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Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:41 pm
  • I broke down the SF/NE game looking at SF drives to try and get a better understanding of what I was feeling after watching the game. Here Is how it looks. (what I thought during the game is in red)

    1st drive 6 plays 63 yards =TD *LEGIT DRIVE, GOOD TD
    2nd drive Fumble (lucky he got it back they were on SF 17) = PUNT
    SF INTERCEPTION * Brady was forcing this pass, it's not like the pick was miraculous, watch it over again
    3rd drive Fumble (NE recovers on their own 5)
    4th drive 8 plays 42 yards, missed FG from 39yards
    SF FUMBLE RECOVERY (they get a lucky bounce could have just as easily been a patriot recovery, there were 4 Pats right there, it was a bad bounce for them, totally circumstance, weather and bad luck)
    5TH drive Fumble ( doesn’t matter failed 4th down), 4 plays 9 yards turnover on downs.But still SF didn't capitalize on a huge fumble recovery
    6th drive HUGE PI CALL to the tune of 35 yards, 3 plays 80 yards = TD *3 EXPLOSIVE PLAYS FOR 80 YARDS
    7th drive 15 plays 75 yards = FG *COULDN’T GET IT DONE HERE WITH ALL THAT MOMENTUM
    HALFTIME
    8TH drive kaep throws an INT, trying to force another explosive play, the guy was double covered
    SF RECOVERS A FUMBLE AT SF 28 RETURNED TO NE 6 *CIRCUMSTANCE, LUCK, AND WEATHER
    9th drive Kaep Fumbles ( LUCKY SOB, GORE PICK IT UP AND SCORES). He literally almost screws another opportunity to capitalize on a turnover = TD
    SF INTERCEPTION PUTS THEM ON NE 27 *first of all Terrible place to throw it for Brady, and Very lucky interception if you watch it, it was completely circumstantial
    10th drive 1 play 27 yds = TD*INTERCEPTION MADE IT PRETTY EASY
    11TH drive = punt
    12th drive = punt
    13th drive = punt
    NEW ENGLAND PUTS UP 28 UN ANSWERED POINTS
    LMJ RETURNS FOR 62 YARDS *OUR ST WOULDN’T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN
    11th drive 1 play 38 yards = TD *EXPLOSIVE PLAY
    12th drive= punt
    NEW ENGLAND MISSES 4TH AND 1 LEAVING SF IN THE RED ZONE *TERRIBLE PLAY CALL ON NE MADE
    13TH drive easy = FG * WITH THE GREAT FIELD POSITION, THEY COULDN’T PUT IT IN THE ENDZONE
    THEY GIVE UP 57 YARDS IN 1 MIN AND ANOTHER FG WITH 40+ SECONDS ON THE CLOCK, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF PATS GOT THE ONSIDE KICK?

    So what does this all add up to? What I am seeing here, and let me know what you guys think, is this game was completely thrown off by the weather first of all. Secondly, SF had one solid drive that led to a TD. Other than that they had a garbage game, full of fumbles, explosive/circumstantial plays.

    Not to mention horrible consistency. They started out with a 28 point lead after capitalizing on multiple INTs and Fumbles that gave them optimal field position, and ended up giving 28 unanswered points and a total of 520 total yards of offense.

    Guys I don't know if I'm totally off base here, I just can't look at this laundry list of terrible football I have listed above and think that this team is "ELITE". I honestly think the Hawks are going to smoke this team, like really bad, this could be a huge game for us.
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  • The 49ers will get beaten this Sunday. As you said, lot of luck/happenstance/good plays at exactly the right time for the 49ers in that game, and they still damn near gave it away for what would have been tied for the 2nd biggest comeback in NFL history.

    49ers fans should be worried. Instead, they're trying to figure out who they're going to play after their first-round bye. The same bye they're almost guaranteed not to have once we beat them on Sunday.
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  • Just another thought too, When we beat the Cards 58-0 we had 493 yrds of offense. Pats putting up 520 yards without all the random turnovers and the score would have been more like 65-41.
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  • Well, our yardage totals are deceptively low because our average starting position from great special teams play means we almost never start from the 10, 15, etc. Even almost all of our 20s are from touchbacks. If Leon returns it, we're generally at something like the 26, 31, 39, etc. That adds up.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:22 pm
  • I really doubt it. Their defense is really really good.

