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NFL is really heading towards a big, big fall.

The continued "pussification" of the game, ungodly expensive game tickets/concessions/parking, over priced merchandise . . .

Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the league in a long, long time. He's a joke.


No they wont lol. Thats the sad part. They can do whatever they want and people like you and me will still watch every game


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FlyingGreg wrote:
NFL is really heading towards a big, big fall.

The continued "pussification" of the game, ungodly expensive game tickets/concessions/parking, over priced merchandise . . .

Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the league in a long, long time. He's a joke.


No they wont lol. Thats the sad part. They can do whatever they want and people like you and me will still watch every game



Soooo...are we to test the "boil a frog theory"? Eventually, we end up with "glorified flag football" ....and we still pay $70 a seat to watch?


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FlyingGreg wrote:
NFL is really heading towards a big, big fall.

The continued "pussification" of the game, ungodly expensive game tickets/concessions/parking, over priced merchandise . . .

Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the league in a long, long time. He's a joke.


No they wont lol. Thats the sad part. They can do whatever they want and people like you and me will still watch every game



Soooo...we are are to test the "boil a frog theory"? Eventually, we end up with "glorified flag football" ....and we still pay $70 a seat to watch?


Ok I mean football is still played 99% the same way it was when Goodell came into power. Hes made relatively minor changes that havent really affected the game to any sort of meaningful degree. Let me know when he does (which he wont, everyone knows the money involved in the NFL) and Ill begin to believe we might end up with "glorified flag football."


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Ok I mean football is still played 99% the same way it was when Goodell came into power. Hes made relatively minor changes that havent really affected the game to any sort of meaningful degree. Let me know when he does (which he wont, everyone knows the money involved in the NFL) and Ill begin to believe we might end up with "glorified flag football."


Relatively minor changes...??

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Ok I mean football is still played 99% the same way it was when Goodell came into power. Hes made relatively minor changes that havent really affected the game to any sort of meaningful degree. Let me know when he does (which he wont, everyone knows the money involved in the NFL) and Ill begin to believe we might end up with "glorified flag football."


Relatively minor changes...??

Wow.


On a big picture level, yes. Extremely minor changes. The game is still played almost exactly the same. The kickoff moving in 10 yards is the biggest change I can think of him making, which barely changes the game at all except for creating fewer returns.


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This is ludicrous. Ridiculously ludicrous. I feel like the first dominoes are falling in my breakup with the NFL. Sad really


My thoughts exactly. Not the first dominoes though.

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That is beyond ridiculous. How does that hit warrant $15,000? Earl should have put condoms on his arms before hitting him, much safer that way.


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I predict - if this continues - that my 37-year love affair with the NFL will be over within ten years.

Ditto, only for me it's a 48 year love affair.
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Didn't I read somewhere on these boards that Kurt Warner thought it didn't even deserve a penalty flag? That from a former QB that was the (alleged) subject of a bounty being placed on him by the 'Aints.

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That is beyond ridiculous. How does that hit warrant $15,000? Earl should have put condoms on his arms before hitting him, much safer that way.



might be a necessary piece of equipment http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/28/brandon-marshall-says-some-nfl-players-use-viagra-as-a-ped/


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Next time Earl should just crush the quarterback. He's gonna get fined if he touches him anyways, might as well try and knock the crap out of the quarterback.


Gotta' agree. It's one thing to blow the call in game, but to fine him $15K after the fact and essentially saying "Yep, it's the right call" is crazy. So if you're getting flagged and fined whether you deliver a massive hit, or you hold up your momentum and gently tap them, you might as well knock them out of the game.


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Absolutely pathetic. The NFL office should be ashamed for handing out this fine.

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...and they wonder why people would rather watch from home. Why support this garbage?

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Next time Earl should just crush the quarterback. He's gonna get fined if he touches him anyways, might as well try and knock the crap out of the quarterback.


Gotta' agree. It's one thing to blow the call in game, but to fine him $15K after the fact and essentially saying "Yep, it's the right call" is crazy. So if you're getting flagged and fined whether you deliver a massive hit, or you hold up your momentum and gently tap them, you might as well knock them out of the game.


This is a valid point, if you get fined regardless (not that I'm advocating doing that, but I can see someone following that logic)...

...so does INTENT come into this at all or is it all 100% end result here (it's seeming that way so far). I didn't watch that play closely (bathroom break or whatever) so didn't really notice, but was Earl accurate when saying it was basically gravity and he FELL into him, or was there anything anyone saw that seemed that there was some sort of intent to hit him in the head?

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Next time Earl should just crush the quarterback. He's gonna get fined if he touches him anyways, might as well try and knock the crap out of the quarterback.


