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I took acid when I was 17 and when I got home late from a concert my dad confronted me. I lied and told him I had bitten a chocolate bar that had lsd on it.

He wasn't buying it, and I am not buying what Sherman is selling.

Oh man, that must've been brutal. Here you come home all blazed on acid and your old man confronts you all pissed off and shit. Talk about ruining your buzz......

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Sherman should for once, in this case, keep his big mouth SHUT.


Dude, he made ONE Tweet since this news broke. He hasn't said anything in two days since that.

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Hate to remind you all this, but can't Lynch still get suspended for the DUI thing? They could really screw us and time that at the same time as Browner and Sherman...


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Hate to remind you all this, but can't Lynch still get suspended for the DUI thing? They could really screw us and time that at the same time as Browner and Sherman...


Lynch won't get suspended until the conclusion of the legal side of his case. He pleaded not guilty. It is currently making it's way through the courts. Earliest you can expect him suspended is next year.

Had he pleaded guilty, he likely would have faced his league punishment already.

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Hate to remind you all this, but can't Lynch still get suspended for the DUI thing? They could really screw us and time that at the same time as Browner and Sherman...


Lynch won't get suspended until the conclusion of the legal side of his case. He pleaded not guilty. It is currently making it's way through the courts. Earliest you can expect him suspended is next year.

Had he pleaded guilty, he likely would have faced his league punishment already.

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Sherman should for once, in this case, keep his big mouth SHUT.


Dude, he made ONE Tweet since this news broke. He hasn't said anything in two days since that.


Seriously. All this information is coming second hand. We literally know nothing.

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Well I am convinced they are innocent now! :sarcasm_off:

Seriously, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Especially Sherm


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Well I am convinced they are innocent now! :sarcasm_off:

Seriously, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Especially Sherm


Sherm hasn't said anything besides the single tweet.

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I took acid when I was 17 and when I got home late from a concert my dad confronted me. I lied and told him I had bitten a chocolate bar that had lsd on it.

He wasn't buying it, and I am not buying what Sherman is selling.

I don't know man,,I was drug tested for a job in Everett Wa. and came up positive, and everyone that knows me knows that I don't use ANYTHING that isn't prescribed by my Doc,,Hell, I don't even eat cupcakes with poppy seeds because that could produce a positive.
No, I ain't a goody-two-shoes T-totaler cuz I do drink my fair share, I just hadn't been useing/drinking prior to taking that test that came back saying otherwise.

I'm not saying that these guys aren't bullsh*ting, but I do know what it feels like to be wrongfully accused, so I am going to withhold my opinion for now.


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Here is a shocking suggestion: We wait for the facts.

Is that too much for people?

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Here is a shocking suggestion: We wait for the facts.

Is that too much for people?


Yes, that is too much for a lot of people.

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Here we go with another source, but right off of NFL.com's front page:

"There are indications, according to a source, that appellate hearings might not take place for several weeks, which would allow Browner and Sherman to compete through most of the regular season -- at the least. Players can continue to work until the entire appeal process is complete."


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Here is a shocking suggestion: We wait for the facts.

Is that too much for people?


Yes, that is too much for a lot of people.


Glad i wasn't around during the Duke Lacrosse Case.

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I have actually done the adderall in a water beverage more than a few times when i took the stuff. It seemed more effective to let it dissolve to help monitor my intake rather than having to break up the pill into smaller parts. I used mostly Gatorade since it helps rehydrate as you are dehydrating yourself from the pills.

It is possible that Sherman is telling the truth, though highly unlikely in my opinion. The problem is the league won't care either way. The strange coincidence to me only eludes to the fact that Browner and Sherman are boys, so they probably took it together. The appeals could be strategic as our FO probably thinks it's better to have them for the Chicago game, than our last game at home against the Rams. It also gives us time to get some sort of a game plan together with their absence. My guess is that they will both be suspended for our last 4 games.

For the record, the worst decision I have ever made in my life was to put that crap in my system. It truly can ruin your life.


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Basis4day wrote:
Here is a shocking suggestion: We wait for the facts.

Is that too much for people?


That's no fun. mindless speculation, hand wringing and worry worting, now that's where it's at!

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half-life is 10hrs; meaning if you ingest 30-40mg (common daily dosage for adults) at noon, you have 15-20mg in your system at 10p; 7.5-10mg at 8a following day, etc. Now, if you're taking it regularly, you're going to have a bit more of an issue getting clean quicker. Same goes for marijuana, opiates, etc.

Accidentally ingesting Adderall is a terrible, terrible argument.


Drug testing doesn't typically involve testing for the substance itself, but rather, the metabolites left in your system after it's been processed by your body. The metabolites of things like opioids, cocaine, meth, and prescription amphetamines are water soluble so they are carried out of your body quite rapidly through the renal system. Things like pot and barbiturates have fat soluble metabolites, causing them to be stored almost indefinitely in fat cells. Typical retention for fat soluble metabolites is two weeks but can be virtually any length of time if the individual in question is overweight or lives a sedentary lifestyle.

