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 Post subject: Bobby Wagner
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Bobby's starting to look like yet another home run draft pick. He has been mentioned quite a lot in the DRoTY discussion and after yesterday's monster game, he could quite possibly be the clear forerunner. This kid has quietly performed at an elite level. I wonder if he's getting any Pro Bowl consideration from the mediots.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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You can see the progression. First, he was making tackles, then he gets to call the defense.

Now he's making impact plays and getting turnovers.

Next up is run gap discipline, making plays behidn the los more often, and sharpening up the coverage. Then we will have our own "Willis lite" on the roster.


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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He is definitely an overall improvement to our LBs but the run gap discipline needs a lot of work. I'm not too concerned because I think that can be coached out of him.

Who is his main competition for DROY? The end from NE? I know Irvin has more sacks than him so I don't see it there...


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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He is definitely an overall improvement to our LBs but the run gap discipline needs a lot of work. I'm not too concerned because I think that can be coached out of him.

Who is his main competition for DROY? The end from NE? I know Irvin has more sacks than him so I don't see it there...


Keuchly, I think. He's got more tackles, but only one sack and one INT. I think Wags'll take it in the end, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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You can see the progression. First, he was making tackles, then he gets to call the defense.

Now he's making impact plays and getting turnovers.

Next up is run gap discipline, making plays behidn the los more often, and sharpening up the coverage. Then we will have our own "Willis lite" on the roster.


I would definitely like to see him making more plays behind the LOS as he has the speed to catch guys from behind. Aside for a few games where he was specifically targeted in the run game, I think his gap discipline has been pretty good. What most amazes me is his ability to stand up to 300+ pound guards blocking him.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Wow....just did a little stat looking up on NFL.com


Tackles PDEF INT
116 6 1
109 7 3

One of those players is Bowmann from the Niners, the other is Wagner.


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Perhaps not to be overlooked is playing the last 2 games next to M. Smith. If I remember correctly he has Cornerback speed in the 4.4 Range. That has to help. Wagners problems has never been one of ability. He just needed to read and then react not the other way around.

What has surprised me about him is his pass coverage improvements and growth. Last week he had a spotty game in Chicago. He looked excellent at it yesterday


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Perhaps not to be overlooked is playing the last 2 games next to M. Smith. If I remember correctly he has Cornerback speed in the 4.4 Range. That has to help. Wagners problems has never been one of ability. He just needed to read and then react not the other way around.

What has surprised me about him is his pass coverage improvements and growth. Last week he had a spotty game in Chicago. He looked excellent at it yesterday


He's passed the eye test for me since the Cowboys game. I have noticed his coverage skills greatly improving as well. He can run stride for stride with pretty much any TE in the league.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Bobby is going to blow past Tatupu's first year with the Hawks in terms of production.

Wagner- 109- total tackles, 2-sacks, 4- passes defended, 3- INT's
Tatupu- 104- total tackles, 3-sacks, 6- passes defended, 3-INT's, 1- TD

He's virtually there already but has 3 more games to add to his totals. Wagner is the man and I think he's developing very nicely. Very exciting to see. I also love what I'm seeing out of Macolm Smith, I hope he continues to play the rest of the year.


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As the game keeps slowing down for him, you will see him making more and more plays. We stacked a lot on his plate to start the season as a rookie - he's now organically becoming a play maker.

He will keep getting better and better.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Wagners should have another int, but it was taken away by a llama penalty.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Bobby is going to blow past Tatupu's first year with the Hawks in terms of production.

Wagner- 109- total tackles, 2-sacks, 4- passes defended, 3- INT's
Tatupu- 104- total tackles, 3-sacks, 6- passes defended, 3-INT's, 1- TD

He's virtually there already but has 3 more games to add to his totals. Wagner is the man and I think he's developing very nicely. Very exciting to see. I also love what I'm seeing out of Macolm Smith, I hope he continues to play the rest of the year.


This is pretty impressive, especially considering how highly most of us think of Lofa's rookie year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Man did he have a great game, and season for a rookie mike. Heater who?


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Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but I think Wagner should beat out Kuechly for DROY. Stats aside, isn't it more impressive for a rookie to be commanding a great defense than a terrible one? The Panthers D is truly awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Man did he have a great game, and season for a rookie mike. Heater who?


Heater... Heater... The name rings a bell, but I just can't remember.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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LB's beat out Secondarys in DROY.

I remember that Bills player had about 8 INT and still didn't win DROY.

But Harrison Smith is a Safety and has 3 INT with 2 INT TD's.


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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razgriz737 wrote:
Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but I think Wagner should beat out Kuechly for DROY. Stats aside, isn't it more impressive for a rookie to be commanding a great defense than a terrible one? The Panthers D is truly awful.


I was thinking the same thing. Kinda thinking the same thing for Wilson on offense, if we make a deep playoff run, wouldn't that be even more impressive?


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Man did he have a great game, and season for a rookie mike. Heater who?


Heater... Heater... The name rings a bell, but I just can't remember.


Say what you will about the player, but he had a phenomenal nickname!

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Wagner
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Harrison Smith (S, MN) is having a good year too but its between Wagner and Kuechly IMO.


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“For Defensive Rookie (of the Year), three linebackers stepped in from day one and became tackling machines – Carolina’s Luke Kuechly, Seattle’s Bobby Wagner and Tampa Bay’s Lavonte David. Cornerback Casey Hayward of the Packers has been a star from about Week 4. Linemen Chandler Jones of New England (outside) and Derek Wolfe of Denver (inside) have provided consistent pressure since Week 1. Safety Harrison Smith of Minnesota is already one of the most instinctive safeties in the league. For now, for the wins and the leadership and filling a gaping hole, I’ll take Wagner of the Seahawks.” – Peter King in his “Monday Morning Quarterback” at SI.com


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