Gotta' agree. It's one thing to blow the call in game, but to fine him $15K after the fact and essentially saying "Yep, it's the right call" is crazy. So if you're getting flagged and fined whether you deliver a massive hit, or you hold up your momentum and gently tap them, you might as well knock them out of the game.

Seriously. The only lesson I'm getting from this is that if you're going to collide with them, make it count 'cause you're screwed either way.

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What happened is he jumps up (and not a straight up jump but towards the qb) and is airborne with arms up when the pass gets thrown. As he comes down he brings down both arms to cushion the blow (this is how it looks to me). So his arms / forearms make contact with the qb's helmet but it is clearly in an attempt to avoid the hit / not go helmet to helmet - a reaction just like protection yourself when falling on the ground.

So some idiot over at NFL maybe watched the one second impact and said - hands to the helmet fine him........


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I get the flag. It's technically within the rules, but you are opening Pandora's Box if you try to mix intent in the players' hits. So, Thomas was trying to make a play, and yea, it sometimes happens.

Like others have said, I think it's just plain said that the NFL comes and out tries to fine Thomas for it. Ludicrous.

I also get that the NFL has to make these changes. We all hate it, but they are in the middle of a very huge class action law suit with a bunch of former players suing the league for not taking this action on their watch, now that medical science has figured out the damaging cumulative effects of concussions on the human brain.

I have a feeling that if the NFL wins this lawsuit, we might see some of this ticky tack stuff go by the wayside. The NFL is always going to over protect the QBs since it is a QB driven league, and the quality of the product is much better with all the starting QBs in playing.


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this one is on merton hanks, not goodell.



Hanks initiates the fine, but I'm sure Goodell signs off on it, so yeah, Goodell deserves to get dumped on. He's going to ruin this beautiful game.


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The fine is total BS. Basically re-affirms refs can throw a flag for anything.

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We are witnessing the demise of the NFL before our eyes. There are several posters on this message board who might well write several paragraphs on this subject. Once we start down that "path"...there is no stopping.


Sadly, I think you are right. Makes it pointless to even build a defense anymore. While my love for the seahawks has increased, I am becoming less of a fan of the NFL overall.


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Why not just make a 2 yard rule around QB's. Just if you're within 2 yards of the QB he's down, that way he never gets hit, touched or breathed on.


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This is ludicrous. Ridiculously ludicrous. I feel like the first dominoes are falling in my breakup with the NFL. Sad really


Amen. This is why I watch way more college ball these days. The NFL has too many damn rules. No hits to the head, no hits below the knees, roughing the QB, pass interference a spotted foul, etc. In college they let them play more and the defense gets away with more. Its just more balanced. The pro's is more geared to supplement the offenses and give the offenses an advantage. When is the last time you saw an offensive player called for helmet to helmet, face mask, or the rarely called pass interference? You can't tell me the offensive players don't committ those fouls too.

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Anyone wonder why all of a sudden the fines, calls on us, the sudden testing and findings of drugs and attention has been on the extreme negitive since that 49er game?

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The sad thing is Earl could have spent twice the money and just kicked Tannehill in the junk to get him to drop the ball. That is the joke that has become the penalty and fine system in the NFL.

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Yay NFL!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102190/article/earl-thomas-fined-15k-criticizes-nfl-on-twitter?campaign=Twitter_atl

Pretty sad they still went and fined him for it. There's something wrong with the process. Anybody have a .gif of the "hit"? It was like the least malicious thing ever.


ok good people this is where you explain to me how the NFL is NOT trying to push the niners into the superbowl and hold back any team that poses a threat, drug tests? fines? sure I'm just paranoid.. lol

I've seen way worse hits from niners that didn't even draw a flag..

gonna say it again, "the league is a JOKE in terms of officiating and rules"

there's a huge problem with the officiating and penalties especially when it comes to CONSISTENCY!!!

but just be quiet about it people, sit down like good little sheep and ignore the corruption and bias, after all its good for you.

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This is utter bullshit.
What is stupid is that Earl could have t-boned him in the ribcage and just destroyed him and he would get no fine at all.

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Have they fined him for the tweet yet? Can't have the players criticizing the league now.

Only partly :sarcasm_off: .

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Anyone wonder why all of a sudden the fines, calls on us, the sudden testing and findings of drugs and attention has been on the extreme negitive since that 49er game?
This thought actually occurred to me and then I immediately dismissed it as paranoid.

I don't think it's paranoia to notice how big market teams and the east coast in general tend to have things "mysteriously" fall their way, like them getting scheduling considerations for traveling to play westward when West Coast teams have ALWAYS had to contend with that problem (albeit in the opposite direction).

