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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:26 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    SEC FAN wrote:Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.

    skater18000 wrote:The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...


    This seems incredibly wishful. I expect three quarterbacks to go in round one of the draft as things stand today (Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson) and there's another QB out there that not many people are talking about who could get into the mix (David Fales at San Jose State). Plus, there are other logical options who could go in round two or three (Aaron Murray, Mike Glennon and Landry Jones). So really, while there's no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this class, there are still plenty of options.

    I'm not sure who these teams are you think might be willing to trade a second rounder. Kansas City's second rounder is going to be the #33 or #34 overall pick. They are not trading that for Matt Flynn. They are also unlikely to go for a 28-year-old career backup after years of 'getting by' at QB. Buffalo have just wasted a lot of money on Ryan Fitzpatrick - a player not completely unlike Flynn. The New York Jets have millions tied into Sanchez and good luck selling Matt Flynn as the answer to that fan base. Jacksonville's owner appears to like flashy statement-type moves. I see him trading for Tebow (ticket sales) before Flynn. Philly might as well go with Foles. Arizona and Seattle aren't going to do this trade as division rivals.

    So who's trading a second rounder for Flynn?


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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:55 pm
  • Even the ravens if Joe flacco won't resign, but that's highly unlikely
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:18 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    SEC FAN wrote:Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.


    Okay, I figured that. Skater, seriously man....and this goes for anyone out there. You want to trade/fire anyone, then give me your answer too. You wanna trade Flynn, fire Carroll, whatever, then you better have a better answer to take that spot. Their is a reason why Carroll/Schneider kept guys like Kelly Jennings and Marcus Trufant......they didn't have a better answer!!!!!! So when you want to ship off Matt Flynn than the least you can do is provide the answer.

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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:42 pm
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:53 pm
  • Excuse me BUT even though I loved that Flynn got in the game and showed something. He is not RW. I remember in the preseason all the Flynn supporters downplaying RW because he was playing in the second half against 3rd and 4th strings (BTW there are no 4th strings) Anyways it was good to see Flynn play. I am stoked we have a good backup but he did it against a demoralized team that had quit on the game against second stringers and firsts who were going through the motions. So if it was good enough to poo poo it in the pre season with RW we can do the same here. Do not get me wrong. I am stoked absoulutly stoked we have one of the best backups in the league. But as long as we have RW that is exactly what he is a BACKUP.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:54 pm
  • SEC FAN wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    SEC FAN wrote:Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.


    Okay, I figured that. Skater, seriously man....and this goes for anyone out there. You want to trade/fire anyone, then give me your answer too. You wanna trade Flynn, fire Carroll, whatever, then you better have a better answer to take that spot. Their is a reason why Carroll/Schneider kept guys like Kelly Jennings and Marcus Trufant......they didn't have a better answer!!!!!! So when you want to ship off Matt Flynn than the least you can do is provide the answer.

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    So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:20 pm
  • skater18000 wrote:So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2


    You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.

    Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:29 pm
  • Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

    Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:40 pm
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    skater18000 wrote:So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2


    You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? [/quote]

    And a 2nd rounder and about $5,000, 000 of cap room back... btw great teams don't have great backups, I want a quarterback that can win 7-9 (TJack) Tjack is a great fit as a backup and the only reason heist the backup right now is because we stole a conditional from the bills... haha... he could come back...

    [/quote]We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best.

    Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:55 pm
  • skater18000 wrote:And a 2nd rounder and about $5,000, 000 of cap room back... btw great teams don't have great backups, I want a quarterback that can win 7-9 (TJack) Tjack is a great fit as a backup and the only reason heist the backup right now is because we stole a conditional from the bills... haha... he could come back...


