruggs...not howard.

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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

I'm a huge Florida fan, and watched a lot of Jaye Howard, and the talent is there. There were times he had my mouth drop, but he always struggled with inconsistency. I wonder if that is still an issue for him, as there were times he would just disappear.

And shark, people are getting me excited on Fangupo, you have a player comparison. i just wonder his story, and why he is a PSder?


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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

I'm a huge Florida fan, and watched a lot of Jaye Howard, and the talent is there. There were times he had my mouth drop, but he always struggled with inconsistency. I wonder if that is still an issue for him, as there were times he would just disappear.

And shark people are getting me excited on Fangupo, you have a player comparison. i just wonder his story, and why he is a PSder?


RE: Hebron Fangupo

We are spoiled into thinking every practice squad player is going to be a star. This guy is 27, sure he is big but he is not that athletic. There is not much to see there. One thing I have learned in my first few months in the .Net is that hawk players in general are a tad overrated when it comes to their actual value. I also have learned everyone should be fired after a loss. :th2thumbs:

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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

I'm a huge Florida fan, and watched a lot of Jaye Howard, and the talent is there. There were times he had my mouth drop, but he always struggled with inconsistency. I wonder if that is still an issue for him, as there were times he would just disappear.

And shark people are getting me excited on Fangupo, you have a player comparison. i just wonder his story, and why he is a PSder?


RE: Hebron Fangupo

We are spoiled into thinking every practice squad player is going to be a star. This guy is 27, sure he is big but he is not that athletic. There is not much to see there. One thing I have learned in my first few months in the .Net is that hawk players in general are a tad overrated when it comes to their actual value. I also have learned everyone should be fired after a loss. :th2thumbs:


It's not like they have options at this point in the season.

With Red Bryant plagued with plantar fasciitis and Alan Branch plagued by a bad ankle, this team is down to only one healthy two gap lineman in Brandon Mebane. That will not work.

The promotion of Hebron Fangupo is timely and necessary. I'm looking for Hebron to see plenty of playing time Sunday night. It's going to be a huge opportunity for him.


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I find it interesting that with a move like this and the release of Evan Moore, that the Hawks are simply bringing up guys off their practice squad and not signing players off the street. Same thing happened when they signed Ron Parker off Carolina's PS, as he was with the team earlier in the season. Tells me that the team likes it's depth and players a lot more than in recent years when an injury immediately brought a street free agent signing. Hopefully a guy like Jaye Howard is able to step up. Don't think he's seen the game day roster too often so far.

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Looks like a hole plugger run stop guy. I'm no expert, so make up your own mind.

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He looks like a practice squad guy.

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Pete had him at SC apparently.

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Pete had him at SC apparently.


He was at USC and later transferred to BYU.

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Scruggs is looking decent as a rotational player. I was not all that impressed with Jones. He never had a great push I think his knee is still healing. For Scruggs all he really has to do is watch his gap and get a good push.


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Jones was very disruptive early in the year. He simply doesn't have a lt of miles left in those legs, though. Thus the one year deal.

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When i first saw this i was really really worried. then i thought to myself "Is Russell Wilson worried?" then I calmed down.


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I just believe if Hebron can play the run effectively, and eat up some space, then why not get him some playing time, especially with Branch being hobbled.


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He doesn't look like a speed guy, but is a decent A gap guy. I think the key is not to get false starts as this is his first real game in NFL, so being the start, false start penalties is something to watch for.


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I love this place. Within minutes of the breaking news of Jones being placed on IR we've got highlight videos of a dude named Hebron Fangupo. That's awesome!

Thanks for the find!

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Thanks for posting the video. :th2thumbs:

In that video, Hebron looks powerful in a disruptive sort of way. Doesn't have NFL pursuit speed (of course) but looks quick to shed blocks, change directions and get hands up. Surprised at his versatility in that video. BYU lined him up everywhere.

I think Brandon Mebane, Red Bryant, and Alan Branch will welcome a little help going into week 16 against the 49ers. Certainly can't hurt.


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To be honest Jones sees most of his time on pass downs. Looking at the forecast we can expect a lot of run Sunday and I'm sure the Rams will do the same. Scruggs has done pretty well as a pass rusher.


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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

I'm a huge Florida fan, and watched a lot of Jaye Howard, and the talent is there. There were times he had my mouth drop, but he always struggled with inconsistency. I wonder if that is still an issue for him, as there were times he would just disappear.

And shark, people are getting me excited on Fangupo, you have a player comparison. i just wonder his story, and why he is a PSder?


