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  • Yeah I don't get calling a 6 year vet (he's in year 7 now) a rookie.. especially since he had previous starter experience. At least in Hasselbeck's start he didn't start one game and only really had in-game experience when Green Bay would fake a field goal or when he'd come in in mop-up duty.

    I think what Lymon is saying is.. lets back off of Wilson's enshrinement into Canton. Lets hold off on calling him the next Montana or even the next Brees..

    If he develops into any of those things.. lets face it.. NO Seahawk fan alive is going to be pissed off about that, lol. But he's played ELEVEN games.. let's at least wait until he gets 3 years of starting under his belt before we go out throwing historical comparisons to the kid. And if he breaks some records this season.. that's good too.
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  • He is rewriting history with everything.he is doing. I fully plan on celebrating that and enjoying it all along the way. In my OP there was no disrepect meant....the reality is Wilson is putting up those numbers.....its a shame not to be excited.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:He's no troll. He's just sour today.


    I don't know. That point about the definition of what a rookie is is so stupid, it's got to be trolling. :|

    So now anytime I say anything that is just dumb, I get to claim I was trolling? I can work with that.
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  • Russel Wilson could break every passing record in the books. I love Hass like a brother but he never did that.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:He's no troll. He's just sour today.


    I don't know. That point about the definition of what a rookie is is so stupid, it's got to be trolling. :|


    Please explain. Perhaps you can tell me what the proper definition is for 'rookie' in professional sports?
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:He's no troll. He's just sour today.


    I don't know. That point about the definition of what a rookie is is so stupid, it's got to be trolling. :|


    Please explain. Perhaps you can tell me what the proper definition is for 'rookie' in professional sports?


    You used the label "Seahawks rookie" for 2 people who were in completely different stages of their career. You're not a rookie again just because you switch teams. Your previous experience is still just that, experience.
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  • BTW Russell Wilson is on pace for about 450 TD's, assuming he plays at a consistent level and is able to avoid injury for 17 seasons. Just FYI. NBD.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:He is rewriting history with everything.he is doing. I fully plan on celebrating that and enjoying it all along the way. In my OP there was no disrepect meant....the reality is Wilson is putting up those numbers.....its a shame not to be excited.


    What history have I been rewriting?
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  • Hasselbeck's rookie season with the Titans really was substantially better than Jake Locker's rookie season.
    Jerry Rice's rookie season with the Seahawks was very disappointing, though. As was Franco Harris's rookie season with the Seahawks.

    You know, Lymon is right, the word rookie is very versatile. I plan to use it much more.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    T-Sizzle wrote:He is rewriting history with everything.he is doing. I fully plan on celebrating that and enjoying it all along the way. In my OP there was no disrepect meant....the reality is Wilson is putting up those numbers.....its a shame not to be excited.


    What history have I been rewriting?


    You should really not need me to answer that for you.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    You used the label "Seahawks rookie" for 2 people who were in completely different stages of their career. You're not a rookie again just because you switch teams. Your previous experience is still just that, experience.


    You are correct. Hass' was in his third year when he came here. If you want to compare his rookie stats, you should start with his first year with GB......but that's not what happened, is it?
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
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    T-Sizzle wrote:He is rewriting history with everything.he is doing. I fully plan on celebrating that and enjoying it all along the way. In my OP there was no disrepect meant....the reality is Wilson is putting up those numbers.....its a shame not to be excited.


    What history have I been rewriting?


    You should really not need me to answer that for you.


    You made the comment, now please back it up, or admit you were fabricating 'facts.'
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  • Scottemojo wrote:Hasselbeck's rookie season with the Titans really was substantially better than Jake Locker's rookie season.
    Jerry Rice's rookie season with the Seahawks was very disappointing, though. As was Franco Harris's rookie season with the Seahawks.

    You know, Lymon is right, the word rookie is very versatile. I plan to use it much more.


    So, do you consider Hass' first year with Seattle as his rookie year?
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
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    You used the label "Seahawks rookie" for 2 people who were in completely different stages of their career. You're not a rookie again just because you switch teams. Your previous experience is still just that, experience.