    Okay this is getting stupid. TJack isn't even the number 1 backup on a horrible Bills team. Great teams don't have good back ups? Like when Walsh picked up Young from the USFL to back up Montana, Rams picked up Warner from Arena Football to back up Trent Green, Patriots had Brady in the 6th I believe to back up Bledsoe, Stealers had Rapistburger to back up O'Donnell. Even when I was a little kid I remember Doug Williams, Frank Reich, and Hostetler were back ups who won/went to SuperBowls.

    Like I said my friend the coaches already prefer Flynn over TJack so your TJack dreams need to go. That choice has been made. LOL, some Seattle people get so attached to sentimental guys like TJack. Reminds me of Seneca Wallace SMH.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:00 pm
  • captSE wrote:Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

    Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.


    We'll see.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:29 pm
  • We aren't getting a 4th for him no way, no how. I say keep him and try and get him to restructure that deal sometime in a future offseason.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:44 am
  • ak3000 wrote:He still needs to trade helmets with Giacomini


    I freakin' LOLed on that one. :mrgreen:
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:57 am
  • skater18000 wrote:The Raiders!!!! Vikings, Jets, Jaguars, Browns, Chargers, Chiefs, Bills... In that order...


    The Raiders aren't going to give up a high pick after they recently gave two firsts for Carson Palmer.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 am
  • There's no way Flynn is on this roster next year. His contract is too much for a backup QB. I honestly think we'll cut him after this year. Who wants to trade for an old career backup?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 am
  • Flynn didn't look half bad out there today. I'd trade him in a second for the right deal. I'd take TJ! and a 5th.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 am
  • All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:27 am
  • skater18000 wrote:All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

    Alright.

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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:33 am
  • Gotta say, Flynn today reminded me of (a 2003-2004) Hasselbeck, just his style his reads, the way he moves, quick decisions, etc. Even though I don't think Flynn had great stats, he looked good, looked ready, and I would be confident he could perform well if called upon with a game in the balance.
    Flynn's salary cap money is a bit of a problem though, but probably not that much given that Wilson is making peanuts. I expect PC/JS to absolutely keep Flynn next year, or two, unless some unbeatable offer comes along, or a good backup gets drafted later in the draft.
    This year, there were some sleeper gem rookies, several of which are now playing--Kirk Cousins in Washington, Nick Foles in Philly, and darned if there isn't one more I can't immediately think of (besides Ryan Lindley), but IIRC, all were 3rd-4th-5th-roundish or later. So I'd expect PC/JS will look to pick up a Kirk Cousins-type player in the the 4th-6th round in the next draft(s) and have a good backup plan already in place before even considering trading Flynn.

    Oh yeah, and does anyone remember Gary Kubiak before he was the coach of the Texans? Remember what else he was? (Drum roll...)
    Yeah, that's right, he was John Elway's backup. And every time that Elway missed a game for the Broncos against the Seahawks, it seemed like Kubiak came in and played as well or better than Elway would have, and the Broncos beat the Seahawks every time I can recall that Kubiak started.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:37 am
  • Why is it that Flynn has to go again?


    Is there some etched-in-stone reason other than he makes a little money? I like Flynn on this roster and either want him right where he is or beating out Wilson in camp.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:57 am
  • captSE wrote:Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

    Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.


    Aaron Rogers as well... brady behind bledsoe!! a lot of good backs ups waited to get there shot.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:12 am
  • Flynn hasn't played since pre-season made some nice throws and showed some ability to escape a pass rusher, he can play. They should be able to get a third round pick for him.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:21 am
  • skater18000 wrote:All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

    Why do I have the feeling we'll be seeing this quote for a while much like the one of cboom's about Russ we see all the time?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:26 am
  • i dont know what game you were watching but he missed a couple of easy td passes.. notice how our drives started to stall and we started kicking fg after fg when he came in.. im not gona say he looked terrible.. cuz he didn't.. but for a guy to come in with a 40somethin point lead and not be able to score on that defense.. he didnt do great. oh yeah and id rather we punt the ball then have our number 1 receiver take a hit like he did.. very lucky he wasn't injured there....
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:39 am
  • trade him and bring back tjack as a backup!!! holla
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:42 am
  • Do you people actually watch the game ? Flynn "missed" that first TD pass because it was tipped at the line. Wilson also had one tipped at the line, but since he walked on water after that, I guess it didn't matter. Flynn also had two passes dropped.