    While our offense is very much improved I still worry what it will look like with the run game struggling. We have an inflated view of the offense right now in my opinion and our defense hasn't really been playing amazing in the second half of the year.

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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:17 pm
  • I hope Clemons rips that goofy looking head off Kaepernicks neck
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:27 pm
  • I cannot remotely see any of these two teams dominating each other on the scoreboard on Sunday unless there are some freakish turn of events like a floodgate of turnovers. The way Kap was miss handling the ball from center better be worked out come Sunday Night because it's always a wet one in Seattle this time of year. I expect a close game and whoever screws up late in the game is going down.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:28 pm
  • The Seahawks are the only team this season to have over 450 yards of total offense three weeks in a row this year. The Seahawk offense is moving the ball at will and should be able to very well against the whiners this week too. Next week the "experts" will still be doubting this team's ability to win on the road and wondering what happened to the whiner defense.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:32 pm
  • 12thManHawkFan wrote:Just another thought too, When we beat the Cards 58-0 we had 493 yrds of offense. Pats putting up 520 yards without all the random turnovers and the score would have been more like 65-41.


    That yardage is a bit missleading. Brady put the ball in the air over 60 times!!! Your going to have big numbers with that many attempts. Going to a soft zone shell for much of the second half and having our best pass rusher Justin Smith out for most of the second half didn't help matters. Harbs should have known better that a full half remaining in the game is too soon to go into prevent D mode no matter what the lead is, especially against the likes of Tom Brady.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:35 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:The Seahawks are the only team this season to have over 450 yards of total offense three weeks in a row this year. The Seahawk offense is moving the ball at will and should be able to very well against the whiners this week too. Next week the "experts" will still be doubting this team's ability to win on the road and wondering what happened to the whiner defense.


    A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:31 am
  • BayAreafbfan wrote:A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:


    I actually think you'd probably be better off keeping a spy on Wilson and not blitzing heavily. Wilson has beaten a lot of blitzes by just taking off, or escaping and throwing a 20-yard pass on the run to someone.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:42 am
  • we are going to barely eeeeek out a victory. Barely.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:56 am
  • BayAreafbfan wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:The Seahawks are the only team this season to have over 450 yards of total offense three weeks in a row this year. The Seahawk offense is moving the ball at will and should be able to very well against the whiners this week too. Next week the "experts" will still be doubting this team's ability to win on the road and wondering what happened to the whiner defense.


    A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:


    Go ahead and send that pass rush, Marshawn Lynch will run right past it into the secondary.
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  • I think we will squeak by with the help of #12
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    BayAreafbfan wrote:A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:


    I actually think you'd probably be better off keeping a spy on Wilson and not blitzing heavily. Wilson has beaten a lot of blitzes by just taking off, or escaping and throwing a 20-yard pass on the run to someone.


    I think the 49ers blitz less than just about everytime in the league. Can't say where I heard that, but I remember specifically and very recently hearing multiple times that they bring extra men on blitzes far less than most.

    Anyone else hear that? I think it was the announcers during the game, just not sure.
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  • Stop Gore. For Pete's sake?
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    BayAreafbfan wrote:A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:


    I actually think you'd probably be better off keeping a spy on Wilson and not blitzing heavily. Wilson has beaten a lot of blitzes by just taking off, or escaping and throwing a 20-yard pass on the run to someone.


    It did seem, though, that the Bills game-planned for Wilson's maneuverability by keeping a safety/LB close to spy Wilson, but too often they leaned left or leaned right and Wilson caught them by running opposite that defender. Or so I saw it. Seems like our QB now knows teams will have a man on him and looks for that in his progressions.

    If I were SF, I'd have to believe the best way to stop Wilson is to limit his approach - and by backing off on the blitzing packages they do just the opposite by way of leaving him the run-option with room to carry. That is where the Bills failed, aside from the opening play of the game.
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  • Thanks for the unbiased reporting. All this time I thought the 49ers won a game nobody thought they could win, on the road, against a consistently top ranked team, with a QB making his 6th NFL start, with weather that helped the home team, but now I realize it was all luck.
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  • 49fansince70 wrote:Thanks for the unbiased reporting. All this time I thought the 49ers won a game nobody thought they could win, on the road, against a consistently top ranked team, with a QB making his 6th NFL start, with weather that helped the home team, but now I realize it was all luck.



    lol

    Its amazing how we all have vastly inflated opinions of our own teams isn't it?