Hebron is a Mormon kid, so this is my specialty. He went to USC for two years (I am 99.9999999% certain Pete recruited him). He left because he wasn't happy, just as Uona Kavienga did (they both left USC and came to BYU). Hebron did 2 years at USC, then a year at a JC, then got enrolled at BYU and got one last year, and what a year it was. He was a stud all season, and I was really pleased to see him get here.

He's still pretty raw because of the moving around thing, and the grades stuff, but he DID get an invite to the combine and did fairly well there. Kaveinga played this year and was also impressive. Pete got 3 really solid BYU soft commits in Fangupo, Kaveinga, and Stanley Havili to switch to USC and nobody begrudged them. They want to maximize their chances, but on the flipside, not all Mormon kids are entirely comfortable at USC. The atmosphere is a bit much. Havili made it work fine, but then again he was a starter due to the 4 guys above him on the depth chart getting hurt (and yes, the 5th back on USC's depth chart then was an NFL player... that should tell you how loaded Pete made those teams and what an eye for talent he has).

Anyway... Fangupo is a space eater. I'm trying to think of who to compare him to. Not so much Brandon Mebane, but similar. He's not a tall guy like Jones or Branch. He played nose tackle in college in a 3-4 or a 3-3-5 and did really well creating pressure. He moved outside at times as well to give different looks. He's very football intelligent and has a good feel.

The reason he's a practice squadder is this... in my opinion. His jumping around in college hurt him in the eyes of some GM's. His practice speed and game speed are also different. I guess he's a "gamer" and one of those guys that rises to the occasion. It seemed like any time BYU needed a big play, he'd be the guy making it. He just has a nose for the ball and the runner, and when the QB is dancing around he'll get coverage sacks. I guess if I had to say one guy he's similar to it would be Rocky Bernard or maybe even Sam Adams. Although he's much more consistent. Where Rocky and Sam would be Cortez the second one play, they'd look like a little leaguer the next. Hebron does not take plays off... but he also doesn't show flashes of Cortez either. I mean... who really does? But he does show ability in the same way that Brandon Mebane does to get into the backfield, or to clog up the center and both guards (and yes, I've seen him take on a triple team and love it).

So don't be surprised if he comes out and plays pretty well. He's a good kid. Works hard. He will give you everything he has. The Island guys always do. Think of Manu Tuiasasopo. That guy was all heart all the time. Hebron is kind and mellow, but you get his adrenaline up and 60,000 people screaming and he gets going. I can remember him getting the crowd louder and louder and louder. The guy would get Lavell Edwards stadium into a frenzy, and to earn that kind of respect only playing one year at the school is pretty huge. I've watched him for a long time.... followed his process since high school. I was stoked when we signed him, and I hope he makes me look like I know what I'm talking about and plays the way he's capable of, because he can most definitely play football. I have zero worries about whether or not Hebron will know what he's doing or how to do it. Side note... he has played against Kaep before.... 2 years ago Nevada came to BYU and played and won (their very special season). Hebron played well in that game from my vantage point, but Kaep ability to run put a ton of pressure on the 3 man front, and the LBers had to do a ton of the work as usual. I think he may really excel in a 4 man front, and even better he may free Mebane up to do more in the backfield because Hebron is clogging up traffic and holding Kaep from galloping up the middle for big yards.

We shall see... let's hope for the best. But if you want to vote for a truly good guy to have a great game, then Fangupo is your man. I am certain he is loved by teammates and coaches alike, and a lot of his development is just learning to play in a 4-3. I am sure he has it down now, and like I said... if the deal with Jones didn't work out late (the one year contract) I have every reason to believe that Hebron would have made the final roster. But... Jones took the one year deal to try to build his value, and Hebron got the practice squad spot.

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From the video he looked to me like a powerful guy that was indeed versatile. He was lined up all over the place.

He is low to the ground and can take on the double team (an Old Miss double team)

Plenty of push, not much technique to break away from the blocker other than power. See hands.

Probably comparable to Chartric Darby. My guess is that would help Mebane get push.

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Chuck Darby would be a good comparison. I'd throw in Norman Hand as well. Both were good at containing. I thought in college that at worst he could be as good as Colin Cole, but then Cole had an inexplicable dropoff and I thought Hebron would be like the Colin that played in Green Bay. Just disruptive and a great piece to a good defense. We shall see. Good call on the Darby comparison.

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Shark you are very astute about these Utah & BYU guys so I hope you're right and he's a beast on Sunday. I too was excited about Fangupo when they acquired him, he could be a sleeper. It's now time for Jaye Howard to demonstrate he was worth a 4th round pick and deserves to play as a pro.

I'm a huge Florida fan, and watched a lot of Jaye Howard, and the talent is there. There were times he had my mouth drop, but he always struggled with inconsistency. I wonder if that is still an issue for him, as there were times he would just disappear.