    You are correct. Hass' was in his third year when he came here. If you want to compare his rookie stats, you should start with his first year with GB......but that's not what happened, is it?


    The original comparison had nothing to do with Hass being a rookie. It had to do with Hass being "arguably the best QB in franchise history." You're the one who got your panties in a bunch over it.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Hasselbeck's rookie season with the Titans really was substantially better than Jake Locker's rookie season.
    Jerry Rice's rookie season with the Seahawks was very disappointing, though. As was Franco Harris's rookie season with the Seahawks.

    You know, Lymon is right, the word rookie is very versatile. I plan to use it much more.


    So, do you consider Hass' first year with Seattle as his rookie year?

    Nope. He played for the Packers for two years.
    So really, with all that extra time to learn the game, and playing with the offensive genius that is Mike Holmgren, it is really a bit sad that he is being outclassed by a bona fide rookie.
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  • rook·ie
    n.

    2. Sports A first-year player, especially in a professional sport.


    Topps doesn't make rookie cards for when a player arrives on a new team.

    Russel is rewriting the recent history that no quarterback under 6' can play in the modern NFL, but I don't think that's what anyone was referring to.
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  • 12evanf wrote:
    rook·ie
    n.

    2. Sports A first-year player, especially in a professional sport.


    Topps doesn't make rookie cards for when a player arrives on a new team.

    Russel is rewriting the recent history that no quarterback under 6' can play in the modern NFL, but I don't think that's what anyone was referring to.


    And he's also rewriting the history books for every QB named Russell Wilson. Amazing!
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    12evanf wrote:
    rook·ie
    n.

    2. Sports A first-year player, especially in a professional sport.


    Topps doesn't make rookie cards for when a player arrives on a new team.

    Russel is rewriting the recent history that no quarterback under 6' can play in the modern NFL, but I don't think that's what anyone was referring to.


    And he's also rewriting the history books for every QB named Russell Wilson. Amazing!


    No, he's just writing that history for the first time, not rewriting it.
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  • He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    How DARE you insult Matthew Hasselbeck that way?!?!?!
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.

    Zeb, we have already been over this. You have to be excited just the right amount.

    Maybe if you ask nicely, Lymon and Hasselbeck will proofread all your posts, and they can check them for the proper amount of excitement.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Yes he is. But an alter dedicated to RW as a god? And you an atheist at that. :141847_bnono:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Yes he is. But an alter dedicated to RW as a god? And you an atheist at that. :141847_bnono:


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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.

    Zeb, we have already been over this. You have to be excited just the right amount.

    Maybe if you ask nicely, Lymon and Hasselbeck will proofread all your posts, and they can check them for the proper amount of excitement.


    :roll:

    Doubt Lymon is saying "don't be excited" .. and I know I sure am not.

    Just saying it's ridiculous to say he's already on his way to Canton when he hasn't even hit 300 yards passing in a single game yet.

    It'd be like someone making a "Robert Turbin already on his way to being best Seahawk RB ever!" thread.
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  • Funny, Sarlacc.
    I was thinking he forgot to have this:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Yes he is. But an alter dedicated to RW as a god? And you an atheist at that. :141847_bnono:


    I'm not an atheist. I just learned a long time ago that if somebody asks you if you're a god you say YES!
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    Scottemojo wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.

    Zeb, we have already been over this. You have to be excited just the right amount.

    Maybe if you ask nicely, Lymon and Hasselbeck will proofread all your posts, and they can check them for the proper amount of excitement.


    :roll:

    Doubt Lymon is saying "don't be excited" .. and I know I sure am not.

    Just saying it's ridiculous to say he's already on his way to Canton when he hasn't even hit 300 yards passing in a single game yet.

    It'd be like someone making a "Robert Turbin already on his way to being best Seahawk RB ever!" thread.

    Who said he is on his way to Canton?
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  • Scottemojo wrote:Who said he is on his way to Canton?