    I thought the ninnirs did a great job at NE and think the boys and girls whining about that game should spend more time being pissed at us giving away a couple of games early in the season.

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  • Provided we are all still here Friday afternoon, I'd say the planets are aligned quite nicely for a Seahawks victory.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it's really a game that will be a very tough one for the Niners to eek out a victory in. So many conditions favor the Hawks it's not even fair. Home at the Clink, nationally-televised, last game before Christmas, the whole league will be watching, the 12's will be a force, and we've got Wilson.

    One thing's for sure, it'll be a question of how many interceptions Kaerpenick will throw. Optimus will be on his game, Lane is looking better, ET is all over the place, we've got KJ Wright playing sweet coverage from the LB spot, and Kam is, well, just Kam. If we contain Gore and cover the deep ball, we're good.
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  • is Sherman playing.. that's the key for me... if we lose him, we're going to be in a tough spot.. and as far as i'm concerned niners did what they needed to do in a very tough game... hat's off to their victory... but you will not be facing a weak Patriots defense this sunday, you'll be facing a top 5 D in the most hostile stadium in the league.... in the elements... you can cut that 41 pts in half, maybe more. 24 - 17 hawks
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  • HoustonHawk82 wrote:Provided we are all still here Friday afternoon, I'd say the planets are aligned quite nicely for a Seahawks victory.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it's really a game that will be a very tough one for the Niners to eek out a victory in. So many conditions favor the Hawks it's not even fair. Home at the Clink, nationally-televised, last game before Christmas, the whole league will be watching, the 12's will be a force, and we've got Wilson.

    One thing's for sure, it'll be a question of how many interceptions Kaerpenick will throw. Optimus will be on his game, Lane is looking better, ET is all over the place, we've got KJ Wright playing sweet coverage from the LB spot, and Kam is, well, just Kam. If we contain Gore and cover the deep ball, we're good.

    I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.

    My personal opinion is that this game will come down to how well Seattles offense can play against the Niner defense. They aren't going to play like they did against the Cards and Bills... But how well or badly they play will really set the tempo for the game me thinks. Seattles defense should play better than in the first meeting, but so should the 49er offense.
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  • I think an advantage Seattle has is Wilson has played against a top ranked defense where Kaep has yet to face a defense like ours.

    At home, I think our defense is the best in the league. Hell we are only one point behind the Niners in points allowed.
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  • 60niners wrote:I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.


    Who tops the list of MNF win percentage? :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_Nig ... _standings

    Even in our bad years, we've had a strikingly high number of MNF wins. We seem to thrive in prime time spotlight. Obviously, yes, the 49ers are 3rd on that list; but a lot of those games were during your glory years.
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  • 49fansince70 wrote:Thanks for the unbiased reporting. All this time I thought the 49ers won a game nobody thought they could win, on the road, against a consistently top ranked team, with a QB making his 6th NFL start, with weather that helped the home team, but now I realize it was all luck.


    What's amazing is you come to a Seahawks fan forum and expect everyone to pat your head and tell you how great the 49ers are. Come on, dude.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:07 am
  • The 49ers have a better D then we do...They are also a D built for having the lead unlike any other. Their pass rush between Smith&Smith is not even fair.

    We have many advantages on offense (IMO), but if we can improve an interior pass rush an get someone anywhere near Justin Smith then we will be up to par with them. I see our secondary/LB core as comparable- it's really only our Dline that is inferior.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:16 am
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    BayAreafbfan wrote:A good pass rush will slow down any offence dude, even the unstopable Russel Wilson. :roll:


    I actually think you'd probably be better off keeping a spy on Wilson and not blitzing heavily. Wilson has beaten a lot of blitzes by just taking off, or escaping and throwing a 20-yard pass on the run to someone.