    The knock on Flynn was that he isn't athletic, has a noodle arm, and limited experience. I saw evidence of none of that last game. A defender had him dead to rights; Flynn broke the tackle and made a play. This guy hasn't had starting practice reps all regular season. He had a better completion percentage than Wilson. The Cardinals might've "given up", but they were still A gap blitzing the shit out of Flynn, and he handled it fine. He almost got a 1st down on 4th and forever, when teams know it's coming. Yes, he has a limited sample size, but at some point, EVERY time he comes in, and he looks good, maybe it's cuz he's good.

    I see a lot of people saying "we've gotta trade Flynn....he makes too much money". Really ? We can keep Flynn for one simple reason: we have a starting QB that is getting paid 3rd round money. Seriously, we're not even paying late 1st round money for Wilson. You can't ever get a starting QB for that money. We can fit both on the roster if needed.

    Oh, FLynn had almost no interest in the FA market. Well, you had Manning, which had everyone chasing after him. Then, you have probably the best QB top heavy draft in the last decade. If you're Indy, Waash, Stl (didn't need a QB), you're going after Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, etc. Like someone said, FLynn is 28....go after a younger guy is sometimes preferrable. I think his market is in the iddle of "he aint worth a 4th rounder" and "he's worth Fitz and a 1st rounder".

    And seriously, how would he not be worth a 4th rounder ? I don't konw many teams that wouldn't give up a 4th rounder for a sure quality backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:00 am
  • Hawks46 wrote:Do you people actually watch the game ? Flynn "missed" that first TD pass because it was tipped at the line. Wilson also had one tipped at the line, but since he walked on water after that, I guess it didn't matter. Flynn also had two passes dropped.

    The knock on Flynn was that he isn't athletic, has a noodle arm, and limited experience. I saw evidence of none of that last game. A defender had him dead to rights; Flynn broke the tackle and made a play. This guy hasn't had starting practice reps all regular season. He had a better completion percentage than Wilson. The Cardinals might've "given up", but they were still A gap blitzing the shit out of Flynn, and he handled it fine. He almost got a 1st down on 4th and forever, when teams know it's coming. Yes, he has a limited sample size, but at some point, EVERY time he comes in, and he looks good, maybe it's cuz he's good.

    I see a lot of people saying "we've gotta trade Flynn....he makes too much money". Really ? We can keep Flynn for one simple reason: we have a starting QB that is getting paid 3rd round money. Seriously, we're not even paying late 1st round money for Wilson. You can't ever get a starting QB for that money. We can fit both on the roster if needed.

    Oh, FLynn had almost no interest in the FA market. Well, you had Manning, which had everyone chasing after him. Then, you have probably the best QB top heavy draft in the last decade. If you're Indy, Waash, Stl (didn't need a QB), you're going after Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, etc. Like someone said, FLynn is 28....go after a younger guy is sometimes preferrable. I think his market is in the iddle of "he aint worth a 4th rounder" and "he's worth Fitz and a 1st rounder".

    And seriously, how would he not be worth a 4th rounder ? I don't konw many teams that wouldn't give up a 4th rounder for a sure quality backup.


    I wouldn't trade him for a 4th unless you want to make sure he's out of the division. He's worth a third imo. I think he's going to be a good QB for someone he'd be a huge upgrade for a team like Arizona and your 100 percent correct the ball was tipped or it would have been six.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:06 am
  • So... who's going to trade for Flynn? Arizona? Another old backup QB? No.

    Philadelphia? Nick Foles or drafting. Minnesota? The Jets? Jacksonville? Oakland? Kansas City?