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Yeah, he did refute those "sources".

It would be smart of him to not say anything, that's for sure. Either they're dirty, or it's really fishy that both of our outstanding CBs got nailed at the same time, in the middle of a playoff race. Maybe there is something to all those conspiracy theories.


Ummmmmm.. No.
They are conspiracy theories for a season... There usually wrong and are used as an excuse for some fans who's teams lost or are pissed off at something.


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Yeah, he did refute those "sources".

It would be smart of him to not say anything, that's for sure. Either they're dirty, or it's really fishy that both of our outstanding CBs got nailed at the same time, in the middle of a playoff race. Maybe there is something to all those conspiracy theories.

didnt they get tested sometime in september not in the middle of our playoff race


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Here is a shocking suggestion: We wait for the facts.

Is that too much for people?


Yes, that is too much for a lot of people.




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Seriously. All this information is coming second hand. We literally know nothing.


You are right - since this is an internet forum we should go back to the normaly way of things and only comment on things supported by fact.............. oh wait :D


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I would rather they have one admit it, and one appeal. Get the suspension out of the way for one of them now...then, maybe we could lessen the impact of the suspensions and keep at least one of our top shutdown CBs out there at a time?

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I would go with the "They must have put steroids in the turkey that I ate" defense....... that is pretty believable to me


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thought I read somewhere Browner is already in a program for his 2005 Broncos abuse and he's tested 2-3 times weekly already, so thee was a 2 day window somewhere along the line where he slipped in some adderall and league was magically there to test him? doesn't make any sense, a false positive agent or adderall can easily be slipped into a beverage while your eating at a restaurant or wherever

something seems amiss about this entire situation especially in regards to Browner who i feel would NEVER jeopardize his career for a one time thing when he is already playing very, he doesn't need any enhancers and I highly doubt Sherman does as well, I feel if these two are to be evaluated then EVERY single player in the NFL is to be evaluated!

I call foul..

BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

just doesn't make any sense considering there are WAY better, safer and LEGAL performance enhancement methods out there!

sheesh, the right combinations of amino acids and you can acquire way better results with zero side effects, as long as you get the 6 to 3 ratio correct, way better brain function, more efficient metabolism and more.

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert but I will say about the only thing illegal steroids are good for any more is when a weight lifter or body builder who wants to put on a large amount of body mass in a SHORT period of time, again the negatives out weight the benefits even in that scenario, I know too many that have taken roids for that very same reason but discontinued due to side effects

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thought I read somewhere Browner is already in a program for his 2005 Broncos abuse and he's tested 2-3 times weekly already, so thee was a 2 day window somewhere along the line where he slipped in some adderall and league was magically there to test him? doesn't make any sense, a false positive agent or adderall can easily be slipped into a beverage while your eating at a restaurant or wherever

something seems amiss about this entire situation especially in regards to Browner who i feel would NEVER jeopardize his career for a one time thing when he is already playing very, he doesn't need any enhancers and I highly doubt Sherman does as well, I feel if these two are to be evaluated then EVERY single player in the NFL is to be evaluated!

I call foul..

BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

just doesn't make any sense considering there are WAY better, safer and LEGAL performance enhancement methods out there!

sheesh, the right combinations of amino acids and you can acquire way better results with zero side effects, as long as you get the 6 to 3 ratio correct, way better brain function, more efficient metabolism and more.

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert but I will say about the only thing illegal steroids are good for any more is when a weight lifter or body builder who wants to put on a large amount of body mass in a SHORT period of time, again the negatives out weight the benefits even in that scenario, I know too many that have taken roids for that very same reason but discontinued due to side effects

natural alternatives offer way better results for an nfl defender than any illegal steroid can offer, period! do some homework, visit a body building forum and see what they are using for enhancements, most are legal and beneficial to your health.


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I took acid when I was 17 and when I got home late from a concert my dad confronted me. I lied and told him I had bitten a chocolate bar that had lsd on it.

He wasn't buying it, and I am not buying what Sherman is selling.


Whoa dad! dude. Your face is like, melting. Sooo kewl. *BANG* *POW* *BOOM BOOM* out go the lights :thfight7:


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Largent80 wrote:
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Accidentally ingesting Adderall is a terrible, terrible argument.


It is like saying "I was in the room where they were smoking weed" for a positive test for it.

It just seems bizzarre that they both would be positive at the same day same time.


I'm curious how he knew it was an acid high? Except for purple haze, trippy, and Mr. Natural where I laughed at every stupid little thing for hours on end, one might be able to mistake the effects for anything. Unless of course he had some prior experience, catching your older siblings maybe? Or did they tell on you? :P

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He didn't know it was acid. But he knew I was flying. And it was Orange Sunshine, which always had a few "mega doses" mixed in a batch, and I got 1 of them.