    It did seem, though, that the Bills game-planned for Wilson's maneuverability by keeping a safety/LB close to spy Wilson, but too often they leaned left or leaned right and Wilson caught them by running opposite that defender. Or so I saw it. Seems like our QB now knows teams will have a man on him and looks for that in his progressions.

    If I were SF, I'd have to believe the best way to stop Wilson is to limit his approach - and by backing off on the blitzing packages they do just the opposite by way of leaving him the run-option with room to carry. That is where the Bills failed, aside from the opening play of the game.



    There is no denying that RW is a speedy QB that can burn teams with the run option. SF does however have quality linebackers that are quite fast and mobile. Do I think we are going to completely shut down the RW scrambles? No. But in no way on God's green earth are we going to allow three rushing touchdowns by Russel Wilson like the Bills did on Sunday..
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:38 am
  • I expect a close game on Sunday,....I just hope we don't get Mike Carey and his officiating crew,...could be a big factor in a hard fought close game,...
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:38 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    60niners wrote:I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.


    Who tops the list of MNF win percentage? :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_Nig ... _standings

    Even in our bad years, we've had a strikingly high number of MNF wins. We seem to thrive in prime time spotlight. Obviously, yes, the 49ers are 3rd on that list; but a lot of those games were during your glory years.


    So what's the stat on SNF? Cause MNF is off subject here..
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:59 am
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    HoustonHawk82 wrote:Provided we are all still here Friday afternoon, I'd say the planets are aligned quite nicely for a Seahawks victory.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it's really a game that will be a very tough one for the Niners to eek out a victory in. So many conditions favor the Hawks it's not even fair. Home at the Clink, nationally-televised, last game before Christmas, the whole league will be watching, the 12's will be a force, and we've got Wilson.

    One thing's for sure, it'll be a question of how many interceptions Kaerpenick will throw. Optimus will be on his game, Lane is looking better, ET is all over the place, we've got KJ Wright playing sweet coverage from the LB spot, and Kam is, well, just Kam. If we contain Gore and cover the deep ball, we're good.

    I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.
    My personal opinion is that this game will come down to how well Seattles offense can play against the Niner defense. They aren't going to play like they did against the Cards and Bills... But how well or badly they play will really set the tempo for the game me thinks. Seattles defense should play better than in the first meeting, but so should the 49er offense.


    I think it all comes down to Kaepernick. He's had 7 passing TD's in his 6 games he's played. 6 of which have come in 2 games- 4 against the PATS, and 2 against the Saints- Both have very suspect defenses. Will he play like he did against the PATs and connect on several TD passes or will he play like he did against the Dolphins and Rams (both with good defenses) and only manage a single rushing TD? If it's the latter than SF WILL NOT win the game. Kaepernick will have to be able generate more than 17 points to win this game. If RW keeps up his trend of not turning the ball over- 1 INT all season at home, than that will force SF to drive significant distances for scores. I not sure they can do that all game long.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:02 am
  • BayAreafbfan wrote:There is no denying that RW is a speedy QB that can burn teams with the run option. SF does however have quality linebackers that are quite fast and mobile. Do I think we are going to completely shut down the RW scrambles? No. But in no way on God's green earth are we going to allow three rushing touchdowns by Russel Wilson like the Bills did on Sunday..


    I'd say that's pretty likely considering that Buffalo was the first time RW has made it into the endzone. It should be a really fun game and I would expect the intensity to be off-the charts and feel like a playoff game. Last Christmas Eve game was that way, very entertaining. The good news is we don't have T-Jack leading the charge.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:10 am
  • ScarScream wrote:So what's the stat on SNF? Cause MNF is off subject here..


    Prime time is prime time, but I could only find stats on Sunday Night Football games since NBC took over in 2006. We're 5-3 on them, and the 49ers are 2-1. So, you guys have the better percentage by a small margin, but that's a pretty damned small sample size, and I'm not sure it should count on its own, here; but I don't want you to think I'm trying to "run away" from it, but perhaps it should be lumped into the MNF numbers?

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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:47 am
  • BayAreafbfan wrote:I cannot remotely see any of these two teams dominating each other on the scoreboard on Sunday unless there are some freakish turn of events like a floodgate of turnovers. The way Kap was miss handling the ball from center better be worked out come Sunday Night because it's always a wet one in Seattle this time of year. I expect a close game and whoever screws up late in the game is going down.