    I don't see any of these teams trading a lot for Kolb... I mean, uh Flynn. Flynn has looked OK at best.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:08 am
  • I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:13 am
  • I get a little feisty when people post on here "Facts" on their arguments, and I've read 3 times that Flynn "missed" that 1st throw.

    I wouldn't trade Flynn at all, unless I could get a 2nd for him, and there was a QB in the 2nd round that I knew could come in and play. If Wilson gets hurt, and Flynn is gone, who do we have ? You want ugly....that's ugly. And scary. My point was that a solid backup that can get you wins is easily worth a 4th rounder. GM's in this league know it too.....look around. How many QBs have been hurt this year ? People castigated SHanahan (which is one of the best offensive minds in football) about drafting 2 QBs. Cousins already validated that pick in one half of one quarter. Our resident draft experts liked Cousins, at least a lot of the ones I read on this site did.

    I'm just saying, in looking at how he comes in and plays, while sitting on the bench the entire season, he always plays well. At NE, as a rookie, he played very well. And NE's defense was better back then. Vs. Detroit, he had a career day. Sure, Detroit's secondary is bad, but they have an elite DL. Look what they did to us, and our run game. Then he gets limited time here. Yup, it was a Cards team that had "given up". They were still blitzing the crap out of him. He changed the run calls a few times to a different side, completed 55% of his passes, and looked pretty polished.

    I'm of the opinion that you can only make so many excuses for a guy, and you can only make so many against a guy. Problem is, he'll be too old before it's mainstream knowledge. I feel as bad for him, as I feel good for Wilson. Sadly, when soemone wins, someone else has to lose.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:16 am
  • The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's, and his salary is low enough for any team desperate to bring in a QB to challenge for a starting job to take a look at trading for him.

    The question is a 3rd or 4th round pick worth it for the Hawks to give up the security of having a very good backup QB.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:18 am
  • General Manager wrote:I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.


    Richard Sherman was a 5th. I would much rather have someone on the team that can contribute.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:21 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:22 am
  • To me the only way that trading Flynn is worth it is if we get a draft pick and then use that pick or a LOWER pick for a rookie qb that we think is able to play. (a third round guy that we think can play is worth it for the lower salary)

    Look at the Bears last year - no backup
    Look at Oakland last year about to go playoff qb injured - desperation trade that is costing them


    Look at Redskins yesterday - we will see if Cousins is any good but he was able to come in and play for them and tie the game
    Look at Bears THIS year - still no backup
    Look at 49ers this year - crushes Bears with a competent backup

    We have to have a backup that is able to not just take the ball from the Center but to WIN games. If that is Flynn at $10 million (I don't care about the real number) or if that is a drafted kid I don't care but it should not be guy that to me has proven that he can't have this team winning in the playoffs......

    Remember Russell is not making any real money for the next 2 years (plus this season) so the qb position is still "cheap" regardless of how you look at it.......
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:24 am
  • 3 pages about the back up QB, only in Seattle...
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:26 am
  • loafoftatupu wrote:Why is it that Flynn has to go again?


    Is there some etched-in-stone reason other than he makes a little money? I like Flynn on this roster and either want him right where he is or beating out Wilson in camp.


    This. I don't want to trade him for a mid round draft pick and end up with a crappy backup QB either via the draft or free agency.

    We have a good situation with 2 quality QB's. I don't want to end up having to put in a Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky type backup.

    Honestly, the only realistic situation right now is if we could get T Jack back as a backup i'd be ok with it. I'm totally comfortable with TJ as a backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:28 am
  • skater18000 wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

    I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

    And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


    The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...


    That's not going to happen. NO ONE is giving a 2nd rounder for a career backup who was average yesterday. He missed Baldwin on a TD throw, didn't even give him a chance to make the play. His best play was the play to Rice where he got blasted. He ended with a 79.9 rating and 7.6 YPA. That T-Jack territory. In his 2 drives of the 3rd quarter we failed to score a TD dispite BOTH drives starting inside Arizona's 32 yard line due to turnovers.

