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 Post subject: Re: That Miami game was the first time, in years,
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I had them pegged for the Superbowl this year.


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Oh my god. Thanks for that Montana. That sh%$ is funny.

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Yeah for some reason this one stung. I was pissed as hell and just felt dejected. Usually I'd watch the morning, afternoon, and Sunday night game. But after this loss I just shut the TV off. Didn't even bother watching the Monday Night game either. I almost felt like I'd had enough of football. Then news of the Sherm and Browner suspensions and now the Earl Thomas fine. It just keeps getting better!

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I agree Ryan. This loss was 2nd on my list of most sickening. And to me, it isn't all on Pete, but shared between all the coaches and players. It truly was a dreadful display of many aspects of the team.

I'm not even sure if a win in Chi-town vindicates that woeful display of ineptness.


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Had a couple of Makers Mark shots and got to looking at stats. I think, Pe, is on to something.

The offense is ranked #27 total.

Wilson is #12 (93.9) in rating and Lynch is #3 (1051 yds).

Something is out of whack.

By comparison, Houston has Foster at #2 (1064 yds), Schaub at #9 (94.4) yet they are #3 in total offense.

They are 10-1. We are 6-5. We have a top 5 D, they are #6.

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I see Lynch at 3 and Martin at 4 (by a yard)..but that is inconsequential to my argument.

And you made me type inconsequential after shots!

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Oh c'mon, we all saw kearly's pre-season paean to Russell Wilson before he'd even played a single game. To sum up my feeling when I saw it:

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This loss took a lot out of me, wrote in the the Bears score prediction thread a little about it. This season had a lot of promise I definitely thought our defense would be a top 5, Wilson looked exciting. I was running the Seattle marathon listening to the game on the radio, we had the lead in the fourth quarter but Miami was running all over us and we ended up losing, took all the wind out of my sails. This game and the Detroit game, we were the better team, we were favourites on paper and we fell short. I don't know what it is about road games that we just can't win, maybe it's the travel, who knows but we can't win on the road even games we are favourites.

So we go into Soldier Field where we most likely lose the game, sit at 0.500 with 4 games left. I haven't played around with any of the playoff simulators yet but we will need to be 9-7 or 10-6 to get a wildcard, so that's winning 3 of our last 4 games which would be tough for anyone regardless of home/away.

I don't really know what to make of this team at this point, maybe Sunday night I'm rambling on about how great they looked and being 7-5 with 4 games left etc, this team is the most schizophrenic consistent team.


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I had them pegged for the Superbowl this year.


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To be fair, every cat I've ever talked football with has answered with this look. Pussies just don't understand the pigskin. ;) :D

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Had a couple of Makers Mark shots and got to looking at stats. I think, Pe, is on to something.

The offense is ranked #27 total.

Wilson is #12 (93.9) in rating and Lynch is #3 (1051 yds).

Something is out of whack.


Wilson is also 26th overall in passing yards and averages 186 yards a game. Rating is highly overrated. He's making a lot of safe throws (which is good you don't want him to turn it over obviously), but they're playing very conservative.

That likely falls more on the play-calling than the player. They need to take the chains off this guy and ride or die with him. The fact they didn't do that against a Miami defense that is now 26th overall against the pass, is mind blowing.

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A loss so disgusted me, I tuned out from ALL sports-related nonsense entirely for a few days. I'm still so pissed off, on so many levels. I know it’s a 4 year plan, and I'm very thankful for what Pete has built, but it's getting REALLY old.

Becoming a contender is right there, in front of them, if they so choose.

I’m still just as pissed.


I cant pinpoint exactly what is was about this game, other than I am always pissed after a loss, this one made me question why I put my heart and soul into this team. Shoot, it's Thursday and I am just now able to start thinking about the Hawks again, the performance was that deplorable. I had to have set a record and kicked more people off my bus this week. My regulars know not to talk about the Hawks after a loss, but even talking about the NFL would have earned you an ejection. The way the secondary was carved up after half time, you'd think the BB and RS were told of their suspensions during half-time. And Tru, I love ya man, but you'll never get anywhere just following a receiver around the field.

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Pete shared his thoughts in Wednesday's presser.
He says " I looked back at last week and there were some chances where we could have thrown the ball a little bit more, we really thought we were going to win the football game the way we were playing it and making sure we didn't give them a chance to win it, and uh, but, by the way he was playing and you look back and you completed 16 in a row and all that, there was no reason not to keep throwing it in that regard..."