    Pretty much my take on it. If both teams play clean, it will be really tight.

    That's the whole thing about the avalanche. The Cards had it bad, where really in Buffalo the Hawks had some serious scoring going on, then the catch-up mistakes started happening,

    With SF, both teams are capable of scoring and stopping. Certainly a tough one to pick.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:06 pm
  • I believe it will be another close game. The turnovers will be key. Also, I believe special teams will be an x factor in this game.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:18 pm
  • I would like to think that our team just shifted into another gear. Yeah you can argue that we just played two craptastic teams, but we beat them handily like we were supposed to. Another 50bomb would be mindboggling acceptable. I believe.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:27 pm
  • 60niners wrote:
    HoustonHawk82 wrote:Provided we are all still here Friday afternoon, I'd say the planets are aligned quite nicely for a Seahawks victory.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it's really a game that will be a very tough one for the Niners to eek out a victory in. So many conditions favor the Hawks it's not even fair. Home at the Clink, nationally-televised, last game before Christmas, the whole league will be watching, the 12's will be a force, and we've got Wilson.

    One thing's for sure, it'll be a question of how many interceptions Kaerpenick will throw. Optimus will be on his game, Lane is looking better, ET is all over the place, we've got KJ Wright playing sweet coverage from the LB spot, and Kam is, well, just Kam. If we contain Gore and cover the deep ball, we're good.

    I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.

    My personal opinion is that this game will come down to how well Seattles offense can play against the Niner defense. They aren't going to play like they did against the Cards and Bills... But how well or badly they play will really set the tempo for the game me thinks. Seattles defense should play better than in the first meeting, but so should the 49er offense.


    see this is what kills me, i see this so much on your guys board.. you act like the only offensively productive games were against the Bills and Cards.. we had pretty good games against the cowboys , pats and bears as well, jets and vikings..
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:29 pm
  • fact of the matter is, IMO those games against the Cards and Bills , were just the result of really bad teams playing really horrible football, on top of our good offensive production... no one on here thinks that our offense is elite or even close based on those two vicotories.. heck i was embarrassed for the fans of those teams, for how pathetic their teams played.. not giddy over our offense.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:31 pm
  • In the first game Hawks did not play efficient football. Several dropped passes killed drives and put the SF O back on the field. That is not the case now. The Hawks O is clicking and moving the ball the bast they have all year. The 9rs have a great D yes, but efficient, smart, mistake free football will nullify that.

    On the other hand, the Hawks D got burned for some long gains in the first meeting, I believe they are also playing more efficient football and should play much more disciplined. I don't believe the 9rs will get 100 on the ground in this game. I like the Hawks chances with Keap throwing the ball, and I fully expect Keap to scramble until Chancellor blows him up a couple times.

    It's a hard game to call, but I'm confident the Hawks are ready to make a statement!
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
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    HoustonHawk82 wrote:Provided we are all still here Friday afternoon, I'd say the planets are aligned quite nicely for a Seahawks victory.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it's really a game that will be a very tough one for the Niners to eek out a victory in. So many conditions favor the Hawks it's not even fair. Home at the Clink, nationally-televised, last game before Christmas, the whole league will be watching, the 12's will be a force, and we've got Wilson.

    One thing's for sure, it'll be a question of how many interceptions Kaerpenick will throw. Optimus will be on his game, Lane is looking better, ET is all over the place, we've got KJ Wright playing sweet coverage from the LB spot, and Kam is, well, just Kam. If we contain Gore and cover the deep ball, we're good.

    I'm curious how the bolded favors the Seahawks? Our last match was nationally televised as well. Home field advantage definitely favors the Hawks, but I really don't see how those others are advantages.

    My personal opinion is that this game will come down to how well Seattles offense can play against the Niner defense. They aren't going to play like they did against the Cards and Bills... But how well or badly they play will really set the tempo for the game me thinks. Seattles defense should play better than in the first meeting, but so should the 49er offense.


    see this is what kills me, i see this so much on your guys board.. you act like the only offensively productive games were against the Bills and Cards.. we had pretty good games against the cowboys , pats and bears as well, jets and vikings..