    Well.. the OP for one. Quite a few others.

    Those are the people Lymon and I are talking about. Not regular fans who are like "wow we may actually have a QB here!"
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  • Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?


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    Scottemojo wrote:Who said he is on his way to Canton?


    Well.. the OP for one. Quite a few others.

    Those are the people Lymon and I are talking about. Not regular fans who are like "wow we may actually have a QB here!"

    What is so inherently wrong about those people, though? Why do some on this board care about the extent to which others get excited?
    I'm happy about RW's performance, but I fully understand that he could never have another decent season for whatever reason. Yet, I don't feel this need to go around keeping the excitement of others in check.
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  • I still don't know where anyone besides Kerley says that Russell is Canton bound.
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  • I've learned one thing after reading this post front to back, It's impossible to argue with the Hasseljokers,,They have Hasselbeck on a pedestal, and don't want any exhuberence from the RW fans to topple him.

    I'm going to enjoy what RW has accomplished in his Rookie outing so far, and I won't allow the locked in Hasselbeck fans to try'n keep me from comparing Wilson with whomever I choose.
    Matt Hasselbeck was surrounded by a HOF type O-line, and RB/FB, and QB Coaching to make him a good Seahawks QB, and other than Lynch, Wilson has been working with FAR LESS to prop up his numbers.
    Is he a HOF'r in the making?, I don't know, but where is it written that we don't have the right to believe he could be.
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  • I love Hass. He's probably my favorite Seahawk of all time. But he's not going to the HOF and let's face it, RW probably is.
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  • Russell Wilson is going to Canton one day.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:Is he a HOF'r in the making?, I don't know, but where is it written that we don't have the right to believe he could be.

    Bingo.
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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Russell Wilson is going to Canton one day.


    He'll probably go for Walt's induction just to get a feel for what it'll be like for him in 23 years.
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  • Is Russell Wilson the greatest Seahawk of all time? Who knows. Nobody can say for sure. I'd say it's probable at this point. Like maybe 97%.
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  • I can say that he's already the greatest ROOKIE QB in franchise history.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Being excited is one thing, getting his face tattooed on your butt is another.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.

    Zeb, we have already been over this. You have to be excited just the right amount.

    Maybe if you ask nicely, Lymon and Hasselbeck will proofread all your posts, and they can check them for the proper amount of excitement.


    Is this a personal attack? I mean G-D forbid someone might have a different view than you! If you don't like what I write, don't read my posts...simple.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:I love Hass. He's probably my favorite Seahawk of all time. But he's not going to the HOF and let's face it, RW probably is.


    He's likely already there based off this historic 6-5 start to his career.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Ignore trolls and they go away.


    Aren't you the guy who questioned my fandom?

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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Ignore trolls and they go away.


    Aren't you the guy who questioned my fandom?

    I have two words for you....Carson Palmer.


    And we have NO interest in Peyton Manning.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Being excited is one thing, getting his face tattooed on your butt is another.


    Are you saying I shouldn't have gotten the tattoo?
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:Is Russell Wilson the greatest Seahawk of all time? Who knows. Nobody can say for sure. I'd say it's probable at this point. Like maybe 97%.


    Post of the day.

    I take back what I said about ignoring the trolls... clearly it's better to rip the piss out of them instead.
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  • I love Zeb to the point of thinking of............no, can't do it.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Being excited is one thing, getting his face tattooed on your butt is another.


    Are you saying I shouldn't have gotten the tattoo?


    I don't care that you got the tattoo, but I'd rather not see it pasted on the forum.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
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    LymonHawk wrote:[quote="Zebulon Dak"]He's performing admirably, especially for a rookie. No reason not to be excited about that.


    Being excited is one thing, getting his face tattooed on your butt is another.


    Are you saying I shouldn't have gotten the tattoo?


    I don't care that you got the tattoo, but I'd rather not see it pasted on the forum.[/quote]

    Come on LymonHawk, you show your ass around here often enough. Why can't he?
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