He says there are no restrictions on Wilson right now.

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Pete shared his thoughts in Wednesday's presser.
He says " I looked back at last week and there were some chances where we could have thrown the ball a little bit more, we really thought we were going to win the football game the way we were playing it and making sure we didn't give them a chance to win it, and uh, but, by the way he was playing and you look back and you completed 16 in a row and all that, there was no reason not to keep throwing it in that regard..."

He says there are no restrictions on Wilson right now.


There better not be. Wilson is going to have to be at his best for us to make the playoffs. He's also going to need to be at his best if Lynch is going to run over opposing defenses over the next 5 games.

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Pete shared his thoughts in Wednesday's presser.
He says " I looked back at last week and there were some chances where we could have thrown the ball a little bit more, we really thought we were going to win the football game the way we were playing it and making sure we didn't give them a chance to win it, and uh, but, by the way he was playing and you look back and you completed 16 in a row and all that, there was no reason not to keep throwing it in that regard..."

He says there are no restrictions on Wilson right now.


There better not be. Wilson is going to have to be at his best for us to make the playoffs. He's also going to need to be at his best if Lynch is going to run over opposing defenses over the next 5 games.

Agree though I seriously question Pete's truthfulness. But yeah like Sarlacc83 said, there better not be any restrictions on Russ. Bills run D is the only soft one left on the schedule.

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Bevell's presser yesterday was less revealing. One reporter asked if they would open it up more, and Bevell kind of mocked the question, because it really is not specific enough. Opening up the passing game really is a blatantly dumb question. I think it was Ventrella who asked it. Bevell eventually ended up at "we aren't the Patriots", which isn't really an answer either.

I would have preferred somebody ask why the insistence on running on first down when it was clear that the Fins were keyed on it, but nobody did. Or ask how much audible freedom Wilson has, but our Seattle football media is not tough enough to ask those questions.

I don't think Seattle has the pass block personnel or the down field talent to be a team that passes to set up the run, so I understand the Patriots reference. But I do get the sense that the personnel groupings really do lock our offense into certain play calls. It's pretty hard to audible to a pass call when you are running 2 tight end sets or single tights with 2 backs, particularly when our offensive rhythm is so concentrated on running clock.

I will be monitoring this situation closely.

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Bevell's presser yesterday was less revealing. One reporter asked if they would open it up more, and Bevell kind of mocked the question, because it really is not specific enough. Opening up the passing game really is a blatantly dumb question. I think it was Ventrella who asked it. Bevell eventually ended up at "we aren't the Patriots", which isn't really an answer either.

I would have preferred somebody ask why the insistence on running on first down when it was clear that the Fins were keyed on it, but nobody did. Or ask how much audible freedom Wilson has, but our Seattle football media is not tough enough to ask those questions.

I don't think Seattle has the pass block personnel or the down field talent to be a team that passes to set up the run, so I understand the Patriots reference. But I do get the sense that the personnel groupings really do lock our offense into certain play calls. It's pretty hard to audible to a pass call when you are running 2 tight end sets or single tights with 2 backs, particularly when our offensive rhythm is so concentrated on running clock.


There's a happy medium between throwing it 60 times a game like the Pats, and the paltry 20-25 times a game like we do.

Sounds like Bevell's a little butthurt over continually being criticized with how predictable and run oriented our offense is, so he's being crusty in his press conferences. No we're not the Patriots, nor do we have the personnel to be..........but that doesn't mean the offense can't be more dynamic and less predictable.

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I thought our coaches did not adjust very well, I think if Pete was honest he would say he didn't think that Dolphins offense could score 14 points on us. But really we lost because Tru and Hill were rolling out a red carpet for every crossing route, and both of our lines got their asses kicked. I still think that Pete left 10 to 14 points sitting on the field by being so damn intent of chewing clock and running on first down/

It is really the first time I have thought Pete was all wrong in his approach to a game. It felt like he was trying to win a boxing match by proving his chin was the strongest.


Thats why I'm scared. It was okay when Lynch was the best player on the team. Now, Wilson's the best player on the Seahawks. Im not sure if Pete expected that or knows how to utilize that.