A lot of people, and not just Packers fans, are still real pissed about that simultaneous catch ruling, which may be something else to throw into this whole bubbling cauldron...

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This is sickening, I cannot find the words. Are they high? What the hell? This league office is a travesty, they are wiping their asses with the game I love. Where did these morons come from and why are they running the NFL? They have zero idea what this game is about nor do they care about what has made football the sport in America for decades, this league is becoming an absolute joke.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102190/article/earl-thomas-fined-15k-criticizes-nfl-on-twitter?campaign=Twitter_atl

Pretty sad they still went and fined him for it. There's something wrong with the process. Anybody have a .gif of the "hit"? It was like the least malicious thing ever.


ok good people this is where you explain to me how the NFL is NOT trying to push the niners into the superbowl and hold back any team that poses a threat, drug tests? fines? sure I'm just paranoid.. lol

I've seen way worse hits from niners that didn't even draw a flag..

gonna say it again, "the league is a JOKE in terms of officiating and rules"

there's a huge problem with the officiating and penalties especially when it comes to CONSISTENCY!!!

but just be quiet about it people, sit down like good little sheep and ignore the corruption and bias, after all its good for you.


I had that thought today about how convienient they come after the two best corners in the league, just in time for the playoffs.Then give the best free safety in the league a ridiculous fine for not being able to stop himself in midair.


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I'm throwing up right now because of this.
This shit is getting so ridiculous that it makes me want to fly to Good ell's office and kill him with a dull butter knife.

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The worst part about this, that I haven't seen anybody else mention, its that it in effect cheapens the impact of actual malicious hits by making this hit somehow equivalent to those hits.

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Roger Goodell is not to blame. If you want to blame anybody blame all the ex players who are suiing the NFL for billions. They're the reason that the league is so ultra sensitive.

Personally, I dont care about the "pussification" of the game. I dont enjoy the game any less today because they're trying to protect players then I did a decade ago. In fact, i cant understand why any fans would be against rules that protect the players we love.

I thought it was very obviously against the rules and a penalty. I dont have any problem at all with that rule. I do think the fine is rather ridiculous, but honestly, I dont care because its not my money. And it most certainly does not ruin the NFL for me.

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Gentlemen... the NFL are in ass-saving mode. The media are ripe for the concussion issue, they've got THAT ball and are running with it. The media gets their story and the NFL is on the hook for billions in lawsuits from past, current and future players, their families and ancestors. Football concussion long-term effects is an ambulance chasers wet dream, likewise for class action lawyers. One way for the league to mitigate damages is for them to "get tough" on plays that might be considered blows to the head.

It's all about mitigating damages, and Earl is in the damage path.

Bullshit call, bullshit fine, bullshit rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Earl Thomas fined 15k for "hit" on Tannehill
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:11 pm 
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There was no mallice and contact was eventually incidental due to the impossibility to alter direction while player was still in the air. I am just dumbfounded by the decision to fine.

The even more disturbing thing is that in the NFL's little fiefdom they are the judge, jury, and executioner. There is no equitable means to try and present an appeal. Once that hammer falls you better get the checkbook ready.

The NFL is testing my fandom... To be continued...

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NFL is really heading towards a big, big fall.

The continued "pussification" of the game, ungodly expensive game tickets/concessions/parking, over priced merchandise . . .

Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the league in a long, long time. He's a joke.



This is why my hours of watching NFL games this year has been cut in half. I'm starting not to give a crap anymore.

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There was no mallice and contact was eventually incidental due to the impossibility to alter direction while player was still in the air. I am just dumbfounded by the decision to fine.




at what point does the QB assume some responsibility in avoiding injuries?

its a joke they can hang in there and even move towards the impending doom, fall down and flop like salmon then when the flag comes out they're suddenly all better..

what a joke this is becoming

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The sad thing is Earl could have spent twice the money and just kicked Tannehill in the junk to get him to drop the ball. That is the joke that has become the penalty and fine system in the NFL.


He totally should've!

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 Post subject: Re: Earl Thomas fined 15k for "hit" on Tannehill
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I've actually leaned more toward Goodell for cracking down on dirty hits, but this defies all logic and the intent of the parameters, IMO.

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This bullshit is making it exponentially more and more difficult to watch and support the NFL anymore. Not just because this happened to one of our guys, but anyone in the NFL.

Let's just call it the NFFL (National Flag Football League) and be done with it.

DISGUSTING.

This is where I'm getting to be. It seems like the NFL singles out those teams and players that aren't on the "money" teams and the NFL is looking more and more like a sham.

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Was watching All Access and they had a great shot of the "hit." Absolute BS, and the fact that the NFL fined him for it? Beyond BS! Pathetic.

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Illegal contact was a major change. Was that Goodell?

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