    Was just using those two games as an example because there's a lot of chest thumping going on about how the Seahawks are unstoppable. Different caliber of opponent definitely makes a difference.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:39 pm
  • 60niners wrote:Different caliber of opponent definitely makes a difference.


    Yes, but if it was that black & white, you'd see every elite team put 50+ on every bad team most of the time. Instead, it's still incredibly rare. That speaks more to the fact that there is so much parity in this league, and that even the worst teams still have a lot of talent overall, even if it falls well short of the best teams in the league. Upsets happen regularly. It's not like college with their huge blowouts every single week.
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Re: Are we going to smoke SF Sunday night?
Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:46 pm
  • So to OP, explosive plays = circumstantial = horrible football

    Ok, good to know
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  • NorCal wrote:So to OP, explosive plays = circumstantial = horrible football

    Ok, good to know


    You missed the point of my post man. I watched the game over on Rewind and took note of every drive the Niners had. What I'm getting at is their win wasn't really all that DOMINATING. The weather played such a big factor in this game, the niners got very lucky on a few fumble recoveries that could have EASILY gone the other way. Not one of the INTs SF got were all that impressive, most of it was Brady trying to force the ball. They didn't have to DRIVE the entire field very much at all due to great field positioning after turnovers, mind you they FAILED TO CAPITALIZE several times with great field position. They miss handled the ball a ton and got very lucky they didn't lose it a few times. They almost blew the lead, their Elite D gave up 28 unanswered points and 500+ yards of offense.

    I just don't see it as a DOMINATING win that catapults them to the #1 power ranked team in the league. My OP has every drive SF had in it, if you see something different then I do, go ahead write your thoughts. As for mine, I am not worried about this game at all. Seattle handles the ball very well in the rain, unlike Kaep. You guys aren't going to have great field position all day from turnovers like you did in NE. RW has proved he can drive the entire field, time and time again. I don't see this being a close game, if SEA protects the ball and plays as consistently as they have been, it is going to be a statement game to say the least.

    Will Seattle be catapulted to the front after Sunday night after a dominating win? I doubt it, the Headlines will probably talk about how SF didn't show up and let Seattle win. Seattle will continue to fly under the radar like they have all season.

    By the way, don't be mad, all I did was post exactly what happened in the game, with my thoughts. If you think any of them are bogus, let me know. That's why I posted in the first place.
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  • No, NorCal; maintaining and regularly executing explosive plays is different from having some here & there. We'll see what kind of consistency goes down for explosive plays from the 49ers over time with Kaepernick, but a 5-game sample size is obviously too small. Really need a full season for that.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    60niners wrote:Different caliber of opponent definitely makes a difference.


    Yes, but if it was that black & white, you'd see every elite team put 50+ on every bad team most of the time. Instead, it's still incredibly rare. That speaks more to the fact that there is so much parity in this league, and that even the worst teams still have a lot of talent overall, even if it falls well short of the best teams in the league. Upsets happen regularly. It's not like college with their huge blowouts every single week.

    Oh back-to-back fiftyburgers is extremely impressive. It appeared to me, as the reader, that the Seahawks were now on some otherworldly level and the basis of that weighed heavily on these last two games.

    I think it would be silly to expect the same outcome.

    And if for some ludicrous reason the Niners give up 50 to the Seahawks, I'll own up to them being the superior team.
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  • lukerguy wrote:The 49ers have a better D then we do...They are also a D built for having the lead unlike any other. Their pass rush between Smith&Smith is not even fair.

    We have many advantages on offense (IMO), but if we can improve an interior pass rush an get someone anywhere near Justin Smith then we will be up to par with them. I see our secondary/LB core as comparable- it's really only our Dline that is inferior.


    I'm sorry....what WHA!?!

    Aldon Smith. Patrick Willis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks.

    You see your LB corps as comparable to THAT!?! :shock:

    Woah...major homer sighting there.
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    lukerguy wrote:The 49ers have a better D then we do...They are also a D built for having the lead unlike any other. Their pass rush between Smith&Smith is not even fair.