Damn well said Pe. You have reduced the angst I feel about this developing season in one paragraph. I really don't think Pete, with as much faith as he claims to have in Wilson, was really quite ready to have him progress as fast as it would seem he has. Let's hope all parties concerned put their heads together and start maximizing our potential before it's too late.


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I thought our coaches did not adjust very well, I think if Pete was honest he would say he didn't think that Dolphins offense could score 14 points on us. But really we lost because Tru and Hill were rolling out a red carpet for every crossing route, and both of our lines got their asses kicked. I still think that Pete left 10 to 14 points sitting on the field by being so damn intent of chewing clock and running on first down/

It is really the first time I have thought Pete was all wrong in his approach to a game. It felt like he was trying to win a boxing match by proving his chin was the strongest.


Thats why I'm scared. It was okay when Lynch was the best player on the team. Now, Wilson's the best player on the Seahawks. Im not sure if Pete expected that or knows how to utilize that.



Damn well said Pe. You have reduced the angst I feel about this developing season in one paragraph. I really don't think Pete, with as much faith as he claims to have in Wilson, was really quite ready to have him progress as fast as it would seem he has. Let's hope all parties concerned put their heads together and start maximizing our potential before it's too late.


I have a minor disagreement here. I think Pete is ecstatic that Wilson is progressing like he is. Lets face it, if all they wanted was a ball control dinker and dunker, we signed that guy from the Packers. They didn't start him because they saw Wilson's potential, right? That potential has just arrived a bit quicker than they thought it would. I can actually understand a little reluctance to believe what you are seeing on the field, and with that would come some reluctance to turn it loose. When Tom Brady won his first Super Bowl, he was still pretty under Belickick's thumb as far as playcalling went. It takes some time to know you can just turn your offense over to a young QB. I think that is kind of what Pliny is saying too.

My concern is more for next year, and the years beyond. Some pretty good coaches have been undone because they don't give up control as their QB grows. Pete hates turnovers more than cancer, so giving a QB room to grow is going to be hard for him.

I think there is still a little bit of overprotectiveness too. Pete has staked a lot of his reputation on the Russell Wilson (he is too short) gamble, so turning the little guy loose has some risk to it.

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Agreed Scotte, but banging your head against a literal wall for 2 quarters in a close game has its inherent risks too. I give PC a pass but it would seem to be a very valuable, albeit painful, lesson that shouldn't be ignored and I would think it would lead him to a little more introspection on his play selection down the road.


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A loss so disgusted me, I tuned out from ALL sports-related nonsense entirely for a few days. I'm still so pissed off, on so many levels. I know it’s a 4 year plan, and I'm very thankful for what Pete has built, but it's getting REALLY old.

Becoming a contender is right there, in front of them, if they so choose.

I’m still just as pissed.


STFU... I was at the game, it felt like a loss while I was there, unbelievable.

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A loss so disgusted me, I tuned out from ALL sports-related nonsense entirely for a few days. I'm still so pissed off, on so many levels. I know it’s a 4 year plan, and I'm very thankful for what Pete has built, but it's getting REALLY old.

Becoming a contender is right there, in front of them, if they so choose.

I’m still just as pissed.


STFU... I was at the game, it felt like a loss while I was there, unbelievable.


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Pete is going to have to let Russell play. I'd rather it be sooner or later. I was calling for it at halftime of that game to put the game on Russell's shoulders but he didnt do that. I love Pete even more than Holmgren honestly. But i want to see our team constantly attacking the other team on both sides of the ball. Our team is best when we are playing man to man not going to soft zone coverage to try not to lose. That last offensive drive t hat took us out of field goal position really worried me. You gotta go for the kill. Once again play to win not play to not lose. Then that busted coverage on Bess wth happened there? Look like to me Kam blew that one big time. Same thing in the detroit game when him and sherm got beat deep. Shit like that cannot happen. Once again though that is why i like man to man defense everyone is or should be accounted for at all times and your safeties can play with a lot more aggressiveness and instinct.


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A loss so disgusted me, I tuned out from ALL sports-related nonsense entirely for a few days. I'm still so pissed off, on so many levels. I know it’s a 4 year plan, and I'm very thankful for what Pete has built, but it's getting REALLY old.

Becoming a contender is right there, in front of them, if they so choose.

I’m still just as pissed.


STFU... I was at the game, it felt like a loss while I was there, unbelievable.