And shark, people are getting me excited on Fangupo, you have a player comparison. i just wonder his story, and why he is a PSder?


Hebron is a Mormon kid, so this is my specialty. He went to USC for two years (I am 99.9999999% certain Pete recruited him). He left because he wasn't happy, just as Uona Kavienga did (they both left USC and came to BYU). Hebron did 2 years at USC, then a year at a JC, then got enrolled at BYU and got one last year, and what a year it was. He was a stud all season, and I was really pleased to see him get here.

He's still pretty raw because of the moving around thing, and the grades stuff, but he DID get an invite to the combine and did fairly well there. Kaveinga played this year and was also impressive. Pete got 3 really solid BYU soft commits in Fangupo, Kaveinga, and Stanley Havili to switch to USC and nobody begrudged them. They want to maximize their chances, but on the flipside, not all Mormon kids are entirely comfortable at USC. The atmosphere is a bit much. Havili made it work fine, but then again he was a starter due to the 4 guys above him on the depth chart getting hurt (and yes, the 5th back on USC's depth chart then was an NFL player... that should tell you how loaded Pete made those teams and what an eye for talent he has).

Anyway... Fangupo is a space eater. I'm trying to think of who to compare him to. Not so much Brandon Mebane, but similar. He's not a tall guy like Jones or Branch. He played nose tackle in college in a 3-4 or a 3-3-5 and did really well creating pressure. He moved outside at times as well to give different looks. He's very football intelligent and has a good feel.

The reason he's a practice squadder is this... in my opinion. His jumping around in college hurt him in the eyes of some GM's. His practice speed and game speed are also different. I guess he's a "gamer" and one of those guys that rises to the occasion. It seemed like any time BYU needed a big play, he'd be the guy making it. He just has a nose for the ball and the runner, and when the QB is dancing around he'll get coverage sacks. I guess if I had to say one guy he's similar to it would be Rocky Bernard or maybe even Sam Adams. Although he's much more consistent. Where Rocky and Sam would be Cortez the second one play, they'd look like a little leaguer the next. Hebron does not take plays off... but he also doesn't show flashes of Cortez either. I mean... who really does? But he does show ability in the same way that Brandon Mebane does to get into the backfield, or to clog up the center and both guards (and yes, I've seen him take on a triple team and love it).

So don't be surprised if he comes out and plays pretty well. He's a good kid. Works hard. He will give you everything he has. The Island guys always do. Think of Manu Tuiasasopo. That guy was all heart all the time. Hebron is kind and mellow, but you get his adrenaline up and 60,000 people screaming and he gets going. I can remember him getting the crowd louder and louder and louder. The guy would get Lavell Edwards stadium into a frenzy, and to earn that kind of respect only playing one year at the school is pretty huge. I've watched him for a long time.... followed his process since high school. I was stoked when we signed him, and I hope he makes me look like I know what I'm talking about and plays the way he's capable of, because he can most definitely play football. I have zero worries about whether or not Hebron will know what he's doing or how to do it. Side note... he has played against Kaep before.... 2 years ago Nevada came to BYU and played and won (their very special season). Hebron played well in that game from my vantage point, but Kaep ability to run put a ton of pressure on the 3 man front, and the LBers had to do a ton of the work as usual. I think he may really excel in a 4 man front, and even better he may free Mebane up to do more in the backfield because Hebron is clogging up traffic and holding Kaep from galloping up the middle for big yards.

We shall see... let's hope for the best. But if you want to vote for a truly good guy to have a great game, then Fangupo is your man. I am certain he is loved by teammates and coaches alike, and a lot of his development is just learning to play in a 4-3. I am sure he has it down now, and like I said... if the deal with Jones didn't work out late (the one year contract) I have every reason to believe that Hebron would have made the final roster. But... Jones took the one year deal to try to build his value, and Hebron got the practice squad spot.

Good stuff man! I hope your right because a space eater is what we'll need if Branch is hobbled or a no go.


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Chuck Darby would be a good comparison. I'd throw in Norman Hand as well. Both were good at containing. I thought in college that at worst he could be as good as Colin Cole, but then Cole had an inexplicable dropoff and I thought Hebron would be like the Colin that played in Green Bay. Just disruptive and a great piece to a good defense. We shall see. Good call on the Darby comparison.


You reminded me of Colin Cole. I had high hopes for that guy. Thought he might blossom into a Sam Adams type based solely on his size probably.

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If memory serves, Loni left USC after Pete left USC. He didn't play much his first year there because he broke his ankle early in the season. He played in seven games in 2009.

Edit: I'm off a year. 2009 was the year he broke his ankle and he played in 7 games in 2010 then transferred before the 2011 season.

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