    We have many advantages on offense (IMO), but if we can improve an interior pass rush an get someone anywhere near Justin Smith then we will be up to par with them. I see our secondary/LB core as comparable- it's really only our Dline that is inferior.


    I'm sorry....what WHA!?!

    Aldon Smith. Patrick Willis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks.

    You see your LB corps as comparable to THAT!?! :shock:

    Woah...major homer sighting there.


    I think SF has the upper hand at LB core, our LB core has the potential to be as good as SF which is a very good thing. We own them in the Secondary hands down.
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  • 12thManHawkFan wrote:Secondly, SF had one solid drive that led to a TD. Other than that they had a garbage game, full of fumbles, explosive/circumstantial plays.

    Not to mention horrible consistency. They started out with a 28 point lead after capitalizing on multiple INTs and Fumbles that gave them optimal field position, and ended up giving 28 unanswered points and a total of 520 total yards of offense.

    Guys I don't know if I'm totally off base here, I just can't look at this laundry list of terrible football I have listed above and think that this team is "ELITE". I honestly think the Hawks are going to smoke this team, like really bad, this could be a huge game for us.


    The first two sentences above show that you are saying that explosive/circumstantial plays = garbage game. There is no other way to read that.

    I understand your post was trying to say that the niners did not sustain drives, and basically got lucky with the bounces. You can have that opinion, but I don't understand how throwing up quick TDs is a bad thing. Look at the 4th quarter when the Pats tied it up. It took 1 play and the niner had a 7 point lead again. How is that bad? So what they didn't have a sustained drive there, they got the lead back.

    As to your point of lucky breaks, the fumble recoveries on offense were not that lucky. Read Barnwell's piece this week about the percentages of the offense recovering the football based on where the ball is fumbled. The offense was heavily favored to recover in all the fumbles the niners recovered. And to the INTs, you can just look at the INT in a vacuum. Why was Brady forcing passes? Could it have been he was feeling the pressure from the Niners Dline? Sure looked like it to me.

    Its just kind of funny to me bc the Niners have been fairly consistent on sustaining long drives for the better part of the season. They basically won the NO game on a 9+ minute drive to eat away a ton of time in the second half. Niner fans and others have been wondering where the explosive plays have been, and then they finally show some on Sunday. Just kind of ironic to me that a SEA fan will say they had a terrible game. It was definitely the tale of two halfs, but they got the stops in the end when they needed them.

    You think the Seahawks will blow them out, and if they do, I'll give you all the credit on here. But if they don't, will you own up to it?
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  • 12thManHawkFan wrote:
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    lukerguy wrote:The 49ers have a better D then we do...They are also a D built for having the lead unlike any other. Their pass rush between Smith&Smith is not even fair.

    We have many advantages on offense (IMO), but if we can improve an interior pass rush an get someone anywhere near Justin Smith then we will be up to par with them. I see our secondary/LB core as comparable- it's really only our Dline that is inferior.


    I'm sorry....what WHA!?!

    Aldon Smith. Patrick Willis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks.

    You see your LB corps as comparable to THAT!?! :shock:

    Woah...major homer sighting there.


    I think SF has the upper hand at LB core, our LB core has the potential to be as good as SF which is a very good thing. We own them in the Secondary hands down.



    I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree there.

    The Niners IMO may have the best LB corps of this generation. THREE of them may be all-pro this year. Not Pro Bowl....ALL-PRO. The only guys I can think of that would even compare would be the old Dome Patrol of the Saints back in the 80's (who were also coached by Vic Fangio,Niners OC).

    Seattles LBs have some serious potential, but IMO are a LONG way off from the quartet in SF. I also like the Niners Secondary, but I'll concede that Seattles got the Niners beat there by a good margin.
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  • One thing to keep in mind is that pass rush is closely linked to secondary performance, and the 49ers have a far superior pass rush to us. If you stick the 49ers secondary on the Seahawks and use them effectively/their best way, I think you'd see a very large discrepancy.

    No way do I put the Seahawks LBers on par with the 49ers, though. I think Swagner (I love that name for Bobby Wagner) might just be the next elite LB this league sees, but he's not there right now and we don't know if he will be; but daaaaaaaamn, is he looking good lately. K.J. Wright has been a very nice surprise, too.
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