    But I agree with several who don't want to trade Flynn. He's a good backup and I hope we keep him... I think keeping him is worth more than a 4th round pick and an unstable backup QB situation. Unless they resign Portis and beleive he's the long term answer as a backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:39 am
  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    General Manager wrote:I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.


    Richard Sherman was a 5th. I would much rather have someone on the team that can contribute.


    And what happens if Wilson gets hurt and we don't have a good backup QB were screwed that's what, not buyin that arguement. They should keep him if they can if not trade him out of the division.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:43 am
  • I just think that backup QB is really important these days. We have seen what happens when backups get extended play with Wallace. I for one would like the dropoff to be minimal. If we were to lose Russ, even for 1 game it would cost us severely if we didn't have that good backup.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 am
  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.


    20% of NFL QB's is eight starting QB's.

    It's not a stretch for me to say that if you dropped Flynn in for any of these QB's, he'd do better.

    - Gabbert
    - Palmer
    - Weeden
    - Sanchez
    - Cassel
    - Skelton/Lindley
    - Locker
    - Henne

    So NOT A STRETCH that any of these teams wouldn't consider giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Flynn into camp to compete for a job.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:57 am
  • Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:58 am
  • Some here getting a bit testy and over wrought cause not everyone agrees with them?


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    We're just talking here,,,,no more coffee for those of you that take Flynn's value up/down to seriously.

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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:01 am
  • Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:15 am
  • redhawk253 wrote:i dont know what game you were watching but he missed a couple of easy td passes.. notice how our drives started to stall and we started kicking fg after fg when he came in.. im not gona say he looked terrible.. cuz he didn't.. but for a guy to come in with a 40somethin point lead and not be able to score on that defense.. he didnt do great. oh yeah and id rather we punt the ball then have our number 1 receiver take a hit like he did.. very lucky he wasn't injured there....


    Hmmm... I seem to remember another Seahawks QB having some issues with easy TD passes being dropped on his first game... Against AZ no less.

    I liked Flynn as QB1 at first, but it's clear Wilson has won the job. Some of you guys should ease up on Flynn--he's not a threat to your guy anymore.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:17 am
  • Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:23 am
  • It's clear Wilson has earned the right to be our QB. With that said, I still think Flynn can also be a top 10 QB in this league, so I hope he doesn't end up on a division rival at some point.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:33 am
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.


    I'd also love to keep him as a backup, but his salary doesn't fit with that..........therefore a decision will have to be made to trade him or restructure his contract. My guess is Flynn won't go for the restructure, so the Hawks will have no choice but to trade.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:42 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.


    I'd also love to keep him as a backup, but his salary doesn't fit with that..........therefore a decision will have to be made to trade him or restructure his contract. My guess is Flynn won't go for the restructure, so the Hawks will have no choice but to trade.

    Especially since some important players will need to be re-signed in the near future. Guys like Sherman are going to see a huge pay increase.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:00 pm
  • Hawks46 wrote:Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?


    Better than half the quarterbacks in the NFL? Based on what?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:06 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    T-Sizzle wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.


    20% of NFL QB's is eight starting QB's.

    It's not a stretch for me to say that if you dropped Flynn in for any of these QB's, he'd do better.

    - Gabbert
    - Palmer
    - Weeden
    - Sanchez
    - Cassel
    - Skelton/Lindley
    - Locker
    - Henne

    So NOT A STRETCH that any of these teams wouldn't consider giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Flynn into camp to compete for a job.


    -Gabbert and Henne play on the same team
    -Cassel is the backup
    -Skelton/Lindley are backups
    -Weeden was drafted in the first round by the browns, the browns didn't even bother entertaining Flynn. Why would they want him now?

    I actually don't think anyone on your list would do better than Flynn in their same situation.
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