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Well, we can pass out of 2 TE sets. Take this game....Urlacher is good in coverage, but he's lost a few steps, Brigss (if he plays) was in a walking boot this week......Miller and McCoy really CAN take advantage of their LBers, especially in a base defense (although Chi runs mostly base defense, nothing too exotic). You can audible from a run play to a pass play easily in these formations, and I really thought we'd have been doing it more often already.

I don't know if Wilson is allowed to audible or not; sure didn't look like it at the Miami game. Thing is, maybe he does have it, and we're overestimating his ability right now. He's still a rookie, so while he's done damn good, maybe he still has some shortcomings we haven't seen yet, or are unaware of.


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I don't think Seattle has the pass block personnel or the down field talent to be a team that passes to set up the run, so I understand the Patriots reference. But I do get the sense that the personnel groupings really do lock our offense into certain play calls. It's pretty hard to audible to a pass call when you are running 2 tight end sets or single tights with 2 backs, particularly when our offensive rhythm is so concentrated on running clock.


Good observation. If Seattle did allow Wilson to audible pass in those formations, he'd probably end up throwing to his running back most of the time, which kind of defeats the purpose of the audible. This might be something the team needs to think about during the offseason.


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The funny thing is, I think it's the smartest prediction I've ever made. Seattle's statistics this season are actually perfectly on course with my expectations, and the statistics say they are a top 5 team in the NFL. People can react the way they want, but I know a championship caliber team when I see one. It's really just a question of "when" with these guys. When will everything fall into place? God knows this team is agonizingly close to that right now. If just two of those five excruciatingly close losses swing differently, Seattle is 8-3 right now instead of 6-5.

And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.


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The funny thing is, I think it's the smartest prediction I've ever made. Seattle's statistics this season are actually perfectly on course with my expectations, and the statistics say they are a top 5 team in the NFL. People can react the way they want, but I know a championship caliber team when I see one. It's really just a question of "when" with these guys. When will everything fall into place? God knows this team is agonizingly close to that right now. If just two of those five excruciatingly close losses swing differently, Seattle is 8-3 right now instead of 6-5.

And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.

Hope you're right Kip, but all championship teams have the ability to do what's necessary when it needs to be done to seal the win most of the time. At times the Hawks' offense has demonstrated the ability to do that by running the ball down the opposition's throat to run out the clock to end the game. On the other hand, the defense has demonstrated only the ability to give up a TD or a FG drive late, when they're needed most to stop the other team and seal the win, albeit in road games. Until that trend is reversed, a .500 team is what we're going to see IMO.

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And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.


To be fair, he's pretty riddled with it at this point.

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And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.


To be fair, he's pretty riddled with it at this point.

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STFU... I was at the game, it felt like a loss while I was there, unbelievable.


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kearly wrote:
And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.


To be fair, he's pretty riddled with it at this point.

(You know I love you kearly. Please be my BFF.)



STFU... I was at the game, it felt like a loss while I was there, unbelievable.


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The funny thing is, I think it's the smartest prediction I've ever made. Seattle's statistics this season are actually perfectly on course with my expectations, and the statistics say they are a top 5 team in the NFL. People can react the way they want, but I know a championship caliber team when I see one. It's really just a question of "when" with these guys. When will everything fall into place? God knows this team is agonizingly close to that right now. If just two of those five excruciatingly close losses swing differently, Seattle is 8-3 right now instead of 6-5.

And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.

At least half of our wins could have gone the other way as well, such is the NFL. Every NFL team has those "ALMOST" games, and stats are just that, stats. Games are won on the field, not on paper.


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The funny thing is, I think it's the smartest prediction I've ever made. Seattle's statistics this season are actually perfectly on course with my expectations, and the statistics say they are a top 5 team in the NFL. People can react the way they want, but I know a championship caliber team when I see one. It's really just a question of "when" with these guys. When will everything fall into place? God knows this team is agonizingly close to that right now. If just two of those five excruciatingly close losses swing differently, Seattle is 8-3 right now instead of 6-5.

And as far as giving Spiderman cancer, if he didn't like my writeup then he had it coming.

At least half of our wins could have gone the other way as well, such is the NFL. Every NFL team has those "ALMOST" games, and stats are just that, stats. Games are won on the field, not on paper.


Do you really think Kearly's unaware of that?

And I would challenge your claim that every NFL team has a streak of nine road games where they've either won resoundingly or lost by a touchdown or less.

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