Hell, moments before that I was in the bathroom looking at myself in the mirror and saw the towels hanging behind be in the mirror and they were flappin in the breeze, but there was no breeze !!!

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Read it takes around 13 hours to leave an adults system . Well whatever, maybe he drank out of Winston Guy's water bottle ?


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Regarding Browner. So he said he saw his urinalysis sample poured into a container other then the one he did the deed in?

There is absolutely NO WAY I would let that fly if it were me. It's hard to believe that is an acceptable practice in the NFL.

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I think we are all whistling in the wind. How many times have you seen the NFL back off these things?

Oh they might be able to cut the suspensions in half or so but doubtful they are going to be able to get off completely.

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That's what makes this so intriguing. Sherman is a guy who is very intelligent, and has never had an off field issue. He knows you can't beat or get around a positive test.

I find it really bizarre that they both tested positive at the same time....both starting CBs, and both in the middle of a playoff run.

The other bizarre thing is, they've both been very healthy, not coming off of injury or anything, and have both been playing at a very high level. They don't even need to cheat. The conspiracy theorist in my cries foul !


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BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

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this is 100% inaccurate. Thorazine is a heavy tranquilizing sedative used for psychotic disorders and severe bipolar disorder (it isn't even prescribed that much anymore, as there are better, newer alternatives), adderall is a stimulant and ADHD is not a hypertension disorder (high blood pressure?? really???) - Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - wow - this is an egregious flubbing if I've ever seen one. . . . .

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BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

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this is 100% inaccurate. Thorazine is a heavy tranquilizing sedative used for psychotic disorders and severe bipolar disorder (it isn't even prescribed that much anymore, as there are better, newer alternatives), adderall is a stimulant and ADHD is not a hypertension disorder (high blood pressure?? really???) - Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - wow - this is an egregious flubbing if I've ever seen one. . . . .

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Regarding Browner. So he said he saw his urinalysis sample poured into a container other then the one he did the deed in?

There is absolutely NO WAY I would let that fly if it were me. It's hard to believe that is an acceptable practice in the NFL.


I don't know this as a fact, just stating something I heard repeated on the radio in regards to the pouring issue. I heard this the other day, and can't recall who they were quoting, but said that an ex-player had told them that what happens is you give a large enough sample so there is enough for multiple tests. It is then separated into 2 or 3 containers (Sample A, Sample B and sometimes Sample C). If A turns up dirty, they can run a re-test on sample B if necessary. This may explain why they would pour the sample into a second container. Why this isn't done back in a secured lab, makes no sense to me though.

Anyway, please don't spread the above as fact. It's third hand information that I'm passing on for it's informational value as a possibility.

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They typically split it up into two containers (you guys didn't have to do drug tests for work?). BUT as far as for us at least those came out of sealed bags that were broken - test split up, you sign this tape that goes over the container so it can't be opened without breaking the seal.

2 containers - off to the lab start work on Monday or in this case - stay home for 4 weeks......

Since 1988 and Ben Johnson I have given the testing agencies the benefit of the doubt and all "i bought a supplement in the grocery story guys" the zero benefit of a doubt (and no I am not a Canadian but a used to like track and field which is way more stringent than any of the professional leagues)

I honestly don't care what they took or how they got it. IF they have positive A and B test sorry it is your fault.


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I think we are all whistling in the wind. How many times have you seen the NFL back off these things?

Oh they might be able to cut the suspensions in half or so but doubtful they are going to be able to get off completely.

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A ny giant had a 4 game one and it was reduced to none. Just this year.... Is rare though, true.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... -1.1210636

" Three Giants have blamed Adderall for positive drug tests this year, including safeties Tyler Sash and Will Hill, and running back Andre Brown. Brown won an appeal and did not have to serve a suspension."


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I don't see how Browner got caught up, somethings off about that to me.

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They typically split it up into two containers (you guys didn't have to do drug tests for work?). BUT as far as for us at least those came out of sealed bags that were broken - test split up, you sign this tape that goes over the container so it can't be opened without breaking the seal.


I took several urinalysis tests back in the 90's, and they never poured or separated it in front of me. They put the tape over the lid and had me sign it.

Now, all of our tests are done by hair samples.


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Twisted wrote:

BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

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this is 100% inaccurate. Thorazine is a heavy tranquilizing sedative used for psychotic disorders and severe bipolar disorder (it isn't even prescribed that much anymore, as there are better, newer alternatives), adderall is a stimulant and ADHD is not a hypertension disorder (high blood pressure?? really???) - Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - wow - this is an egregious flubbing if I've ever seen one. . . . .

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I wasn't going to touch this one...


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